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Re: A možda ipak ...
Peter Daszak
e ovaj lik je premazan svim mastima. imam ga na nišanu već neko vrijeme i sve više i više mi je sumnjiv.
upišeš u google tražilicu Peter Daszak i odmah on na prvoj stranici njegov twitter profil i nakon toga njegovih zilion stranica u kojima apsolutno negira da je virus izletio iz labosa i obrušava se na sve one koji imaju drukčije mišljenje.
zanimljiv doktor:
Peter Daszak
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Mar 26
Absolutely spectacular. Dense, witty, deep...and just a little bit sick, if you don’t mind. Weirdly this brings a smile to my face as the plague rages quietly outside. I doff my cap to
@EcoHealthNYC
’s resident Pandemick Poet!
https://twitter.com/PeterDaszak/status/1243002682593488896
e ovaj lik je premazan svim mastima. imam ga na nišanu već neko vrijeme i sve više i više mi je sumnjiv.
upišeš u google tražilicu Peter Daszak i odmah on na prvoj stranici njegov twitter profil i nakon toga njegovih zilion stranica u kojima apsolutno negira da je virus izletio iz labosa i obrušava se na sve one koji imaju drukčije mišljenje.
zanimljiv doktor:
Peter Daszak
@PeterDaszak
·
Mar 26
Absolutely spectacular. Dense, witty, deep...and just a little bit sick, if you don’t mind. Weirdly this brings a smile to my face as the plague rages quietly outside. I doff my cap to
@EcoHealthNYC
’s resident Pandemick Poet!
https://twitter.com/PeterDaszak/status/1243002682593488896
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Re: A možda ipak ...
iz laboratorija ne može "pobjeći" jer je sustav zaštite takav da sve krepa prije nego dođe do drugih vratiju. može ga se samo pustiti van.
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veber wrote:iz laboratorija ne može "pobjeći" jer je sustav zaštite takav da sve krepa prije nego dođe do drugih vratiju. može ga se samo pustiti van.
ajd da to napiše neki bauštelac, ali ti???? ti???!!! ti koji si strojar radiš na CNC strojevima???
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dajte obratite pažnju na ovog doktora kojeg sam zalijepio. lik piše poeziju o virusu i o pandemiji kao Neron kad je zapalio Rim.
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pa postavljali smo automate za kontrolu kvalitete u coca-coli. u laboratorij ulaziš kroz tri nepropusne komore gdje te ozrače, osvjetle i pošpricaju.Gnječ wrote:veber wrote:iz laboratorija ne može "pobjeći" jer je sustav zaštite takav da sve krepa prije nego dođe do drugih vratiju. može ga se samo pustiti van.
ajd da to napiše neki bauštelac, ali ti???? ti???!!! ti koji si strojar radiš na CNC strojevima???
bio sam u zg na pmf-u u laboratoriju gore na mirogoju ista stvar. svi opasni spojevi istražuju se u hermetičkim prostorijama s nad tlakom i zrak koji ide van se ozračuje i na kraju s UV zrakama opizdi prije puštanja u atmosferu.
većina istraživača ima problem s plodnošću jer su stalno ozračeni.
tako je barem u coca-coli schweinfurt i pmf zagreb, mali uzorak ali potpuno različite grane.
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tip je idiot, kao i svi koji vele da za prvi maj idemo na bažul u maksimir.Gnječ wrote:dajte obratite pažnju na ovog doktora kojeg sam zalijepio. lik piše poeziju o virusu i o pandemiji kao Neron kad je zapalio Rim.
(inače neron nije zapalio rim jer je bio 50km dalje u svojoj vili)
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veber wrote:tip je idiot, kao i svi koji vele da za prvi maj idemo na bažul u maksimir.Gnječ wrote:dajte obratite pažnju na ovog doktora kojeg sam zalijepio. lik piše poeziju o virusu i o pandemiji kao Neron kad je zapalio Rim.
(inače neron nije zapalio rim jer je bio 50km dalje u svojoj vili)
tip je velika zvjerka. radio je na razvijanju i proizvodnji ovog virusa u Bio labu u Wuhanu.
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Hundreds of bats culled in Indonesia to 'prevent spread' of the coronavirus
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eto pomislim da ljudi nemogu niže i debilnije i svaki puta me iznenade svojim debilizmom.
jebote ići masovno ubijati šišmiše????? tek sada su u jebenom problemu sjebat će ih kukci koji će se namnožiti toliko da se Sunce neće vidjeti.
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a kaj se čudiš?Gnječ wrote:
Hundreds of bats culled in Indonesia to 'prevent spread' of the coronavirus
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eto pomislim da ljudi nemogu niže i debilnije i svaki puta me iznenade svojim debilizmom.
jebote ići masovno ubijati šišmiše????? tek sada su u jebenom problemu sjebat će ih kukci koji će se namnožiti toliko da se Sunce neće vidjeti.
ti, miha, vili hitate podatke i u krajnjoj liniji tv,internet,radio donosi o opasnostima, a onda s druge strane imamo još veću ekipu koja bulazni da će već za prvi maj na bažul i da će sezona procvast.
možda misle na 2023ću...
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veber wrote:a kaj se čudiš?Gnječ wrote:
Hundreds of bats culled in Indonesia to 'prevent spread' of the coronavirus
---
eto pomislim da ljudi nemogu niže i debilnije i svaki puta me iznenade svojim debilizmom.
jebote ići masovno ubijati šišmiše????? tek sada su u jebenom problemu sjebat će ih kukci koji će se namnožiti toliko da se Sunce neće vidjeti.
ti, miha, vili hitate podatke i u krajnjoj liniji tv,internet,radio donosi o opasnostima, a onda s druge strane imamo još veću ekipu koja bulazni da će već za prvi maj na bažul i da će sezona procvast.
možda misle na 2023ću...
ja nikada nisam rekao, napisao i tvrdio da ovaj virus dolazi od šišmiša nego tvrdim svo ovo vrijeme da je ovaj virus napravljen u labosu. sad da li je pušten van namjerno ili slučajno o tome se može samo špekulirati.
ali WHO i svi "renomirani" svjecki "stručnjaci" rezolutno odbacuju takvu mogućnost i svuda po svim medijima uporno drobe da je virus skočio sa šišmiša na ljude bez posrednika. eto ako šišmiši izumru bit će krivi "renomirani belosvetski stručnjaci".
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Gnječ wrote:Peter Daszak
e ovaj lik je premazan svim mastima. imam ga na nišanu već neko vrijeme i sve više i više mi je sumnjiv.
upišeš u google tražilicu Peter Daszak i odmah on na prvoj stranici njegov twitter profil i nakon toga njegovih zilion stranica u kojima apsolutno negira da je virus izletio iz labosa i obrušava se na sve one koji imaju drukčije mišljenje.
zanimljiv doktor:
Peter Daszak
@PeterDaszak
·
Mar 26
Absolutely spectacular. Dense, witty, deep...and just a little bit sick, if you don’t mind. Weirdly this brings a smile to my face as the plague rages quietly outside. I doff my cap to
@EcoHealthNYC
’s resident Pandemick Poet!
https://twitter.com/PeterDaszak/status/1243002682593488896
https://gmne.net/2019/01/strasan-posao-srednjovjekovnih-doktora-koji-su-lijecili-kugu/
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Re: A možda ipak ...
Noor wrote:Gnječ wrote:Peter Daszak
e ovaj lik je premazan svim mastima. imam ga na nišanu već neko vrijeme i sve više i više mi je sumnjiv.
upišeš u google tražilicu Peter Daszak i odmah on na prvoj stranici njegov twitter profil i nakon toga njegovih zilion stranica u kojima apsolutno negira da je virus izletio iz labosa i obrušava se na sve one koji imaju drukčije mišljenje.
zanimljiv doktor:
Peter Daszak
@PeterDaszak
·
Mar 26
Absolutely spectacular. Dense, witty, deep...and just a little bit sick, if you don’t mind. Weirdly this brings a smile to my face as the plague rages quietly outside. I doff my cap to
@EcoHealthNYC
’s resident Pandemick Poet!
https://twitter.com/PeterDaszak/status/1243002682593488896
https://gmne.net/2019/01/strasan-posao-srednjovjekovnih-doktora-koji-su-lijecili-kugu/
Absolutely spectacular. Dense, witty, deep...and just a little bit sick, if you don’t mind. Weirdly this brings a smile to my face as the plague rages quietly outside.
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Re: A možda ipak ...
nisam uopće govorio o početku, što je sada nebitno. da li šišmiš ili čovjek.Gnječ wrote:veber wrote:a kaj se čudiš?Gnječ wrote:
Hundreds of bats culled in Indonesia to 'prevent spread' of the coronavirus
---
eto pomislim da ljudi nemogu niže i debilnije i svaki puta me iznenade svojim debilizmom.
jebote ići masovno ubijati šišmiše????? tek sada su u jebenom problemu sjebat će ih kukci koji će se namnožiti toliko da se Sunce neće vidjeti.
ti, miha, vili hitate podatke i u krajnjoj liniji tv,internet,radio donosi o opasnostima, a onda s druge strane imamo još veću ekipu koja bulazni da će već za prvi maj na bažul i da će sezona procvast.
možda misle na 2023ću...
ja nikada nisam rekao, napisao i tvrdio da ovaj virus dolazi od šišmiša nego tvrdim svo ovo vrijeme da je ovaj virus napravljen u labosu. sad da li je pušten van namjerno ili slučajno o tome se može samo špekulirati.
ali WHO i svi "renomirani" svjecki "stručnjaci" rezolutno odbacuju takvu mogućnost i svuda po svim medijima uporno drobe da je virus skočio sa šišmiša na ljude bez posrednika. eto ako šišmiši izumru bit će krivi "renomirani belosvetski stručnjaci".
govorim o posljedicama koje neki ne"vide" i bulazne o turizmu i spašavanju sezone. ovdje na forumu a i neki političari.
kolega ero se isto pogubio pa bulazni o 20om 4om kao kraju, pa je sada pomaknuo na kraj travnja.
mene nijemci obavjestili da će mi javiti u lipnju kaj bumo dalje. znači realno do rujna nikaj, a možda ni do kraja godine.
radit će neophodne službe.
možda se varam...
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veber wrote:
nisam uopće govorio o početku, što je sada nebitno. da li šišmiš ili čovjek.
govorim o posljedicama koje neki ne"vide" i bulazne o turizmu i spašavanju sezone. ovdje na forumu a i neki političari.
kolega ero se isto pogubio pa bulazni o 20om 4om kao kraju, pa je sada pomaknuo na kraj travnja.
mene nijemci obavjestili da će mi javiti u lipnju kaj bumo dalje. znači realno do rujna nikaj, a možda ni do kraja godine.
radit će neophodne službe.
možda se varam...
bitno je odakle se taj virus stvorio. to je najbitnije jer ako se nezna izvor zaraze postoji mogućnost da se ponovno dogodi neka epidemija nekim drugim virusom.
nemoj da te ova ekipa koja je smislila tu igru zavara i podmeće da je virus došao iz prirode sako da bi nametnuli svoju agendu. u tajnosti napraviš problem, za taj problem optužiš prirodu, pa kažeš ljudima ja ću vam riješiti taj problem ako budete poslušni i radili žto vam se kaže. ako budete dobri neće biti zaraza ako ne za mjesec dana imat ćete još zaraza jer priroda je puna patogenih virusa...
a ovi turistički šljakeri očito su zaboravili kad je buknula pandemija AIDS-a nije bilo nekoliko sezona ništa prometa.
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nish prirodno od viruza se ovak one ponasa...niti jedan do sada nije imao mogucnost virulentnosti,prije pojave simptoma..tu stajem,i ovo je previse za neke ugnjile mozgove..
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MUST READ! Research Reveals That COVID-19 Attacks Hemoglobin In Red Blood Cells, Rendering It Incapable Of Transporting Oxygen. Current Medical Protocols Could All Be Wrong!
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/must-read-research-reveals-that-covid-19-attacks-hemoglobin-in-red-blood-cells,-rendering-it-incapable-of-transporting-oxygen--current-medical-protoco
COVID-19 Research: Findings from a new study released by Chinese researchers , Dr Wenzhong Liu from Sichuan University and Dr Hualan Li from Yibin University has revealed that the Sars-CoV-2 coronavirus attacks hemoglobin in the the red blood cells through a series of cellular actions, that ultimately renders the red blood cells incapable of transporting oxygen.
LINK
https://chemrxiv.org/articles/COVID-19_Disease_ORF8_and_Surface_Glycoprotein_Inhibit_Heme_Metabolism_by_Binding_to_Porphyrin/11938173
Though the virus is able to attack the ACE2 receptors in the lung tissues and cause damage and also while cytokine storms are creating more damage, it is most probability of the body’s inability get enough oxygen along with carbon dioxide build up that is creating the so called ARDS symptoms and stress and current protocols could be all wrong including the usage of ventilators in a non-proper manner way that could actually aggravate already ‘injured’ and inflamed lungs.
Red blood cells are critical oxygen carriers to the various cells in the body. Inside the red blood cells is a molecule called hemoglobin that contains heme groups. Each of these heme groups is molecular “ring” (porphyrin) that holds an Iron ion or FE ion. It is the FE ions that helps to transport oxygen in the bloodstream depending on states of oxidation.
Typically the red blood cells pick up oxygen from the lungs to transport to other parts of the bodies.
Once inside a human host cell, the virus’s RNA also codes for a number of non-structural proteins that are created during the replication process. These proteins are not part of the virus itself but helps the virus to ‘hijack” other cellularpath ways or actions to facilate its survival in the host.
The research discovered that some of these proteins are to hijack the red blod cells and remove the Iron ions from the heme groups (HBB) and replace themselves with it. This makes the hemoglobin unable to transport oxygen.
As a result the lungs are stressed out and inflamed while the rest of the organs are also being affected. The so called ARDS and subsequent organ failure could be attributed to this.
It was also suggested by another virologists that perhaps the coronavirus does not produce these proteins in the early stages of infection but will do so as a certain threshold is reached and only then the proteins ORF8,ORF1ab, ORF10, and ORF3a are produced.
This could explains the observation made by various ER docs (incl this one in New Orleans) that patients tend to have elevated ferritin. Typically ferritin is used to store excess iron. If a lot of iron is 'pushed' out of heme groups and circulating around, the body produces more ferritin.
Many ER and ICU doctors are now questioning treatment protocols and also questioning the usage of ventilators in certain cases.
Though the study has not been peer-reviewed, many ER doctors are indicating that certain clinical observations tally with the study .
An interesting video to watch is by an ER doctor in New York.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9GYTc53r2o&feature=youtu.be
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/must-read-research-reveals-that-covid-19-attacks-hemoglobin-in-red-blood-cells,-rendering-it-incapable-of-transporting-oxygen--current-medical-protoco
COVID-19 Research: Findings from a new study released by Chinese researchers , Dr Wenzhong Liu from Sichuan University and Dr Hualan Li from Yibin University has revealed that the Sars-CoV-2 coronavirus attacks hemoglobin in the the red blood cells through a series of cellular actions, that ultimately renders the red blood cells incapable of transporting oxygen.
LINK
https://chemrxiv.org/articles/COVID-19_Disease_ORF8_and_Surface_Glycoprotein_Inhibit_Heme_Metabolism_by_Binding_to_Porphyrin/11938173
Though the virus is able to attack the ACE2 receptors in the lung tissues and cause damage and also while cytokine storms are creating more damage, it is most probability of the body’s inability get enough oxygen along with carbon dioxide build up that is creating the so called ARDS symptoms and stress and current protocols could be all wrong including the usage of ventilators in a non-proper manner way that could actually aggravate already ‘injured’ and inflamed lungs.
Red blood cells are critical oxygen carriers to the various cells in the body. Inside the red blood cells is a molecule called hemoglobin that contains heme groups. Each of these heme groups is molecular “ring” (porphyrin) that holds an Iron ion or FE ion. It is the FE ions that helps to transport oxygen in the bloodstream depending on states of oxidation.
Typically the red blood cells pick up oxygen from the lungs to transport to other parts of the bodies.
Once inside a human host cell, the virus’s RNA also codes for a number of non-structural proteins that are created during the replication process. These proteins are not part of the virus itself but helps the virus to ‘hijack” other cellularpath ways or actions to facilate its survival in the host.
The research discovered that some of these proteins are to hijack the red blod cells and remove the Iron ions from the heme groups (HBB) and replace themselves with it. This makes the hemoglobin unable to transport oxygen.
As a result the lungs are stressed out and inflamed while the rest of the organs are also being affected. The so called ARDS and subsequent organ failure could be attributed to this.
It was also suggested by another virologists that perhaps the coronavirus does not produce these proteins in the early stages of infection but will do so as a certain threshold is reached and only then the proteins ORF8,ORF1ab, ORF10, and ORF3a are produced.
This could explains the observation made by various ER docs (incl this one in New Orleans) that patients tend to have elevated ferritin. Typically ferritin is used to store excess iron. If a lot of iron is 'pushed' out of heme groups and circulating around, the body produces more ferritin.
Many ER and ICU doctors are now questioning treatment protocols and also questioning the usage of ventilators in certain cases.
Though the study has not been peer-reviewed, many ER doctors are indicating that certain clinical observations tally with the study .
An interesting video to watch is by an ER doctor in New York.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9GYTc53r2o&feature=youtu.be
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Re: A možda ipak ...
sad još i hipoksija. ljudi umiru od hipoksije znači lijek protiv malarije djeluje jer se i parazit malarije hrani hemoglobinom. znači lijek protiv malarije i transfuzija plus kisik
zato je ovo sad:
Why the world is hungry for a drug made in India
Hydroxychloroquine is an anti-malarial drug produced mostly in India, and pushed by US President Trump as a COVID-19 treatment, despite limited clinical evidence it is effective. Now other countries have joined the hype.
https://www.dw.com/en/why-the-world-is-hungry-for-a-drug-made-in-india/a-53077879
zato je ovo sad:
Why the world is hungry for a drug made in India
Hydroxychloroquine is an anti-malarial drug produced mostly in India, and pushed by US President Trump as a COVID-19 treatment, despite limited clinical evidence it is effective. Now other countries have joined the hype.
https://www.dw.com/en/why-the-world-is-hungry-for-a-drug-made-in-india/a-53077879
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jel vidiš ti brojeve, Gnječ... izgleda da ipak ide ona ekstremno loša projekcija...Gnječ wrote:sad još i hipoksija. ljudi umiru od hipoksije znači lijek protiv malarije djeluje jer se i parazit malarije hrani hemoglobinom. znači lijek protiv malarije i transfuzija plus kisik
zato je ovo sad:
Why the world is hungry for a drug made in India
Hydroxychloroquine is an anti-malarial drug produced mostly in India, and pushed by US President Trump as a COVID-19 treatment, despite limited clinical evidence it is effective. Now other countries have joined the hype.
https://www.dw.com/en/why-the-world-is-hungry-for-a-drug-made-in-india/a-53077879
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Re: A možda ipak ...
michaellcmacha wrote:jel vidiš ti brojeve, Gnječ... izgleda da ipak ide ona ekstremno loša projekcija...Gnječ wrote:sad još i hipoksija. ljudi umiru od hipoksije znači lijek protiv malarije djeluje jer se i parazit malarije hrani hemoglobinom. znači lijek protiv malarije i transfuzija plus kisik
zato je ovo sad:
Why the world is hungry for a drug made in India
Hydroxychloroquine is an anti-malarial drug produced mostly in India, and pushed by US President Trump as a COVID-19 treatment, despite limited clinical evidence it is effective. Now other countries have joined the hype.
https://www.dw.com/en/why-the-world-is-hungry-for-a-drug-made-in-india/a-53077879
nažalost. ali uspoređujući krivulje pandemije SARS-a 2003.-4. godine bila su dva špica prvi manji špic a nakon toga je pad pa nagli visoki špic.
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ukoliko ovaj galop nastavi u USA, i ako francuska poludi, i potom kad njemačka ne bude u stanju prilagođavati metodologiju predstavljanja statističkih podataka i kad ove blentave zemlje uključujući i nas povećaju broj testiranih brojevi će odljepiti do bola... ali i samo ovih troje prvo spomenutih plus italija, španjolska a evo sad i ukrajina i rumunjska u nadolasku... će za 7 dana ovo učiniti psihološki sve manje podnošljivim...to će generirati dnevni priljev od preko 300 000 oboljelih dnevno... plus sitna boranija eto nas na praznik rada dnevno na pol milijuna...
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