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Post by kaya 28/3/2020, 21:22

dakle, ovo je drugi pogled, sličan još nekima poznatim stručnjacima u toj specijalizaciji. 
ukratko, misli da su u strahu skočili na njih respiratorima i teškom artiljerijom medicine i zapravo ih time ubili. barem one mlađe a stariji ne mogu podnjeti ni veću prehladu i tako, rijetko, njima odmah udari na pluća...
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Post by mutava baštarda 28/3/2020, 21:53

Ako se dr zabije u stup od struje pri brzini od 130 km/h ili se pokliže i padne s balkona svog stana na desetom katu onda će imati jaču snagu ono što je rekao....

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Post by debotoijusto 28/3/2020, 21:58

kaya wrote:dakle, ovo je drugi pogled, sličan još nekima poznatim stručnjacima u toj specijalizaciji. 
ukratko, misli da su u strahu skočili na njih respiratorima i teškom artiljerijom medicine i zapravo ih time ubili. barem one mlađe a stariji ne mogu podnjeti ni veću prehladu i tako, rijetko, njima odmah udari na pluća...
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kaya wrote:dakle, ovo je drugi pogled, sličan još nekima poznatim stručnjacima u toj specijalizaciji. 
ukratko, misli da su u strahu skočili na njih respiratorima i teškom artiljerijom medicine i zapravo ih time ubili. barem one mlađe a stariji ne mogu podnjeti ni veću prehladu i tako, rijetko, njima odmah udari na pluća...

da, samo što je ovo novi tip virusa pa su i liječnici u neznanju šta napraviti. kad ti grune par tisuća ljudi odjednom stvari postanu frkovite neznam baš da li bi se itko snašao šta učiniti. ja ne tvrdim da u svemu tome nema i slučajeva gripe tipa A koja je jako virulentna i opasna ali hajd se ti snađi odmah. a moraš donijeti odluku odmah pronto a ne nakon vikenda pa da malo razmislimo šta bi moglo biti a pacijenti se guše itd.

gripa 2017-2018 je bila hardcore opaka ali umiralo je i jako puno djece što ovdje nije slučaj.

The 2017-2018 influenza season in the United States was one of the most severe in recent memory. High rates of flu occurred all over the country simultaneously, in contrast to most seasons of the past decade, when certain states would peak with flu activity while others remained relatively quiet (see Chart). This sustained and widespread high level of flu activity resulted in a jump in hospitalizations. Death rates were highest in the over-65 age group, which is typical, but the second most affected group comprised those aged 50 to 64 years old; normally, the second highest death rates occur in children, from birth through age 4 years.1 The ferociousness of the flu season overall, combined with above-average impacts on younger baby boomers, made 2017-2018 one for the record books.

“It was certainly a severe season,” Anthony Fauci, MD, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told Contagion®. “Within the past 10 years, not counting the H1N1 (swine flu) pandemic of 2009, and just looking at seasonal influenzas, there’s no doubt that this has been the worst season we’ve had in the last decade.” According to data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), flu seasons that are considered serious typically occur when influenza A (H3N2) is especially prevalent, as it was this year. During a serious season, there can be up to 35 million cases of flu, with 700,000 hospitalizations and 56,000 fatalities.

Part of the problem is that receiving the seasonal flu vaccine is far from a guarantee of avoiding the flu. Unlike with vaccines against diseases such as measles and polio, which offer 100% protection, getting a seasonal flu shot gives you a better chance of not contracting the flu or of having a less severe case if you do contract it.

“This year’s interim overall vaccine effectiveness against both influenza A and B viruses was 36%,” said CDC spokesperson Kristin Nordlund. “That means a vaccinated person’s risk of having to go to the doctor because of an influenza illness was reduced by more than a third. The vaccination effectiveness against H3N2 viruses was 25%, 67% against H1N1, and 42% against influenza B viruses.” Nordlund said these numbers are in line with those of past seasons, when effectiveness of the vaccination against H3N2 viruses was roughly 30%. Against H1N1 and influenza B viruses, it’s been 50% to 60% effective.

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Post by Leviathan2 28/3/2020, 23:12

sta je kayo, odjedared ne vjerujes medicini
disi duboko, vakserica
tik tok :D

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Post by kaya 29/3/2020, 11:33

Leviathan2 wrote:sta je kayo, odjedared ne vjerujes medicini
disi duboko, vakserica
tik tok :D
Vjerujem, pa ovo govori doktor.
Al ne vjerujem da je teška artiljerija medicine uvijek najbolja.
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Post by danni1 29/3/2020, 11:50

kaya wrote:
Leviathan2 wrote:sta je kayo, odjedared ne vjerujes medicini
disi duboko, vakserica
tik tok :D
Vjerujem, pa ovo govori doktor.
Al ne vjerujem da je teška artiljerija medicine uvijek najbolja.
Ima puno znanstvenika koji govore da je zemlja stara tek nekih par tisuća godina.

Da je sve to stvorio Bog i dasvime upravlja.

Samo treba izabrat znanstvenika i doktora koji paše tvom viđenju stvari i sve će bit OK.

Meni je trenutno srpski Dr Nestorović zakon.

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Post by T. 29/3/2020, 18:08

– Muče me ovi podaci o smrtnosti Talijana od coronavirusa.

Danas je umrlo rekordnih 919.

Prije nego sto je nastala corona, npr. u cijeloj 2018 god. u Italiji je umrlo cca 647.000 osoba. U prosjeku, 1770 na dan.

Sada samo od corone umire 919 dnevno.

Znači li to da sada, u prosjeku, u Italiji umire 2. 689 svakoga dana?

Ili se smrti od srca, vena, raka, aidsa, gripe, upale pluća itd, dobrim dijelom, u ovoj konfuziji i dezinformiranosti, pripisuju coronavirusu?

Jer, čudno je da talijanskoj statističkoj službi do sada nije postalo relevantno da usporedi ukupnu smrtnost npr. u ožujku 2018. sa ožujkom 2020.

Pitanje je jasno, umire li sada 919 Talijana vise dnevno, ili je naglo opala smrtnost drugih bolesti?

Uopće ne sumnjam na neke teorije urote, samo bih volio biti nešto blize spoznaji koliko je smrti od tradicionalnih bolesti, koliko od starosti, a koliko od korone…? – zapisao je Goran Milić u svom FB postu.

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Post by Guest 29/3/2020, 18:10

919 vise..snovna mathematika..niti ljuid nisu postali zdraviji,niti se sto posebno dogodilo na produzenju vijeka zivota..
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Post by Leviathan2 29/3/2020, 18:41

kaya wrote:
Leviathan2 wrote:sta je kayo, odjedared ne vjerujes medicini
disi duboko, vakserica
tik tok :D
Vjerujem, pa ovo govori doktor.
Al ne vjerujem da je teška artiljerija medicine uvijek najbolja.
moras razumjeti da nije  sve sto rade medicinari ispravnoipak su oni nauceni i iz korica se tesko izlazi,  plus strah od kazne ako ne postupe kako su ih naucili
inace u cjeloj ovoj prici se krenulo teskom artiljerijom a niko ne racuna na osnovnu, imunitet ljudi i kako ga razviti
a hrpa tih medicinskih preparata ubija prirodni imunitet
znas sto mi je rekao doktor, kirurg kad sam imao zdrobljen zglob, ja se zalih na bolove a on ce meni, pusti nek boli, nek tijelo reagira kako treba, prirodno je da tijelo i organizam krenu na oporavak onog dijela gdje boli
ako se nakrcas preparatima protiv bolova, tijelo nece reagirat pravilno i ostat ce ti posljedice (nema veze s virusima al je pouka)
a sef kirurgije mi je rekao za razliku od njega da cu hramat cjeli zivot, a ovaj mi rekao svoje i jos mi zabranio bilo kakve terapije rjecima, kad osjetis da mozes stati tek onda stani na nogu, do tad ni mislit, jebes njh pametnjakovice
eo proslo 20 godina, kao da nikad nisam imao zdrobljen zglob, nit hramam nit osjecam bolove ni promjene vremena, trcim ko zec , skacem ko divokoza
a ovi strucnjaci koje citam po netu, 90% njih nema pojma o cemu pricaju al svi su pametni u 3pickematerine
znas li samo koliko su stetni oni inhibitori za tlak recimo koju starcad koristi masovnjak, il najobicniji primjer je ono umjetno sladilo koje masa zdravijeh ljudi koristi iz straha od dijabetesa

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a možda ipak...da ipak iskoristite ovu nepogodu pa štogod i naučite a ne da paničarite i brojite mrtve kao da je utakmica???

recimo odakle je taj virus ispalio? jel zaista ispalio iz prirode i društva ili iz kemijskog kabineta?

vidim da se vlasti i "znanstvenici enormno troše i trude demantirati svaku pomisao da je virus nastao genetičkim inžinjeringom u laboratoriju toliko puno se trude to demantirati da postaju i sami sumnjivi u svoju priču koju moraju ponavljati po direktivi.
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Synthetic virology

Synthetic virology is a branch of virology engaged in the study and engineering of synthetic man-made viruses. It is a multidisciplinary research field at the intersection of virology, synthetic biology, computational biology, and DNA nanotechnology, from which it borrows and integrates its concepts and methodologies. There is a wide range of applications for synthetic viral technology such as medical treatments, investigative tools, and reviving organisms.

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Post by Eroo 29/3/2020, 18:54

Gnječ wrote:a možda ipak...da ipak iskoristite ovu nepogodu pa štogod i naučite a ne da paničarite i brojite mrtve kao da je utakmica???

recimo odakle je taj virus ispalio? jel zaista ispalio iz prirode i društva ili iz kemijskog kabineta?

vidim da se vlasti i "znanstvenici enormno troše i trude demantirati svaku pomisao da je virus nastao genetičkim inžinjeringom u laboratoriju toliko puno se trude to demantirati da postaju i sami sumnjivi u svoju priču koju moraju ponavljati po direktivi.
Nisi još pobiga u Ercegovinu?
Veliš krepat ma ne molat. :D

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Post by kaya 29/3/2020, 18:57

Gnječ wrote:a možda ipak...da ipak iskoristite ovu nepogodu pa štogod i naučite a ne da paničarite i brojite mrtve kao da je utakmica???

recimo odakle je taj virus ispalio? jel zaista ispalio iz prirode i društva ili iz kemijskog kabineta?

vidim da se vlasti i "znanstvenici enormno troše i trude demantirati svaku pomisao da je virus nastao genetičkim inžinjeringom u laboratoriju toliko puno se trude to demantirati da postaju i sami sumnjivi u svoju priču koju moraju ponavljati po direktivi.
A nećemo saznati nikad i tako, pa..
Ja sam sklonija vjerovati da su poždrali krivog šišmiša..
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Post by Guest 29/3/2020, 19:00

da li cjepiva ima ili nema treba samo malo prosurfati po online patentnom uredu:

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6 US20080069830 Dna Sequences, Peptides, Antibodies and Vaccines for Prevention and Treatment of Sars
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Post by danni1 29/3/2020, 19:07

Gnječ wrote:a možda ipak...da ipak iskoristite ovu nepogodu pa štogod i naučite a ne da paničarite i brojite mrtve kao da je utakmica???

recimo odakle je taj virus ispalio? jel zaista ispalio iz prirode i društva ili iz kemijskog kabineta?

vidim da se vlasti i "znanstvenici enormno troše i trude demantirati svaku pomisao da je virus nastao genetičkim inžinjeringom u laboratoriju toliko puno se trude to demantirati da postaju i sami sumnjivi u svoju priču koju moraju ponavljati po direktivi
Eto. Baš za to me puno boli kurac jel virus napravio Kinez il Bog.

Ko ga je napravio to će nam puno pomoć.

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Post by Šandor Winnetou 29/3/2020, 19:08

Legendovich wrote:919 vise..snovna mathematika..niti ljuid nisu postali zdraviji,niti se sto posebno dogodilo na produzenju vijeka zivota..
odakle ti ideja da od korone umiru samo oni koji nisu trebali umrjeti pa je zato 919 više umrlih?

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kaya wrote:
Gnječ wrote:a možda ipak...da ipak iskoristite ovu nepogodu pa štogod i naučite a ne da paničarite i brojite mrtve kao da je utakmica???

recimo odakle je taj virus ispalio? jel zaista ispalio iz prirode i društva ili iz kemijskog kabineta?

vidim da se vlasti i "znanstvenici enormno troše i trude demantirati svaku pomisao da je virus nastao genetičkim inžinjeringom u laboratoriju toliko puno se trude to demantirati da postaju i sami sumnjivi u svoju priču koju moraju ponavljati po direktivi.
A nećemo saznati nikad i tako, pa..
Ja sam sklonija vjerovati da su poždrali krivog šišmiša..

nećemo saznati nikad vjerojatnije je to. ali onda ni svi ti naučnici nemaju dokaz da je virus došao iz prirode direktno ili postredno na čovjeka jer nemogu otkriti izvor. šta god da pokušali uvijek stanu kad "otkriju" da taj virus ima u sebi nešto sintetičkog materijala. pa je onda khm khm znate mi neznamo ali mi smo autoriteti i morate nam vjerovati na riječ kao i Papi u Vatikanu.

pipl mast trast as.

a ja ću ti ovdje staviti link i linkove gdje on line shoppingom možeš naručiti i kupiti nekoliko desetaka tisuća raznih visoko patogenih virusa koji su svi man-made znači sintetički virusi, klonovi nazovi kako hoćeš iskonstruirani iz temelja u laboratoriju.. evo ima i taj coronavirus što sada hara ima ga već odavno on line za kupiti. sad ga ne moraš kupiti možeš ga i dobiti besplatno.
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danni1 wrote:
Gnječ wrote:a možda ipak...da ipak iskoristite ovu nepogodu pa štogod i naučite a ne da paničarite i brojite mrtve kao da je utakmica???

recimo odakle je taj virus ispalio? jel zaista ispalio iz prirode i društva ili iz kemijskog kabineta?

vidim da se vlasti i "znanstvenici enormno troše i trude demantirati svaku pomisao da je virus nastao genetičkim inžinjeringom u laboratoriju toliko puno se trude to demantirati da postaju i sami sumnjivi u svoju priču koju moraju ponavljati po direktivi
Eto. Baš za to me puno boli kurac jel virus napravio Kinez il Bog.

Ko ga je napravio to će nam puno pomoć.

pa pomoći će jer onda znaš s čime se boriš. shvaćaš? a možda i osvještavanje čitaj edukacija ljudi da je kloniranje, sintetiziranje i laboratorijska proizvodnja virusa svih vrsta koja je počela prije desetak godina jebeno smrtonosno rizična avantura koja može pomesti cijelo čovječanstvo na groblja.

ali tebe boli kurac.
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