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Post by RayMabus Mon 28 Mar - 7:01

Hitlerov progon Židova bio je neshvatljiv i nerazborit u svim zemljama pod njegovom dominacijom. Vjerovao je da mu Židovi smetaju u njegovoj borbi koju je iznio u svome poznatom djelu "Mein Kampf".
Tražio je odmah popis svih Židova u NDH. Budući da je i Pavelićeva žena bila dijelom židovskog podrijetla, on je osobno bio prijatelj Židovima koje je nastojao spašavati kako se onda moglo i znalo. Brojni Židovi su dobili dozvole da napuste NDH koja je bila pod posebnim pritiscima Hitlera kao novoosnovana država. Jedan dio Židova morao je biti u sabirnim logorima. Tako su Židovi u ratnom sabirnom logoru Jasenovcu, prema tvrdnjama hrvatskog komunističkog prvaka Ante Cilige, koji je prve dvije godine proveo u tom logoru, bili posebno poštovani i postavljani na sve najvažnije radne položaje u logoru Jasenovac koji je bio radni logor mnogih struka i zanimanja. I tek kada je 1943. godine u mjesecu rujnu došao osobno u Hrvatsku njemački ministar Heinrich Himmler bili su deportirani za Poljsku u točnome broju 4.972 Židova iz Jasenovca i drugih logora NDH. Sve drugo za što se optužuje Hrvate su jugokomunističke laži protiv NDH što potvrđuju i imena generala NDH židovskog podrijetla koje su na žalost komunisti likvidirali.
Ovo su imena tih generala NDH: 1. Ing. Hinko Alabanda, 2. Ladislav vitez Aleman, 3. Edgar Angeli, 4. Emanuel Balley, 5. Oton Ćuš, 6. Julio Frez, 7. Josip Kamberger, 8. Ferdinand pl. Halla, 9. Dragutin Heklbich, 10. Gjuro Isser, 11. Oskar Kirchbaum , 12. Rudolf Kraus-Tudić, 13. Rikard Kubin, 14. Josip vitez Metzger, 15. Milan Miesler, 16. dr. Milan pl. Alinstrepner, 17. Julio Resch, 18. Dragutin Rumler, 19 Julio Sach, 20. Julio Simonović, 21. Nikola vitez Steinfel, 22. Ivan Šarenbek, 23. Ivo vitez Šnur, 24. Josip Šolc, 25. Kvintijan Tartarglia, 26. Rudolf Wanner, 27. Mirko vitez Zgaga, 28. Božidar Zorn.
Njih 28 bilo židovskog podrijetla od 131 generala koliko ih je bilo u Hrvatskim oružanim snagama NDH.



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Post by RayMabus Mon 28 Mar - 7:09

...za koje se govori da su bili židovske vjere tj židovski generali u NDH

1. Alabanda inž. Hinko;
2. Aleman vitez Ladislav;
3. Angeli Edgar;
4. Balley Emanuel;
5. Cuš Oton;
6. Fritz Julijo;
7. Gamberger Josip;
8. Halla pl. Ferdinand;
9. Heilbich Dragutin;
10. Isser Ðuro;
11. Kirchbaum Oskar;
12. Kraus-Tudic Rudolf;
13. Kubin Rikard;
14. Metzger vitez Josip;
15. Miesler Milan;
16. Frauensperger pl. dr. Milan;
17. Resch Julio;
18. Rubler Dragutin;
19. Sach Julio;
20. Simovic Julio;
21. Steinfel vitez Nikola;
22. Šarnbek Ivan;
23. Šnur vitez Ivo;
24. Scholtz (Šolc) Josip;
25. Tartaglija Kvintijan;
26. Wanner Rudolf;
27. Zgaga vitez Mirko
28. Zorn Božidar

Naravno da ću staviti i ovo, što govori malo drukčije o njima:

1.Alabanda, inž. Hinko - Engineer of Technology, University of Ljubljana. He was retired as a Colonel of the NDH regular army in January 1944, and unhappy with this decision he joined the Ustaska vojnica. There is no evidence that he was actually promoted to General once the vojnica and regular armed forces of the NDH merged, though he carried the rank in emigration post-war. He was a Roman Catholic from the area of Zadar.

2. Aleman, vitez Ladislav - I have no indication that he was Jewish, though I find it unlikely. He was the Deputy Commander of the Zagreb garrison from February 1945 till the end of the war.

3. Angeli, Edgar - Not a General, but a Vice-Admiral. He was the commander of the NDH Navy from April 14, 1943 till his retirement on April 21, 1944. I have no indication that he was Jewish.

4. Balley, pl. Emanuel - Carried the rank of Colonel, not General. He was retired in October 1942. He comes from an aristocratic family (plemeniti), and I have no indication that he was Jewish.

5. ćuš, Oton - Retired in March 1944 due to his non-radical opinions regarding NDH state policies. No information on being Jewish.

6. Fritz, Julijo - His name was JulijE, not Julijo. Commanded the 10th Croatian Division as of April 1945. No indication that he was Jewish, but rather volksdeuthsch.

7. Gamberger, Josip - I have never heard of this person, and do not believe he was a general in the NDH.
08.44 Podpukovnik, CO of the II Motor Transport Battalion with HQ in Bosanski Brod. 01.45 PPuk., CO of a mobilization command in the III Corp area (possibly Sarajevo).

8. Halla, pl. Ferdinand - Also known as Ferdo Halla, he was NOT a general. The highst rank he attained was Colonel (glavnostozerni pukovnik).

9. Heilbich, Dragutin - The surname is spelled HELBICH. He was NOT a general, but a Colonel (glavnostozerni pukovnik).

10. Isser, Ðuro - Surname spelled ISER, his correct name is Juraj. Retired on January 5, 1944 as commander of the 2nd Domobran Corps (II domobranski zbor). No indication that he was Jewish.

11. Kirchbaum, Oskar - Volksdeutsch, not Jewish. Killed during the mutiny in the 13th "Handschar" Division training area in Villefranche-de-Rouerque on September 17, 1943 as an SS battalion commander.

12. Kraus-Tudiæ, Rudolf - I have no information on this person.

13. Kubin Rikard - I have no information on this person, but do not believe he was an NDH General.
06.11.42 Pukovnik, chief of the Judicial Investigation Branch in HQ MINDOM. 02.44 Puk., chief of the Technical Branch? of HQ MINORS (this is last assignment is probably wrong).

14. Metzger, vitez Josip (Josef) - Commanded the 4th Croatian Corps as of early 1945. Volksdeutsch.

15. Miesler, Milan - I have no information confirming that he was Jewish.

16. Prauensperger, pl. dr. Milan - Should be PRAUNSPERGER. Descended from an aristocratic family, doctor of law. Commander of the Legal Department of the NDH armed forces and Director of the Military Archives and NDH Museum until his retirement in 1944. I have no indicattion that he was of Jewish descent.

17. Resch, Julio - I have no information on this person.
REŠ (RESCH), Julije (Julio). 12.41 Podpukovnik, CO of the Koprivnica Garrison Command (and 04.42). 10.04.42 PPuk., appt CO of the Koprivnica Group (1st Bicycle Bn. and some local Ustasha and Gendarmerie) under the Kalnik Brigade for operations in the Kalnik Mountains. 01.05.43 PPuk., appt CO of the Paški Brigade in Karlobag/N Dalmatia (this may be Hinko Reš) (to c. 31.05.43). 07.43 PPuk., CO of Security Sector Kalnik-Bilo in Koprivnica. 11.43 PPuk., CO of the 10th Jäger Rgt. 07.44 Pukovnik, possibly acting CO of the 4th Jäger Brigade for a month or so. 02.08.44 Puk., KIA along the road between Bos. Novi and Zagreb when his car was ambushed by Partisans.

18. Rubler, Dragutin - Should be RUMLER. Liason officer of the NDH with the Italian II. Armata. Died of natural causes on May 16, 1944. No indication that he was Jewish.

19. Sach, Julio - Originally a naval officer in Austria-Hungary, he was commander of II. Protection Area (II. zastitnog podrucja) of the Territorial Defense (Narodna zastita) when he was killed in an air raid on April 21, 1944. He was possibly of Jewish descent. (1)

20. Simoviæ, Julio - I have no information on this person.

21. Steinfel, vitez Nikola - Not a General but an Admiral. Minister of the Armed Forces of the NDH as of August 30, 1944. No indication that he was of Jewish descent.

22. Šarnbek, Ivan - Served on the Eastern Front as a battalion commander of the 369th Regiment. Later commanded the 5th Infantry Regiment and the 6th Infantry Division. Retired in December 1944 as commander of the 2nd Reserve Regiment. No indication I am aware of that he was of Jewish descent.

23. Šnur, vitez Ivo - Real name Ivan. Post-humously promoted to General after dying of wounds sustained in battle on May 31, 1944 in the village of Spanovica. No indication that he was Jewish.

24. Scholtz (Šolc), Josip - Deputy commander of the 1st Croatian "Storm" Division. No indication that he was of Jewish descent.

25. Tartaglija, Kvintijan - Should be TARTAGLIA. It is my understanding that he was of Italian descent.
29.07.41 Gend? General, deputy CO of the Croatian Gendarmerie in Zagreb. His first name is questionable.

26. Wanner, Rudolf - Retired in November 1944 as Director of the Intelligence Department of the Ministry of the Armed Forces of the NDH. No indication that he was Jewish.

27. Zgaga, vitez Mirko - Post-humous promotion to General after his death in battle defending Gospic on October 9, 1943. Roman Catholic from Sibenik.

28. Zorn, Božidar - Commander of the 2nd Croatian Division as of April 21, 1945. Fate unknown. Born in Italy, but I have no information on his religion.
04.42 Pukovnik, appt CO of II Mountain Brigade (to 07.42). 01.08.43 Puk., appt CO of 2d Mountain Rgt. (and 10.43). 02.44 Puk., again CO of 2d Mountain Brigade (2d appt - to 01.45). 07.44 Puk., personally awarded the Eisernekreuz II. Klasse by SS-Obergruppenführer Phleps (V. SS-Geb.Korps); Phleps considered Zorn “one of the few worthwhile Croatian officers” (T-175 roll 120/845). c, 01.12.44 General, appt commanding general of the 9th Croatian Mountain Division (to 04.45).

With an endorsement like that from SS-Obergruppenführer und General der Waffen-SS Phleps, I strongly doubt if Zorn was Jewish!!
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E sad, ima li itko od vas njihove slike? Tražim ih već dosta dugo, i ništa :(
I jesu li uopće bili Židovi?
Što je istina?

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Post by RayMabus Mon 28 Mar - 7:21

15. Miesler, Milan - I have no information confirming that he was Jewish.

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Ewo ja imam ............trebalo mi je par minuta Miesler prezime čije je :

Frank Meisler was born into a Jewish family in Danzig (now Gdańsk, Poland). He was evacuated from Germany by the Kindertransport in August 1939, travelling with 14 other Jewish children via Berlin to the Netherlands and then to Liverpool Street station in London. His parents were arrested three days after his departure, held in the Warsaw Ghetto and later murdered at Auschwitz concentration camp. He was raised by a grandmother, who lived in London. He attended school in Harrow, and then did national service in the Royal Air Force. He studied architecture at the University of Manchester, and was involved in the construction of the Heathrow Airport.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Meisler

Dakle židowsko prezime a Milan Meiser wam je owo :

Oružništvo je osnovano 30. travnja 1941. kao ruralna policija, a prvi zapovjednik bio je general-bojnik Milan Miesler.[6] Oružnicima je povjerena dužnost "da čuvaju i očuvaju red i mir i da svakog čestitog i ispravnog građanina zaštite od nasilja ili napadaja na život i imetak". Zadaci oružništva su: "...održavati javni mir i red, javnu, osobnu i imovinsku sigurnost. Oružništvo mora sprečavati protuzakonitosti svake vrste". Oružništvo je nastavak oružništva u Banovini Hrvatskoj, budući da su većinu sastava činili pripadnici Hrvatske žandarmerijske brigade Banovine Hrvatske (od 7. travnja 1941. de iure Oružništva Banovine Hrvatske). Potkraj 1941. u oružništvu je bilo 3.706 ljudi.

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Post by RayMabus Mon 28 Mar - 7:38

Frank Meisler -...............Milan Miesler

Doduše owdje je ie a owdje ei .........nije isto prezime .......slično je.

Šwabska prezimena a židowska.

Slawenima je to i onako teško razlikowat ( židowska njemačka prezimena su isto ko i njemačka )

Uglawnom za owoga sam siguran :


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Eugen Kvaternik, Jure Francetić, i Mladen Lorković na mostu na Drini.

https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugen_Dido_Kvaternik

Swe u swemu ustaše su načionalistički i fašistički pokret a ne nazistički.

Fašistička ideologija se ne wrti oko židowa nego oko držawe a hr načionalisti se sigurno ne wrte oko židowskog pitanja
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Post by RayMabus Mon 28 Mar - 7:45

Sad ti ostaju fašiza i načionaliza. Fašizam je posebna priča , wiše se swodi na ; uprawljanje držawom a načionalizam .........a čuj ewo ti multi kulti pa usporedi ........ima i nešto šta se zowe razum , zlatna sredina pa netreba swaka ideologija bit odbačena u startu ..........pa eto skrenili u ekstrem i došli do multikultija i sad proučawajte to shranje.
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Post by RayMabus Mon 28 Mar - 7:52

Ja ne odbačujem ni multikulti al sigurno neču dowest črnče iz prašume u hr pa očekiwat od njih da če se uklopit owdje pogotow ne ako ih dowede jako puno ( Merkeliča , arapi , Frančuzi i njihowi arapi i črnči ) al ako su slični Hrwatima , rasno , mentalno , određena kwota , poštiwat če držawu u kojoj žiwe ( elementi fašizma , držawa je swe ) ......normalno da mi ne smeta niti ima zašto.
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Post by RayMabus Mon 28 Mar - 8:05

Osobno sebe nemogu stawit u niti jedan ideološki okwir al razlog je šta ja u sadašnjem wremenu gledam stwari i swe su mi opčije otworene pa izaberem onu koja mi paše.

Pokušao sam se stawit u neki ideološki okwir no izgleda da je to kod mene nemoguča misija.

Međutim ispada da sam ja uprawo zbog toga jako opasna osoba..

Mogu donijeti swe odluke ....a swe baš to i znači .......mrtaw ladan spaliti kontinente ako je to rezultat mog mozganja.

A još čudnije je šta se nikad neču pokajati za to ako je to došlo kako rezultat mozganja.
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Post by RayMabus Mon 28 Mar - 14:03

Gornji post sa htio razsjasniti pa ono : nekad bi wa bilo bolje da stwari gledate malo drukčije npr rasizam ......ako ste wi bijelči a jeste jer ste u Ewropi onda wam je bolje da wam je glawni rasista jer was woli a črnče ne woli.

Jel da da je owo hebena logika ?

Pa eto ne znam šta bi wiše wolili da osoba koja odlučuje oče li bačit atomsku na waš grad je rasista ili ne.

Rasista wiid da tu ima bjelača i on takwu odluku teško teško teško da če donit .....dakle njegow rasizam was štiti.

Šta was štiti kod mene ?

Odgowor je : NIŠTA.
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Post by RayMabus Mon 28 Mar - 14:18

Tako da neke stwari morate malo pogledat i iz drugog kuta. S rasistom bare znaš na čemu si a rečimo s menom NIKAD NE ZNAŠ NA ČEMU SI ....SWE JE MOGUČE.




Malo mozgajte pa čete widit da sam hebeno u prawu.
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Post by kic Mon 28 Mar - 17:14

o cemu ti :D
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Post by Regoč Mon 28 Mar - 17:16

Mabusa popustili liekovi pa opet se sam sa sobom svađa.

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Post by RayMabus Mon 28 Mar - 17:16

O nečemu o čemu jako malo ljudi razmišlja.
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Post by RayMabus Mon 28 Mar - 17:18

Regoč wrote:Mabusa popustili liekovi pa opet se sam sa sobom svađa.
Ma jok ..........duboka filozofija koja se ispostawi kao točna kad ju malo bolje proanaliziraš.
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Post by Regoč Mon 28 Mar - 17:19

Mabuse, skrati. Nitko to ne čita. Srž možeš dati i u jednoj poruci.

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Post by kic Mon 28 Mar - 17:21

e jeste znali da ovo nije prva sveceva abjuz prijava x)
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Post by RayMabus Mon 28 Mar - 17:21

Šta je to abjuz prijawa ?
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Post by Trinity Mon 28 Mar - 17:23

kic wrote:e jeste znali da ovo nije prva sveceva abjuz prijava x)
Of course.
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Post by kic Mon 28 Mar - 17:23

abuse je zloupotreba terms&condtionsa, ono sto nitko ne cita ako si igrao plejku..
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Post by RayMabus Mon 28 Mar - 17:24

A kome se žalio ?
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Post by kic Mon 28 Mar - 17:27

zalio se gazdama forumotiona, i oni mogu ugasiti forum ako misle da je osnovana prituzba, i sad, sto ce nama takav svele na forumi koji evo, nije prvi put da pokusava zbrisati forum.. 

i opet mu nisam dao trajni jer mu je virtuala pola zivota, svele prestani zajebavati i necu te dalje sramotiti.
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Post by RayMabus Mon 28 Mar - 17:28

kic wrote:zalio se gazdama forumotiona,
LInk ( dokaz ) ?
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