Korona novosti i spoznaje
Page 15 of 50
Page 15 of 50 • 1 ... 9 ... 14, 15, 16 ... 32 ... 50
Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
Eroo wrote:Nisu kao što vidiš. 9.6% populacije zaštićeno je zanemarljivo.dijagram wrote:Eroo wrote:
I ne baš.
Pa zar nisu bolje procijepljeni, a istovremeno prilicno gori po smrtnosti.
Hrvatska je počela s ozbiljnim cijepljenjem kasnije i sporije,
zato jojjekrivuljaugodnija glede zaštite. Puno bolja.
Vjerojatno su bili prije, kaj znam, 5 mjeseci recimo,to bi morao provjeriti.
Pa ne pratim ovo, pogotovo ne cijepljenje, ali sam prilicno siguran da sam vidio tablicu negdje di su Madjari bolji.
Postavi tablicu procijepljenosti europe, sigurno je gledas svaki dan;)
dijagram- Posts : 18938
2015-08-09
Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
Nema 100%zaštite, to jeglupost.n_razbojnik wrote:i nećemo ništa pametno reći na to da zamjenica ravnatelja HZJZ u maniru ravnozemljaskog antivaksera izvali glupost i ostaje na poziciji nego ćeš prkositi struci i pokazivati stopu smrtnosti sa cijepivom koje 100% štiti od iste?Eroo wrote:@n_razbojnik, podatki sa: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Portugal 10.15 mio stanovnika ; Hrvatska 4.067 mio stanovnika
Prosječno dnevno umrlih kroz zadnjih 7 dana :
Portugal 16 osoba ; Hrvatska 42 osobe
S "križnim računom" dobijemo koliko puta je veća smrtnost u Hrvatskoj od one u Potugalu.
fv = (10.15x42)/(4.067x16)=6.55x veća
Morašpriznati da to nije malo, je lise slkažeš?
Vidiš,to je razlog zašto pravila u HR moraju još jedno vrijeme biti drugačija nego u Portugalu.
koja su to pravila drugačija kod nas nego u Portugalu? Isto peremo ruke, odrzavamo distancu i nosimo ukras za uši, manje se cijepimo, umiremo više. opet kad vidim da i oni umiru a nebi smjeli, jer tako struka kaže, pitam se zna li itko u toj ustanovi o čemu priča
Cijepljenje smanjuje smrtnost preko 10x. Kod Delta virusa, naravno, za Omikron ne mogu ništa reći.
Zapravo mogu, za sada se smrtnost u portugalu nije povećala zbog Omikrona...na nivou je one kod gripe.
Pogledaj dijagram!
Eroo- Posts : 79092
2016-07-22
Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
Madjari s dvije doze 60% mi 51%, ero o cemu ti, kakvih crnih 9%
https://qap.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab
https://qap.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#uptake-tab
Last edited by dijagram on 2/1/2022, 22:41; edited 1 time in total
dijagram-
Posts : 18938
2015-08-09
Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
Noor wrote:Eroo wrote:Bauštelac nisam, a ti, sa štiklama 20cm, po bifeima kao kontrolirašNoor wrote:
a tvoja ovako:
- kako se zovete gospođo?
- Bubaš
- ma ne bubam, ozbiljno pitam, znate i ja na baušteli držim konzilije s tesarima i armiračima
radi li se sve po peesu kako je Eroo predvidio...
Ta znamo se, majkumu...tko, što i na koji način.
Sve znamo, ali o tome se ne priča.
ja ne nadzirem petparačke projektiće kakve ti radiš, nego prave ozbiljne projekte
princeze ti u štiklama i halterima operiraju po bifeima
a sad marš u pičku materinu usranu
Reka san ti više puta kako stoje stvari kod mene.
Ne povlači me za jezik, jer znam biti verbalno veoma neugodan.
Pravit ču se da ovo nisam vidio. Za sada.
Eroo- Posts : 79092
2016-07-22
Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
jarić je jarić, ali samo postavlja pitanja i zapisuje što pametni kažu...
https://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/siri-se-prica-o-planu-cijepljenja-s-11-doza-je-li-to-istina/2328733.aspx?index_ref=naslovnica_vijesti_ostalo_d
To je razumljivo - ozbiljni ljudi ne blebeću, već pokušavaju sagledati problematiku detaljno, uzeti u obzir raznorazne čimbenike koji na tijek budućnosti mogu utjecati, nastoje izraditi validne modele, odnosno scenarije i svakom pridati određenu dozu vjerojatnosti. A za to je ipak potrebno malo vremena i, svakako, pouzdanih ulaznih podataka
https://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/siri-se-prica-o-planu-cijepljenja-s-11-doza-je-li-to-istina/2328733.aspx?index_ref=naslovnica_vijesti_ostalo_d
To je razumljivo - ozbiljni ljudi ne blebeću, već pokušavaju sagledati problematiku detaljno, uzeti u obzir raznorazne čimbenike koji na tijek budućnosti mogu utjecati, nastoje izraditi validne modele, odnosno scenarije i svakom pridati određenu dozu vjerojatnosti. A za to je ipak potrebno malo vremena i, svakako, pouzdanih ulaznih podataka
ljubo1212- Posts : 2050
2015-08-02
Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
Učinkovitost nakon 6 mjeseci nestane. Tako kaže struka.dijagram wrote:Madjari s dvije doze 60% mi 51%, ero o cemu ti, kakvih crnih 9%
Samo sam taj dio dijagrama oduzeo od 60%!
A sad sam možeš pronaći i pogledati hr dijagram cijepljenja i vidjet češ da
po tom pitanju stojite bolje.
Sličan problem kao Maraska su imali i Israelci, ali su oni na brzinu dodatno
procijepili taj dio s booster dozama. To su Israelci, jebga...
.
PS:
Sad samim pogledao digramdnevno umrlih.
Objavljuju rezultate za 2-3 dana zajedno,moraš gledati prosjek tijekom 7dana.
Last edited by Eroo on 2/1/2022, 22:52; edited 1 time in total
Eroo- Posts : 79092
2016-07-22
Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
dolaze i švabe pameti, zanimljivo , tek tamo 1945 kada zapadnjaci provaljuju preko rajne a rusi preko odre , onda odjedanput misle da su bili "zavedeni propagandom".. luđaka..
ostat će na ovom forumu epi, luđak ero, i onaj glupokokurac - nick mu pristaje - oni će biti do samoga kraja, kada padne Berlin, oni se i tada neće predati, nego će pucati sebi u glavu
_________________
May Allah destroy Australia
AssadNaPodmornici- Posts : 22332
2018-06-14
michaellcmacha and Hektorović like this post
Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
Eroo wrote:Učinkovitost nakon 6 mjeseci nestane. Tako kaže struka.dijagram wrote:Madjari s dvije doze 60% mi 51%, ero o cemu ti, kakvih crnih 9%
Samo sam taj dio dijagrama oduzeo od 60%!
A sad sam možeš pronaći i pogledati hr dijagram cijepljenja i vidjet češ da
po tom pitanju stojite bolje.
Sličan problem kao Maraska su imali i Israelci, ali su oni na brzinu dodatno
procijepili taj dio s booster dozama. To su Israelci, jebga...
.
Ma daj:) sad o tome kad je tko cijepljen;)
Za ukupnu smrtnost to je nebitno.
Svakako ih je cijepljeno vise nego nas, a kojeg datuma to je sad irelevantno.
No dobro, barem si priznao da je cjepivo nakon 6 mjeseci nula bodova:)
dijagram-
Posts : 18938
2015-08-09
michaellcmacha likes this post
Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
Ništa nisam ja priznao, tako kaže struka.Protiv gripe se cijepimo svake godine,dijagram wrote:Eroo wrote:Učinkovitost nakon 6 mjeseci nestane. Tako kaže struka.dijagram wrote:Madjari s dvije doze 60% mi 51%, ero o cemu ti, kakvih crnih 9%
Samo sam taj dio dijagrama oduzeo od 60%!
A sad sam možeš pronaći i pogledati hr dijagram cijepljenja i vidjet češ da
po tom pitanju stojite bolje.
Sličan problem kao Maraska su imali i Israelci, ali su oni na brzinu dodatno
procijepili taj dio s booster dozama. To su Israelci, jebga...
.
Ma daj:) sad o tome kad je tko cijepljen;)
Za ukupnu smrtnost to je nebitno.
Svakako ih je cijepljeno vise nego nas, a kojeg datuma to je sad irelevantno.
No dobro, barem si priznao da je cjepivo nakon 6 mjeseci nula bodova:)
jer je nakon "3 mjeseca nula bodova" zaštita.
Inače, Mađari prijavljuju broj umrlih skupa za 2-3dana.
Trenutno imaju prosjek 126/dan pa je to na 1 milijun stanovnika nešto kao u Hrvatskoj.
Dijagram umrlih im je također sličan kao u HR, kao jaje jajetu.
Eroo- Posts : 79092
2016-07-22
Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
Eroo wrote:Ništa nisam ja priznao, tako kaže struka.dijagram wrote:Eroo wrote:
Učinkovitost nakon 6 mjeseci nestane. Tako kaže struka.
Samo sam taj dio dijagrama oduzeo od 60%!
A sad sam možeš pronaći i pogledati hr dijagram cijepljenja i vidjet češ da
po tom pitanju stojite bolje.
Sličan problem kao Maraska su imali i Israelci, ali su oni na brzinu dodatno
procijepili taj dio s booster dozama. To su Israelci, jebga...
.
Ma daj:) sad o tome kad je tko cijepljen;)
Za ukupnu smrtnost to je nebitno.
Svakako ih je cijepljeno vise nego nas, a kojeg datuma to je sad irelevantno.
No dobro, barem si priznao da je cjepivo nakon 6 mjeseci nula bodova:)
Inače, Mađari prijavljuju broj umrlih skupa za 2-3dana.
Trenutno imaju prosjek 126/dan pa je to na 1 milijun stanovnika nešto kao u Hrvatskoj.
Dijagram umrlih im je također sličan kao u HR, kao jaje jajetu.
Ero gledam total u velikoj tablici, na milijun ih je umrlo 4000 a nas tri, velika razlika.
Velika je i izmedju ostalih drzava koje samgore naveo , takodjer ukupni period.
Koje crno dan dva, ili mjesec dva.
dijagram-
Posts : 18938
2015-08-09
Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
Odžak 45 oni 2022AssadNaPodmornici wrote:dolaze i švabe pameti, zanimljivo , tek tamo 1945 kada zapadnjaci provaljuju preko rajne a rusi preko odre , onda odjedanput misle da su bili "zavedeni propagandom".. luđaka..
ostat će na ovom forumu epi, luđak ero, i onaj glupokokurac - nick mu pristaje - oni će biti do samoga kraja, kada padne Berlin, oni se i tada neće predati, nego će pucati sebi u glavu
newuser- Posts : 1995
2015-09-09
Hektorović likes this post
Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
Noor wrote:ja ne nadzirem petparačke projektiće kakve ti radiš, nego prave ozbiljne projekte
Najveće u Sloveniji i neke velikei u Austri. S Talijancima također imam dobro iskustvo.
Sve sami kapitalci... Jedno je praviti se da nadgledaš, a drugo je to nešto stvarati.
Eroo- Posts : 79092
2016-07-22
Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
Znači ne govorimo od današnjoj situaciji? Učinilo mi se da si to komentirao.dijagram wrote:Eroo wrote:Ništa nisam ja priznao, tako kaže struka.dijagram wrote:
Ma daj:) sad o tome kad je tko cijepljen;)
Za ukupnu smrtnost to je nebitno.
Svakako ih je cijepljeno vise nego nas, a kojeg datuma to je sad irelevantno.
No dobro, barem si priznao da je cjepivo nakon 6 mjeseci nula bodova:)
Inače, Mađari prijavljuju broj umrlih skupa za 2-3dana.
Trenutno imaju prosjek 126/dan pa je to na 1 milijun stanovnika nešto kao u Hrvatskoj.
Dijagram umrlih im je također sličan kao u HR, kao jaje jajetu.
Ero gledam total u velikoj tablici, na milijun ih je umrlo 4000 a nas tri, velika razlika.
Velika je i izmedju ostalih drzava koje samgore naveo , takodjer ukupni period.
Koje crno dan dva, ili mjesec dva.
Da, i Portugalci su imali strašno lošu situaciju dok glavnokomandujući
general nije svoje Portugalce uvjerio da se trebaju cijepiti.
Vidjet ćemo kako će im ići s Omikronom. Za sada su OK. UK-ajovci također.
Eroo- Posts : 79092
2016-07-22
Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
https://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/nassim-nicholas-taleb-blokirao-sam-imbecila-nenada-bakica/2329743.aspx?index_ref=naslovnica_vijesti_ostalo_d
------------
evo se bakić posvađao s nekima
------------
evo se bakić posvađao s nekima
epikur37- Posts : 45339
2015-08-06
Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
Taleb se u zadnje vrijeme pogubio, vrijeđa sve živo, blokirao i Jordana Petersona i Rogana, nažalost lik je ispao totalni COVID histerik... Da ne pričamo kako je 2020-te gurao one gluposti o ključna dva tjedna, nužnosti totalnih lockdowna, derao se protiv prirodnog imuniteta, pretjerivao o smrtnosti... Do sad je potpuno promašio oko svega u svezi COVID-a.
Last edited by Hektorović on 3/1/2022, 00:56; edited 1 time in total
Hektorović- Posts : 26373
2018-04-10
Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
AssadNaPodmornici wrote:dolaze i švabe pameti, zanimljivo , tek tamo 1945 kada zapadnjaci provaljuju preko rajne a rusi preko odre , onda odjedanput misle da su bili "zavedeni propagandom".. luđaka..
ostat će na ovom forumu epi, luđak ero, i onaj glupokokurac - nick mu pristaje - oni će biti do samoga kraja, kada padne Berlin, oni se i tada neće predati, nego će pucati sebi u glavu
Pa nakon Omikrona, za 3 mjeseca, svi će živi imati svjež i jak prirodni imunitet, a istovremeno sad se potpuno vidi kako su mRNA terapije podbacile u spriječavanju širenja i sveopćoj supresiji virusa.
Hektorović- Posts : 26373
2018-04-10
Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
Hektorović wrote:
Pa nakon Omikrona, za 3 mjeseca, svi će živi imati svjež i jak prirodni imunitet, a istovremeno sad se potpuno vidi kako su mRNA terapije podbacile u spriječavanju širenja i sveopćoj supresiji virusa.
Do danas umrlih 12,609...Moglo je to biti i višestruko više,
ali na svu sreću o tome ne odlučuju seronje.
Eroo- Posts : 79092
2016-07-22
Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
https://medium.com/sledilnik/ucinek-cepljenja-8167a2e2b179
Eroo- Posts : 79092
2016-07-22
Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
Official German Government data suggests the Fully Vaccinated will develop Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome by the end of January 2022
German Government Data for the alleged Omicron variant of Covid-19, suggests that most of the “fully vaccinated” will have full blown Covid-19 vaccine induced acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) by the end of January 2022, after confirming that the immune systems of the fully vaccinated have already degraded to an average of minus 87%.
The German Government Covid-19 figures are produced by the ‘Robert Koch Institut’
https://www.rki.de/EN/Home/homepage_node.html
Their latest data is available as a downloadable pdf here.
https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/Wochenbericht/Wochenbericht_2021-12-30.pdf?__blob=publicationFile
Page 14 has their Weekly COVID-19 management report from December 30, 2021
Translation
“Additional information is known to some extent for the Omikron cases in the reporting system. for 6,788 cases were provided with information on the symptoms, mostly none or mild symptoms indicated. It was most common by patients with symptoms
Runny nose (54%), cough (57%) and sore throat (39%) mentioned. 124 patients were hospitalized, four people died. Exposure abroad was reported for 543 (5%) cases. 186 patients were unvaccinated, 4,020 were fully vaccinated, of these, a booster vaccination was reported for 1,137. On the basis of the transmitted data 148 reinfections were found among all transmitted Omicron infections, none of them Previous illnesses were reported to the person affected by reinfection. Figure 9 shows the distribution of the Omikron cases reported so far in Germany. Omicron cases have been detected in all federal states.”
186 unvaccinated cases
2,883 double vaccinated cases
1,137 triple vaccinated cases
4,020 fully vaccinated cases
In Germany 70.53% are fully vaxxed, 2.97% are partially vaxxed and 26.5% unvaxxed – https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
So unvaxxed have 186 cases out of 26.5% of the population
Fully vaxxed have 4020 cases out of 70.53% of the population.
So the vaxxed Omicron case incidence is 57.0 per percent of population (830,000 is 1% of the 83 million German population)
And the unvaxxed Omicron case incidence is 7.02 per percent of population.
So the vaxxed are 57.0/7.02 = 8.12x more likely to be infected with Omicron than the unvaxxed in Germany That is what vaccination has done for the people of Germany.
The Koch Institut failed to produce its normal vaccine effectiveness table in its December 30 weekly report. This may have been due to the holidays (the British gave up completely on December23) or may have been because the table would be disastrous for the vaccines. But we can help the Germans out here by doing the calculation for them using Pfizer’s vaccine effectiveness formula.
Vaccine effectiveness = immune system effectiveness = (1-8.12)/8.12 = -7.12/8.12 = -87.7%.
So the vaccinated have an 87.7% lower immune response than the unvaccinated have to Omicron.
This means that the average German is down to the last 12.3% of his or her immune system for fighting certain classes of viruses and certain cancers etc. etc.
Here is the prediction, the extrapolation from UKHSA Vaccine Surveillance Report data from Weeks 35-42 that we first made on October 10th. The predicted figures are in olive green.
So Germany, at 87.7% immune system degradation, has done 6.7% worse than our model which predicted, an 81.0% degradation this year (for over 18s based on 2 doses of the anti-vaccine rather than 3).
It is the 3rd dose that really kills the immune system as can be seen from the ONS data for Omicron. Here is Table 1b from the OMS report: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey, UK: Characteristics related to having an Omicron compatible result in those who test positive for COVID-19 (84.8 kB xlsx)
https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/adhocs/14107coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveyukcharacteristicsrelatedtohavinganomicroncompatibleresultinthosewhotestpositiveforcovid19/omicronpredictorsofpositivityadhoc.xlsx
These figures mean that if you have Covid and you have had 3 doses of the vaccine then you are 4.45x more likely to have Omicron than if you are an unvaxxed Covid case. But the above was merely an estimation.
https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/01/02/german-gov-data-suggests-fully-vaccinated-developing-ade/
German Government Data for the alleged Omicron variant of Covid-19, suggests that most of the “fully vaccinated” will have full blown Covid-19 vaccine induced acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) by the end of January 2022, after confirming that the immune systems of the fully vaccinated have already degraded to an average of minus 87%.
The German Government Covid-19 figures are produced by the ‘Robert Koch Institut’
https://www.rki.de/EN/Home/homepage_node.html
Their latest data is available as a downloadable pdf here.
https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/Wochenbericht/Wochenbericht_2021-12-30.pdf?__blob=publicationFile
Page 14 has their Weekly COVID-19 management report from December 30, 2021
Translation
“Additional information is known to some extent for the Omikron cases in the reporting system. for 6,788 cases were provided with information on the symptoms, mostly none or mild symptoms indicated. It was most common by patients with symptoms
Runny nose (54%), cough (57%) and sore throat (39%) mentioned. 124 patients were hospitalized, four people died. Exposure abroad was reported for 543 (5%) cases. 186 patients were unvaccinated, 4,020 were fully vaccinated, of these, a booster vaccination was reported for 1,137. On the basis of the transmitted data 148 reinfections were found among all transmitted Omicron infections, none of them Previous illnesses were reported to the person affected by reinfection. Figure 9 shows the distribution of the Omikron cases reported so far in Germany. Omicron cases have been detected in all federal states.”
186 unvaccinated cases
2,883 double vaccinated cases
1,137 triple vaccinated cases
4,020 fully vaccinated cases
In Germany 70.53% are fully vaxxed, 2.97% are partially vaxxed and 26.5% unvaxxed – https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations
So unvaxxed have 186 cases out of 26.5% of the population
Fully vaxxed have 4020 cases out of 70.53% of the population.
So the vaxxed Omicron case incidence is 57.0 per percent of population (830,000 is 1% of the 83 million German population)
And the unvaxxed Omicron case incidence is 7.02 per percent of population.
So the vaxxed are 57.0/7.02 = 8.12x more likely to be infected with Omicron than the unvaxxed in Germany That is what vaccination has done for the people of Germany.
The Koch Institut failed to produce its normal vaccine effectiveness table in its December 30 weekly report. This may have been due to the holidays (the British gave up completely on December23) or may have been because the table would be disastrous for the vaccines. But we can help the Germans out here by doing the calculation for them using Pfizer’s vaccine effectiveness formula.
Vaccine effectiveness = immune system effectiveness = (1-8.12)/8.12 = -7.12/8.12 = -87.7%.
So the vaccinated have an 87.7% lower immune response than the unvaccinated have to Omicron.
This means that the average German is down to the last 12.3% of his or her immune system for fighting certain classes of viruses and certain cancers etc. etc.
Here is the prediction, the extrapolation from UKHSA Vaccine Surveillance Report data from Weeks 35-42 that we first made on October 10th. The predicted figures are in olive green.
So Germany, at 87.7% immune system degradation, has done 6.7% worse than our model which predicted, an 81.0% degradation this year (for over 18s based on 2 doses of the anti-vaccine rather than 3).
It is the 3rd dose that really kills the immune system as can be seen from the ONS data for Omicron. Here is Table 1b from the OMS report: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Infection Survey, UK: Characteristics related to having an Omicron compatible result in those who test positive for COVID-19 (84.8 kB xlsx)
https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/adhocs/14107coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveyukcharacteristicsrelatedtohavinganomicroncompatibleresultinthosewhotestpositiveforcovid19/omicronpredictorsofpositivityadhoc.xlsx
These figures mean that if you have Covid and you have had 3 doses of the vaccine then you are 4.45x more likely to have Omicron than if you are an unvaxxed Covid case. But the above was merely an estimation.
https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/01/02/german-gov-data-suggests-fully-vaccinated-developing-ade/
Guest- Guest
Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
Nek se to dogodi u hrvatskoj i nek kojim slučajem službeni pas potpuno protuzakonito kao ubojita sila bude grizao nekog mog, ja se neću osvrtati na vlast nego ću potražiti likove koji vlast u takvim totalitarnim nasilnim akcijama podržavaju... I ja zasigurno neću izdavati nikakve 3 opomene...Hektorović wrote:Noor wrote:gdje je to? što je to?T. wrote:Sreća da smo članica eu koja će se pobrinuti za sve građane...
Sve je to ionako za naše dobro...
[size=43][/size]
Amstedram, progresivna woke vlast protiv zlih antivaksera.
michaellcmacha- Posts : 21325
2015-08-08
Hektorović likes this post
Page 15 of 50 • 1 ... 9 ... 14, 15, 16 ... 32 ... 50
Similar topics
» Korona novosti i spoznaje
» Korona novosti i spoznaje
» Korona novosti i spoznaje
» Korona novosti i spoznaje
» Korona novosti i spoznaje
» Korona novosti i spoznaje
» Korona novosti i spoznaje
» Korona novosti i spoznaje
» Korona novosti i spoznaje
Page 15 of 50
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum