Re: Počelo je: liberalni mediji dali toplu priču o pedofilu

by epikur37 Tue 27 Oct - 20:04

Postoji zločin i postoji kazna.

Nema drugog sistema.

by Kermit Tue 27 Oct - 20:05

by epikur37 Tue 27 Oct - 20:06

ostrakon wrote:
epikur37 wrote:
Ti bi da ih se pusti, na koji način i što s tim puštanjem?
Ja bih da ih se otkriva i brutalno kažnjava.
A usput bih zabranio i homoseksualnu propagandu.

Progonom ih samo tjeraš da se skrivaju, a to što su skriveni ne znači da ih nema i da ne zlostavljaju djecu.
Tebi je bitno samo da su te gadljive stvari daleko od tvojih očiju, ništa više.

Ne nego ti imaš potrebu predlagati nekakva gadljiva rješenja e da bi izazvao reakciju i onda uživao u tome.
pih...

by dijagram Tue 27 Oct - 20:06

neoliberalni_placenik wrote:a i asila uvik nalazi morbidne teme

by Guest Tue 27 Oct - 20:07

epikur37 wrote:Postoji zločin i postoji kazna.
Nema drugog sistema.

Postoji, ako su zlostavljali djecu to je zločin i trebali bi u zatvor zbog toga.
No ako nisu zlostavljali djecu ali imaju poremećene misli u glavi, što onda?

Ti bi čekao da naguze neko dijete, pa ih tek onda hvatao... jer druge metode otkrivanja nemaš.

by Guest Tue 27 Oct - 20:08

epikur37 wrote:
ostrakon wrote:
epikur37 wrote:
Ti bi da ih se pusti, na koji način i što s tim puštanjem?
Ja bih da ih se otkriva i brutalno kažnjava.
A usput bih zabranio i homoseksualnu propagandu.

Progonom ih samo tjeraš da se skrivaju, a to što su skriveni ne znači da ih nema i da ne zlostavljaju djecu.
Tebi je bitno samo da su te gadljive stvari daleko od tvojih očiju, ništa više.

Ne nego ti imaš potrebu predlagati nekakva gadljiva rješenja e da bi izazvao reakciju i onda uživao u tome.
pih...

a zašto bih ja to radio?

by Kermit Tue 27 Oct - 20:13

[size=54]How Thatcher’s Government Covered Up a VIP Pedophile Ring[/size]

Now that most of the major figures are dead, the truth is emerging about the systematic sexual abuse of children by members of the British government.

LONDON — A newspaper editor was handed startling evidence that Britain’s top law enforcement official knew there was a VIP pedophile network in Westminster, at the heart of the British government. What happened next in the summer of 1984 helps to explain how shocking allegations of rape and murder against some of the country’s most powerful men went unchecked for decades.

Less than 24 hours after starting to inquire about the dossier presented to him by a senior Labour Party politician, the editor was confronted in his office by a furious member of parliament who threatened him and demanded the documents. “He was frothing at the mouth and really shouting and spitting in my face,” Don Hale told The Daily Beast. “He was straight at me like a raging lion; he was ready to knock me through the wall.”

Despite the MP’s explosive intervention, Hale refused to hand over the papers which appeared to show that Leon Brittan, Margaret Thatcher’s Home Secretary, was fully aware of a pedophile network that included top politicians.

by epikur37 Tue 27 Oct - 20:13

ostrakon wrote:
epikur37 wrote:Postoji zločin i postoji kazna.
Nema drugog sistema.
Postoji, ako su zlostavljali djecu to je zločin i trebali bi u zatvor zbog toga.
No ako nisu zlostavljali djecu ali imaju poremećene misli u glavi, što onda?

Ti bi čekao da naguze neko dijete, pa ih tek onda hvatao... jer druge metode otkrivanja nemaš.

Pa nitko im ni sada ne brani da se jave stručnoj pomoći.

Međutim nije u pitanju bolest, već maligna osobnost, zla ćud.

Oni to ne vide kao vlastit problem, kao problem vide samo način realizacije poriva.

by epikur37 Tue 27 Oct - 20:14

ostrakon wrote:
epikur37 wrote:
ostrakon wrote:
epikur37 wrote:
Ti bi da ih se pusti, na koji način i što s tim puštanjem?
Ja bih da ih se otkriva i brutalno kažnjava.
A usput bih zabranio i homoseksualnu propagandu.

Progonom ih samo tjeraš da se skrivaju, a to što su skriveni ne znači da ih nema i da ne zlostavljaju djecu.
Tebi je bitno samo da su te gadljive stvari daleko od tvojih očiju, ništa više.

Ne nego ti imaš potrebu predlagati nekakva gadljiva rješenja e da bi izazvao reakciju i onda uživao u tome.
pih...

a zašto bih ja to radio?

malo si uvrnut, to sam ti već davno rekao

by Guest Tue 27 Oct - 20:17

..Ostrakon je u biti pravo osvjezenje od mainstream razmisljanja na Forumu...

by Guest Tue 27 Oct - 20:17

epikur37 wrote:
Pa nitko im ni sada ne brani da se jave stručnoj pomoći.

Ako zatraže pomoć odma ih se registrira i krene policijski nadzor nad njima.

epikur37 wrote:
Međutim nije u pitanju bolest, već maligna osobnost, zla ćud.

A ja sam provokator? Suspect

epikur37 wrote:
Oni to ne vide kao vlastit problem, kao problem vide samo način realizacije poriva.

Je li to onda poriv, ili zla ćud. Koje od toga dvoje?

by epikur37 Tue 27 Oct - 20:18

bogomdani wrote: ..Ostrakon je u biti pravo osvjezenje od mainstream razmisljanja na Forumu...

dobro jeste i to baš na svakoj temi :D antiprotivan

by Guest Tue 27 Oct - 20:19

epikur37 wrote:
bogomdani wrote: ..Ostrakon je u biti pravo osvjezenje od mainstream razmisljanja na Forumu...

dobro jeste i to baš na svakoj temi :D antiprotivan

Pa svakako ima nestandardna rjesenja... jocolor

..no to preispitivanje upucuje na znatnu mogucnost fokusiranja na dubinu stvari...

by Guest Tue 27 Oct - 20:20

Dobar je naš deda...ubija me u pojam, ali poštujem ga, moraš jednostavno... ;)

by Guest Tue 27 Oct - 20:21

epikur37 wrote:
malo si uvrnut, to sam ti već davno rekao

pa dobro, ne mogu svi biti ispravni
no to ne znači da te provociram kako bi dobio nekakvu reakciju pa uživao u njoj, jednostavno imamo drugačije poglede na stvari
ti bi pedofile rješavao primjenom fizičke sile, ja psihološkom manipulacijom... cilj je isti, metoda drugačija

by Guest Tue 27 Oct - 20:22

Bas me zivo zanima,kako ce i ovu izopacenost,liberalni krugovi i pravosudja vremenom podvesti pod "prihvatljivo"....

by Kermit Tue 27 Oct - 20:22

Satanic Paedophile Rings Linked to Government? Jim’ll 666 It For You

by Andrew Dilks on January 23, 2013 in News

Počelo je: liberalni mediji dali toplu priču o pedofilu - Page 3 Savile-occult-regalia

Počelo je: liberalni mediji dali toplu priču o pedofilu - Page 3 Savile-occult-regalia

Since the revelations of Jimmy Savile’s prolific sex offending came to light last year there has been a palpable effort on the part of the government and much of the media (most notably the BBC, where Savile worked – and abused children – for decades) to brush the issue under the carpet. The disturbing implications as to how Savile was able to operate unimpeded and his connections to rich and powerful people, have been put aside in favour of focusing media attention on other minor celebrities and has-beens and the occasional dead politician. While there have been hints pointing to paedophile rings linked to members of the government – notably after Tom Watson MP raised the issue in Parliament – few mainstream journalists have conducted a thorough investigation, and the idea of organized networks of child abusers reaching into the upper echelons of society is rarely considered a possibility.

Even more outlandish is the notion that some of these paedophiles are carrying out Satanic ritual abuse on their victims – something so shocking and far-fetched that it hardly bares contemplating. But information is coming to light which suggests that, far from being a nightmarish fantasy, devil-worshipping ritual abuse could be a disturbing reality.

Počelo je: liberalni mediji dali toplu priču o pedofilu - Page 3 Trans

On the 19th January, the Mirror ran a story titled, “Pervert MP Cyril Smith was pals with satanic child sex monster.” outlining how deceased paedophile MP Cyril Smith was involved in satanic rituals and the rape of children as young as 2. Victim Michael Roberts, 40, provided shocking details of the rituals, set up by his stepdad Michael Horgan, a man who became known as the High Priest of Satan. Like-minded paedophiles, including the knighted MP Smith, attended events where young girls and boys were repeatedly raped while being filmed – some of the “parties” took place on Saddleworth Moor, where child killers Ian Brady and Myra Hindley had buried their victims. Evidence of Smith’s paedophilia was presented to the authorities in 1970, 1998 and 1999 but charges were never brought – as with Jimmy Savile, who’s activities were brought to the attention of the police on numerous occasions during his lifetime, it was only after his death that Smith was exposed as a paedophile.

Not only were Savile and Smith both able to operate as prolific paedophiles, both were knighted (perhaps a hint as to how they managed to avoid prosecution throughout their lives – Greater Manchester Police and the Crown Prosecution Service have both claimed there was “overwhelming evidence” against Smith) and were close friends for decades. And Savile, it seems, may have also been involved in Satanic-based ritual abuse, conducted in the basements of hospitals such as Stoke Mandeville, where Savile was a volunteer porter and fundraiser between 1965 and 1988. Dr Valerie Sinason recounted the experience of the victim to the Sunday Express:

“She recalled being led into a room that was filled with candles on the lowest level of the hospital, somewhere that was not regularly used by staff. Several adults were there, including Jimmy Savile who, like the others, was wearing a robe and a mask. She recognised him because of his distinctive voice and the fact that his blond hair was protruding from the side of the mask. He was not the leader but he was seen as important because of his fame. She was molested, raped and beaten and heard words that sounded like ‘Ave Satanas’, a Latinised version of ‘Hail Satan’, being chanted. There was no mention of any other child being there and she cannot remember how long the attack lasted but she was left extremely frightened and shaken.”

Additional accounts emerged in the same paper a few days later, detailing the ordeal of a 13 year old girl who was tied to an altar during a black mass at a secret venue. “Savile then climbed on to the table and raped me. Others around him called out Satan’s name and laughed hysterically and were worked up into a frenzy.” During her horrific ordeal, one of the devil worshippers sneered: “You definitely fixed this one, Jim!”

Perhaps understandably, there are many who react to these allegations with incredulity, accusing those who make such allegations of suffering from delusions or out to cash in on Savile’s notoriety (although the recent Express story notes that the victim received no money for her story). An examination of Jimmy Savile’s life, however, indicates that these allegations might be closer to the truth than most people realise. In an interview with Esquire – reported here in the Daily Mail – Savile stated, “I am also the eminence grise: the grey, shadowy figure in the background. The thing about me is I get things done and I work under cover.”

Here is an overview of some of Savile’s connections:

For a children’s television presenter, Savile had close relationships with a number of prominent politicians, including Prime Ministers. Correspondence between Savile and former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher – heavily redacted by civil servants in the wake of the child abuse revelations – reveal that Savile and Thatcher met frequently as he sought funding for Stoke Mandeville hospital, where many of his abuses took place. He was also a frequent visitor to Chequers, spending New Year’s Eve with the Thatcher family on a number of occasions. Savile told Esquire, “I knew the real woman and the real woman was something else.”
In 1971 Jimmy Savile joined Lord Longford’s Commission on Pornography, along with six peers, an archbishop, three bishops, three professors, Cliff Richard and Gyles Brandreth. Longford was lampooned by the media for touring sex clubs in Denmark, but perhaps more controversial was his unsuccessful campaign for the early release of child killer Myra Hindley. While it is quite possible that Longford and the Commission knew nothing about Savile’s offending at the time, he nevertheless seems an odd choice. Longford’s niece Harriet Harman faced controversy when it emerged she once advocated the watering down of child pornography laws during her time as legal officer for the National Council for Civil Liberties (known today as Liberty).
From 1974 to 1984 the UK-based pro-paedophilia group the Paedophile Information Exchange(P.I.E.) operated, affiliated with the NCCL. An open letter to Lord Patten, chairman of the BBC Trust, indicated that Savile was a known member of this organization. In his call for a thorough investigation of paedophile rings linked to No. 10 Downing Street, Tom Watson cited the investigation and conviction of Peter Righton, a founding member of P.I.E. and the former director of education at the National Institute for Social Work, and other investigators have cited his links to an assistant bishop, artists, aristocrats and public school teachers in a network which had infiltrated all 12 of the children’s homes run by Islington council. If Savile’s connection to P.I.E. is true then his involvement in this network is highly likely – when the Righton investigation was closed, former Det Ch Supt Mike Hames (more from him later), head of Scotland Yard’s Obscene Publications Squad wrote: “We have only touched the tip of a huge national and international problem.” The BBC series Inside Story produced a detailed documentary on the case:

by epikur37 Tue 27 Oct - 20:22

ostrakon wrote:
epikur37 wrote:
Pa nitko im ni sada ne brani da se jave stručnoj pomoći.
Ako zatraže pomoć odma ih se registrira i krene policijski nadzor nad njima.
epikur37 wrote:
Međutim nije u pitanju bolest, već maligna osobnost, zla ćud.
A ja sam provokator?
epikur37 wrote:
Oni to ne vide kao vlastit problem, kao problem vide samo način realizacije poriva.
Je li to onda poriv, ili zla ćud. Koje od toga dvoje?

- Pa kako bi ti tretirao čovjeka koji dođe i kaže da ima zločinačke porive.....

Pustio ga bez nadzora?

- Nisi ti provokator nego si uvrnut.

- Poriv ili zla ćud ti je na isto.

by Guest Tue 27 Oct - 20:24

epikur37 wrote:
bogomdani wrote: ..Ostrakon je u biti pravo osvjezenje od mainstream razmisljanja na Forumu...
dobro jeste i to baš na svakoj temi :D antiprotivan

ja i ezekijel, sami protiv svih

by epikur37 Tue 27 Oct - 20:24

ostrakon wrote:
epikur37 wrote:
bogomdani wrote: ..Ostrakon je u biti pravo osvjezenje od mainstream razmisljanja na Forumu...
dobro jeste i to baš na svakoj temi :D antiprotivan
ja i ezekijel, sami protiv svih

Ti se ipak artikuliraš on se samo glasa :)

by dijagram Tue 27 Oct - 20:25

Starhemberg wrote:Dobar je naš deda...ubija me u pojam, ali poštujem ga, moraš jednostavno... ;)

sejo je zakon, a i imenjak isto

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