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Pinochet wrote:

deda wrote:

Pinochet wrote:
jbt priznaj da si pogriješio :D

nisam ti i Piglet ste pomješali porast investicija u odnosu a štednju (current account) sa razlikom izvoza i uvoza (balance of trade)

nije nego ti gledaš samo razliku uvoza i izvoza robom. 
tema je bila odakle €u hrvatskoj. euri ne dolaze samo izvozom industrije, nego gle čuda postoji turizam kao izvor € , gle čuda postoji to što netko dobija penziju iz njemačke kao izvor € , i postoji da neki strani kapitalist gradi hotel od 10milijuna € na obali, pa unese 10miliuna €, i to je izvor € za RH građane.. naravno djeluje se i u obrnutom smjeru, T-com ostvari 1milijardu kn dobiti, i pretvori i u eure i izvuče iz RH.. 

sve to ulazi u platnu bilancu.

Pinochet wrote:
to je na razini države. 
na razini pojedinca.. netko ima puno € , netko je zadužen do grla.
na razini države, odakle građanima € za štednju? jedino moze doći od državnog zaduživanja u inozemstvu

deda wrote:

Pinochet wrote:
to je na razini države. 
na razini pojedinca.. netko ima puno € , netko je zadužen do grla.
na razini države, odakle građanima € za štednju? jedino moze doći od državnog zaduživanja u inozemstvu

eto, ako želite da se smanji javni dug potrošite ušteđene EURe, 2+2, idemo dalje

ukratko, marcelus se zalaže za smanjenje štednje i općenito financijeske imovine privatnog sektora

Yehudi wrote:jeli tu tema financije i javni dug, ukupni dug RH ili je tema  - brana koja se urušava -

aben wrote:i, nihi, kako van odgovaraju na ono pitanje na soc. fakultetu?

Pinochet wrote:

aben wrote:i, nihi, kako van odgovaraju na ono pitanje na soc. fakultetu?

ima čak i na wikiedpiji HR odgovor :D jedan dio je da pustiš preko nevidljive ruke da sama riješi deficit.. najbolje to ide preko tečaja.. veliki deficit na platnoj bilanci, znači velika deprecijacija valute.. deprecijacija valute znači pad uvoza , rast izvoza, sustav se vraća u ravnotežu..  drugi način je država preko svojih mjera od ograničavanja uvoza, do "ručnih" manipulacija sa tečajom

The truth is that we should reverse the principle of the balance of trade and calculate the national profit from foreign trade in terms of the excess of imports over exports.  This excess, minus expenses, constitutes the real profit.  But this theory, which is the correct one, leads directly to the principle of free trade.  I present this theory to you, gentlemen, just as I do all the others that have been the subjects of the preceding chapters.  Exaggerate it as much as you wish; it has nothing to fear from that test.  Assume, if it amuses you, that foreigners flood our shores with all kinds of useful goods, without asking anything from us; even if our imports are infinite and our exports nothing, I defy you to prove to me that we should be the poorer for it.

Nothing, however, can be more absurd than this whole doctrine of the balance of trade.

Pinochet wrote:najbolje to ide preko tečaja

aben wrote:

The truth is that we should reverse the principle of the balance of trade and calculate the national profit from foreign trade in terms of the excess of imports over exports.  This excess, minus expenses, constitutes the real profit.  But this theory, which is the correct one, leads directly to the principle of free trade.  I present this theory to you, gentlemen, just as I do all the others that have been the subjects of the preceding chapters.  Exaggerate it as much as you wish; it has nothing to fear from that test.  Assume, if it amuses you, that foreigners flood our shores with all kinds of useful goods, without asking anything from us; even if our imports are infiniteand our exports nothing, I defy you to prove to me that we should be the poorer for it.

deda wrote:

aben wrote:

The truth is that we should reverse the principle of the balance of trade and calculate the national profit from foreign trade in terms of the excess of imports over exports.  This excess, minus expenses, constitutes the real profit.  But this theory, which is the correct one, leads directly to the principle of free trade.  I present this theory to you, gentlemen, just as I do all the others that have been the subjects of the preceding chapters.  Exaggerate it as much as you wish; it has nothing to fear from that test.  Assume, if it amuses you, that foreigners flood our shores with all kinds of useful goods, without asking anything from us; even if our imports are infiniteand our exports nothing, I defy you to prove to me that we should be the poorer for it.

govori o trampi, o robnoj razmjeni, ako primaš robu a ne izvoziš ništa

u toj cijeloj priči nema nigdje novca

I.6.13

If M. Lestiboudois requires it, I shall send him some figures taken from the books of M. T. There he will see, in the credit column of the profit-and-loss account—that is to say, as profit—two entries, one for 40,000 francs and the other for 70,400 francs; and M. T. is fully satisfied that in this respect his accounting is not in error.

I.6.14

And yet, what do the figures in the account books of the customhouse tell M. Lestiboudois regarding this transaction? They tell him that France has exported 200,000 francs, and that it has imported 352,000 francs; whence the honorable deputy concludes "that it has consumed and dissipated the proceeds of previous savings, that it has impoverished and is on the way to ruining itself, that it has given away 152,000 francs of its capital to foreigners."

aben wrote:

deda wrote:

aben wrote:

The truth is that we should reverse the principle of the balance of trade and calculate the national profit from foreign trade in terms of the excess of imports over exports.  This excess, minus expenses, constitutes the real profit.  But this theory, which is the correct one, leads directly to the principle of free trade.  I present this theory to you, gentlemen, just as I do all the others that have been the subjects of the preceding chapters.  Exaggerate it as much as you wish; it has nothing to fear from that test.  Assume, if it amuses you, that foreigners flood our shores with all kinds of useful goods, without asking anything from us; even if our imports are infiniteand our exports nothing, I defy you to prove to me that we should be the poorer for it.

govori o trampi, o robnoj razmjeni, ako primaš robu a ne izvoziš ništa
u toj cijeloj priči nema nigdje novca

ne govori

deda wrote:

aben wrote:

deda wrote:

aben wrote:

The truth is that we should reverse the principle of the balance of trade and calculate the national profit from foreign trade in terms of the excess of imports over exports.  This excess, minus expenses, constitutes the real profit.  But this theory, which is the correct one, leads directly to the principle of free trade.  I present this theory to you, gentlemen, just as I do all the others that have been the subjects of the preceding chapters.  Exaggerate it as much as you wish; it has nothing to fear from that test.  Assume, if it amuses you, that foreigners flood our shores with all kinds of useful goods, without asking anything from us; even if our imports are infiniteand our exports nothing, I defy you to prove to me that we should be the poorer for it.

govori o trampi, o robnoj razmjeni, ako primaš robu a ne izvoziš ništa
u toj cijeloj priči nema nigdje novca

ne govori

da govori, kada bi imao npr čvrstu valutu vezanu na zlato, ako uvoziš njemačke automobile izvozio bi zlato

izvoz je nekoć bio važna komponenta jer si zapravo izvozeći robu uvozio zlato, danas kad imaš fiat novac uvozim slabiš svoju valutu

Smith priča o trampi, o sustavu robne razmjene bez novca

aben wrote:
i poanta je, osim štetnosti protekcionizma, da balance of trade nije važan, ni unda, ni danas.