Građanski rat u Rusiji - tema

jel taj Utkin onaj as sa nazi tetovažama ? :D mislio sam da je nestao negdje.. 

Shoigu cannot be detained by Putin's security service. “Shoigu has his own security service, personally subordinate to the minister. No one can detain him - the guards will destroy anyone. The stories about Shoigu's arrest appeared amid rumors of his resignation. “There is no information. But on Monday they are waiting for some decisions,” the source says. Aleksey Dyumin, governor of the Tula region, Putin's former aide-de-camp, may be appointed minister of defense. The General Staff may be headed by General Surovikin.

AssadNaPodmornici wrote:jel taj Utkin onaj as sa nazi tetovažama ? :D mislio sam da je nestao negdje.. 

To je taj, moeš mislit koliko su se Šojgu i Gerasimov usrali u gaće

oce li tko ispratiti od strelkova kanal i one njegove grupe "angry russian patriots"

što će biti sa tom tehnikom? jel ostaje wagneru ili Rusiji?

AssadNaPodmornici wrote:oce li tko ispratiti od strelkova kanal i one njegove grupe "angry russian patriots"

Imam transkript, stavim ga ovdje


Tomorrow, the President is scheduled to meet with the leadership of the Ministry of Defense. In theory, today until 12.00 the deadline for making all decisions under the agreements between Prigozhin and the Presidential Administration expires.
 Prigogine himself called the President. He was not answered personally. Apparently, Vaino and Patrushev were the first to participate in the discussion of the situation. They called both Lukashenka and Dyumin. By the way, Dyumin denies negotiations with Prigozhin, since Utkin was the main negotiator on the part of the Wagners for Dyumin. Plus, Dyumin is trying not to impose on himself an unnecessary background of "succession" of anything - from the Ministry of Defense to ...
Kiriyenko also participated in the negotiations. The information did not leak anywhere at all, it came to us half an hour before the official announcement of the results of the negotiations. @nonetutto

AssadNaPodmornici wrote:što će biti sa tom tehnikom? jel ostaje wagneru ili Rusiji?

Ostaje Wagneru, a Wagnerovci koji žele mogu birati hoće li potpisati za MoD ili ostati sa Prigožinom/Utkinom (Prigožin je CEO, a Utkin COO).

Lukašeno je od klijenta sad postao partner u Wagneru, u Minsku će biti globalno sjedište.

iden se zabavit ručkom pa kasnije pročitam sve što staviš

1. Perhaps June 24 was the moment of the most acute political crisis in the Russian realities of the 21st century. Perhaps there is not a single institution that has shown itself worthy. Everyone suffered reputational risks. Ministry of Internal Affairs / National Guard / Army - leaving Rostov-on-Don and M4 alone with unexpected guests. The law enforcement system - because of the promise to amnesty after everything. Agitprop - having suffered a defeat in the information war with Prigozhinites. The system as a whole - demonstrating (not for the first time) a shortage of players who are able and willing to openly play for the system as a whole.
2. It turned out that the need to search for internal enemies is an important part of the bonds. And in moments of military failures and defeats, national self-consciousness is able to overcome the contrast between self-esteem and reality only through the thesis of betrayal. And attempts to nominate liberals-the West-Ukraine-gays for this role are not very effective. With pensioners watching TV, it rolls, and the rest need a more visible, strong and measurable enemy. The “enemies” named by Prigogine looked more convincing for the philistine picture of the world.
3. In conditions when there were no “adults” or they were lost, Sobyanin and Dyumin came to the fore purely outwardly. The first gave a clear signal: leave the city. Formally, without the intonation "save yourself, who can" - but as clearly as possible. The second one (we don't know what the motives were) brought back the half-forgotten-half-forbidden words "negotiations" and "compromise" into the lexicon.
4. In the past year and a half, Shoigu has played an important social and preventive role that Medvedev had previously played - he aroused anger at himself, diverting him from the rest. The question of whether the current/updated design will be good for an inertial-type presidential campaign will hang in the air for some time, but it will be tried to be forgotten. In the expectation that something else was forgotten and dissipated.
5. The general feeling at the end of all parties - devastation. Typical for those who saw in what was happening a chance for change. And those who were sincerely convinced that they were acting on behalf of the good and speaking on behalf of the “majority”. Mikhail Vinogradov

The main managerial asset in the Wagner PMC is not E. Prigozhin at all, but D. Utkin, who remains a systemic military leader.  @russica2

Pat pozicija.

Lijepa vijest za dobro jutro.

Sad treba jačat obranu prema Bjelorusiji i Rusiji kako ne bi Wagner koji su izrazito pokretne i dobro obućene trupe napravio brzi prodor prema Kijevu a da su sposobni za tako nešto vidili smo jučer i prekjučer kad su to isto izveli na putu prema Moskvi.

I treba dignit kamatne stope jer ovi Švabo opet šalje malo GPS granata a to me nervira tako da kad ljudi ne budu imali para za kupnju weš mašina onda će padat bilanca pa nek dižu vojnu proizvodnju da im ista ne potone.

Kaže nikidan oni ministar obrane Italije da oni nemaju para za dignit vojni proračun na 2 posto ( sad im je 1,5 posto ) itd ovo ono.

Majku van jeben dignit ću van te kamatne stope a proizvodite namještaj i kermačke pločice i kad van uveden svijet u tešku recesiju sve ćete tvornice toga zatvorit i štancat granate za Ukrajinu.

Konstantin Kalachev: Many, by the way, do not know that Belarus has been very active in the African direction for many years. Minsk attaches great importance to cooperation with African countries, and this is bearing fruit. Belarus needs markets, because it is not enough just to produce, you also need to sell it. Well, African resources are also not lying on the road. Friends at the Russian Foreign Ministry told me a few years ago that Belarus would be more active in Africa than the Russian Federation. With incomparable possibilities. So, Prigozhin found himself the right place and the right partner.

Hektorović wrote:Konstantin Kalachev: Many, by the way, do not know that Belarus has been very active in the African direction for many years. Minsk attaches great importance to cooperation with African countries, and this is bearing fruit. Belarus needs markets, because it is not enough just to produce, you also need to sell it. Well, African resources are also not lying on the road. Friends at the Russian Foreign Ministry told me a few years ago that Belarus would be more active in Africa than the Russian Federation. With incomparable possibilities. So, Prigozhin found himself the right place and the right partner.

Prodaju trakotre doli.

https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/lukasenko-posjetio-zimbabve-predsjedniku-darovao-traktor-zauzvrat-dobio-prepariranog-lava/230131196

Al to je taj dobro primjetija da je Lukašenko puno aktivniji u Africi nego sam Putin. Putin sebe gleda kao velikog igrača pa mu se ne da šetat naokolo ( a sad mu je i otežano kad ima hašku optužnicu ) i bavit sitnom boranijom i onda se on ne bačka s tom sirotinjom dole dok je Lukašenku svaki partner bitan.