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Four deaths after taking Russian Sputnik V vaccine
Brussels, Today, 07:04
Four people recently died in Russia shortly after taking the Sputnik V anti-corona jab in previously unreported cases, which are being taken "seriously" by the EU regulator, the European Medicines Agency (EMA) in Amsterdam.
Six other Russians also had medical complications after taking the vaccine, according to internal case files from RosPotrebNadzor, a Russian body responsible for administering vaccinations, seen by EUobserver
Three of the deceased were women aged 51, 69, and 74.
The fourth one was not identified in the leaked files.
The deaths were heart, lung, or blood-sugar related and might or might not have been caused by Sputnik V, the dossier of Russian documents indicated.
The other six patients were younger men and women, one of whom was just 25.
They suffered a range of symptoms, including breathing difficulties, convulsions, swelling, muscle weakness, high blood pressure, headaches, dizziness, and fevers after their jabs.
The authenticity of one of the RosPotrebNadzor case files was officially confirmed by Denis Logunov, a senior virologist at the Gamaleya Research Institute of Epidemiology and Microbiology in Moscow, which developed Sputnik V.
"I requested information about this case and ... obtained a response. This case is not fake," he told EUobserver on Wednesday (7 April), speaking of the 51-year old woman, who died suddenly after taking her second Sputnik V dose.
"The case was investigated. No association with vaccination was found," Logunov, who recently co-authored a paper on Sputnik V safety in British publication The Lancet, added.
One of the non-fatal cases was covered by a Russian regional newspaper, PLN Pskov.
But the newspaper issued the same caveat as Logunov.
"Conspiracy theorists please calm down. This terrible syndrome [an illness the patient had] could develop from any harmless vaccine," PLN Pskov said.
EUobserver independently identified three other patients in the leaked files via their social media accounts, while another one was identified as a nurse in a local hospital in Ulyanovsk, a city in western Russia.
It was not possible to confirm the deaths, as there is no open-source death registry in Russia.
The Russian Direct Investment Fund, an organ responsible for exporting Sputnik V, declined to comment.
RosPotrebNadzor also did not reply to EUobserver's questions.
EMA corroboration
But for its part, the EMA, which is currently screening Sputnik V for EU-wide approval, confirmed it had also seen the RosPotrebNadzor case files.
These were sent to the EU regulator by a Russian whistleblower, who asked to remain anonymous, rather than via normal channels however, according to an email by an EMA official dated 26 March and seen by this website.
"We can confirm that all reports are treated seriously by the EMA and assessed directly," an EMA spokeswoman told EUobserver on Thursday, referring to the RosPotrebNadzor files on deaths and other complications.
"In this particular case, the report hints to the safety of the vaccine, which is a fundamental aspect to be evaluated both during the ongoing rolling review and in the assessment subsequent to the filing of a marketing authorisation application. For this reason, we cannot comment at this stage on the facts narrated in the [RosPotrebNadzor] report," she added.
The EMA's review was also "based on results from laboratory studies and clinical studies in adults", it noted.
The total number of cases (10) in the leaked files was tiny compared to the millions of people who felt fine after taking Sputnik V.
But Russia's lack of transparency, as well as worries over its poor data collection standards, posed the question if there were other unreported cases out there.
"There is a problem with under-registration of side-effects of drugs in Russia in general," Vasily Vlassov, an epidemiologist at HSE University in Moscow, told EUobserver on Wednesday.
"All non-desirable effects connected in time with the use of the drug should be considered as a possible side-effect of the drug. It is a fundamental rule. Even death under a train should be considered," Vlassov, who co-wrote a study on Sputnik V in the British Medical Journal, said.
Raw nerves
The news on deaths after taking Sputnik V comes to light in a nervous atmosphere in Europe.
Some EU countries recently paused use of the British and Swedish-made AstraZeneca vaccine after isolated reports of blood clots.
And the general public felt alarmed, because pharmaceutical firms and regulators rushed through vaccine approvals in the Covid-19 emergency, Judy Twigg, a professor of political science at Virginia Commonwealth University in the US, said.
"Even if the adverse events [in the RosPotrebNadzor files] weren't linked to the vaccine, they still should have been openly reported," she told EUobserver.
"Data on all vaccines should be subject to high levels of scrutiny in order to minimise the risk of compromising public trust," she added.
"Open, well-communicated assessment of adverse events, the risks they pose, and appropriate measures to mitigate those risks offer the best path toward that," Twigg said.
The RosPotrebNadzor revelation also comes amid political tension on vaccines.
Pausing the AstraZeneca jabs prompted accusations of post-Brexit EU harassment by some UK voices.
At the same time, Hungary has already started using Sputnik V despite the fact it has no EMA clearance yet.
And Austria, France, Germany, and Italy are in advanced talks with Russia on buying and joint production of its drug.
Vaccine geopolitics
The EMA, earlier this week, also told British newspaper the Financial Times it had ethical concerns about Russia's data-collection methods.
But amid Europe's appeals for fair play, the Kremlin is taking a strong line in defending its product from potential bad press.
"A scenario of information attack on Sputnik V is being prepared through controlled non-governmental organisations (the US Agency for International Development, Soros foundation, Thomson Reuters Foundation) and media structures (BBC, Reuters, Internews)," a "high-ranking Kremlin source" told Russia's Tass news agency in March.
"[The attack] aims to substantiate the promoted theses about the vaccine's 'inefficiency and danger' by faking mass deaths allegedly caused by the use of the medicine," the Kremlin source said.
https://euobserver.com/world/151483
Brussels, Today, 07:04
Four people recently died in Russia shortly after taking the Sputnik V anti-corona jab in previously unreported cases, which are being taken "seriously" by the EU regulator, the European Medicines Agency (EMA) in Amsterdam.
Six other Russians also had medical complications after taking the vaccine, according to internal case files from RosPotrebNadzor, a Russian body responsible for administering vaccinations, seen by EUobserver
Three of the deceased were women aged 51, 69, and 74.
The fourth one was not identified in the leaked files.
The deaths were heart, lung, or blood-sugar related and might or might not have been caused by Sputnik V, the dossier of Russian documents indicated.
The other six patients were younger men and women, one of whom was just 25.
They suffered a range of symptoms, including breathing difficulties, convulsions, swelling, muscle weakness, high blood pressure, headaches, dizziness, and fevers after their jabs.
The authenticity of one of the RosPotrebNadzor case files was officially confirmed by Denis Logunov, a senior virologist at the Gamaleya Research Institute of Epidemiology and Microbiology in Moscow, which developed Sputnik V.
"I requested information about this case and ... obtained a response. This case is not fake," he told EUobserver on Wednesday (7 April), speaking of the 51-year old woman, who died suddenly after taking her second Sputnik V dose.
"The case was investigated. No association with vaccination was found," Logunov, who recently co-authored a paper on Sputnik V safety in British publication The Lancet, added.
One of the non-fatal cases was covered by a Russian regional newspaper, PLN Pskov.
But the newspaper issued the same caveat as Logunov.
"Conspiracy theorists please calm down. This terrible syndrome [an illness the patient had] could develop from any harmless vaccine," PLN Pskov said.
EUobserver independently identified three other patients in the leaked files via their social media accounts, while another one was identified as a nurse in a local hospital in Ulyanovsk, a city in western Russia.
It was not possible to confirm the deaths, as there is no open-source death registry in Russia.
The Russian Direct Investment Fund, an organ responsible for exporting Sputnik V, declined to comment.
RosPotrebNadzor also did not reply to EUobserver's questions.
EMA corroboration
But for its part, the EMA, which is currently screening Sputnik V for EU-wide approval, confirmed it had also seen the RosPotrebNadzor case files.
These were sent to the EU regulator by a Russian whistleblower, who asked to remain anonymous, rather than via normal channels however, according to an email by an EMA official dated 26 March and seen by this website.
"We can confirm that all reports are treated seriously by the EMA and assessed directly," an EMA spokeswoman told EUobserver on Thursday, referring to the RosPotrebNadzor files on deaths and other complications.
"In this particular case, the report hints to the safety of the vaccine, which is a fundamental aspect to be evaluated both during the ongoing rolling review and in the assessment subsequent to the filing of a marketing authorisation application. For this reason, we cannot comment at this stage on the facts narrated in the [RosPotrebNadzor] report," she added.
The EMA's review was also "based on results from laboratory studies and clinical studies in adults", it noted.
The total number of cases (10) in the leaked files was tiny compared to the millions of people who felt fine after taking Sputnik V.
But Russia's lack of transparency, as well as worries over its poor data collection standards, posed the question if there were other unreported cases out there.
"There is a problem with under-registration of side-effects of drugs in Russia in general," Vasily Vlassov, an epidemiologist at HSE University in Moscow, told EUobserver on Wednesday.
"All non-desirable effects connected in time with the use of the drug should be considered as a possible side-effect of the drug. It is a fundamental rule. Even death under a train should be considered," Vlassov, who co-wrote a study on Sputnik V in the British Medical Journal, said.
Raw nerves
The news on deaths after taking Sputnik V comes to light in a nervous atmosphere in Europe.
Some EU countries recently paused use of the British and Swedish-made AstraZeneca vaccine after isolated reports of blood clots.
And the general public felt alarmed, because pharmaceutical firms and regulators rushed through vaccine approvals in the Covid-19 emergency, Judy Twigg, a professor of political science at Virginia Commonwealth University in the US, said.
"Even if the adverse events [in the RosPotrebNadzor files] weren't linked to the vaccine, they still should have been openly reported," she told EUobserver.
"Data on all vaccines should be subject to high levels of scrutiny in order to minimise the risk of compromising public trust," she added.
"Open, well-communicated assessment of adverse events, the risks they pose, and appropriate measures to mitigate those risks offer the best path toward that," Twigg said.
The RosPotrebNadzor revelation also comes amid political tension on vaccines.
Pausing the AstraZeneca jabs prompted accusations of post-Brexit EU harassment by some UK voices.
At the same time, Hungary has already started using Sputnik V despite the fact it has no EMA clearance yet.
And Austria, France, Germany, and Italy are in advanced talks with Russia on buying and joint production of its drug.
Vaccine geopolitics
The EMA, earlier this week, also told British newspaper the Financial Times it had ethical concerns about Russia's data-collection methods.
But amid Europe's appeals for fair play, the Kremlin is taking a strong line in defending its product from potential bad press.
"A scenario of information attack on Sputnik V is being prepared through controlled non-governmental organisations (the US Agency for International Development, Soros foundation, Thomson Reuters Foundation) and media structures (BBC, Reuters, Internews)," a "high-ranking Kremlin source" told Russia's Tass news agency in March.
"[The attack] aims to substantiate the promoted theses about the vaccine's 'inefficiency and danger' by faking mass deaths allegedly caused by the use of the medicine," the Kremlin source said.
https://euobserver.com/world/151483
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Re: Da remiziram...vol II.
evo ispratio sam par statusa od Bakića/Lauca, uglavnom mi smo prošli vrhunac ima koji dan, dakle sada ide pad prema dolje.. mjere su totalno nepotrebne, uglavnom Bakić/Lauc se bune da ovi uvode mjere za PŽG županiju kada je i prva i druga derivacija negativna, dakle ide sada pad, mjere uvode kada je već gotovo i kada kreće pad.
kažu da "oštromjeraši" "Plaćenici od Kine itd" sada idu raditi pritisak na vladu da se uvode mjere i to sada kada je prema njegovim izračunima prošao vrhunac, a to možemo i sami zaključiti.. a onda će tvrditi da su "mjere zaustavile epidemiju lol", vrhunac je prošao, ima mjesec dana je napravio projekciju kretanja krivulje, samo je u odnosu prije mjesec dana, falio vrh na par(max tjedan dana) , i ipak je nešto veći broj zaraženih, ali to je to - ide sada nizbrdo, još par dana brojke i to je to.. treći val gotov, a time gotova i ova pandemija(p.s moj komentar) , jer gledao sam recimo španjolska gripa (koja je bila nekoliko tisuća % smrtonosnija od ovoga) je došla u gotovo tri identična vala, gotovo identično kretanje krivulje.. čak se ne treba niti cijepiti ako nisi rizična skupina
kažu da "oštromjeraši" "Plaćenici od Kine itd" sada idu raditi pritisak na vladu da se uvode mjere i to sada kada je prema njegovim izračunima prošao vrhunac, a to možemo i sami zaključiti.. a onda će tvrditi da su "mjere zaustavile epidemiju lol", vrhunac je prošao, ima mjesec dana je napravio projekciju kretanja krivulje, samo je u odnosu prije mjesec dana, falio vrh na par(max tjedan dana) , i ipak je nešto veći broj zaraženih, ali to je to - ide sada nizbrdo, još par dana brojke i to je to.. treći val gotov, a time gotova i ova pandemija(p.s moj komentar) , jer gledao sam recimo španjolska gripa (koja je bila nekoliko tisuća % smrtonosnija od ovoga) je došla u gotovo tri identična vala, gotovo identično kretanje krivulje.. čak se ne treba niti cijepiti ako nisi rizična skupina
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AssadNaPodmornici- Posts : 22332
2018-06-14
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španjolska gripa je i ubijala nakon trećeg vala, ali vrlo malo(u odnosu na prvi, drugi i treći val), nije bilo više onih velikih valova i pritisaka.. što znači ako će se covid-19(koji je nekoliko tisuća % slabiji od španjolice) ponašati isto, znači da će i on ubijati svaki dan par starijih osoba idućih mjeseci, ali nema više velikih valova, dakle u tom slučaju definitivno ako ste rizična skupina preporučavam cijepljenje. osobno se ne planiram
AssadNaPodmornici- Posts : 22332
2018-06-14
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Gnječ, meni ovo sve više sliči na rat proizvođača cjepiva i geostrateška podjebavanja.
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Eroo- Posts : 79092
2016-07-22
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Aleluja. Pružite ruke jedni drugima i pođite u miru...AssadNaPodmornici wrote:evo ispratio sam par statusa od Bakića/Lauca,
Eroo- Posts : 79092
2016-07-22
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Posavjetuj se s Noor po tom pitanju. Mlada i zdrava osoba, prolazi kroz to i zna najbolje od sviju nas o kakvoj pošasti se radi.AssadNaPodmornici wrote:španjolska gripa je i ubijala nakon trećeg vala, ali vrlo malo(u odnosu na prvi, drugi i treći val), nije bilo više onih velikih valova i pritisaka.. što znači ako će se covid-19(koji je nekoliko tisuća % slabiji od španjolice) ponašati isto, znači da će i on ubijati svaki dan par starijih osoba idućih mjeseci, ali nema više velikih valova, dakle u tom slučaju definitivno ako ste rizična skupina preporučavam cijepljenje. osobno se ne planiram
Što ti misliš o svemu i hoćeš li se ili nećeš cijepiti, nebitno je za nas... na kraju će biti ipak tvoja odluka.
Saveznike možeš tražiti isključivo među jednakima sebi, ali ne i među razumnim i odgovornim ljudima.
Ja i svi moji ćemo se cijepiti, od 16 godina pa nadalje. Bez obzira na tip cjepiva.
Eroo- Posts : 79092
2016-07-22
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drago mi je. norka će preživjeti
ja u ovih godinu dana ove "pandemije" sam bio u tri različita posla u kontaktu sa hrpom hrpom hrpom ljudi i nikada ništa... osim jedne gadnije viroze od 3-4 dana koju sam imao prošle godine 6mjesec, od tada me grlo nije zabolilo..
statistički je nevjerojatno da nisam bio u kontaktu sa virusom...dakle statistički sam vjerojatno bio u kontaktu sa virusom i nije mi ništa napravio, i fala bogu na tome ne trebam cijepivo.
tako da zahvaljujem što se brinete za moje zdravlje ali mi ne treba
ja u ovih godinu dana ove "pandemije" sam bio u tri različita posla u kontaktu sa hrpom hrpom hrpom ljudi i nikada ništa... osim jedne gadnije viroze od 3-4 dana koju sam imao prošle godine 6mjesec, od tada me grlo nije zabolilo..
statistički je nevjerojatno da nisam bio u kontaktu sa virusom...dakle statistički sam vjerojatno bio u kontaktu sa virusom i nije mi ništa napravio, i fala bogu na tome ne trebam cijepivo.
tako da zahvaljujem što se brinete za moje zdravlje ali mi ne treba
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AssadNaPodmornici- Posts : 22332
2018-06-14
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tko se boji neka se cijepi da više izađemo iz razdoblja u kojemu su političari i multimilijarderi postali zabrinuti za bake i djedove stoke sitnog zuba.AssadNaPodmornici wrote:drago mi je. norka će preživjeti
ja u ovih godinu dana ove "pandemije" sam bio u tri različita posla u kontaktu sa hrpom hrpom hrpom ljudi i nikada ništa... osim jedne gadnije viroze od 3-4 dana koju sam imao prošle godine 6mjesec, od tada me grlo nije zabolilo..
statistički je nevjerojatno da nisam bio u kontaktu sa virusom...dakle statistički sam vjerojatno bio u kontaktu sa virusom i nije mi ništa napravio, i fala bogu na tome ne trebam cijepivo.
tako da zahvaljujem što se brinete za moje zdravlje ali mi ne treba
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mutava baštarda- Posts : 21037
2015-09-14
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najjači mi je m. b.. lik mi je bio simpatičan do ove korone.. ali njegov portal upire za lockdown, i on osobno isto navija za lockdown(normalno kada u lockdownu okreće sve više love, a negdje sam čuo da ga kinezi kupili i podmazali u aziji da širi WHO, lockdown propagandu), a on sa druge putuje svijetom, ne nosi masku, ne drži distancu, obilazi restorane(neka drago mi je ali čemu upiranje za lockdown).. a on prije par mjeseci objavio status na fejsu, da Hrvati koji su protivlockdowna su ionako potomci ustaša koji su klali, pa im nije problem žrtvovati bake i djedove..mutava baštarda wrote:tko se boji neka se cijepi da više izađemo iz razdoblja u kojemu su političari i multimilijarderi postali zabrinuti za bake i djedove stoke sitnog zuba.AssadNaPodmornici wrote:drago mi je. norka će preživjeti
ja u ovih godinu dana ove "pandemije" sam bio u tri različita posla u kontaktu sa hrpom hrpom hrpom ljudi i nikada ništa... osim jedne gadnije viroze od 3-4 dana koju sam imao prošle godine 6mjesec, od tada me grlo nije zabolilo..
statistički je nevjerojatno da nisam bio u kontaktu sa virusom...dakle statistički sam vjerojatno bio u kontaktu sa virusom i nije mi ništa napravio, i fala bogu na tome ne trebam cijepivo.
tako da zahvaljujem što se brinete za moje zdravlje ali mi ne treba
kako rekoh hvala lopovskim političarima i pohlepnim miljarderima/eliti koji se obogatili u ovoj umjetno izazvanoj krizi, ne treba nam vaša "zabrinutost" i vaše "mjere" ...
kako ide ona paradigma "velikog reseta" - idealan kmet 21og stoljeća "-you will own nothing and you will be happy". a oni će imati sve i biti će "unhappy"
još malo pa gotovo, a na sve načine će ovi pokušati produžiti krizu. žao mi je ljudi, poput onoga komentara na indexu prije par dana kada je jedan komentira situaciju u sinju tipa ovako :D
"ja budala godinu dana slušam stožer i pridržavam se svih pravila što mi je stožer rekao, a oni u sinju žive i ponašaju se slobodno" :D ja mu napisao da je baš budala :D
poslušne ovce
AssadNaPodmornici- Posts : 22332
2018-06-14
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Ma proći će ovo još do ljeta i preuzimamo vodstvo.
Tko se boji cjepiva više od bolesti neka se ne cijepi.
Tko se boji bolesti više od cjepiva neka se cijepi.
Jedni prebolijevanjem, drugi cijepljenjem...riješit ćemo se beštije.
Tko se boji cjepiva više od bolesti neka se ne cijepi.
Tko se boji bolesti više od cjepiva neka se cijepi.
Jedni prebolijevanjem, drugi cijepljenjem...riješit ćemo se beštije.
epikur37- Posts : 45339
2015-08-06
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Re: Da remiziram...vol II.
gotovo je ovo za kojih par tjedana..
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AssadNaPodmornici- Posts : 22332
2018-06-14
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..da se donese zakon o zabrani približavanja necijepljenih onima koji su cijepljeni. Za početak, na primjer, na 5m.mutava baštarda wrote:tko se boji neka se cijepi da više izađemo iz razdoblja u kojemu su političari i multimilijarderi postali zabrinuti za bake i djedove stoke sitnog zuba.AssadNaPodmornici wrote:drago mi je. norka će preživjeti
ja u ovih godinu dana ove "pandemije" sam bio u tri različita posla u kontaktu sa hrpom hrpom hrpom ljudi i nikada ništa... osim jedne gadnije viroze od 3-4 dana koju sam imao prošle godine 6mjesec, od tada me grlo nije zabolilo..
statistički je nevjerojatno da nisam bio u kontaktu sa virusom...dakle statistički sam vjerojatno bio u kontaktu sa virusom i nije mi ništa napravio, i fala bogu na tome ne trebam cijepivo.
tako da zahvaljujem što se brinete za moje zdravlje ali mi ne treba
Diskriminacija je obostrana, tako da ste strane neće biti problema.
Eroo- Posts : 79092
2016-07-22
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Statistički gledano bio si prijenosnik zaraze.AssadNaPodmornici wrote:...dakle statistički sam vjerojatno bio u kontaktu sa virusom
Statistički gledano si vjerojatno nekoga i neohitice poslao na respirator.
Statistički gledano, 60% svih umrlih od COVID-19 dolazi s respiratora.
Statistika je zajebata stvar, jelda?
Eroo- Posts : 79092
2016-07-22
Re: Da remiziram...vol II.
nisam nikoga poslao na respirator, jer pazi ovo.. prvo kako sam rekao po stoti put, zdravi ljudi statistički ne šire virus. kada sam imao neki virozu , bio sam izoliran tih par dana i od tada ništa..
stariji ljudi, te debeli ljudi su vreće virusa.
treće, na sreću ne znam niti jednu osobu koja je umrla od korone. dakle ja osobno ne poznajem niti jednu osobu koja je umrla, čuo sam za neke , ali to sam čuo iz druge ruke tipa prijatelj zna, ili roditelji znaju itd., ja ne znam za niti jednu osobu.
pokušaj ponovo.
stariji ljudi, te debeli ljudi su vreće virusa.
treće, na sreću ne znam niti jednu osobu koja je umrla od korone. dakle ja osobno ne poznajem niti jednu osobu koja je umrla, čuo sam za neke , ali to sam čuo iz druge ruke tipa prijatelj zna, ili roditelji znaju itd., ja ne znam za niti jednu osobu.
pokušaj ponovo.
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AssadNaPodmornici- Posts : 22332
2018-06-14
Re: Da remiziram...vol II.
AssadNaPodmornici wrote:gotovo je ovo za kojih par tjedana..
Ne bih bio toliko optimističan...
Mislim da će kao bolest ostati, ali da ćemo ju iskontrolirati vremenom.
Kao što rekoh davno an indeksu, dvije su opcije: preboliti ili cijepiti se.
epikur37- Posts : 45339
2015-08-06
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