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aben wrote:

kic wrote:
da, nije lako štivo, iako kratko-

we described discipline as wat to maintain man contact with pain.

ne znos da si ziv ako nisi u kontaktu s boli,  ako si ne nametnes disciplinu

aben wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

aben wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

aben wrote:

ali na vikipediji ti piše..


Three companies operating in the United States have used the Pure Oil name. The first began as a group of independent oil refiners, producers, and pipeline operators, in fall 1895 in Butler, Pennsylvania, with headquarters in Pittsburgh, although it was incorporated in New Jersey. Pure was organized by independent interests to counter to the dominance of Standard Oil Company

By 1920 Exxon, BP and Royal Dutch/Shell dominated the world’s booming oil business, with the Rockefeller, Rothschild, Samuel, Nobel and Oppenheimer families, along with British and Dutch royals owning the brunt of their stock. Two other Rockefeller babies, Mobil and Chevron, weren’t far behind the Big Three. The Texas Murchison family – themselves patronized by the Rockefellers – controlled Texaco, while the Mellon family – with its own ties to the Rockefeller fortune – controlled Seventh Sister Gulf Oil.

pa to je 1920:)


dakle, navedene firme za vrime cjepkanja po šermanu i i uvrime ludlowa n isu bilo pod kontrolon rockfellera. 

https://www.ex-iskon-pleme.com/t39181p740-denkverbot#1578729

this is not a point.

On August 28, 1928, in the Scottish highlands, began the secret story of oil.

Three men had an appointment at Achnacarry Castle - a Dutchman, an American and an Englishman.

The Dutchman was Henry Deterding, a man nicknamed the Napoleon of Oil, having exploited a find in Sumatra. He joined forces with a rich ship owner and painted Shell salesman and together the two men founded Royal Dutch Shell.

The American was Walter C. Teagle and he represents the Standard Oil Company, founded by John D. Rockefeller at the age of 31 - the future Exxon. Oil wells, transport, refining and distribution of oil - everything is controlled by Standard oil.

The Englishman, Sir John Cadman, was the director of the Anglo-Persian oil Company, soon to become BP. On the initiative of a young Winston Churchill, the British government had taken a stake in BP and the Royal Navy switched its fuel from coal to oil. With fuel-hungry ships, planes and tanks, oil became "the blood of every battle".

The new automobile industry was developing fast, and the Ford T was selling by the million. The world was thirsty for oil, and companies were waging a merciless contest but the competition was making the market unstable.

That August night, the three men decided to stop fighting and to start sharing out the world's oil. Their vision was that production zones, transport costs, sales prices - everything would be agreed and shared. And so began a great cartel, whose purpose was to dominate the world, by controlling its oil.

Four others soon joined them, and they came to be known as the Seven Sisters - the biggest oil companies in the world.

ok, i kako su dogadjaji u buducnosti diktiraju trzisni udjel standard oila u proslosti?

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aben wrote:

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aben wrote:

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ovo ispod potvrđuje  ono što sam boldao:

Texaco history:

The company that grew into the world’s third-largest oil company began life as the Texas Co., founded in 1902 after the famed Spindletop gusher near Beaumont, Tex., opened that state’s oil fields. In fact, Texaco--the name it adopted in 1959-- was one of only two big U.S. oil companies (the other was Gulf) that were not part of John D. Rockefeller’s Standard Oil empire.

znači samo dvije firme nisu bile  dio Rockefeller monopola: Texaco i Gulf.

ali na vikipediji ti piše..


Three companies operating in the United States have used the Pure Oil name. The first began as a group of independent oil refiners, producers, and pipeline operators, in fall 1895 in Butler, Pennsylvania, with headquarters in Pittsburgh, although it was incorporated in New Jersey. Pure was organized by independent interests to counter to the dominance of Standard Oil Company

By 1920 Exxon, BP and Royal Dutch/Shell dominated the world’s booming oil business, with the Rockefeller, Rothschild, Samuel, Nobel and Oppenheimer families, along with British and Dutch royals owning the brunt of their stock. Two other Rockefeller babies, Mobil and Chevron, weren’t far behind the Big Three. The Texas Murchison family – themselves patronized by the Rockefellers – controlled Texaco, while the Mellon family – with its own ties to the Rockefeller fortune – controlled Seventh Sister Gulf Oil.

pa to je 1920:)


dakle, navedene firme za vrime cjepkanja po šermanu i i uvrime ludlowa n isu bilo pod kontrolon rockfellera. 

https://www.ex-iskon-pleme.com/t39181p740-denkverbot#1578729

this is not a point.

On August 28, 1928, in the Scottish highlands, began the secret story of oil.

Three men had an appointment at Achnacarry Castle - a Dutchman, an American and an Englishman.

The Dutchman was Henry Deterding, a man nicknamed the Napoleon of Oil, having exploited a find in Sumatra. He joined forces with a rich ship owner and painted Shell salesman and together the two men founded Royal Dutch Shell.

The American was Walter C. Teagle and he represents the Standard Oil Company, founded by John D. Rockefeller at the age of 31 - the future Exxon. Oil wells, transport, refining and distribution of oil - everything is controlled by Standard oil.

The Englishman, Sir John Cadman, was the director of the Anglo-Persian oil Company, soon to become BP. On the initiative of a young Winston Churchill, the British government had taken a stake in BP and the Royal Navy switched its fuel from coal to oil. With fuel-hungry ships, planes and tanks, oil became "the blood of every battle".

The new automobile industry was developing fast, and the Ford T was selling by the million. The world was thirsty for oil, and companies were waging a merciless contest but the competition was making the market unstable.

That August night, the three men decided to stop fighting and to start sharing out the world's oil. Their vision was that production zones, transport costs, sales prices - everything would be agreed and shared. And so began a great cartel, whose purpose was to dominate the world, by controlling its oil.

Four others soon joined them, and they came to be known as the Seven Sisters - the biggest oil companies in the world.

da su shell, pure oil, tesaco, citgo i sunco bili pod kontrolom Rockefellera

aben wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

aben wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

aben wrote:

ali na vikipediji ti piše..


Three companies operating in the United States have used the Pure Oil name. The first began as a group of independent oil refiners, producers, and pipeline operators, in fall 1895 in Butler, Pennsylvania, with headquarters in Pittsburgh, although it was incorporated in New Jersey. Pure was organized by independent interests to counter to the dominance of Standard Oil Company

By 1920 Exxon, BP and Royal Dutch/Shell dominated the world’s booming oil business, with the Rockefeller, Rothschild, Samuel, Nobel and Oppenheimer families, along with British and Dutch royals owning the brunt of their stock. Two other Rockefeller babies, Mobil and Chevron, weren’t far behind the Big Three. The Texas Murchison family – themselves patronized by the Rockefellers – controlled Texaco, while the Mellon family – with its own ties to the Rockefeller fortune – controlled Seventh Sister Gulf Oil.

pa to je 1920:)


dakle, navedene firme za vrime cjepkanja po šermanu i i uvrime ludlowa n isu bilo pod kontrolon rockfellera. 

https://www.ex-iskon-pleme.com/t39181p740-denkverbot#1578729

this is not a point.

On August 28, 1928, in the Scottish highlands, began the secret story of oil.

Three men had an appointment at Achnacarry Castle - a Dutchman, an American and an Englishman.

The Dutchman was Henry Deterding, a man nicknamed the Napoleon of Oil, having exploited a find in Sumatra. He joined forces with a rich ship owner and painted Shell salesman and together the two men founded Royal Dutch Shell.

The American was Walter C. Teagle and he represents the Standard Oil Company, founded by John D. Rockefeller at the age of 31 - the future Exxon. Oil wells, transport, refining and distribution of oil - everything is controlled by Standard oil.

The Englishman, Sir John Cadman, was the director of the Anglo-Persian oil Company, soon to become BP. On the initiative of a young Winston Churchill, the British government had taken a stake in BP and the Royal Navy switched its fuel from coal to oil. With fuel-hungry ships, planes and tanks, oil became "the blood of every battle".

The new automobile industry was developing fast, and the Ford T was selling by the million. The world was thirsty for oil, and companies were waging a merciless contest but the competition was making the market unstable.

That August night, the three men decided to stop fighting and to start sharing out the world's oil. Their vision was that production zones, transport costs, sales prices - everything would be agreed and shared. And so began a great cartel, whose purpose was to dominate the world, by controlling its oil.

Four others soon joined them, and they came to be known as the Seven Sisters - the biggest oil companies in the world.

ok, želiš reći 

da su shell, pure oil, tesaco, citgo i sunco bili pod kontrolom Rockefellera

1928?

kic wrote:
@aben, random thought - nije li Božje miješanje jezika kod Babilonova tornja, zapravo na neki način bio ipak dar - a ne kazna? ne stignem sad elaborirati, ali Liechtenstein me usmjerio na to..

Gnječ wrote:

kic wrote:
@aben, random thought - nije li Božje miješanje jezika kod Babilonova tornja, zapravo na neki način bio ipak dar - a ne kazna? ne stignem sad elaborirati, ali Liechtenstein me usmjerio na to..

jezik tj. riječ je alat. kao i svaki alat može služiti u korisne ali i destruktivne svrhe. mnogi su otkrili da "jezik" mogu koristiti kao oružje.

ebenica wrote:

aben wrote:
ni to strogo odvojena grupa, thing vs feel.  to je samo lipo upakirona cinjanica da je tebi vaznije kako neki siromah zivi, od principa.
dakle, suosjecanje for fellow man i zahtjev za poboljsanjem uvjetov bez obzira na pravednost s jedne strone i razumijevanje uzroka i stajanje uz pravednost bez obzira na poboljsanje uvjetov.

da  vecina toga ca ti recin ne uzimas za relevantno i to bez obasnjenja. smrade smrdljivi ni objasnjenje. sve da i napisen nesto ca nemo temelja u cinjenicami, jo to nika ne cu znati ca se tice tebe.

evo, vidis ti ov tvoj primjer...ca reci na to?
poanta je da je rockefeller bogat jer su ljudi minjali de svoje likvidne imovine za njegov proizvod, poanta je da su obadvi strone  u razmjeni dobrovoljne, a ne je li proizvod ki in je isporucen lampa ili kerozin.
svejedno, valjda ti je jasno da je rockefeller i dili i prodovo kerozinske lampe?

ako mislis da ih je samo dili muhte, reci mi, i ako ne nojden da ih je prodovo, banirat cu se.

isto kako je i tebi ljubav prema kapitalizmu važnija od toga kako živi prosječni siromah. jedina razlika je to što je meni čovjek bitan a tebi kapital, ja sam human a ti si materijalist. nema druge razlike.

bitno je koji im je proizvod isporučen jer si se ti pozvao na to da pišeš isključivo činjenice i jako je bitno što je njega učinilo bogatim čovjekom lampe ili petrolej. učinio ga je petrolej i kad sam ti ja napisao kako je došao do tržišta i tog petroleja ti si odgovorio: "puno si ti toga napisao ali nisi napisao jel li prodavao lampe" jer su lampe tebi bile uzrok njegovog bogatstva i argument:
"naprimjer, ljudi su se masovno odricali dela svoje likvidne  imovine u korist rockefellera u zamjenu za kerozinske lampe. učinili su ga nojbogatijin čovikon na svitu dok ga država ni sasikla na četire dela."
lampe je većinom dijelio i tvoja rečenica da su ga lampe učinile najbogatijim čovjekom na svijetu nema uporišta u činjenicama. 

ono što je sporno kod njegovog bogastva je način na koji je zavladao tržištem, clevlandski masakr, sjebavanje konkurencije cijenom prijevoza preko željeznice u toku velike panike gdje konkurenciji nije ostao izbor nego prodati da spasi što se može, to je njega učinilo bogatim, nikakve lampe i to sam potkrijepio linkovima i dokazima.



i da naravno da ću ti napisati da si smeće usrano jer sve što pišeš su parole zaljubljene kurvetine s posterom boy banda "kapitalizma" na svom zidu i dok si ti sit i dok ti je pička mokra spreman si lagat, izvrtat i izmišljat. 

a kad smo već kod lampi, evo kako je debilno govno dijelio te lampe:


The Rockefeller-owned Standard Oil monopoly, which was the largest company in the world at that time, made large capital investments to capture that market and provide “Oil for the Lamps of China“. The company gave away at least 8 million new kerosene lamps, branded with the “Mei Foo” name under which Standard Oil sold kerosene in the Chinese market, and sold millions more at ultra low prices, to create a demand for Standard Oil kerosene.

The low Chinese price was subsidized by Standard Oil’s above-normal profits in other markets. The company did this in order to acquire an opening wedge in the fabled China market…

Gnječ wrote:

aben wrote:

kic wrote:
da, nije lako štivo, iako kratko-

we described discipline as wat to maintain man contact with pain.

ne znos da si ziv ako nisi u kontaktu s boli,  ako si ne nametnes disciplinu

bol nije tu da bi te podsjetila da si živ nego je bol alarm da nešto nije u redu i signal koji te upozorava da izbjegavaš stvari žive ili nežive koje te mogu ozlijediti i ubiti. to je sva svrha boli.

kic wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

kic wrote:
@aben, random thought - nije li Božje miješanje jezika kod Babilonova tornja, zapravo na neki način bio ipak dar - a ne kazna? ne stignem sad elaborirati, ali Liechtenstein me usmjerio na to..

jezik tj. riječ je alat. kao i svaki alat može služiti u korisne ali i destruktivne svrhe. mnogi su otkrili da "jezik" mogu koristiti kao oružje.

ok, ima nešto u tome

zato mislim, da npr u boljim i iskrenijim i poštenijem odnosu su često dva stranca, Turčin i Indijac npr

nego Turčin i Kurd

iako ova druga dva dijele puno tog zajedničkog, između ostalog i pola jezika (koliko znam, jedan Turčin mi je rekao da ih smatraju dijelom svog naroda zapravo, malo divlju brdsku braću)

aben wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

aben wrote:

kic wrote:
da, nije lako štivo, iako kratko-

we described discipline as wat to maintain man contact with pain.

ne znos da si ziv ako nisi u kontaktu s boli,  ako si ne nametnes disciplinu

bol nije tu da bi te podsjetila da si živ nego je bol alarm da nešto nije u redu i signal koji te upozorava da izbjegavaš stvari žive ili nežive koje te mogu ozlijediti i ubiti. to je sva svrha boli.

ni to ota bol

Gnječ wrote:

kic wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

kic wrote:
@aben, random thought - nije li Božje miješanje jezika kod Babilonova tornja, zapravo na neki način bio ipak dar - a ne kazna? ne stignem sad elaborirati, ali Liechtenstein me usmjerio na to..

jezik tj. riječ je alat. kao i svaki alat može služiti u korisne ali i destruktivne svrhe. mnogi su otkrili da "jezik" mogu koristiti kao oružje.

ok, ima nešto u tome

zato mislim, da npr u boljim i iskrenijim i poštenijem odnosu su često dva stranca, Turčin i Indijac npr

nego Turčin i Kurd

iako ova druga dva dijele puno tog zajedničkog, između ostalog i pola jezika (koliko znam, jedan Turčin mi je rekao da ih smatraju dijelom svog naroda zapravo, malo divlju brdsku braću)

turci i indijci nisu u zavadi a turci i kurdi jesu. pakistanci i indijci su u zavadi. srbi i hrvati su u zavadi.

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aben wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

aben wrote:

Gnječ wrote:


By 1920 Exxon, BP and Royal Dutch/Shell dominated the world’s booming oil business, with the Rockefeller, Rothschild, Samuel, Nobel and Oppenheimer families, along with British and Dutch royals owning the brunt of their stock. Two other Rockefeller babies, Mobil and Chevron, weren’t far behind the Big Three. The Texas Murchison family – themselves patronized by the Rockefellers – controlled Texaco, while the Mellon family – with its own ties to the Rockefeller fortune – controlled Seventh Sister Gulf Oil.

pa to je 1920:)


dakle, navedene firme za vrime cjepkanja po šermanu i i uvrime ludlowa n isu bilo pod kontrolon rockfellera. 

https://www.ex-iskon-pleme.com/t39181p740-denkverbot#1578729

this is not a point.

On August 28, 1928, in the Scottish highlands, began the secret story of oil.

Three men had an appointment at Achnacarry Castle - a Dutchman, an American and an Englishman.

The Dutchman was Henry Deterding, a man nicknamed the Napoleon of Oil, having exploited a find in Sumatra. He joined forces with a rich ship owner and painted Shell salesman and together the two men founded Royal Dutch Shell.

The American was Walter C. Teagle and he represents the Standard Oil Company, founded by John D. Rockefeller at the age of 31 - the future Exxon. Oil wells, transport, refining and distribution of oil - everything is controlled by Standard oil.

The Englishman, Sir John Cadman, was the director of the Anglo-Persian oil Company, soon to become BP. On the initiative of a young Winston Churchill, the British government had taken a stake in BP and the Royal Navy switched its fuel from coal to oil. With fuel-hungry ships, planes and tanks, oil became "the blood of every battle".

The new automobile industry was developing fast, and the Ford T was selling by the million. The world was thirsty for oil, and companies were waging a merciless contest but the competition was making the market unstable.

That August night, the three men decided to stop fighting and to start sharing out the world's oil. Their vision was that production zones, transport costs, sales prices - everything would be agreed and shared. And so began a great cartel, whose purpose was to dominate the world, by controlling its oil.

Four others soon joined them, and they came to be known as the Seven Sisters - the biggest oil companies in the world.

ok, i kako su dogadjaji u buducnosti diktiraju trzisni udjel standard oila u proslosti?

opet te upozoravam da si skrenuo sa teme u trivijalna nadmudrivanja. ne zanima me tvoja ješka.

kic wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

kic wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

kic wrote:
@aben, random thought - nije li Božje miješanje jezika kod Babilonova tornja, zapravo na neki način bio ipak dar - a ne kazna? ne stignem sad elaborirati, ali Liechtenstein me usmjerio na to..

jezik tj. riječ je alat. kao i svaki alat može služiti u korisne ali i destruktivne svrhe. mnogi su otkrili da "jezik" mogu koristiti kao oružje.

ok, ima nešto u tome

zato mislim, da npr u boljim i iskrenijim i poštenijem odnosu su često dva stranca, Turčin i Indijac npr

nego Turčin i Kurd

iako ova druga dva dijele puno tog zajedničkog, između ostalog i pola jezika (koliko znam, jedan Turčin mi je rekao da ih smatraju dijelom svog naroda zapravo, malo divlju brdsku braću)

turci i indijci nisu u zavadi a turci i kurdi jesu. pakistanci i indijci su u zavadi. srbi i hrvati su u zavadi.

oni sebi sličniji su u zavadi, šta nije zanimljivo?

aben wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

aben wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

aben wrote:

pa to je 1920:)


dakle, navedene firme za vrime cjepkanja po šermanu i i uvrime ludlowa n isu bilo pod kontrolon rockfellera. 

https://www.ex-iskon-pleme.com/t39181p740-denkverbot#1578729

this is not a point.

On August 28, 1928, in the Scottish highlands, began the secret story of oil.

Three men had an appointment at Achnacarry Castle - a Dutchman, an American and an Englishman.

The Dutchman was Henry Deterding, a man nicknamed the Napoleon of Oil, having exploited a find in Sumatra. He joined forces with a rich ship owner and painted Shell salesman and together the two men founded Royal Dutch Shell.

The American was Walter C. Teagle and he represents the Standard Oil Company, founded by John D. Rockefeller at the age of 31 - the future Exxon. Oil wells, transport, refining and distribution of oil - everything is controlled by Standard oil.

The Englishman, Sir John Cadman, was the director of the Anglo-Persian oil Company, soon to become BP. On the initiative of a young Winston Churchill, the British government had taken a stake in BP and the Royal Navy switched its fuel from coal to oil. With fuel-hungry ships, planes and tanks, oil became "the blood of every battle".

The new automobile industry was developing fast, and the Ford T was selling by the million. The world was thirsty for oil, and companies were waging a merciless contest but the competition was making the market unstable.

That August night, the three men decided to stop fighting and to start sharing out the world's oil. Their vision was that production zones, transport costs, sales prices - everything would be agreed and shared. And so began a great cartel, whose purpose was to dominate the world, by controlling its oil.

Four others soon joined them, and they came to be known as the Seven Sisters - the biggest oil companies in the world.

ok, i kako su dogadjaji u buducnosti diktiraju trzisni udjel standard oila u proslosti?

opet te upozoravam da si skrenuo sa teme u trivijalna nadmudrivanja. ne zanima me tvoja ješka.

 

a ča da ti rečin? 
uboci si se u razgovor ebenice i mene o starijen rokefelleru, i o monopolu ki je un, stariji stvori. naravski, ni stvori monopol jer su postojale i druge tvrtke ke nisu bile pod njegovon kontrolon prije antitrust cjepkanja 1011. i to pokušavaš opravdati događajima ki su se dogodili nakon 1928.

a na vikipediji standard oila ti piše da ote tvrtke nisu bile pod kontrolin standard oila.

Gnječ wrote:

kic wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

kic wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

kic wrote:
@aben, random thought - nije li Božje miješanje jezika kod Babilonova tornja, zapravo na neki način bio ipak dar - a ne kazna? ne stignem sad elaborirati, ali Liechtenstein me usmjerio na to..

jezik tj. riječ je alat. kao i svaki alat može služiti u korisne ali i destruktivne svrhe. mnogi su otkrili da "jezik" mogu koristiti kao oružje.

ok, ima nešto u tome

zato mislim, da npr u boljim i iskrenijim i poštenijem odnosu su često dva stranca, Turčin i Indijac npr

nego Turčin i Kurd

iako ova druga dva dijele puno tog zajedničkog, između ostalog i pola jezika (koliko znam, jedan Turčin mi je rekao da ih smatraju dijelom svog naroda zapravo, malo divlju brdsku braću)

turci i indijci nisu u zavadi a turci i kurdi jesu. pakistanci i indijci su u zavadi. srbi i hrvati su u zavadi.

oni sebi sličniji su u zavadi, šta nije zanimljivo?

da. možda u većini slučajeva korijen te zavade leži u religiji.

kic wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

kic wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

kic wrote:

ok, ima nešto u tome

zato mislim, da npr u boljim i iskrenijim i poštenijem odnosu su često dva stranca, Turčin i Indijac npr

nego Turčin i Kurd

iako ova druga dva dijele puno tog zajedničkog, između ostalog i pola jezika (koliko znam, jedan Turčin mi je rekao da ih smatraju dijelom svog naroda zapravo, malo divlju brdsku braću)

turci i indijci nisu u zavadi a turci i kurdi jesu. pakistanci i indijci su u zavadi. srbi i hrvati su u zavadi.

oni sebi sličniji su u zavadi, šta nije zanimljivo?

da. možda u većini slučajeva korijen te zavade leži u religiji.

prije 20st nije postojalo ne-religijsko društvo.

aben wrote:a, sad razuzmin. ti si me dočeko ne na ideji da su ga ljudi svojevoljno učinili nojbogatijin čovikon na svitu, nego jesu li ga svojevoljno učinili nojbogatijin čovikon na svitu kupujući lampe?

kic wrote:
@aben, random thought - nije li Božje miješanje jezika kod Babilonova tornja, zapravo na neki način bio ipak dar - a ne kazna? ne stignem sad elaborirati, ali Liechtenstein me usmjerio na to..

Gnječ wrote:

aben wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

aben wrote:

kic wrote:
da, nije lako štivo, iako kratko-

we described discipline as wat to maintain man contact with pain.

ne znos da si ziv ako nisi u kontaktu s boli,  ako si ne nametnes disciplinu

bol nije tu da bi te podsjetila da si živ nego je bol alarm da nešto nije u redu i signal koji te upozorava da izbjegavaš stvari žive ili nežive koje te mogu ozlijediti i ubiti. to je sva svrha boli.

ni to ota bol

nego?