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Gnječ wrote:

aben wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

aben wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

znači ti bi u kapitalizmu bio bracciante agricolo odnosno farmworker. ti bi bra pome. wages of bracciante agricolo are very slim.

to bi voli. a ča bi bilo, ki to zno..

Sure you can get a job, but what good is the job if you can't live on what you make.

irelevantno. priča o kapitalizmu ni priča o životu, to je priča o pravednosti.

da, bilo bi pravedno da ti bereš pome i cucumare kod nekog kapitaliste u tvom kapitalizmu bi znao gdje ti je mjesto. napolju. bio bi nadničar kao i svi tvoji kolege uhljebi. ne bi onda imao ni para za kupit kompjuter ni vremena za srat po forumu peglao bi karticu i koristio bonove za hranu a vjerojatno bi noću bunario po kontejnerima za smeće i pecao boce i limenke. a ovrhe bi ti visile za vratom.

vrlo vjerojatno.
mislin, ne tako kako si opiso, ali definitivno bi bi zaposlenik a ne poslodavac

aben wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

aben wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

aben wrote:


ok, daj mi izvor za to

boldano.

ma jes jo ćorav, ili ne vidin da se u boldu spominje texaco?

ovo ispod potvrđuje  ono što sam boldao:

Texaco history:

The company that grew into the world’s third-largest oil company began life as the Texas Co., founded in 1902 after the famed Spindletop gusher near Beaumont, Tex., opened that state’s oil fields. In fact, Texaco--the name it adopted in 1959-- was one of only two big U.S. oil companies (the other was Gulf) that were not part of John D. Rockefeller’s Standard Oil empire.

znači samo dvije firme nisu bile  dio Rockefeller monopola: Texaco i Gulf.

ali na vikipediji ti piše..


Three companies operating in the United States have used the Pure Oil name. The first began as a group of independent oil refiners, producers, and pipeline operators, in fall 1895 in Butler, Pennsylvania, with headquarters in Pittsburgh, although it was incorporated in New Jersey. Pure was organized by independent interests to counter to the dominance of Standard Oil Company

By 1920 Exxon, BP and Royal Dutch/Shell dominated the world’s booming oil business, with the Rockefeller, Rothschild, Samuel, Nobel and Oppenheimer families, along with British and Dutch royals owning the brunt of their stock. Two other Rockefeller babies, Mobil and Chevron, weren’t far behind the Big Three. The Texas Murchison family – themselves patronized by the Rockefellers – controlled Texaco, while the Mellon family – with its own ties to the Rockefeller fortune – controlled Seventh Sister Gulf Oil.

While Americans are robbed at the gas pump, Exxon Mobil will this week report a 60% increase in its quarterly net profits to a cool $10 billion. Royal Dutch/Shell will report a 30% increase.

In 1975 British writer Anthony Sampson penned The Seven Sisters, bestowing a collective name on a shadowy oil cartel, which throughout its history has sought to eliminate competitors and control the world’s oil resource. Sampson’s “Seven Sisters” name came from independent Italian oil man Enrico Mattei.

In the 1960’s Mattei began negotiating with Algeria, Libya and other nationalistic OPEC states who wanted to sell their oil internationally without having to deal with the Seven Sisters. Algeria had a long history of defying Big Oil and was once ruled by President Houari Boumedienne, one of the great Arab socialist leaders of all time, who initiated the original ideas for a more just “New International Economic Order” in fiery speeches at the UN, where he encouraged producer cartels modeled on OPEC as a means to Third World emancipation.

In 1962 Mattei died in a mysterious plane crash. Former French intelligence agent Thyraud de Vosjoli says French intelligence was involved. William McHale of Time magazine, who covered Mattei’s attempt to break the Big Oil cartel, also died under strange circumstances.

A tidal wave of mergers at the turn of the millennium transformed Sampson’s Seven Sisters – Royal Dutch/Shell, British Petroleum, Exxon, Mobil, Chevron, Texaco and Gulf – into a more tightly controlled cartel which, in my book Big Oil & Their Bankers…, I term the Four Horsemen: Exxon Mobil, Chevron Texaco, BP Amoco and Royal Dutch/Shell.

By the late 1800’s John D. Rockefeller had become popularly known as “the Illumination Merchant” during a time when oil was powering the reading lamps of every American household. Rockefeller figured out that it was the refining of oil into various end products and not actual crude production which held the key to control of the industry.

By 1895 his Standard Oil Company owned 95% of all refineries in the US while expanding operations overseas. Summing up his attitude towards his new oil monopoly, Rockefeller once stated, “The day of combination is here to stay. Individualism is gone never to return”.

Rockefeller’s Standard Oil Trust began illuminating the New World with funding from Kuhn Loeb and Rothschild banking families. While the Rockefellers worked the American side of the energy matrix, the Rothschilds consolidated their control over Old World oil resources.

By 1892 Shell Oil, under the direction of Marcus Samuel, began shipping South Sea crude through the new Suez Canal to supply Europe’s factories. Shell took its name from the abundance of seashells which lined the shores of the Dutch-controlled archipelago that is now Indonesia. The Samuel family controls London’s biggest merchant bank Hill Samuel, along with the trading house Samuel Montagu.

In 1903 the Swedish Nobel and the French Rothschild’s Far East Trading – financed by King Wilhelm III – combined with Samuel and Oppenheimer’s Shell Oil to form the Asiatic Petroleum Company.

In 1927 Royal Dutch Petroleum discovered oil at Seria off the coast of Brunei, whose Sultan would become the world’s richest man as a result of his loyalty to Royal Dutch. The Dutch and British monarchs who control Royal Dutch merged their company with the Oppenheimer and Samuel’s Shell Oil and Nobel and Rothschild’s Far East Trading and Royal Dutch/Shell was born. Queen Beatrix of the Dutch House of Orange and Lord Victor Rothschild are its two largest shareholders.

In 1872 Baron Julius du Reuter was granted his 50-year concession in Iran. In 1914 the British government took control of his Anglo-Persian Company and renamed it Anglo-Iranian, then British Petroleum, then BP. Britain’s House of Windsor controls a large stake in BP Amoco while the Kuwaiti monarchy owns 9.5%.

In 1906 the US government ordered the dissolution of Rockefeller’s Standard Oil Trust, charging that Standard violated the new Sherman Anti-Trust Act. On May 15, 1911 the US Supreme Court declared, “Seven men and a corporate machine have conspired against their fellow citizens. For the safety of the Republic we now decree that this dangerous conspiracy must be ended by November 15th”.

But the breakup of Standard Oil along state lines only served to increase the wealth of the Rockefeller family, who retained 25% interest in each new company. Soon the new companies began to reintegrate.

The new Standard Oil of New York merged with Vacuum Oil to form Socony-Vacuum, which became Mobil in 1966. Standard Oil of Indiana joined with Standard Oil of Nebraska and Standard Oil of Kansas and in 1985 became Amoco. In 1972 Standard Oil of New Jersey became Exxon. In 1984 Standard Oil of California joined with Standard Oil Kentucky to become Chevron. Standard Oil of Ohio (Sohio) retained the Standard brand until it was bought by BP, which also bought trust-baby Atlantic Richfield (ARCO). Thus the Rockefellers came to own a large chunk of BP.

By 1920 Exxon, BP and Royal Dutch/Shell dominated the world’s booming oil business, with the Rockefeller, Rothschild, Samuel, Nobel and Oppenheimer families, along with British and Dutch royals owning the brunt of their stock. Two other Rockefeller babies, Mobil and Chevron, weren’t far behind the Big Three. The Texas Murchison family – themselves patronized by the Rockefellers – controlled Texaco, while the Mellon family – with its own ties to the Rockefeller fortune – controlled Seventh Sister Gulf Oil.

The first known attempt by the Seven Sisters to stifle competition came in 1928 when Sir John Cadman of British Petroleum, Sir Henry Deterding of Royal Dutch/Shell, Walter Teagle of Exxon and William Mellon of Gulf met at Cadman’s castle near Achnacarry, Scotland. Here an agreement was reached that would divide up the world’s oil reserves and markets.

The Achnacarry Agreement became known to oil industry insiders as the As Is Agreement because its aim was to maintain a status quo under which the Seven Sisters controlled the world’s oil through market share agreements, sharing of refining and storage facilities, and by agreeing to limit production to keep prices high.

Big Oil signed three more agreements in the next six years. The 1930 Memorandum of Understanding for European Markets was followed by the 1932 Heads of Agreement for Distribution and the 1934 Draft Memorandum of Principles.

Between 1931 and 1933 the Four Horsemen ruthlessly cut the price for East Texas crude from $.98/barrel to $.10/barrel. Many Texas wildcatters were run out of business. Those that remained were forced to agree to strict production quotas under threat of ruin by the majors – quotas that still exist to this day. It is these quotas, not “the environmentalists” (as the reactionary right claims) that serve to keep the US dependent on Persian Gulf oil, where Big Oil dominates the game.

By taking the oil industry international – which requires billions in capital – the Four Horsemen keep independent challenges to their hegemony at bay. They also put thousands of US oil workers out of jobs in Texas and Louisiana.

John D. Rockefeller himself did not control crude reserves. Instead he invested heavily in refining and cut deals with the Morgan-controlled railroads to cut his shipping costs. Texas wildcatters had to pay much more to ship their oil. They possessed neither the esoteric knowledge of refining crude, nor the capital to build expensive refineries. All their money was tied up in drilling rigs, which were not cheap either.

Today the Rockefeller family fortune is even more heavily invested in downstream oil operations such as petrochemicals and plastics, as well as in industries that are dependent on oil such as banking, aerospace and automobiles.

In the 1980’s long-time Chase Manhattan chairman David Rockefeller invested $35 billion in Singapore, which has since become an important refining and storage center. Royal Dutch/Shell’s largest single refinery is at Pulau Bukom, Singapore. In 1991, as the Asian Tigers began to roar, Exxon Mobil introduced unleaded gas to Thailand, Malaysia, Hong Kong and Singapore. It produces it at its giant Jurong refinery in Singapore.

The Four Horsemen have followed the money downstream. They are the world’s largest refiners and marketers of crude oil in all of its various end-product forms. RoyalDutch/Shell is both the leading marketer and refiner of crude oil and is currently the source of one in ten barrels of refined product in the world. Its bottom line has benefited greatly from this downstream move with the firm showing record profits starting in 1988 and many years since. Seventy-seven percent of Shell profits now come from petrochemicals.

Shell also owns the world’s largest refinery complex on the Netherlands Antilles island of Aruba, just off the Venezuelan coast. In 1991 Shell sold an outdated refinery on the neighboring island of Curacao while upgrading its Aruba facilities. The completion of this massive complex caused Venezuelan crude to become much more important to global oil supply. Crude from African nations like Nigeria and Angola is also refined at the Shell Aruba facility, which sits next to a hulking Exxon Mobil refinery named Lago, after Venezuela’s Lake Maracaibo, from where most Venezuelan crude is derived.

Royal Dutch/Shell is currently focused on development of natural gas markets, investing heavily in Middle Distillate Synthesis (MDS) plants that convert liquefied natural gas to high-grade liquid products. By 1996 they had built MDS facilities in Malaysia, Nigeria and Norway. In 1993 Shell joined with Mitsubishi and Exxon Mobil in a $3 billion natural gas project in Venezuela and launched a $1.1 billion petrochemical expansion in Brazil. That same year BP Amoco discovered huge oilfields in neighboring Columbia.

By 1969 Exxon owned 67 oil refineries in 37 countries. Over 60% of Exxon’s 1991 profits came from downstream operations. In the first quarter of that year alone, Exxon made a $2.4 billion profit, the highest quarterly profit since Rockefeller founded Standard Oil of New Jersey in 1882. It was no coincidence that the Gulf War was being prosecuted during this time, with Exxon meeting much of the demand generated by the US military and its allies.

In the early 1990’s Exxon bought the plastics division of Allied Signal and entered joint ventures with both Dow and Monsanto in the thermoplastic elastomer realm. According to Exxon Mobil’s 2001 10K filing to the SEC, the company netted $17 billion in year 2000. From 2003-2006, during the US occupation of Iraq, the company regularly broke its own record for biggest quarterly profit by any corporation in US history.

Recently the Four Horsemen have been swimming back upstream, becoming the top four retailers of gas in the US. They own every major pipeline in the world and the vast majority of oil tankers. Royal Dutch/Shell has 114 ships in its armada. Recently the company added seven giant liquefied natural gas tankers. Shell has 133,000 employees worldwide and in 1991, boasted assets of $105 billion. Shell’s Bullwinkle oil platform in the Gulf of Mexico is taller than the world’s highest building.

Exxon Mobil leads the way in producing lubricant base stocks and its scientists invented butyl rubber. It has operations in 200 countries and is the only firm that operates in the harsh Beaufort Sea, where it built 19 islands of steel to drill from. Exxon owns most of the land in Yemen (5.6 million acres), Oman and Chad. Its 1991 assets totaled $87 billion.

The latest wave of mergers in the oil industry began in the early 1960’s. Eight of the top twenty-five oil companies in 1960 had merged by 1970. Exxon bought Monterey Oil and Honolulu Oil. Chevron scooped up Standard Oil of Kentucky. Atlantic Oil merged with Richfield Refining to form ARCO, which then gobbled up Sinclair. Marathon Oil bought Plymouth Refining.

Another merger wave ensued in the 1980’s. Chevron bought Gulf in 1984. Texaco purchased Getty Oil. Mobil bought Superior Oil. BP grabbed both Britoil and Sohio (Standard Oil of Ohio). ARCO bought City Services. US Steel purchased Marathon Oil. The 1984 discovery of North Sea oil consolidated the position of Big Oil – especially Royal Dutch/Shell and Exxon – whose Shell Expro joint venture was awarded the prime concessions.

In 1985 Shell bought Occidental Petroleum’s Columbian interests. In 1988 it took over Tenneco’s assets in that country. The 1990’s saw Amoco (Standard Oil of IN) hitching its wagons to BP to form BP Amoco. In 1999 BP Amoco bought ARCO, giving the company 72% ownership of the Alaskan Pipeline.

Exxon bought Texaco Canada and Mexico’s Compania General de Lubricantes in 1991. Conoco was purchased by DuPont. In March 1997, Texaco and RD/Shell merged their US refining operations.

The final and most dramatic wave of consolidation saw Exxon merge with Mobil in November 1999. That same year Chevron bought Thailand’s Rutherford-Moran Oil and Argentina’s Petrolera Argentina San Jorge. In July 2000 Chevron merged its petrochemical business with that of Phillips to form Chevron Phillips Chemical Company. That same year Chevron tied the knot with Texaco.

On August 30, 2002 Conoco’s merger with Phillips Petroleum was approved creating Conoco Phillips, which in 2005 bought coal titan Burlington Resources. In 2002 Royal Dutch/Shell bought up previously merged Pennzoil/Quaker State as well as Britain’s biggest remaining independent oil company – Enterprise Oil. In 2005 Chevron Texaco bought Unocal. And Four Horsemen rode on.

The Four Horsemen have interlocking directorates with the international mega-banks. Exxon Mobil shares board members with JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Deutsche Bank, Royal Bank of Canada and Prudential. Chevron Texaco has interlocks with Bank of America and JP Morgan Chase. BP Amoco shares directors with JP Morgan Chase. RD/Shell has ties with Citigroup, JP Morgan Chase, N. M. Rothschild & Sons and Bank of England.

Former Citibank chairman Walter Shipley sat on Exxon Mobil’s board, as did Wayne Calloway of Citigroup and Allen Murray of JP Morgan Chase. Willard Butcher of Chase sat on the board of Chevron Texaco. Former Fed chairman Alan Greenspan came from Morgan Guaranty Trust and served on the board of Mobil. BP Amoco director Lewis Preston went on to become president of the World Bank.

Other BP Amoco directors have included Sir Eric Drake, the #2 man at the world’s largest port operator P&O Nedlloyd and a director at Hudson Bay Company and Kleinwort Benson. William Johnston Keswick, whose family controls Hong Kong powerhouse Jardine Matheson, also sat on the board of BP Amoco. Keswick’s son is a director at HSBC. The Hong Kong connection is even stronger at RD/Shell.

Lord Armstrong of Ilminster sat on the boards of RD/Shell, N. M. Rothschild & Sons, Rio Tinto and Inchcape. Cathay Pacific Airlines owner and HSBC insider Sir John Swire was a director at Shell, as was Sir Peter Orr, who joins Armstrong on Inchape’s board. Shell director Sir Peter Baxendell joins Armstrong on the board of Rio Tinto, while Shell’s Sir Robert Clark sits on the board of the Bank of England.

As a result of the deregulation craze in the US companies no longer have to report their top shareholders to the SEC. According to 1993 10K reports filed by the Four Horsemen, the Rothschild, Rockefeller and Warburg banking combines still control Big Oil. The Rockefellers exert control through New York mega-banks and Banker’s Trust, which in 1999 was purchased by Warburg-controlled Deutsche Bank in its bid to become the largest bank in the world.

As of 1993 Banker’s Trust was #1 shareholder in Exxon. Chemical Bank was #4 and J.P. Morgan was #5. Both are now part of JP Morgan Chase. Banker’s Trust was also leading shareholder at Mobil. BP listed Morgan Guaranty as its biggest owner in 1993, while Amoco listed Banker’s Trust as its #2 shareholder. Chevron listed Banker’s Trust as its #5 shareholder, while Texaco listed J.P. Morgan as its #4 owner and Banker’s Trust as #9.

Thus, Deutsche Bank and JP Morgan Chase – the banks of Warburg and Rockefeller – have increased shares in Exxon Mobil, BP Amoco and Chevron Texaco. Rothschild-controlled Bank of America and Wells Fargo exert West Coast control over Big Oil, while Mellon Bank also remains a big player. Wells Fargo and Mellon Bank were both top 10 shareholders of Exxon Mobil, Chevron Texaco and BP Amoco as of 1993.

Information on RD/Shell is harder to obtain since they are registered in the UK and Holland and are not required to file 10K reports. It is 60% owned by Royal Dutch Petroleum of Holland and 40% owned by Shell Trading & Transport of the UK. The company has only 14,000 stockholders and few directors. The consensus from researchers is that Royal Dutch/Shell is still controlled by the Rothschild, Oppenheimer, Nobel and Samuel families along with the British House of Windsor and the Dutch House of Orange.

Queen Beatrix of the Dutch House of Orange and Lord Victor Rothschild are the two largest shareholders of RD/Shell. Queen Beatix’ mother Juliana was once the richest woman in the world and a patroness of the right-wing occult movement. Prince Bernhard, who married Juliana in 1937, was a member of the Hitler Youth Movement, the Nazi SS and an employee of Nazi combine I. G. Farben. He sits on the boards of over 300 European companies and founded the Bilderbergers.

When you’re being robbed, it’s always a good idea to be able to identify the perp. Now if only we could get the cops to bring em’ in…

Gnječ wrote:

aben wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

aben wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

boldano.

ma jes jo ćorav, ili ne vidin da se u boldu spominje texaco?

ovo ispod potvrđuje  ono što sam boldao:

Texaco history:

The company that grew into the world’s third-largest oil company began life as the Texas Co., founded in 1902 after the famed Spindletop gusher near Beaumont, Tex., opened that state’s oil fields. In fact, Texaco--the name it adopted in 1959-- was one of only two big U.S. oil companies (the other was Gulf) that were not part of John D. Rockefeller’s Standard Oil empire.

znači samo dvije firme nisu bile  dio Rockefeller monopola: Texaco i Gulf.

ali na vikipediji ti piše..


Three companies operating in the United States have used the Pure Oil name. The first began as a group of independent oil refiners, producers, and pipeline operators, in fall 1895 in Butler, Pennsylvania, with headquarters in Pittsburgh, although it was incorporated in New Jersey. Pure was organized by independent interests to counter to the dominance of Standard Oil Company

By 1920 Exxon, BP and Royal Dutch/Shell dominated the world’s booming oil business, with the Rockefeller, Rothschild, Samuel, Nobel and Oppenheimer families, along with British and Dutch royals owning the brunt of their stock. Two other Rockefeller babies, Mobil and Chevron, weren’t far behind the Big Three. The Texas Murchison family – themselves patronized by the Rockefellers – controlled Texaco, while the Mellon family – with its own ties to the Rockefeller fortune – controlled Seventh Sister Gulf Oil.

pa to je 1920:)


dakle, navedene firme za vrime cjepkanja po šermanu i i uvrime ludlowa n isu bilo pod kontrolon rockfellera. 

https://www.ex-iskon-pleme.com/t39181p740-denkverbot#1578729

kako samo grčevito želite da sun u krivu...



well, sutra je novi dun, morete pokušati ponovno:)

aben wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

aben wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

aben wrote:
ma jes jo ćorav, ili ne vidin da se u boldu spominje texaco?

ovo ispod potvrđuje  ono što sam boldao:

Texaco history:

The company that grew into the world’s third-largest oil company began life as the Texas Co., founded in 1902 after the famed Spindletop gusher near Beaumont, Tex., opened that state’s oil fields. In fact, Texaco--the name it adopted in 1959-- was one of only two big U.S. oil companies (the other was Gulf) that were not part of John D. Rockefeller’s Standard Oil empire.

znači samo dvije firme nisu bile  dio Rockefeller monopola: Texaco i Gulf.

ali na vikipediji ti piše..


Three companies operating in the United States have used the Pure Oil name. The first began as a group of independent oil refiners, producers, and pipeline operators, in fall 1895 in Butler, Pennsylvania, with headquarters in Pittsburgh, although it was incorporated in New Jersey. Pure was organized by independent interests to counter to the dominance of Standard Oil Company

By 1920 Exxon, BP and Royal Dutch/Shell dominated the world’s booming oil business, with the Rockefeller, Rothschild, Samuel, Nobel and Oppenheimer families, along with British and Dutch royals owning the brunt of their stock. Two other Rockefeller babies, Mobil and Chevron, weren’t far behind the Big Three. The Texas Murchison family – themselves patronized by the Rockefellers – controlled Texaco, while the Mellon family – with its own ties to the Rockefeller fortune – controlled Seventh Sister Gulf Oil.

pa to je 1920:)


dakle, navedene firme za vrime cjepkanja po šermanu i i uvrime ludlowa n isu bilo pod kontrolon rockfellera. 

https://www.ex-iskon-pleme.com/t39181p740-denkverbot#1578729

this is not a point.

On August 28, 1928, in the Scottish highlands, began the secret story of oil.

Three men had an appointment at Achnacarry Castle - a Dutchman, an American and an Englishman.

The Dutchman was Henry Deterding, a man nicknamed the Napoleon of Oil, having exploited a find in Sumatra. He joined forces with a rich ship owner and painted Shell salesman and together the two men founded Royal Dutch Shell.

The American was Walter C. Teagle and he represents the Standard Oil Company, founded by John D. Rockefeller at the age of 31 - the future Exxon. Oil wells, transport, refining and distribution of oil - everything is controlled by Standard oil.

The Englishman, Sir John Cadman, was the director of the Anglo-Persian oil Company, soon to become BP. On the initiative of a young Winston Churchill, the British government had taken a stake in BP and the Royal Navy switched its fuel from coal to oil. With fuel-hungry ships, planes and tanks, oil became "the blood of every battle".

The new automobile industry was developing fast, and the Ford T was selling by the million. The world was thirsty for oil, and companies were waging a merciless contest but the competition was making the market unstable.

That August night, the three men decided to stop fighting and to start sharing out the world's oil. Their vision was that production zones, transport costs, sales prices - everything would be agreed and shared. And so began a great cartel, whose purpose was to dominate the world, by controlling its oil.

Four others soon joined them, and they came to be known as the Seven Sisters - the biggest oil companies in the world.

aben wrote:kako samo grčevito želite da sun u krivu...



well, sutra je novi dun, morete pokušati ponovno:)

mene boli kurac samo promatram kako ti grčevito želiš da smo mi u krivu.

Postoji li neki upis u kojem Aben pise da nije bio u pravu!? Onako, kao netko tko izbjegava proturjecnosti, tko se sluzi zavidnim poznavanjem logike, sigurno je bio dovoljno posten pa priznao da je "druga strana" bila u pravu ili imala bolje argumente. Argumente, je l', ne retoricke trikove i sofisticka izmotavanja.

Ima li takav upis, Abene?

Gnječ wrote:

aben wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

aben wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

ovo ispod potvrđuje  ono što sam boldao:

Texaco history:

The company that grew into the world’s third-largest oil company began life as the Texas Co., founded in 1902 after the famed Spindletop gusher near Beaumont, Tex., opened that state’s oil fields. In fact, Texaco--the name it adopted in 1959-- was one of only two big U.S. oil companies (the other was Gulf) that were not part of John D. Rockefeller’s Standard Oil empire.

znači samo dvije firme nisu bile  dio Rockefeller monopola: Texaco i Gulf.

ali na vikipediji ti piše..


Three companies operating in the United States have used the Pure Oil name. The first began as a group of independent oil refiners, producers, and pipeline operators, in fall 1895 in Butler, Pennsylvania, with headquarters in Pittsburgh, although it was incorporated in New Jersey. Pure was organized by independent interests to counter to the dominance of Standard Oil Company

By 1920 Exxon, BP and Royal Dutch/Shell dominated the world’s booming oil business, with the Rockefeller, Rothschild, Samuel, Nobel and Oppenheimer families, along with British and Dutch royals owning the brunt of their stock. Two other Rockefeller babies, Mobil and Chevron, weren’t far behind the Big Three. The Texas Murchison family – themselves patronized by the Rockefellers – controlled Texaco, while the Mellon family – with its own ties to the Rockefeller fortune – controlled Seventh Sister Gulf Oil.

pa to je 1920:)


dakle, navedene firme za vrime cjepkanja po šermanu i i uvrime ludlowa n isu bilo pod kontrolon rockfellera. 

https://www.ex-iskon-pleme.com/t39181p740-denkverbot#1578729

this is not a point.

On August 28, 1928, in the Scottish highlands, began the secret story of oil.

Three men had an appointment at Achnacarry Castle - a Dutchman, an American and an Englishman.

The Dutchman was Henry Deterding, a man nicknamed the Napoleon of Oil, having exploited a find in Sumatra. He joined forces with a rich ship owner and painted Shell salesman and together the two men founded Royal Dutch Shell.

The American was Walter C. Teagle and he represents the Standard Oil Company, founded by John D. Rockefeller at the age of 31 - the future Exxon. Oil wells, transport, refining and distribution of oil - everything is controlled by Standard oil.

The Englishman, Sir John Cadman, was the director of the Anglo-Persian oil Company, soon to become BP. On the initiative of a young Winston Churchill, the British government had taken a stake in BP and the Royal Navy switched its fuel from coal to oil. With fuel-hungry ships, planes and tanks, oil became "the blood of every battle".

The new automobile industry was developing fast, and the Ford T was selling by the million. The world was thirsty for oil, and companies were waging a merciless contest but the competition was making the market unstable.

That August night, the three men decided to stop fighting and to start sharing out the world's oil. Their vision was that production zones, transport costs, sales prices - everything would be agreed and shared. And so began a great cartel, whose purpose was to dominate the world, by controlling its oil.

Four others soon joined them, and they came to be known as the Seven Sisters - the biggest oil companies in the world.

ok, i kako su dogadjaji u buducnosti diktiraju trzisni udjel standard oila u proslosti?

violator wrote:Postoji li neki upis u kojem Aben pise da nije bio u pravu!? Onako, kao netko tko izbjegava proturjecnosti, tko se sluzi zavidnim poznavanjem logike, sigurno je bio dovoljno posten pa priznao da je "druga strana" bila u pravu ili imala bolje argumente. Argumente, je l', ne retoricke trikove i sofisticka izmotavanja.

Ima li takav upis, Abene?

un ki izbegava proturjecnosti i sluzibse zavidbin poznavanjen logike, tesko je da ce biti u krivu, pogotovo ka je suocen s osjecajnim sugovornicima.

u principu, mislin da ga nemo. jo pazin ca pisen. ni mi tesko provjeriti ca se provjeriti more tipa ove fakte iz povijesti, sluzin se dosta kondicionalima, oprezan is kvantifikatorima, ne brzan is zakljuccima, ako mi ni jasno postavljan pitanja..na takov nocin je tesko nesti krivo napisati, iako je poanta izlaganja da mi neko nojde grjesku.

mislin da sun krivo predvidi predsjednika na proslin izborima, i masovnahisterija mi je jednon ukozo na apsurdnost sintagme "apsolutno irelevantno" ili nesto slicno s rijeci apsolutno, ( see what i did there), reko sun ebenici da je skladistar jer posta nocu...takovih grjesaka vjerojatno imo. svejedno, ki mi nojde bilokakovu grjesku, ne miin na tipkanje, jo cu za svaku uzesti ban na jedun dun.

http://archive.org/details/OnPain/page/n3/mode/2up

evo jedan otklon od teme možda, ako se nekome čita neki esej..

po meni je ovo sjajan pisac, i vidi se da je "mržnja prema buržujima" nekog totalitarnog izvora..

aben wrote:

violator wrote:Postoji li neki upis u kojem Aben pise da nije bio u pravu!? Onako, kao netko tko izbjegava proturjecnosti, tko se sluzi zavidnim poznavanjem logike, sigurno je bio dovoljno posten pa priznao da je "druga strana" bila u pravu ili imala bolje argumente. Argumente, je l', ne retoricke trikove i sofisticka izmotavanja.

Ima li takav upis, Abene?

un ki izbegava proturjecnosti i sluzibse zavidbin poznavanjen logike, tesko je da ce biti u krivu, pogotovo ka je suocen s osjecajnim sugovornicima.

u principu, mislin da ga nemo. jo pazin ca pisen. ni mi tesko provjeriti ca se provjeriti more tipa ove fakte iz povijesti, sluzin se dosta kondicionalima, oprezan is kvantifikatorima, ne brzan is zakljuccima, ako mi ni jasno postavljan pitanja..na takov nocin je tesko nesti krivo napisati, iako je poanta izlaganja da mi neko nojde grjesku.

mislin da sun krivo predvidi predsjednika na proslin izborima, i masovnahisterija mi je jednon ukozo na apsurdnost sintagme "apsolutno irelevantno" ili nesto slicno s rijeci apsolutno, ( see what i did there), reko sun ebenici da je skladistar jer posta nocu...takovih grjesaka vjerojatno imo. svejedno, ki mi nojde bilokakovu grjesku, ne miin na tipkanje, jo cu za svaku uzesti ban na jedun dun.

zanimljivo je kako ti predbacuješ osjećajnost tako ludo zaljubljen u kapitalizam.  naravno da predmet obožavanja (pazi opet osjećaji) nije podložan kritici, pitaj bilo koju tinejdžericu sa posterom boy banda na zidu ;)
ništa kaj ti napišeš nema uporište u činjenicama, sve je zasnovano na parolama. i znam da bi ti volio da si meni nešto napisao pa da te ja primjetim i uvažavam kao nešto relevantno ali nisi, slijep od ljubavi, ljubice moja mala, nisi meni napisao da radim u skladištu.
a što se tiče bana? pa iamo probat.
prvo si naveo kao primjer pravednosti kapitalizma činjenicu da su se ljudi odricali svoje imovine za rockefellerove lampe. što nije istinito jer je lampe dijelio a jedino što su od njega mogli kupiti je petrolej valjda, lampe i petrolej nije isto, niti je činjenica niti si se ti mučio to provjeriti. jedan dan?

kic wrote:
http://archive.org/details/OnPain/page/n3/mode/2up

evo jedan otklon od teme možda, ako se nekome čita neki esej..

po meni je ovo sjajan pisac, i vidi se da je "mržnja prema buržujima" nekog totalitarnog izvora..

ne volin ovakov stil, previse je neprecizan. recenice imaju unutarnju logiku, ali izvunka su zo me neprobojne, jesnostavno ne zun ca je hoti reci.
ali generalno, pain je odlican kriterij, iako bijeg od boli ne vidin ko ekskluzivu moderne i postmoderne, un je tote samo naglaseniji.

nojbolja linija u studiji ( ku sun uspi razumiti) je disciplina.
evo par noteworthy screenshotova.





rejection of sacrifice

odnos prema zrtvama prometa, zrtve opasnih poslova


lumpenproleteri

da, nije lako štivo, iako kratko-

ebenica wrote:

aben wrote:

violator wrote:Postoji li neki upis u kojem Aben pise da nije bio u pravu!? Onako, kao netko tko izbjegava proturjecnosti, tko se sluzi zavidnim poznavanjem logike, sigurno je bio dovoljno posten pa priznao da je "druga strana" bila u pravu ili imala bolje argumente. Argumente, je l', ne retoricke trikove i sofisticka izmotavanja.

Ima li takav upis, Abene?

un ki izbegava proturjecnosti i sluzibse zavidbin poznavanjen logike, tesko je da ce biti u krivu, pogotovo ka je suocen s osjecajnim sugovornicima.

u principu, mislin da ga nemo. jo pazin ca pisen. ni mi tesko provjeriti ca se provjeriti more tipa ove fakte iz povijesti, sluzin se dosta kondicionalima, oprezan is kvantifikatorima, ne brzan is zakljuccima, ako mi ni jasno postavljan pitanja..na takov nocin je tesko nesti krivo napisati, iako je poanta izlaganja da mi neko nojde grjesku.

mislin da sun krivo predvidi predsjednika na proslin izborima, i masovnahisterija mi je jednon ukozo na apsurdnost sintagme "apsolutno irelevantno" ili nesto slicno s rijeci apsolutno, ( see what i did there), reko sun ebenici da je skladistar jer posta nocu...takovih grjesaka vjerojatno imo. svejedno, ki mi nojde bilokakovu grjesku, ne miin na tipkanje, jo cu za svaku uzesti ban na jedun dun.

zanimljivo je kako ti predbacuješ osjećajnost tako ludo zaljubljen u kapitalizam.  naravno da predmet obožavanja (pazi opet osjećaji) nije podložan kritici, pitaj bilo koju tinejdžericu sa posterom boy banda na zidu ;)
ništa kaj ti napišeš nema uporište u činjenicama, sve je zasnovano na parolama. i znam da bi ti volio da si meni nešto napisao pa da te ja primjetim i uvažavam kao nešto relevantno ali nisi, slijep od ljubavi, ljubice moja mala, nisi meni napisao da radim u skladištu.
a što se tiče bana? pa iamo probat.
prvo si naveo kao primjer pravednosti kapitalizma činjenicu da su se ljudi odricali svoje imovine za rockefellerove lampe. što nije istinito jer je lampe dijelio a jedino što su od njega mogli kupiti je petrolej valjda, lampe i petrolej nije isto, niti je činjenica niti si se ti mučio to provjeriti. jedan dan?

ni to strogo odvojena grupa, thing vs feel. to je samo lipo upakirona cinjanica da je tebi vaznije kako neki siromah zivi, od principa.
dakle, suosjecanje for fellow man i zahtjev za poboljsanjem uvjetov bez obzira na pravednost s jedne strone i razumijevanje uzroka i stajanje uz pravednost bez obzira na poboljsanje uvjetov.

da vecina toga ca ti recin ne uzimas za relevantno i to bez obasnjenja. smrade smrdljivi ni objasnjenje. sve da i napisen nesto ca nemo temelja u cinjenicami, jo to nika ne cu znati ca se tice tebe.

evo, vidis ti ov tvoj primjer...ca reci na to?
poanta je da je rockefeller bogat jer su ljudi minjali de svoje likvidne imovine za njegov proizvod, poanta je da su obadvi strone u razmjeni dobrovoljne, a ne je li proizvod ki in je isporucen lampa ili kerozin.
svejedno, valjda ti je jasno da je rockefeller i dili i prodovo kerozinske lampe?

ako mislis da ih je samo dili muhte, reci mi, i ako ne nojden da ih je prodovo, banirat cu se.

kic wrote:
da, nije lako štivo, iako kratko-

we described discipline as wat to maintain man contact with pain.

ne znos da si ziv ako nisi u kontaktu s boli, ako si ne nametnes disciplinu

aben wrote:

kic wrote:
da, nije lako štivo, iako kratko-

we described discipline as wat to maintain man contact with pain.

ne znos da si ziv ako nisi u kontaktu s boli,  ako si ne nametnes disciplinu

bolje si sam naći disciplinu, nego da ti bude nametnuta, in short

aben wrote:
ni to strogo odvojena grupa, thing vs feel.  to je samo lipo upakirona cinjanica da je tebi vaznije kako neki siromah zivi, od principa.
dakle, suosjecanje for fellow man i zahtjev za poboljsanjem uvjetov bez obzira na pravednost s jedne strone i razumijevanje uzroka i stajanje uz pravednost bez obzira na poboljsanje uvjetov.

da  vecina toga ca ti recin ne uzimas za relevantno i to bez obasnjenja. smrade smrdljivi ni objasnjenje. sve da i napisen nesto ca nemo temelja u cinjenicami, jo to nika ne cu znati ca se tice tebe.

evo, vidis ti ov tvoj primjer...ca reci na to?
poanta je da je rockefeller bogat jer su ljudi minjali de svoje likvidne imovine za njegov proizvod, poanta je da su obadvi strone  u razmjeni dobrovoljne, a ne je li proizvod ki in je isporucen lampa ili kerozin.
svejedno, valjda ti je jasno da je rockefeller i dili i prodovo kerozinske lampe?

ako mislis da ih je samo dili muhte, reci mi, i ako ne nojden da ih je prodovo, banirat cu se.

isto kako je i tebi ljubav prema kapitalizmu važnija od toga kako živi prosječni siromah. jedina razlika je to što je meni čovjek bitan a tebi kapital, ja sam human a ti si materijalist. nema druge razlike.

bitno je koji im je proizvod isporučen jer si se ti pozvao na to da pišeš isključivo činjenice i jako je bitno što je njega učinilo bogatim čovjekom lampe ili petrolej. učinio ga je petrolej i kad sam ti ja napisao kako je došao do tržišta i tog petroleja ti si odgovorio: "puno si ti toga napisao ali nisi napisao jel li prodavao lampe" jer su lampe tebi bile uzrok njegovog bogatstva i argument:
"naprimjer, ljudi su se masovno odricali dela svoje likvidne  imovine u korist rockefellera u zamjenu za kerozinske lampe. učinili su ga nojbogatijin čovikon na svitu dok ga država ni sasikla na četire dela."
lampe je većinom dijelio i tvoja rečenica da su ga lampe učinile najbogatijim čovjekom na svijetu nema uporišta u činjenicama.

ono što je sporno kod njegovog bogastva je način na koji je zavladao tržištem, clevlandski masakr, sjebavanje konkurencije cijenom prijevoza preko željeznice u toku velike panike gdje konkurenciji nije ostao izbor nego prodati da spasi što se može, to je njega učinilo bogatim, nikakve lampe i to sam potkrijepio linkovima i dokazima.



i da naravno da ću ti napisati da si smeće usrano jer sve što pišeš su parole zaljubljene kurvetine s posterom boy banda "kapitalizma" na svom zidu i dok si ti sit i dok ti je pička mokra spreman si lagat, izvrtat i izmišljat.



a kad smo već kod lampi, evo kako je debilno govno dijelio te lampe:


The Rockefeller-owned Standard Oil monopoly, which was the largest company in the world at that time, made large capital investments to capture that market and provide “Oil for the Lamps of China“. The company gave away at least 8 million new kerosene lamps, branded with the “Mei Foo” name under which Standard Oil sold kerosene in the Chinese market, and sold millions more at ultra low prices, to create a demand for Standard Oil kerosene.

The low Chinese price was subsidized by Standard Oil’s above-normal profits in other markets. The company did this in order to acquire an opening wedge in the fabled China market…

Arguing with someone who thinks they are always right can be frustrating.

I have been interviewing people for over 30 years and I've noticed one startling thing. The smarter someone is -- in the sense of being awake and aware, attuned to their surroundings and curious about the wider world -- the more humble they tend to be.

One reason so many smart and talented people doubt themselves is that they know the world is vast and their own knowledge is limited.

They may have terrific experience and incredible judgment, but they also know that they'll never know everything there is to know, even about their favorite subjects.

Less-capable, less-curious people don't doubt themselves a bit. They'll tell an interviewer "I am an expert in every single aspect of this topic." They aren't exaggerating -- they really believe it.

That kind of bravado is cute in a small child. In an adult, it's alarming. Unfortunately, a lot of the people who believe they have nothing to learn are in leadership positions where they get to hire and manage other people.

It is very difficult for a person to learn anything new when their mind is closed. Their mind is closed if they feel that they have nothing else to learn.