Nedostatak radnika uzrokovao pad plaća

prckov wrote:

kaya wrote:

prckov wrote:placa za zadnje poslove uvjek padne kad se uveze vise radnika iz siromasnijih zemalja
to je ovdje kod mene redovno slucaj
radnici se placaju po satu, nema veze koliko radnika ima osim sto ce duze radit poso ako ih je manje, a profit je isti I gazdi I radnicima jer gazda je pogodio poso a radnici placu u satima
ako nema radnika nek gazda privuce radnike konkurentnom placom

Cuj poduzetnika, nema veze koliko radnika ima. Pa o broju radnika mu ovisi posao, nece raditi dvije zgrade sa deset radnika nego jedino garazu moze..

onda radi male poslove
male gazde=mali poslovi
a velike obratno
ili nek mali gazda ugovori veliki poso I privuce puno radnika placom namigusom

Al sto ako ih  nema, ispucane su kvote , domacih nema, on mora smanjiti posao.

kaya wrote:

prckov wrote:

kaya wrote:

prckov wrote:placa za zadnje poslove uvjek padne kad se uveze vise radnika iz siromasnijih zemalja
to je ovdje kod mene redovno slucaj
radnici se placaju po satu, nema veze koliko radnika ima osim sto ce duze radit poso ako ih je manje, a profit je isti I gazdi I radnicima jer gazda je pogodio poso a radnici placu u satima
ako nema radnika nek gazda privuce radnike konkurentnom placom

Cuj poduzetnika, nema veze koliko radnika ima. Pa o broju radnika mu ovisi posao, nece raditi dvije zgrade sa deset radnika nego jedino garazu moze..

onda radi male poslove
male gazde=mali poslovi
a velike obratno
ili nek mali gazda ugovori veliki poso I privuce puno radnika placom namigusom

Al sto ako ih  nema, ispucane su kvote , domacih nema, on mora smanjiti posao.

vi bi ko debili da vam drzava vodi biznis i misli za vas I dovodi vam radnike jer jadni gazed hoce para pa placu
nije ni cudo da ste tu di jeste
nemate pojma koliko ih ovdje bankrotira ako nisi sposobni
ili prebace na drugi biznis
u vas bi gazed bili gazed al da im drzava bude mama

kaya wrote:A i te doplatke za djecu koje cickate tamo u njemackoj su vam htjeli njemci smanjiti jer vas smatraju definitivno gradanima drugog reda pa je za njemce trebalo biti 100 na primjer za vas 50, ali ih ek uspjela malo zaustavi, do kada ne znam jer je to diskriminacija.

kayo. ja uopće ne uzimam doplatak za djecu, a mogao bi.

jedino što sam tražio da ne plaćam crkveni porez.

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veber wrote:

kaya wrote:

veber wrote:

kaya wrote:Ili jednostavnije, ako hrvatska ne nade dovoljno radnikaza vas tu nema posla, svi cete u njemacku. 5 godina rada, 130 eura penzija, pa izvolite. Ovi mladi koji odrade 40 u njemackoj ce imati naravno vecu ali to niste vi koji idete na 5 godina.

ti si toliki protivnik odlaska u njemačku da bi te cijela ova hdz ekipa zaposlila kao glasnogovornicu.

ja sam kompletno odjavljen iz hrvatske što se tiče zdravstva i mirovinskog. ako ne zginem i doživim penziju nijemci mi nude njihovu ili hrvatsku. kao svi patrioti ja bum zel rvacku.

od tvoje plaće ne ide ni kuna za mene. niti za moju djecu jer su osigurana preko mene.

ljekove i sl šalje se ekipi koja je u hrvatskoj i prijavljena kod hrvatskog poslodavca.

Lijekove se salji ekipi koja tu placa dopunsko jer im je skupo u njemackoj a razliku placamo mi.u njemackoj bus dobio 130 eura ako izdrzis jos 4 godine, za 5 godina. U hrvatskoj bus dobio ostatak, odnosno za onoliko staza koliko vec imas.

kajo! pak bumo se svadili. meni njemačko zdravstveno pokriva sve troškove, pokriva sve troškove moje djece dok su redovni u školstvu. moja mirovina ne bu 130€. 
bez obzira na sve, ja i dalje po trajnom nalogu plaćam dopunsko.

jebote, pa ti si barem pametna. ostavi animozitete sa strane i gledaj realo.

Naravno da ti imas njemacko zdravstveno, imaju ga svi prijavljeni u njemackoj. Medutim ga ne koristis iz prostog razloga, tamo ces antibiotik nadoplatiti npr 50 eura a tu sa dopunskim nista ili par kuna. Zato ga i placas. Medutim i tome stize kraj jer ce povezati e putem zdravstvena pa ces ga koristiti tamo gdje placas porez.
Mirovina za 5 godina staza je 130 eura.
Ova djeca koja idu i odraditi ce 40 godina u njemackoj mogu racunati na puno vecuvecu mirovinu , vi na 5 ne

ma šta pričaš bogati? jel ti to namjerno ili zato jer pojma nemaš pa širiš dezinformacije?

antibiotik u Njemačkoj nemožeš kupiti bez rezepta koje ti napiše liječnik. i na rezept ne plaćaš ništa ili od 5 do max 10 eura ovisi koji lijek. dakle SVI koji se nalaze u Njemačkoj MORAJU biti zdravstveno osigurani.

evo produhovi se malo:

Since 1 January 2009, anyone resident in Germany is required to possess health insurance cover from a provider licensed in Germany.

However, if you wish to take up long-term residence in Germany you must exchange the card for a local health insurance scheme. Holders of the European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) are entitled to medical treatment under the same terms as German citizens. However if they plan to stay in the country longer than a year (or become employed in Germany), they should sign up for insurance with a local health insurance provider.

Contributions to health insurance are split roughly equally between employers and employees. Germans are also required to carry long-term nursing care insurance, which is charged at 2.2% of their gross income. Students are offered special student insurance schemes with favorable rates. Note that health insurance in Germany is part of the social security system. More information about this system can be found in our chapter on social security.

Statutory and private health insurance
In Germany, there are two parallel health insurance systems:

(a) State health insurance is run by German government. Most foreigners (and Germans as well) are obliged to take out state health insurance.

(b) Private health insurance can be chosen in some specific cases. It generally offers more extensive cover, but is not automatically an advantage for all cases.

Almost everyone can join the state insurance scheme, but only a few people are allowed to leave this system for a private insurance. Around 85% of the population actually detain a statutory health insurance. To work out which insurance scheme fits is best for you, follow these steps:

(a) Find out whether you can choose between private and public insurance. If you're obliged to join the state system, it is irrelevant to compare it with private insurance. To find out whether the state system is mandatory for you, have look at our information below.

(b) IF you are allowed to take a private health insurance, you should compare the advantages and disadvantages of both systems before making a final decision.
Although this is complicated, take the time to analyze your situation in order to make the right decision. Our health insurance guide will lead you step by step through this decision process.

When is state health insurance mandatory?
State Health Insurance (Gesetzliche Krankenversicherung) is compulsory for the following groups:

Employees whose regular income before deductions does exceed 400 EUR per month and remains below a set annual limit. All employees in Germany are subject to mandatory health insurance. Up to a gross salary of 54,900€ or 4,575€ per month (upper income limit for 2015) you must be insured by a private health insurance company.
Students at state and state-approved universities. The current (2015) premium for health and nursing care starts at 80.41 EUR per month for a local student over 23 years with no children. International students can get insurance from 26 EUR/month.
People on work experience (internships) or in secondary education
Old-age pensioners who have been in a statutory health insurance scheme or insured as a family member for most of the latter half of their working life.
Unemployed people receiving benefits from Federal Employment Services (with some exceptions)
You can within a period of three months join a state health insurance scheme voluntarily if you:

Have been a compulsory member, your membership is terminated and you have certain qualifying insurance periods
Are an employee and your income in your first job exceeds the limit, as long as you apply for membership within three months of starting work
Are severely disabled (subject to certain other requirements)
Have been insured through a family member for a specific minimum period and this insurance has expired
Students from countries with which Germany has concluded a social security agreement which includes an insurance clause can continue to be covered by their home insurance company while they are in Germany.

For more information, enquire at your institution's International Office. In such cases, you will be required to present proof of insurance cover to the health insurance company in Germany:

EU citizens who have an EHIC can remain in their country’s health care system. However they should still bring their EHIC to a state insurance office and ask for exemption.
Short term non-EU residents who do not wish to change their health insurance company during their stay in Germany should bring a confirmation from their home insurance company in both English and German that their insurance covers all possible medical costs. This document should be submitted in a German statutory health insurance for approval. If the document is approved, an exemption from statutory German health insurance will be issued.
Long term non-EU residents should get a contract with a local health insurance provider depending on their situation (freelancers and self-employed people should apply for private health care insurance).
The Federal Ministry for Health and Social Security offers detailed information on statutory insurance in different languages at www.bmgs.bund.de .

Who can opt for private health insurance?
Around 11% of german opt for a private health insurance (Private Krankenversicherung, PKV). By choosing a private health insurance, you can expect to receive a wider range of medical treatments.

In theory, everybody not in the categories above can choose a private insurance scheme including german civil servants and people working part-time earning less than 450€/month. However, once you've opted out of the state insurance scheme, it can be very difficult to go back. Switching back to state insurance is possible under the following circumstances: when someone has lost their job; your salary is below the 54,900EUR a year, you used to be self-employed but now have a full-time position with a similar salary. Before you make this decision, you should therefore carefully compare the advantages and disadvantages of the two systems.

If you opt out of statutory health insurance and cannot go back, the private insurance companies will be forced to offer you a basic tariff with the same fees as the statutory insurance from 2009.

What are the advantages/disadvantages of the two systems?
There is no simple answer to this question, as it depends heavily on your personal circumstances. To help, we have listed below some of the advantages and disadvantages:

Contributions: To understand the main differences between the two systems, you should bear in mind that state and private insurance work on completely different contribution models:

State health insurance contributions are based on your gross income (around 15.5% with an income cap, 7.3% of which covered by the insurer). If you have a high income, it might therefore be cheaper to opt for a private insurance policy. Students can use a special insurance scheme that offers favourable rates.
Private health insurance contributions are based on your risk profile i.e. age, not on your income. For example, women and older people generally pay higher contributions than young men. This is due to a calculation of the average cost for medical treatment for different groups. The older you are, the less attractive it thus becomes to opt for a private insurance.
Note that contributions are always equally split between employer and employee, independent of whether you are in a private or public scheme.

Payment of medicines and treatments: If you're insured through the state system, you only pay a nominal fee for treatments and medicines as these are directly paid for by your insurance company. If privately insured, you pay doctor's fees and medicine costs and send receipts to your insurance company for reimbursement. Although this makes no difference in the long run, it might be important if you're short on cash.

Private health insurance: Private health insurance schemes provide more extensive cover, including the option of private/semi-private hospitals, alternative therapies such as acupuncture and herbal treatments, glasses and contact lenses and other treatment that may not be available under the state scheme. In recent years, some statutory insurance companies have also extended their coverage of alternative treatments, but it’s still not as wide as the coverage of private insurances.

At the doctor, you will often be treated preferentially compared to state insured patients, as you are generally more profitable. Some doctors even restrict their practices only to private patients. Another advantage is that private insurances don't expect you to pay any additional co-payments (Zusatzzahlungen) for medicines and treatment as in the state scheme (see below for more information).

However, some private insurance policies offer you the option of a (Selbstbehalt), which means that for each case of illness part of the cost is paid by you up to a certain amount per year. On the upside, the insurance company will lower your contributions if you go for this option.

Statutory insurance: Despite the constant complaints of Germans, the state health insurance scheme also offers some advantage compared to private schemes. The biggest one is that it also insures your family at no extra charge! Your spouse or civil partner and, up to a certain age, your children are covered by your insurance, provided among other things that their collective income does not exceed 365 EUR per month. In case they are working, their income shouldn’t be over 400 EUR per month.

However, you should bear in mind that the state insurance system has come under serious pressure during the last decade. As the government tries to cut the cost of health care, co-payment (i.e. the portion of costs the patient has to pay himself) has been increasing for all kinds of medical treatment and medicines and is likely to increase even further in the future. In areas such as dental/orthodontic treatment and glasses, state health insurance only covers a fraction of the cost.

The state health insurance system
Statutory health insurance is provided by a network of non-profit making companies working with the state to administer the national health program (Gesetzliche Krankenkassen). Some of the most popular ones include the TK, AOK and BEK. Since 1996, anyone is free to choose the fund they wish to be insured with. Even though benefits are similar across all companies, it is often worth comparing contributions since these can vary significantly.

Your insurance company will issue you a health insurance card, which you have to take with you whenever you visit a doctor, dentist or specialist.

Note that benefits of statutory health insurance change often. Some of the treatments covered are (as of 2015):

Medical and dental treatment, with free choice of doctors and dentists
Hospital treatment
Drugs, dressings, complementary treatment, and aids such as hearing aids and wheelchairs
Sickness benefit (Krankengeld): Normally, your employer will continue to pay your wage or salary for six weeks if you are unable to work. After that your health insurance would pay 70 per cent of your regular wage or salary before deductions for a maximum of 78 weeks
Measures for the prevention and early detection of certain diseases
Preventive dentistry and in particular individual and group prophylactic measures
Preventive inoculations, excluding inoculations for non-work-related foreign travel
Orthodontic treatment, normally only up to the age of 18.
Medically necessary dentures and crowns.
Glasses
Immunizations
X-rays
If you have children, you can claim a range of additional benefits. The Federal Ministry for Health and Social Security offers detailed and up-to-date information on benefits at www.bmgs.bund.de .

Patients covered by the state insurance system still need to pay 10 EUR per quarter year in case they need medical help in a period of 3 months. That is, 10 EUR are paid for the first doctor’s visit during a quarter of a year. If a person doesn’t make any visits in a quarter year, no payment is required. For multiple visits during a quarter of a year the price is still 10 EUR paid at the first visit. Patients should ask for a receipt at their first visit since it will prove that the quarterly tax has been paid and they won’t be asked to pay again if they need medical help in the future. The dentist costs another 10 EUR for the first visit per quarter.

In the following cases, you will have to an additional contribution to treatments and medicines (as of 2015):

The cost of dentures 20 - 70% of these costs may be paid by the state.
A share in the cost of in-patient preventive treatment and rehabilitation, out-patient rehabilitation, and in-patient hospital care (€10/day for a maximum of 28 days)
10% of the cost of prescription drugs and dressings, minimum 5 EUR and maximum 10 EUR.
If your income is below a certain level, you can be exempted from these additional payments.

Bmk i za Njemačku i za Hrvatsku. Sad ću popit kavu u konobi nakon kupanja. Vruće vanka za popizdit a more je ok. Pravi litnji dan , sad će i prvi dan lita a to mi je sestrin rođendan.

Lito je koji posal ovo ono ko je vidija po ovakvin vrućinama radit.

Mexico , sajinara , Jamajka , koji posla jeba vas posal u guzicu pa nismo Japanci jbte

ma tako je, evo izmišljaju svi i e putem se spajaju jer im je dosadno..vi samo aspirin kupite , povjerovali smo...
http://hr.n1info.com/Vijesti/a378576/Porez-placaju-u-Njemackoj-a-lijece-se-u-Hrvatskoj.html

90% RH poslodavaca bi trebalo zviznuzi da se sustav resetira i podigne na stabilne noge. Ja se iskreno nadam da će ove ili slijedeće godine porikavati.

catabbath wrote:90% RH poslodavaca bi trebalo zviznuzi da se sustav resetira i podigne na stabilne noge. Ja se iskreno nadam da će ove ili slijedeće godine porikavati.

Neće. Plenkovic je na vlasti a to je Merkel.

kaya wrote:ma tako je, evo izmišljaju svi i e putem se spajaju jer im je dosadno..vi samo aspirin kupite , povjerovali smo...
http://hr.n1info.com/Vijesti/a378576/Porez-placaju-u-Njemackoj-a-lijece-se-u-Hrvatskoj.html

ne da mi se natezat s tobom oko tog pitanja.

znači, kada napravim trošak s mojom karticom ili moja djeca to ide na trošak njemačkog zdravstva.
jednostavno nisam tu prijavljen, kao što nisam ni mirovinski. i kći kada krene studirat u njemačkoj će biti prijavljena tamo i imat će osiguranje od njih.

ovi svi koji uzimaju preko hr, nisu prijavljeni u njemačkoj i obveznici su hr.

Ja se ne nadan ničemu u ovoj državi. To san ja davno prikrižija. Samo glasan svake izbore da ove na vlasti jeben po sistemu ti meni ja tebi. Igran se.

Mi smo gotovi. Nema ljudi , sve uteklo , moraju masovno useljavat i dovlačit radnu snagu da in sistem opstane

veber wrote:

kaya wrote:ma tako je, evo izmišljaju svi i e putem se spajaju jer im je dosadno..vi samo aspirin kupite , povjerovali smo...
http://hr.n1info.com/Vijesti/a378576/Porez-placaju-u-Njemackoj-a-lijece-se-u-Hrvatskoj.html

ne da mi se natezat s tobom oko tog pitanja.

znači, kada napravim trošak s mojom karticom ili moja djeca to ide na trošak njemačkog zdravstva.
jednostavno nisam tu prijavljen, kao što nisam ni mirovinski. i kći kada krene studirat u njemačkoj će biti prijavljena tamo i imat će osiguranje od njih.

ovi svi koji uzimaju preko hr, nisu prijavljeni u njemačkoj i obveznici su hr.

Prijavljeni su oni u njemackoj, uz posao ide i prijava na zdravstveno . Ali dopunsko imaju ovdje ili su na burzi ovdje. Sad najbolje da necemo vjerovati podacima sa zdravstvenog a vama hocemo. Kako da ne..ne bi se oni spajali s njemackom poreznom iz dosade..

I ne gnjavi me na pp. Ja ako dodem na forum dodem pisati sa svima ne s tobom na pp. Tak da mozemo i tu razgovarati.

prckov wrote:

kaya wrote:

prckov wrote:

kaya wrote:

prckov wrote:placa za zadnje poslove uvjek padne kad se uveze vise radnika iz siromasnijih zemalja
to je ovdje kod mene redovno slucaj
radnici se placaju po satu, nema veze koliko radnika ima osim sto ce duze radit poso ako ih je manje, a profit je isti I gazdi I radnicima jer gazda je pogodio poso a radnici placu u satima
ako nema radnika nek gazda privuce radnike konkurentnom placom

Cuj poduzetnika, nema veze koliko radnika ima. Pa o broju radnika mu ovisi posao, nece raditi dvije zgrade sa deset radnika nego jedino garazu moze..

onda radi male poslove
male gazde=mali poslovi
a velike obratno
ili nek mali gazda ugovori veliki poso I privuce puno radnika placom namigusom

Al sto ako ih  nema, ispucane su kvote , domacih nema, on mora smanjiti posao.

vi bi ko debili da vam drzava vodi biznis i misli za vas I dovodi vam radnike jer jadni gazed hoce para pa placu
nije ni cudo da ste tu di jeste
nemate pojma koliko ih ovdje bankrotira ako nisi sposobni
ili prebace na drugi biznis
u vas bi gazed bili gazed al da im drzava bude mama

Pa ne bi ljudi da im nitko dovodi radnike al ne bi ni da im zabranjuju to, jel pošteno? Ne mora im ih mama ili drzava dovesti ali ne moze ni braniti

Ma bmk šta će oni dovest.  Nisu mi interesantni kao ponuđaći posla uopće. Pa možete di god oćete. Šta ćete se zajebavat ode sa ovima , vidiš da su to sve klošari od poslodavaca.

RayMabus wrote:Ma bmk šta će oni dovest.  Nisu mi interesantni kao ponuđaći posla uopće. Pa možete di god oćete. Šta ćete se zajebavat ode sa ovima , vidiš da su to sve klošari od poslodavaca.

I to je posteno. Imas potpuno pravo u italiju. 
Jedino ces se morat skinut s grbace hzzo i hzzu.

kaya wrote:

RayMabus wrote:Ma bmk šta će oni dovest.  Nisu mi interesantni kao ponuđaći posla uopće. Pa možete di god oćete. Šta ćete se zajebavat ode sa ovima , vidiš da su to sve klošari od poslodavaca.

I to je posteno. Imas potpuno pravo u italiju. 
Jedino ces se morat skinut s grbace hzzo i hzzu.

Pa ok skinit ću se. Šta me brige za to. Sad će skinit ove isto šta to rade. Nije mi uopće jasan taj mentalni sklop. To sve triba poskidat.

Jer svi imate dvostruke arsine, vi imate pravo ici vani ali tu ne smije nitko doci. I idete vani sli nakaceni ste i dalje na hzz i hzzo jer je jeftinije pa neka ovi ovdje izdvajaju i za vas. E pa jebiga..to bas i nije posteno

RayMabus wrote:

kaya wrote:

RayMabus wrote:Ma bmk šta će oni dovest.  Nisu mi interesantni kao ponuđaći posla uopće. Pa možete di god oćete. Šta ćete se zajebavat ode sa ovima , vidiš da su to sve klošari od poslodavaca.

I to je posteno. Imas potpuno pravo u italiju. 
Jedino ces se morat skinut s grbace hzzo i hzzu.

Pa ok skinit ću se. Šta me brige za to. Sad će skinit ove isto šta to rade. Nije mi uopće jasan taj mentalni sklop. To sve triba poskidat.

Ma ja to opcenito, ne ciljam konkretno na tebe. Jedan manje vise ali kad zbrojis sve, puno je to.

kaya wrote:Jer svi imate dvostruke arsine, vi imate pravo ici vani ali tu ne smije nitko doci. I idete vani sli nakaceni ste i dalje na hzz i hzzo jer je jeftinije pa neka ovi ovdje izdvajaju i za vas. E pa jebiga..to bas i nije posteno

Slažem se. U pravu si.

Hrvati su otišli vani , ode će doć neki drugi. To sa zdravstvom vidin da će ih sad poskidat a i triba tako da tto neću niti pratiti jer će ih poskidat i to je ok. 

Ono mi smo ostali bez radne snage idućih pola stoljeća, triba useljavat.