Re: Rat u Ukraini - ozbiljna(moja) tema

by **AssadNaPodmornici** 8/8/2022, 17:49

Hektorović wrote:
AssadNaPodmornici wrote:Odlična analiza toga Rusa

Van Putinovog Kremaljskog kruga i vojnog vrha, koji su uglavnom razni Banožići i dupelizci, Rusi imaju prave eksperte koji stvarno daju realne analize. Bit će zanimljivo kako će ova Z zombie ekipa reagirati na teške Ruske poraze.

Naravno odlučuju razni lupeži... Pa zato Sjeverna Koreja danas ima moderno topništvo kompetitivno sa zapadnim, dok Rusija to nema nego je sve iz SSSR-a. (Strelkov je neki dan dobro opisao situaciju kao "tugom").

I sada žicaju od Iran dronove. Pazi tko je mogao zamisliti prije par desetljeća da će jedna super-sila Rusija žicati od Islamske diktature high-tech oružje. Isto tako čitao sam Ruske blogere, da Ruska vojska i nakon što je u ratu Armenija vs Azaerbeđan vidjela efekete dronova, to im je doslovno bilo 5 do 12 da ih uvedu masovno, nisu kurcom mrdnuli.. Strelkov pljuje po Ruskom-vojno-političkom vrhu, da im i dalje dolaze lažne informacije da je sve super, sve ludnica, dok je na terenu kaos.. a oni gore sebi djele medalje i zasluge... on bi smjenio cijeli Ruski vojni vrh da se njega pita

by **Hektorović** 8/8/2022, 17:49

AssadNaPodmornici wrote:Strelkov govori o Sj.Korejskom topništvu, sa gusjenicama koje navodno ima domet +40km.
Inače zna se da Rusija ima prednost u svom tipu oružja, ali trenutno Ukrainca ima prednost u SPOgovima većeg dometa +30km.

To o potencijalnom završetku Hersonske operacije tako i govori Arestovič(Ukrainska verzija Strelkova). Kaže da njima uopće nije problem što Rusija dovlači pojačanja u Herson(I zaporožje/Melitopol) -
da je sam Herson vrlo težak za RU logistiku , i ako imaš veći broj vojnika i tehnike, moraš dnevno više logistike im dostavljati a onda ako im oni nanesu dovoljno gubitaka u logistici i komadnim centrima, veći broj Ruske vojske i tehnike će se naći u neobranom grodžu. A onda će odjedanput biti prisiljeni na neko panično povlačenje gdje će morati uteći i ostaviti velik dio teškog oružja iza sebe.. što će utjecati na to da će se srušiti njihov moral i borbene mogućnosti na cijeloj fronti a onda bi se to odmah odrazilo na ostatak južne Ukraine. To su neki Ukrainski recimo "vlažni snovi" .

Ali gotovo nema dana da Ukrainci nešto ne udaraju na potezu od Hersona do Melitopola, navodno je u jučerašnjem napadu tamo poginulo dosta vojnika. Inače Rusi su na ovom području koncetrirali 50BTGova (od ukupno cca 110).

Inače Ruski blogeri pišu sljedeće o Hersonu;

Russians complaining about the situation in Kherson. No food, no water, every time supplies are destroyed it takes a long time to recover them, the local people hate them and relay their positions to ZSU, and likely the whole area will have to be abandoned.

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Problemi sa logistikom, Ukrainci rokaju non stop, a lokalna populacija ih mrzi i javlja Ukraincima ciljeve

Kherson zapadno od Dnjepra završit će za Ruse kao Zmijski Otok.

Oni koji se izvuku, izvuči će se bježanijom čamcima i plivanjem. Ostat će bez sve tehnike.

Istovremeno ZSU će dobiti dobru prepreku, i prebacit će koncentracije ka drugim smjerovima (Kharkiv, Donbas)

Očekujem i paralelnu ofenzivu na Melitopol, možda i presjecanje kopnenog koridora (Ruska linija je tamo jako tanka)

by **Hektorović** 8/8/2022, 17:51

AssadNaPodmornici wrote:I sada žicaju od Iran dronove. Pazi tko je mogao zamisliti prije par desetljeća da će jedna super-sila Rusija žicati od Islamske diktature high-tech oružje. Isto tako čitao sam Ruske blogere, da Ruska vojska i nakon što je u ratu Armenija vs Azaerbeđan vidjela efekete dronova, to im je doslovno bilo 5 do 12 da ih uvedu masovno, nisu kurcom mrdnuli.. Strelkov pljuje po Ruskom-vojno-političkom vrhu, da im i dalje dolaze lažne informacije da je sve super, sve ludnica, dok je na terenu kaos.. a oni gore sebi djele medalje i zasluge... on bi smjenio cijeli Ruski vojni vrh da se njega pita

Doslovno su spali na moljakanje pomoći iz Sjeverne Koreje i Irana

Al su se zato gradili stadioni, olimpijade i slične pizdarije :D

Kažem nužno je tvrdo i bolno buđenjenza ove što bacaju drkicu na Rusiju.

by Ringo10 8/8/2022, 18:13

Traze pomoc od Koreje...Sjeverne
Pa stvarno mediji urnebesne gluposti objavljuju

by **AssadNaPodmornici** 8/8/2022, 18:17

Eto zašto ti brišem postove. To spominju Ruski mediji, ruski blogeri, strelkov, colonel cassad. Kurca ti pojma nemaš idi na onu temu i svađaj se sa zemom safetom

by dijagram 8/8/2022, 20:36

Ako vec pustaju cecene na ukrajince, zasto ne bi i sjevernokorejce.

Sve su to napredni narodi.

by crvenkasti 8/8/2022, 21:06

Ukrajinci nose nacističke znakove i kukaste križeve samo zato jer se Rusi toga boje.
Misle, kad pobijede Ruse, prestat će se pravit da su nacisti.

Samo što ne znaju da to ne ide tako.

Tako smo se mi pravili da smo ustaše zbog Srba.

I evo, već 20 godina nema više nema Srba, a mi više nego ikad guramo ustaštvo.
Jer. ako prestanemo, Srbi se mogu vratiti.
Danas su još 100 puta gori.

by Šandor Winnetou 8/8/2022, 21:19

dijagram wrote:Ako vec pustaju cecene na ukrajince, zasto ne bi i sjevernokorejce.

Sve su to napredni narodi.

Ima tu još mujaga, nije da se radi samo o čečenima. U svakom slučaju se karasna civilizacijska nakupina šljama najgore vrste nalazi među ruskim barbarima. Rusofili su strahoviti ponosni na to što muslimančuge kolju krššćane.

by **Hektorović** 8/8/2022, 21:27

AssadNaPodmornici wrote:Eto zašto ti brišem postove. To spominju Ruski mediji, ruski blogeri, strelkov, colonel cassad. Kurca ti pojma nemaš idi na onu temu i svađaj se sa zemom safetom

Igor Ivanovich Strelkov
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Interesting article. It would be worth thinking... if there was an opportunity to think for people who arrange the "anniversary, 13th" tank biathlon in the midst of a difficult and not too successful war.
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Will Korean comrades come to the rescue?

We have already published a short note on this topic on a duplicate channel (may readers forgive us gloomy humor about Minsk-3, ugh, God forbid).

And now let's talk in more detail.

We will start with the fact that back in the distant peaceful 2018 there was talk (including quite official) about the decision to revise the pace of implementation of the program with the beautiful title "Industrial disposal of weapons and military equipment for 2011-2015 and for the period up to 2020". In 2018, at least. Or maybe earlier.

Suddenly they remembered that the objects intended for disposal have not developed their resource, that they can be modernized using some secret "modern technologies" and even sold to third countries, although they themselves need to - the situation in the world is heating up, again friendly forces need to be armed with something.

And after all, how our wise leadership looked into the water, slamming the greedy hands of near-defense dealers who drove the shield and sword of the Motherland for rubles and dollars for second. It's a pity it's a little late.

Still, dashing times have come and the old iron "unexpectedly" (who would have thought, yes, what a passage, it's in the age of hypersonic Kuzkina's mother 2.0!) I think there's a job again. And it's not about the allegedly huge losses, which is trumpeted by the propaganda of one hitherto unfinished country of misunderstand, but about the very method of conducting the database based on an artillery offensive to save the lives of its soldiers as much as possible. Let's venture to assume that those who flashed in the photo in the Telegram channels of the T-62 "come to work" in the SVO zone with self-propelled guns. That's just the range...

The guns were also disposed of in vain, and even more active than tanks, because it is much easier in terms of obtaining a suitable scrap. What remained in service or was urgently put into operation has a resource and it is NOT INFINITE.

In addition, some samples shooting in the SVO zone have not been mass-produced for a long time.

The 240 mm Tulip self-propelled mortar is still firing, although production was discontinued in 1988.

The role of barrel artillery in current events is huge. The consumption of ammunition, too. And the resource of military equipment (barrel, structural elements, chassis of a self-propelled system) is also consumed rapidly at this rate. Repair and restoration require time and production capacity, and staffed by highly qualified specialists, not guest workers.

We do not know what the relevant ranks of the Ministry of Defense, who slowed down the recycling program in time, will scrape there. Let's hope that there are still long strings on storage bases of what can be revived and forced to pour on the heads of supostats the well-deserved and long-awaited Retribution by the people without interruption and any gestures of goodwill.

But then North Korea flashed in the information space in relation to the mentioned events. Why? In addition to the fact that the LPR-DPR is recognized as an "rogue country", about which the peace-loving public has already managed to make contemptuous grimask, there is another important circumstance.

No, we're not talking about new guest workers for Mr. H-lin, the lord of the Builders of Humans, it's a separate topic.

We mean that North Korea has long been quite an "artillery power", and in this line one of the strongest in the world.

The forest of North Korean cannon barrels (and not doubtfully flying missiles) keeps in the eternal Shah Seoul - long-range systems are able to turn the second half of Korea, starting from the capital, into a lunar landscape without any nuclear weapons in a very short time - Big Overseas Brother will not have time to send cavalry to the rescue.

North Korea has already had experience in selling its artillery systems to both Africa and the Middle East. The most famous is the experience of using long-range 170 mm self-propelled guns of our own North Korean design in Iran and Iraq.

Iranian 170 mm self-propelled gun of North Korean production. These guns caused a lot of problems to the Iraqis while out of the return fire zone. The firing range of an ordinary projectile is 40 km. And these are the 80s of the last century, however. Since then, Korean comrades have not stood still and according to a number of estimates have brought the range of application of modernized 170 mm systems for certain types of ammunition to 70 km, improving other characteristics, in particular the rate of fire.

We did not set a goal to analyze all available samples of artillery systems of the DPRK Army, let's just note that there are many of them. The country is in isolation, a closed society, hunger-cold and Juche, however, this is the paradox. Either guns instead of oil, or something else, the current generation of effective managers is inaccessible for understanding and repetition.

North Korea has been actively developing various variants of self-propelled installations based on tanks and artillery tractors for well-known systems and calibers - 122 mm, 152 mm, 130 mm. That is, theoretically, their artillery systems can be integrated into our supply system without radical alterations - at least in terms of the use of conventional, unguided shells.

Is such a "gun deal" possible and does Russia need it? The question is complex, but there are unambiguous reasons - since Iranian drones are needed, North Korean guns will not hurt. At least to the same DPR-LPR militias. Since there is a relationship, why not buy weapons or get them as a gift, for example? In history, there have been more curious precedents with the supply of weapons to young and aggressive Israel or here is a generous gift from the Vietnamese people of the GDR - a whole battalion of captured American armored personnel carriers.

The main factor here is China's attitude to the issue under discussion. It is safe to say that if China "does good," military-technical cooperation with North Korea will take place.

Don't be ironic. The enemy is pumped up with weapons by the whole of Europe plus America and Canada. Specialists go to this weapon in packs, in some parts of the front in general active hostilities are conducted mainly by mercenaries from Europe, America, Canada, and from South Korea too, by the way.

There is a war of resources, which, after all the miracles with the optimization of the structure of industry and the Armed Forces, we do not yet have as fantastic as we would like to believe. Both Iran and North Korea may well become important allies or partners in this situation. There's nothing funny here, there's a lot of sad, that's true.

by Guest 8/8/2022, 22:14

crvenkasti wrote:
I evo, već 20 godina nema više nema Srba, a mi više nego ikad guramo ustaštvo.
Jer. ako prestanemo, Srbi se mogu vratiti.
Danas su još 100 puta gori.

Srbi?
Ma nisu. Danas su realno gori u smislu jedino da su puno gore kukavice nego su to bili devedesetih.
Pa nisu u stanju izaći na kraj ni sa Kosovom, a gdje bi se usudili krenuti na nas?

by veber 8/8/2022, 22:41

svi vi stratezi, vojni jebači i slično.
oznaka na četničim vozilima nije "Z"
slovo je "I"

a očito patuljak želi završiti rusku imperijalističku politiku od istoka do istoka.
patuljku je cilj britanija.

treba ih skurit odmah s gljivicama. i po onima koji se češkaju čakaju i čuju.

by mentalitet 9/8/2022, 03:38

Na kraju ce vas ovaj jebeni Zidov sve ozrachiti kao novogodishnjuu jelku.

Russia accuses Ukraine of ‘nuclear terrorism’
Kiev’s forces have caused another fire at Europe’s largest nuclear power plant, Russia’s Defense Ministry claims

Ukrainian troops have committed “a new act of nuclear terrorism” by continuing to shell the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant, the Russian Defense Ministry warned on Monday.

The nuclear plant, Europe’s largest, in southern Ukraine was seized by Russian forces in late February, when Moscow launched its military operation in the neighboring state. The facility continues to operate under Russian control with Ukrainian personnel.

In a daily briefing, Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Lieutenant General Igor Konashenkov said that Ukraine’s 44th Artillery Brigade fired at the plant on Sunday from the village of Marganets on the opposite side of the large Kakhovka water reservoir.

The shelling damaged a high-voltage power line, causing a short circuit at the plant, Konashenkov said. He added that a fire broke out at the facility, which was then put out.

UN slams ‘suicidal’ nuclear plant attacks
Read more UN slams ‘suicidal’ nuclear plant attacks
According to the Russian Defense Ministry, it was the second time Ukrainian shelling has caused a fire and a partial power outage at the plant since Friday. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters that the attacks on the nuclear facility could have “catastrophic consequences for a huge territory, including the territory of Europe.”

“We hope that countries which have an absolute influence on the Ukrainian leadership will use this influence to rule out such shelling,” Peskov said.

Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky accused Russia of shelling the Zaporozhye plant on Friday. “Russian nuclear terror requires a stronger response from the international community,” he tweeted, also warning about a potential nuclear disaster.

Ukraine and the US previously accused Russian soldiers of using the plant as cover in the fight against Ukrainian troops. Russia has rejected these claims.

UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres condemned the “suicidal” attacks on the plant, expressing hope that international inspectors will be able to access the facility soon.

by AlfaOmega 9/8/2022, 07:36

Rat još ni gotov, ali čini se da interne političke trakavice uzimaju maha.

https://pogled.ba/novosti/svijet/gdje-idu-milijarde-koje-im-svijet-daje/252525

by AlfaOmega 9/8/2022, 07:39

Malo sa fronte:

-Ruska vojska i savezničke snage ušle u istočna predgrađa Soledara (6.kozačka pukovnija LNR snaga zauzela tvornicu "KNAUF", borbe se vode i u stamnbenim četvrtima,snage LNR zauzele uzvišenja iznad Vladimirovke i Stjapovke,sjeveroistočno od Soledara,sada napreduju prema Yakovlivki),snage Wagner grupe ušle u istočna predgrađa Artjomovska (Bakhmuta). Borbe se vode u stambenim četvrtima. Ruske i savezničke snage zauzele istočne dijelove mjesta Kodema. Ruske snage pokrenule široku operaciju duž crte zapadno i jugozapadno od Grigorovke-preko Serebrianke-zapadni dio Siverska-zapadno od Verhnekamenskog te zapadno i jugozapadno od Ivano-Darjevke-Berestove-Vesele-Yakovlivka.
-na crti bojišta prema Slavjansku, nastavljene borbe u šumama sjeverozapadnpo od Slavjanska.
-u sjevernom dijemu Harkovske oblasti nastavljaju se sukobi. Ukrajinska vojska dovodi pojačanja nastojeći spriječiti napredovanje ruskih i savezničkih snaga prema gradu.
-ukrajinkse snage pokrenule protunapad kod mjesta Kostyantinivka i Stepanivka.

by AlfaOmega 9/8/2022, 07:53

Malo o iranskom Shahed 129 dronu koji su Iranci isporučili Rusima, i koji je prema nekim navodima već djeluje u Ukrajini:

U zvaničnu upotrebu ulazi 2012., ali zbog inicijalnih problema sa naoružanjem, prvih nekoliko godina služi samo za izvidničke misije. U tom smislu dobar se pokazao u Siriji, gdi je služio za navođenje napada na kanibalske položaje u okolici Damaska (Daraya i ist. Ghouta). Kasnije, 2016. riješeni su svi problemi i sa naoružanjem, izvedeno je nekoliko uspješnih testova sa integriranim visoko-preciznim Sadid projektilima, te ovaj dron, osim izviđačkih, dobiva i borbena svojstva.

Ranija inačica Shahed 129 drona:

Rat u Ukraini - ozbiljna(moja) tema - Page 12 OIP

Rat u Ukraini - ozbiljna(moja) tema - Page 12 OIP

Kasnija inačica:

Rat u Ukraini - ozbiljna(moja) tema - Page 12 Shahed_129_01%20(1)

Rusi su zasad naručili 46 komada.

by Službenik 9/8/2022, 08:17

Je l' Ukrajina zauzela Herson? Nije? Ništa onda. Dođoh, vidjeh, odoh. Zdra'o.

by **AssadNaPodmornici** 9/8/2022, 09:10

Thread koji objašnjava kako Ukrainci moguće koriste AGM88 HARM projektile vs RU pzo.

https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1556751670402596865

Friške detonacije Ruskog streljiva - 150km iza fronte??

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1556893481322385409

Ameri šalju novu tranšu 1 milijardi$ (7milijardi kn) vojne pomoći Ukraini. to će biti 50ak oklopnih vojnih transportera, 75 000 155mm granata, minobacači 120mm i 20 000 granata za njih, dvije NASAMS PZO baterije , HIMARS streljivo, i još par sitnica i to je to otprilike..

by crvenkasti 9/8/2022, 09:12

Koba wrote:Je l' Ukrajina zauzela Herson? Nije? Ništa onda. Dođoh, vidjeh, odoh. Zdra'o.

Nije, ali su ih pogodili 3 puta sa Himarsom.

by **AssadNaPodmornici** 9/8/2022, 09:50

Pomalo strpljenje. Herson će po meni se vratiti možda i iduće godine ali on neće biti dio Ruske Federacije

by Šandor Winnetou 9/8/2022, 11:08

Demokracija u rusiji iliti ko pisne govno stisne
https://dubrovacki.slobodnadalmacija.hr/dubrovnik/vijesti/hrvatska-i-svijet/novinari-koji-u-rusiji-izvjestavaju-s-pogreba-ubijenih-vojnika-idu-u-zatvor-a-o-mrtvima-se-ne-razgovara-suze-su-lose-za-javni-moral-1214487

by AlfaOmega 9/8/2022, 11:17

Ukrajina će biti spremna da počne mirovne pregovore sa Rusijom tek nakon što Rusiji nanese nekoliko važnih taktičkih poraza, izjavio je savjetnik šefa ureda predsjednika Mihail Podoljak.

Ovo mogu razumiti, ali pitanje je hoće li posli svega Rusi imati dobru volju opet orkestrirati te "poraze", ka što je bija slučaj sa "podvijanjem repa" iz okolice Kijeva i sjevera Ukrajine.
U najboljem slučaju, Ukri se mogu nadati nekom prećudnom dogovoru o trejdanju teritorije gdi će postpuno napuštati Donetsk Oblast, a vamo čistiti desnu stranu Dnjepra, što uključuje i sam grad Kherson.

Alternativna je hipotetski scenario u kojem će Ukrajina jednog dana do te mjere ojačati da će zaista biti u stanju vraćati svoj teritorij bez potrebe da pregovaraju i dogovaraju išta sa Rusima. Taj film pak nećemo gledati u bioskopima.

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