Re: Rat u Ukraini - ozbiljna(moja) tema

by abraham 7/8/2022, 11:58

Vidim ovdje se kretenluci nastavljau i nastavljaju. NATO je indirektno ukljucen u art u Ukrajini i????? U kojem to ratu nije bilo podrske do strane jednih i drugih. Niska cela vjerojatno puse da se Vijetnam sam i goloruk odupro Francuzima a poslije i USA ili Sjeverna Koreja , Afganistan itd. Samo se eto Srbija nije mijesala u ratove 90-tih. Muahahahahahaha kila jebenog pravoslavnog mozga. Da i Falkland se trebao sam boriti protiv gaucosa ali eto dosla prokleta UK i slupala ih ko zadnje picke......Ruse takodjer potpomazu Ceceni, Arapi, Bjelorusi itd tako da je to u egalu. Muhahahahahaaaaa

by dijagram 7/8/2022, 13:08

abraham wrote:Vidim ovdje se kretenluci nastavljau i nastavljaju. NATO je indirektno ukljucen u art u Ukrajini i????? U kojem to ratu nije bilo podrske do strane jednih i drugih. Niska cela vjerojatno puse da se Vijetnam sam i goloruk odupro Francuzima a poslije i USA ili Sjeverna Koreja , Afganistan itd. Samo se eto Srbija nije mijesala u ratove 90-tih. Muahahahahahaha kila jebenog pravoslavnog mozga. Da i Falkland se trebao sam boriti protiv gaucosa ali eto dosla prokleta UK i slupala ih ko zadnje picke......Ruse takodjer potpomazu Ceceni, Arapi, Bjelorusi itd tako da je to u egalu. Muhahahahahaaaaa

Sto vise ukrajinaca rusi satru nato je sve slabiji.

Jasno je onda da se bore sa s nato.

by Šandor Winnetou 7/8/2022, 13:15

dijagram wrote:
abraham wrote:Vidim ovdje se kretenluci nastavljau i nastavljaju. NATO je indirektno ukljucen u art u Ukrajini i????? U kojem to ratu nije bilo podrske do strane jednih i drugih. Niska cela vjerojatno puse da se Vijetnam sam i goloruk odupro Francuzima a poslije i USA ili Sjeverna Koreja , Afganistan itd. Samo se eto Srbija nije mijesala u ratove 90-tih. Muahahahahahaha kila jebenog pravoslavnog mozga. Da i Falkland se trebao sam boriti protiv gaucosa ali eto dosla prokleta UK i slupala ih ko zadnje picke......Ruse takodjer potpomazu Ceceni, Arapi, Bjelorusi itd tako da je to u egalu. Muhahahahahaaaaa
Sto vise ukrajinaca rusi satru nato je sve slabiji.

Jasno je onda da se bore sa s nato.

a hebaji ga, nekako se prorusi i rusi moraju tješiti i tražiti opravdanje zašto trodnevna vojna operacija traje već skoro 6 mjeseci. U tu svrhu izmisliti će tisuće i tisuće razloga zašto i kako opravdati barbare za koje navijaju.

by dijagram 7/8/2022, 13:19

Šandor Winnetou wrote:
dijagram wrote:
abraham wrote:Vidim ovdje se kretenluci nastavljau i nastavljaju. NATO je indirektno ukljucen u art u Ukrajini i????? U kojem to ratu nije bilo podrske do strane jednih i drugih. Niska cela vjerojatno puse da se Vijetnam sam i goloruk odupro Francuzima a poslije i USA ili Sjeverna Koreja , Afganistan itd. Samo se eto Srbija nije mijesala u ratove 90-tih. Muahahahahahaha kila jebenog pravoslavnog mozga. Da i Falkland se trebao sam boriti protiv gaucosa ali eto dosla prokleta UK i slupala ih ko zadnje picke......Ruse takodjer potpomazu Ceceni, Arapi, Bjelorusi itd tako da je to u egalu. Muhahahahahaaaaa
Sto vise ukrajinaca rusi satru nato je sve slabiji.

Jasno je onda da se bore sa s nato.
a hebaji ga, nekako se prorusi i rusi moraju tješiti i tražiti opravdanje zašto trodnevna vojna operacija traje već skoro 6 mjeseci. U tu svrhu izmisliti će tisuće i tisuće razloga zašto i kako opravdati barbare za koje navijaju.

Gledaj, ukrajincima daju oruzje.

Nije fer, treba ih ostaviti nenaoruzane pa da vidis jesu li ruje sposobni ili nisu.

Kako bi ih onda razvalili.

To bi tek bilo lijepo gledati.

by Šandor Winnetou 7/8/2022, 13:24

dijagram wrote:
Šandor Winnetou wrote:
dijagram wrote:
abraham wrote:Vidim ovdje se kretenluci nastavljau i nastavljaju. NATO je indirektno ukljucen u art u Ukrajini i????? U kojem to ratu nije bilo podrske do strane jednih i drugih. Niska cela vjerojatno puse da se Vijetnam sam i goloruk odupro Francuzima a poslije i USA ili Sjeverna Koreja , Afganistan itd. Samo se eto Srbija nije mijesala u ratove 90-tih. Muahahahahahaha kila jebenog pravoslavnog mozga. Da i Falkland se trebao sam boriti protiv gaucosa ali eto dosla prokleta UK i slupala ih ko zadnje picke......Ruse takodjer potpomazu Ceceni, Arapi, Bjelorusi itd tako da je to u egalu. Muhahahahahaaaaa
Sto vise ukrajinaca rusi satru nato je sve slabiji.

Jasno je onda da se bore sa s nato.
a hebaji ga, nekako se prorusi i rusi moraju tješiti i tražiti opravdanje zašto trodnevna vojna operacija traje već skoro 6 mjeseci. U tu svrhu izmisliti će tisuće i tisuće razloga zašto i kako opravdati barbare za koje navijaju.
Gledaj, ukrajincima daju oruzje.

Nije fer, treba ih ostaviti nenaoruzane pa da vidis jesu li ruje sposobni ili nisu.

Kako bi ih onda razvalili.

To bi tek bilo lijepo gledati.

baš je bezobrazno tako dati mogućnost napadnutome da se brani. Kako sad da rusija pokaže da su najači kad im se ukrajinci odupiru, kako?

by dijagram 7/8/2022, 13:31

Šandor Winnetou wrote:
dijagram wrote:
Šandor Winnetou wrote:
dijagram wrote:
abraham wrote:Vidim ovdje se kretenluci nastavljau i nastavljaju. NATO je indirektno ukljucen u art u Ukrajini i????? U kojem to ratu nije bilo podrske do strane jednih i drugih. Niska cela vjerojatno puse da se Vijetnam sam i goloruk odupro Francuzima a poslije i USA ili Sjeverna Koreja , Afganistan itd. Samo se eto Srbija nije mijesala u ratove 90-tih. Muahahahahahaha kila jebenog pravoslavnog mozga. Da i Falkland se trebao sam boriti protiv gaucosa ali eto dosla prokleta UK i slupala ih ko zadnje picke......Ruse takodjer potpomazu Ceceni, Arapi, Bjelorusi itd tako da je to u egalu. Muhahahahahaaaaa
Sto vise ukrajinaca rusi satru nato je sve slabiji.

Jasno je onda da se bore sa s nato.
a hebaji ga, nekako se prorusi i rusi moraju tješiti i tražiti opravdanje zašto trodnevna vojna operacija traje već skoro 6 mjeseci. U tu svrhu izmisliti će tisuće i tisuće razloga zašto i kako opravdati barbare za koje navijaju.
Gledaj, ukrajincima daju oruzje.

Nije fer, treba ih ostaviti nenaoruzane pa da vidis jesu li ruje sposobni ili nisu.

Kako bi ih onda razvalili.

To bi tek bilo lijepo gledati.
baš je bezobrazno tako dati mogućnost napadnutome da se brani. Kako sad da rusija pokaže da su najači kad im se ukrajinci odupiru, kako?

Ne mos ti demonstrirati silu ako se zrtva brani i jos se naoruza.

by abraham 7/8/2022, 13:35

dijagram wrote:
Šandor Winnetou wrote:
dijagram wrote:
Šandor Winnetou wrote:
dijagram wrote:
abraham wrote:Vidim ovdje se kretenluci nastavljau i nastavljaju. NATO je indirektno ukljucen u art u Ukrajini i????? U kojem to ratu nije bilo podrske do strane jednih i drugih. Niska cela vjerojatno puse da se Vijetnam sam i goloruk odupro Francuzima a poslije i USA ili Sjeverna Koreja , Afganistan itd. Samo se eto Srbija nije mijesala u ratove 90-tih. Muahahahahahaha kila jebenog pravoslavnog mozga. Da i Falkland se trebao sam boriti protiv gaucosa ali eto dosla prokleta UK i slupala ih ko zadnje picke......Ruse takodjer potpomazu Ceceni, Arapi, Bjelorusi itd tako da je to u egalu. Muhahahahahaaaaa
Sto vise ukrajinaca rusi satru nato je sve slabiji.

Jasno je onda da se bore sa s nato.
a hebaji ga, nekako se prorusi i rusi moraju tješiti i tražiti opravdanje zašto trodnevna vojna operacija traje već skoro 6 mjeseci. U tu svrhu izmisliti će tisuće i tisuće razloga zašto i kako opravdati barbare za koje navijaju.
Gledaj, ukrajincima daju oruzje.

Nije fer, treba ih ostaviti nenaoruzane pa da vidis jesu li ruje sposobni ili nisu.

Kako bi ih onda razvalili.

To bi tek bilo lijepo gledati.
baš je bezobrazno tako dati mogućnost napadnutome da se brani. Kako sad da rusija pokaže da su najači kad im se ukrajinci odupiru, kako?
Ne mos ti demonstrirati silu ako se zrtva brani i jos se naoruza.

Uzas i bezobrazlu de luxe.... Kako sada do Berlina ili atlantika????? Mozda bude Berlin pao Kiev nije. Muhahahahahahahaaaaaaa

by **AssadNaPodmornici** 8/8/2022, 00:04

https://twitter.com/L200troops/status/1556343335719243776

pogodak nekim ATGM (javelin) na RU tenk - T80.

Pazi, izgleda da jedan vojnik izgleda uspio iskočiti i dimi.. ako nema opekotine većeg stupnja spasio se možda.. explozija na kraju je jebačka
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UKR rokanje po mostovima se nastavlja.. izgleda da su nešto i pogodili tamo..

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1556373340352290816

evo nešto i Rusi gađaju.. samo će oni to prodati da su uništili još jedan HIMARS

https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1556395944740114435

usput rokaju Ukrainci Ruse i u Melitopolu koji je par desetaka km iza prve linije fronte u Zaporožje oblasti(mislim pucam iz glave ili je neka susjedna ne znam gdje idu točno granice svake oblasti).

e da Rusi sve to planiraju anektirati.. ove explozije utjeruju strah u kosti Rusima i njihovim ambicijama o anexiji i daju nadu Ukraincima koji se ratuju eksplozijama i čekaju oslobođenje

https://twitter.com/Flash43191300/status/1556400766117711872

by **AssadNaPodmornici** 8/8/2022, 00:07

Pomaci na fronti 0 bodova, čak i sa Ruske strane kada su znali po danu ući u neko selo ili zauzeti brdo, danas vjerojatno niti to.. možda koju kuću.. kakav bezkoristan rat.. kao WW1

by AlfaOmega 8/8/2022, 07:35

Određeni pomaci jesu napravljeni proteklih dana na potezu Soledar - Bakhmut, te Pisky - Marinka. S tim da ni riječ o ozbiljnoj ofenzivi, već više o opipavanju kakvoće odbrane. Pa gdi se trbuh pokaže mekan, dovuče se dodatna mehanizacija (ka što je bija slučaj i sa Popasnom).
Rusima je strateški cilj ovladati Donbassom, a za tim nema neke žurbe jer vrime ne radi protiv njih (osim ak ćemo virovati budalama koji misle da će Rusija zaista ostati bez ljudstva i tehnike do Božića).

by AlfaOmega 8/8/2022, 07:40

Glede najava o slanju 100.000 dobrovoljaca iz Sjeverne Koreje. Nakon analize iz više izvora mere se zaključiti sljedeće:
Prvo se vijest pojavila na jednoj ruskoj tv postaji u emisiji političkog karaktera. Nakon toga u drugim ruskim medijima, kao i medijima u LNR i DNR. Onda su krenule informacije na sve strane. Točno je da je Sjeverna Koreja obećala do 100.000 dobrovoljaca. Ali od tog broja samo 10.000 do 15.000 vojnika. Ostalo su radnici raznih struka. Da pojasnim, vojnici se šalju ne samo kao pomoć ruskim snagama već i radi stjecanja stvarnog ratnog iskustva koje potom Sjeverna Koreja može analizirati i na temelju toga prilagoditi obuku i taktiku. Prvenstveno jer su sa druge strane snage koje je trenirao NATO savez. Prvenstveno je cilj poslati specijalne snage, snajperiste, topnike, vojno medicinsko osoblje, pilote helikoptera, operatore dronova. Također predviđena je rotacija snaga novim kontingentima svaka 3 do 4 mjeseca dok traje potreba, tako da više vojnika prođe stvarne borbene situacije. Ovo nije nikakva nova ideja jer su se sjevernokorejski vojnici borili u Siriji (u manjem broju), prvenstveno kao instruktori, topnici, operateri POVRSa, vojno medicinsko osoblje i snajperisti. Također, gledajućo kroz povijest ovo nije prvi put (borili su se u Egiptu u ratu protiv Izraela, u Vijetnamu, itd.).
Vezano za radnike. Sjeverna Koreja izvozi usluge radne snage raznih profila (od OFR-običnih fizičkih radnika do liječnika). Država uzima 80% zarade, ostatak ide obiteljima radnika. Onih 20% koje im ostanu od plaće je i dalje puno više nego se može zaraditi u Sjevernoj Koreji. Međutim, radnike čuvaju pripadnici sjevernokorejskih sigurnosnih službi. U slučaju da radnik,prilikom rada u inozemstvu pobjegne, bliža obitelj koja je ostala u Sjevernoj Koreji šalje se u "radni logor" ili "kampove za edukaciju" koje većina teško može preživjeti. Žalosno ali istinito. U Sjevernoj Koreji se daje veliki mito da bi se dospjelo na listu radnika kojima je odobreno ići vani, unatoč svim rizicima. Korisnici usluga sjevernokorejske radne snage su Kina (koja sad zbog nekadašnje politike jednog djeteta ima problema s dostupnosti radne snage, posebno za fizičke poslove), Rusija (posebno na Dalekom istoku, zbog slabe naseljenosti, nedostatka radno sposobnog stanovništva) i većinom afričke zemlje (liječnici i medicinsko osoblje). Afričke zemlje često koriste usluge sjevernokorejske vojske i sigurnosnih službi (obuka, uspostava nadzora, tehnički nadzor, elektronsko ratovanje, vojna industrija i sl.). Unatoč sankcijama smatra se da Sjeverna Koreja trenutno ima 110.000 do 130.000 radnika "vani".

by AlfaOmega 8/8/2022, 07:48

Rusi ipak uspjeli ući u selo Blagodane i sad udaraju na susjedno selo Partizanske, inače jedno od jačih uporišta ukrajinske vojske na putu za Nikolajev.

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by RayMabus 8/8/2022, 08:49

AssadNaPodmornici wrote:
https://twitter.com/L200troops/status/1556343335719243776
pogodak nekim ATGM (javelin) na RU tenk - T80.

Pazi, izgleda da jedan vojnik izgleda uspio iskočiti i dimi.. ako nema opekotine većeg stupnja spasio se možda.. explozija na kraju je jebačka
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Zato šta je to na plin jer je napravljeno za hladne zone a nafta se smrzne i onda ti T80 nisu na dizel nego na plin a plin ode u zrak ko bengalka, ispuše se u vis.

A to skroz na samom kraju je municija ( tenkovske granate ) eksplodirala.

by **Hektorović** 8/8/2022, 16:15

Ukraine: gladiator fights
Peter Skorobogaty

Journalist, expert of the PRISP Center

Journalist, expert of the PRISP Center Pyotr Skorobogaty talked to Ruslan Pukhov, Director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, about what difficulties the Russian armed forces are currently experiencing on the Ukrainian front, what consequences will be caused by the supply of Western equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and whether Western military corporations will be able to increase the production of arsenals.
- Western weapons began to be placed at the disposal of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. In your opinion, how successfully can the Russian army, armed mainly with Soviet equipment, resist them? What technical problems are our armed forces experiencing now?
- If we talk about the weapons of the new family, unfortunately, there are almost no fifth-generation combat aircraft in the Russian Armed Forces. The latest version of our Su-34 bombers belongs to fourth-generation plus aviation. In addition, we do not have enough high-precision weapons and modern vehicles. This further reduces the effectiveness of this type of bombers, which are either forced to use unguided bombs at an altitude reachable to enemy MANPADS, or are forced to abandon actions to support troops at all.
On the ground, the Russian army now uses mainly modernized third-generation tanks. Combat vehicles of the next Armata family still cannot enter service. Even our most modern available T-90 tank is a modification of outdated T-72. Simply put, the T-90 is a tuninig of a Soviet tank. Therefore, it is not quite fair to demand from them successful resistance to the latest Javelin, NLAW or Matador anti-tank systems. In addition, there was a paradoxical situation: the Soviet Union was the first country to invent an active defense complex (KAZ). But there is no KAZ on any of our drill tanks. This is, of course, a shame, because the experience of combat operations in Ukraine has shown that a tank without KAZ is now not able to survive on the battlefield at all.
At the same time, the Israelis equipped their tanks with active protection systems, the Americans began to install them on their tanks, but we did not. Therefore, I have a big question for our military and Uralvagonzavod.
- Do you mean active protection complexes?
- Yes. It's like in gladiatorial battles. One fights with a short sword and shield, and the other with a trident and a net. That is, they were armed differently. So it is now. In the Armed Forces of Ukraine, it is largely an infantry artillery army, and our armed forces perform on armored vehicles. And they are also not equipped with modern really effective protection.
- And what about the infantry?
- We have a very shortage of infantry. The front is large, and there are not enough people involved in a special operation. Relatively speaking, Ukrainians are defending, they have a lot of artillery and fighters. We have to break into the front with insufficient soldiers and on vulnerable tanks and IFVs. Now in Donbass, the Russian side is trying to solve this by using a large amount of artillery, but, as you can see, things are going very slowly.
Another point - the CBO showed that at the moment the airborne troops, roughly speaking, are a bad ersatz infantry. Because their aluminum BMDs are generally easily affected, and they have fewer other weapons than motorized rifles.
It should also be remembered that Ukrainians have been actively training their army for eight years. They "forceed" almost all their infantry through Donbass and actively used their artillery. That is, we used our artillery extremely limitedly, mainly in Syria or at exercises, and they are in a combat situation. That's why their artillerymen are more experienced. In addition, they learned to use their old Soviet guns in conjunction with commercial quadcopters. As a result, they have better, as it is now customary to say, "situational awareness", and they are better with target designation. Simply put, in the case of an artillery duel, they beat us more often. In general, the use of small drones has made a kind of revolution in the use of artillery. We actually missed this revolution and now we have to catch up "on the go."
The CBO once again confirmed the thesis that you can launch hundreds, thousands of unguided shells, which seem to be cheap, but all this power is reduced by two guided missiles that accurately hit the target. Two missiles, despite its high cost, will solve more problems than thousands of uncontrollable ones. Old conventional shells do not cause significant damage to the enemy, especially if he is deeply buried in the ground or sheltered in concrete bunkers. This is another confirmation of the triumph of high-precision weapons.
- Are the assault on Avdiivka, Maryinka just examples of what can be filled with shells for a month in well-fortified areas and not achieve a breakthrough?
- Yes, yes. Actually, the methods of World War I (to put it bluntly) do not work, especially if you do not have superiority over the enemy in the infantry. The combination of modern reconnaissance equipment (including unmanned) combined with a large number of high-precision means of destruction could solve the problem of the enemy's positional front - but that's what we lack. And plus, we simply do not have enough troops to effectively advance in another direction.
- Western states now supply weapons to Ukraine, in particular artillery and MLRS. These deliveries accordingly updated the issues of range of these guns. Why is the distance so important?
- The fact is that Soviet weapons, which are now used by both Russia and Ukraine, whether howitzers or multiple rocket systems, they, with few exceptions, beat no further than 20-25 km. Moreover, we have a lot of 122 mm howitzers, which generally fire only 13 km. Modern Western artillery is longer long-range - first of all we are talking about 155 mm howitzers with a barrel length of 39 calibers, and especially 52 calibers - the latter have a range of up to 40-41 km. The problem of the lag between the USSR and Russia in the range of artillery fire has been obvious since the eighties, alas. True, now Western equipment is still available to the Armed Forces of Ukraine in homeopathic doses, but supplies are increasing. Accordingly, during the artillery duel, Ukrainian systems will be able to destroy our batteries, and the return fire simply will not reach the target.
Finally, this issue becomes particularly acute in connection with the started supply of the Armed Forces of Ukraine of HIMARS and MLRS missile systems, which fire high-precision GMLRS missiles with GPS guidance and with a range of up to 85 km.
- What about aviation?
- There are two problems here - firstly, as already mentioned, we do not have enough high-precision ammunition and accurate means of detection and targeting in aviation, and secondly, there is an unsuppressed Ukrainian air defense operating on Soviet systems (S-300, Buk, etc.). In addition, Ukrainians received a large number of MANPADS. As a result, aviation cannot operate freely from either high and medium altitudes or low altitudes, which significantly limits its effectiveness, including the suppression of the same Ukrainian artillery and the impact on enemy troops. Frankly speaking, we have no dominance in the air. The start of deliveries of modern Western medium-range air defense systems to Ukraine may aggravate this problem.
On the supply of Western weapons
- Why are the supply of Western weapons so slow? Is this due to the difficulties of training or is they deliberately dosed?
- At the general political level in the West, there is still no political determination to supply Ukraine with really massive quantities of heavy weapons, as this will require both partial "napping" of its armed forces and the need to send large numbers of at least instructors to Ukraine for training, and in reality - their military operators for at least partial use of these weapons. The West is not yet ready to reach this level of involvement and escalation, except for some avid Russophobes, such as Poles.
Therefore, supplies to Ukraine are now largely limited to technical and organizational aspects that are persusifiable without such a degree of involvement. That is, it is necessary to preserve the equipment, carry out routine work. Then you need to train people from the Ukrainian side. Even if the soldiers are trained, they will not shoot in the same way as experienced fighters from the Western armies. That is, you need experience.
But Ukrainians learn very quickly, they turned out to be quite talented warriors. Training takes several weeks, so in fact, arms supplies are increasing, including qualitatively (the same HIMARS). By the end of summer, I think the situation on the fronts could become dramatic. In addition, we do not have mobilization, in fact we are fighting in the peacetime army. And they already have the fourth wave of mobilization, so there is no shortage of people. Yes, the personnel army is largely knocked out in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but there is the first reserve that was driven through the ATO. There are second and third echelons. That is, at some point there may be a positional impasse as in the Korean War since 1951, and our army will simply stand up and will not be able to move forward. We won't hit them with nuclear weapons.
- However, there is such a thesis that the supply of Western weapons is not so large that reserves can be formed. They are thrown into battle and immediately knocked out. Accordingly, it is difficult for Ukrainians to create a strike group for a counterattack.
- I'm not ready to argue with that. This thesis seems to be pronounced in TV talk shows for complacency. Yes, we see a picture that the Ukrainian "Volkssturm" somewhere in Lviv is armed with "Maxim" or "Degtyarev" machine guns. But those units that fight on the front line are quite well supplied. They have a Reserve Corps and in which case the Armed Forces of Ukraine can counterattack. I think they are better armed than Volkssturm. In fact, the underestimation of the enemy played an evil joke with us.
So far, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have not demonstrated the ability to effectively attack above the tactical level - to repel the village or the other. In fact, in the offensive they see the same tactical problems as the Russian side - the advancing forces are usually few, they fall under artillery fire (which usually cannot be suppressed) and quickly roll back or are unable to hold the positions just occupied, armored vehicles are massively affected. Let's see if Ukrainians will find themselves to something more in this regard.
- There is another thesis - it is not as important the number of barrels as the formation of a projectile reserve. According to your estimates, how regular is the supply of ammunition now, is it enough for combat operations? Is there a shell famine?
- I find it difficult to answer this question. The fact that they are still shelling Donetsk and they do not have a shortage of fuel and lubricants does not give the impression that the Armed Forces of Ukraine has serious problems with this. They are also living people, they also die, but I'm not sure that Ukrainians are experiencing serious shell hunger, especially in the light of the fact that they have begun to switch to Western systems with Western shell supplies. Although I may be mistaken.
I know one thing: unlike Ukrainians, we started SVO in white gloves. That is, we wanted no local to be hurt. We opened hostilities as some kind of knightly duel. And this, sorry for the expression, is a dirty fight in the gate, where there are no rules.
Test site Ukraine
- What is the state of the Western military-industrial complex now? By and large, Americans and Europeans had a chance to drop old weapons, clear warehouses. And it seems like it's rebooting. There are rumors that Western military corporations need a long time to restart their production. And others say that Ukraine is a testing ground for Western weapons, so they will better prepare for the next clashes.
- Yes, Western armies are getting rid of old equipment, and now they are ordering new ones. Of course, it is beneficial for states: there is a load, new jobs, new taxes and so on. Any war is a test site. For us it was Syria, for the West - Ukraine. There's nothing shameful here, it would be stupid not to use it.
Regarding the fact that they have some problems, I think this is Yaroslavna's standard crying of most military industrialists. They all over the world love to complain that they are missing something. Let's remember how delicious they were during the Cold War. All these productions can be quickly increased. If the Germans, say, miss chips, they will ask the Americans for them. If the Americans will be asked from Germany. For example, did you know that the Abrams tank has a German gun? They bought a license from them and do it very well. Often what we consider American is actually pan-Western and is done together. At one time, the United States bought licenses for unmanned aerial vehicles from Israel.
If we talk about quantities, we should not overestimate the complaints of the Western military. The total amount of weapons and equipment in service with the armies of the entire NATO bloc is very large, and it is many times larger than ours, and also mostly fresh.
- By and large, is there coordination between different contractors?
- Very often this happens not at the state level, but at the level of private companies. For example, when we wanted to buy Mistral-class universal landing ships from France, they had to make French. Because a number of American components or French parts made under an American license are involved in the manufacture of these ships for their needs. The Americans refused to supply components for the sake of the Russian order, then they had to finalize the ship.
Western military companies like Korean components because they are cheap. The presence of many production chains can potentially cause trouble. But do not think that these problems will create a barrier to meet your own and Ukrainian technical needs. There may be interruptions in the supply of individual nodes, but this is only in particular.

by **Hektorović** 8/8/2022, 16:48

Ukratko ukoliko Rusija ne nabavi suvremeno Sjeverno Korejsko topništvo, Ukrajina će bez probema dominirati bojnim poljem sa svojim zapadnim sustavima koji su boljih preformansi od Sovjetskih sustava u Rusiji.

U svakom slučaju Ruska pozicija će znatno oslabiti u sljedećih 30tak dana, kad Ukrajina jače krene na Melitopol i Kherson (ovo do sad su samo pripreme i ispitivanja)

Nije nemoguće da se Kherson pretvori u Ruski Staljingrad, dakle veliki gubitak vojne sile pošto neće imati kamo (osim da preplivaju Dnjepar).

by **Hektorović** 8/8/2022, 16:48

Ukratko ukoliko Rusija ne nabavi suvremeno Sjeverno Korejsko topništvo, Ukrajina će bez probema dominirati bojnim poljem sa svojim zapadnim sustavima koji su boljih preformansi od Sovjetskih sustava u Rusiji.

U svakom slučaju Ruska pozicija će znatno oslabiti u sljedećih 30tak dana, kad Ukrajina jače krene na Melitopol i Kherson (ovo do sad su samo pripreme i ispitivanja)

Nije nemoguće da se Kherson pretvori u Ruski Staljingrad, dakle veliki gubitak vojne sile pošto neće imati kamo (osim da preplivaju Dnjepar).

by **AssadNaPodmornici** 8/8/2022, 17:14

Odlična analiza toga Rusa

by **AssadNaPodmornici** 8/8/2022, 17:22

Hektorović wrote:Ukratko ukoliko Rusija ne nabavi suvremeno Sjeverno Korejsko topništvo, Ukrajina će bez probema dominirati bojnim poljem sa svojim zapadnim sustavima koji su boljih preformansi od Sovjetskih sustava u Rusiji.

U svakom slučaju Ruska pozicija će znatno oslabiti u sljedećih 30tak dana, kad Ukrajina jače krene na Melitopol i Kherson (ovo do sad su samo pripreme i ispitivanja)

Nije nemoguće da se Kherson pretvori u Ruski Staljingrad, dakle veliki gubitak vojne sile pošto neće imati kamo (osim da preplivaju Dnjepar).

Strelkov govori o Sj.Korejskom topništvu, sa gusjenicama koje navodno ima domet +40km.
Inače zna se da Rusija ima prednost u svom tipu oružja, ali trenutno Ukrainca ima prednost u SPOgovima većeg dometa +30km.

To o potencijalnom završetku Hersonske operacije tako i govori Arestovič(Ukrainska verzija Strelkova). Kaže da njima uopće nije problem što Rusija dovlači pojačanja u Herson(I zaporožje/Melitopol) -
da je sam Herson vrlo težak za RU logistiku , i ako imaš veći broj vojnika i tehnike, moraš dnevno više logistike im dostavljati a onda ako im oni nanesu dovoljno gubitaka u logistici i komadnim centrima, veći broj Ruske vojske i tehnike će se naći u neobranom grodžu. A onda će odjedanput biti prisiljeni na neko panično povlačenje gdje će morati uteći i ostaviti velik dio teškog oružja iza sebe.. što će utjecati na to da će se srušiti njihov moral i borbene mogućnosti na cijeloj fronti a onda bi se to odmah odrazilo na ostatak južne Ukraine. To su neki Ukrainski recimo "vlažni snovi" .

Ali gotovo nema dana da Ukrainci nešto ne udaraju na potezu od Hersona do Melitopola, navodno je u jučerašnjem napadu tamo poginulo dosta vojnika. Inače Rusi su na ovom području koncetrirali 50BTGova (od ukupno cca 110).

Inače Ruski blogeri pišu sljedeće o Hersonu;

Russians complaining about the situation in Kherson. No food, no water, every time supplies are destroyed it takes a long time to recover them, the local people hate them and relay their positions to ZSU, and likely the whole area will have to be abandoned.

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Problemi sa logistikom, Ukrainci rokaju non stop, a lokalna populacija ih mrzi i javlja Ukraincima ciljeve

by **AssadNaPodmornici** 8/8/2022, 17:40

E da navodno su Ukrainci uništili dosta RU PZO sustava u Hersonskoj oblasti koristeći AGM-88 HARM projektile koje su pazi, lansirali umjesto sa zračnih platformi, sa improviziranih bacača raketa. (Kao Brimstone). Iden baš 5min googlati mogu li se ti projektili tako lansirati(mogu naravno) i koliko im je domet..

by **Hektorović** 8/8/2022, 17:44

AssadNaPodmornici wrote:Odlična analiza toga Rusa

Van Putinovog Kremaljskog kruga i vojnog vrha, koji su uglavnom razni Banožići i dupelizci, Rusi imaju prave eksperte koji stvarno daju realne analize. Bit će zanimljivo kako će ova Z zombie ekipa reagirati na teške Ruske poraze.

Naravno odlučuju razni lupeži... Pa zato Sjeverna Koreja danas ima moderno topništvo kompetitivno sa zapadnim, dok Rusija to nema nego je sve iz SSSR-a. (Strelkov je neki dan dobro opisao situaciju kao "tugom").

by **AssadNaPodmornici** 8/8/2022, 17:49

Hektorović wrote:
AssadNaPodmornici wrote:Odlična analiza toga Rusa

Van Putinovog Kremaljskog kruga i vojnog vrha, koji su uglavnom razni Banožići i dupelizci, Rusi imaju prave eksperte koji stvarno daju realne analize. Bit će zanimljivo kako će ova Z zombie ekipa reagirati na teške Ruske poraze.

Naravno odlučuju razni lupeži... Pa zato Sjeverna Koreja danas ima moderno topništvo kompetitivno sa zapadnim, dok Rusija to nema nego je sve iz SSSR-a. (Strelkov je neki dan dobro opisao situaciju kao "tugom").

I sada žicaju od Iran dronove. Pazi tko je mogao zamisliti prije par desetljeća da će jedna super-sila Rusija žicati od Islamske diktature high-tech oružje. Isto tako čitao sam Ruske blogere, da Ruska vojska i nakon što je u ratu Armenija vs Azaerbeđan vidjela efekete dronova, to im je doslovno bilo 5 do 12 da ih uvedu masovno, nisu kurcom mrdnuli.. Strelkov pljuje po Ruskom-vojno-političkom vrhu, da im i dalje dolaze lažne informacije da je sve super, sve ludnica, dok je na terenu kaos.. a oni gore sebi djele medalje i zasluge... on bi smjenio cijeli Ruski vojni vrh da se njega pita

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