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A ce trebati boostera, 6. doza u najavi...7. Pecat gratis sendvicHektorović wrote:[size=44]Slovenski imunolog: Cijepljeni će biti manje zaštićeni od omikrona nego preboljeli[/size]
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Omikron
Previše hamburgera za vrijeme lockdowna :D :)
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Virusni imunolog Ilija Brizić: Iznenađuje me da se taj novi soj pojavio nedavno, a već je prisutan u velikom broju država. TU NEŠTO NEDOSTAJE...
https://hr.n1info.com/vijesti/virusni-imunolog-za-n1-objasnio-sto-dosad-znamo-o-omikronu/
https://hr.n1info.com/vijesti/virusni-imunolog-za-n1-objasnio-sto-dosad-znamo-o-omikronu/
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No, Covid 19 is not an old person problem
Nassim Nicholas Taleb
Clearly Covid affects the old, disproportionately. But so do practically almost all other ailments. A simple fact of life, in a population, it is the old that die disproportionally of all causes.
If you look at the force of mortality of the population, you would notice that Covid reduces life expectancy across the board in proportion to people’s mortality, an effect at starts before middle age.
Fig 1- Multiplier of the Force of Mortality Across Age Groups >30, Nov. 2021. For the youth the ratio is both lower and much more unstable owing the rarity of both death and death from COVID.
Now the numbers in the graph represent the boost in mortality for all citizens over the period concerned (U.S. fatalities represents about 800K and counting, not taking into account a potential underestimation by ~200K). Now this represents the mortality boost after all mitigating measures, which includes travel restrictions, quarantines, lockdowns, vaccines, isolation, masks, etc. Nor does the graph above show the delayed effects of morbidity. Recall that only 48 million U.S. citizens have been reportedly affected so far. Should the entire population be infected (what some ignorant idiots call “herd immunity”), the effect would potentially be multiplied by >5 (or, taking into account the underestimation of cases, perhaps >3).
Now if we were to compute the effect on life expectancy, note that the effect acts across the board: a 30 year old loses more than 50 years of life, an 80 y.o. loses about a decade, etc.
The same people who advocate senicide fail to get counterfactuals right. For instance, just as one legislator one day announced that airplane checks were redundant because there had been no more terrorist incidents, many are arguing about mitigating measures on ground that fewer people have been dying on Covid.
Nassim Nicholas Taleb
Clearly Covid affects the old, disproportionately. But so do practically almost all other ailments. A simple fact of life, in a population, it is the old that die disproportionally of all causes.
If you look at the force of mortality of the population, you would notice that Covid reduces life expectancy across the board in proportion to people’s mortality, an effect at starts before middle age.
Fig 1- Multiplier of the Force of Mortality Across Age Groups >30, Nov. 2021. For the youth the ratio is both lower and much more unstable owing the rarity of both death and death from COVID.
Now the numbers in the graph represent the boost in mortality for all citizens over the period concerned (U.S. fatalities represents about 800K and counting, not taking into account a potential underestimation by ~200K). Now this represents the mortality boost after all mitigating measures, which includes travel restrictions, quarantines, lockdowns, vaccines, isolation, masks, etc. Nor does the graph above show the delayed effects of morbidity. Recall that only 48 million U.S. citizens have been reportedly affected so far. Should the entire population be infected (what some ignorant idiots call “herd immunity”), the effect would potentially be multiplied by >5 (or, taking into account the underestimation of cases, perhaps >3).
Now if we were to compute the effect on life expectancy, note that the effect acts across the board: a 30 year old loses more than 50 years of life, an 80 y.o. loses about a decade, etc.
Unconditional Eugenics
The “old person problem” related to Covid becomes effectively an argument of unconditional eugenics, unconditional senicide/geronticide.If Covid is an old person problem, deserving to be ignored on that account, so let’s treat cardiology, oncology, urology, internal medicine in the same manner.
The same people who advocate senicide fail to get counterfactuals right. For instance, just as one legislator one day announced that airplane checks were redundant because there had been no more terrorist incidents, many are arguing about mitigating measures on ground that fewer people have been dying on Covid.
Golden Rule (Ergodic) Argument
Another problem young psychopaths don’t get is that the way society is built is via dynamic not static reasoning. As I keep writing in the Incerto, a certain class of people (usually involved in technology) affected with Black Swan blindness have a mental disorder making them ignore that things move. A 30 y.o. is not going to be frozen in complete youth and (civilized) societies have been organized around intergenerational commitments: you treat the current elderly the way you would like to be treated when you grow older. For even psychopaths will be older some day.
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Gnječ wrote:Virusni imunolog Ilija Brizić: Iznenađuje me da se taj novi soj pojavio nedavno, a već je prisutan u velikom broju država. TU NEŠTO NEDOSTAJE...
https://hr.n1info.com/vijesti/virusni-imunolog-za-n1-objasnio-sto-dosad-znamo-o-omikronu/
Na pitanje zašto je smrtnost u Hrvatskoj veća nego u mnogim drugim zemljama, kaže: “Ako pričamo o zadnjem valu, onda znamo da je naša procijepljenost bila puno manja. S druge strane, mjere su bila slabije, osobito u odnosu na zapadne države. To su dva parametra s kojima možemo utjecati na te ishode.”
pa koji kurac se onda ne cijepite, ako ga već stavljaš kao autoritet i mjerodavnog stručnjaka? I da proglase mjere, opet bi srali i negodovali.
pokerjocker- Posts : 899
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i daj mu vi sad lijepo objasnite kako smrtnost ovdje nije veća, sere lik beezveze...
pokerjocker- Posts : 899
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“Vidimo da su brojevi vrlo veliki, oni su veliko opterećenje. Ako imamo 5000 slučajeva ili više, svima je jasno da je to previše. Čak i ako se dogodi da nam slijedi pad, ako se dovoljan broj ljudi ne procijepi, slijedi nam novi val. Ako se želimo ozbiljno uhvatiti u koštac s ovom pandemijom, potrebno je cijepiti dovoljan broj ljudi. Mi zaostajemo i to je jedan naš hendikep. Naš je broj debelo ispod onoga kakav bi trebao biti da mi možemo biti opušteniji”, zaključuje.
razapeće ga sad
razapeće ga sad
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[size=46]Vjerojatno je taj virus dugo bio u osobi koja je imunokompromitirana, vjerojatno u osobi oboljeloj od AIDS-a, i to mu je omogućilo da mutira.[/size]
[size=46]A nista, pobit sve pedere preventivno mi se pikamo 4,5 puta da bi ovi sa sidom uzgajali nove sojeve i sjebavali nam zastitu[/size]
[size=46]A nista, pobit sve pedere preventivno mi se pikamo 4,5 puta da bi ovi sa sidom uzgajali nove sojeve i sjebavali nam zastitu[/size]
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pokerjocker wrote:Gnječ wrote:Virusni imunolog Ilija Brizić: Iznenađuje me da se taj novi soj pojavio nedavno, a već je prisutan u velikom broju država. TU NEŠTO NEDOSTAJE...
https://hr.n1info.com/vijesti/virusni-imunolog-za-n1-objasnio-sto-dosad-znamo-o-omikronu/
Na pitanje zašto je smrtnost u Hrvatskoj veća nego u mnogim drugim zemljama, kaže: “Ako pričamo o zadnjem valu, onda znamo da je naša procijepljenost bila puno manja. S druge strane, mjere su bila slabije, osobito u odnosu na zapadne države. To su dva parametra s kojima možemo utjecati na te ishode.”
pa koji kurac se onda ne cijepite, ako ga već stavljaš kao autoritet i mjerodavnog stručnjaka? I da proglase mjere, opet bi srali i negodovali.
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pokerjocker wrote:Gnječ wrote:Virusni imunolog Ilija Brizić: Iznenađuje me da se taj novi soj pojavio nedavno, a već je prisutan u velikom broju država. TU NEŠTO NEDOSTAJE...
https://hr.n1info.com/vijesti/virusni-imunolog-za-n1-objasnio-sto-dosad-znamo-o-omikronu/
Na pitanje zašto je smrtnost u Hrvatskoj veća nego u mnogim drugim zemljama, kaže: “Ako pričamo o zadnjem valu, onda znamo da je naša procijepljenost bila puno manja. S druge strane, mjere su bila slabije, osobito u odnosu na zapadne države. To su dva parametra s kojima možemo utjecati na te ishode.”
pa koji kurac se onda ne cijepite, ako ga već stavljaš kao autoritet i mjerodavnog stručnjaka? I da proglase mjere, opet bi srali i negodovali.
Šupčino, ovo nije forum nogomet i moj tata ima dužeg nego je ovo tema Korona novosti i spoznaje
znači spoznaje i novosti. ovaj virolog je javno rekao da nešto nedostaje tj. da mu nikako nije jasno kako se u nekoliko dana omikron soj proširio po cijeloj planeti.
i meni to nije jasno jer da toliko ljudi is svih krajeva svijeta putuje u i iz Bocwane ne vjerujem.
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Only the Fully Vaccinated should fear the New “Worst Ever” Covid-19 Variant; data shows they already account for 4 in every 5 Covid Deaths
With the emergence of an alleged new variant that the UK Health Secretary Sajid Javid said “may evade the current vaccines”, despite also saying “that is why you should get your boosters” in the same sentence, we felt it was best to take you on a journey through three months worth of UKHSA Covid-19 data to show you why, if the rumours are true, the unvaccinated population have absolutely nothing to worry about, but the vaccinated population have everything to fear.
You’ve most likely been seeing headlines like ‘Worst Ever Covid Variant’ in the mainstream media, such as this one from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation funded
Current trends suggest that the unvaccinated will no doubt be blamed for the emergence of this new variant, and the onslaught of propaganda designed to sway the nation into supporting a lockdown of the unvaccinated will probably now pick up pace.
But is this justified?
The UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) publish a weekly ‘Vaccine Surveillance’ report containing statistics on Covid-19 cases, hospitalisations and deaths by vaccination status across England over the past four weeks.
Their latest report, published Thursday November 25th covers data on infections, hospitalisations and deaths from Week 43 to Week 46 of 2021 (October 25th – November 21st).
The report reveals that there were 833,332 recorded Covid-19 cases, 9,094 Covid-19 hospitalisations and 3,700 Covid-19 deaths from October 25th to November 21st. Of these the unvaccinated accounted for 39% of all cases, 34% of all hospitalisations, and 19% of all deaths. Whilst the vaccinated accounted for 61% of all cases, 66% of all hospitalisations, and 81% of all deaths.
But a more detailed look at three months worth of Covid-19 data published by the agency reveals that projections show the fully vaccinated were already in for a very rough winter prior to the alleged emergence of the “worst ever” Covid-19 variant. Infections rates are already much higher among the fully vaccinated, and the case-fatality rate is frighteningly worse than what is being seen among the unvaccinated population.
We used the following reports for our analysis –
COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report – Week 39 (Covers Week 35-38)
COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report – Week 43 (Covers Week 39-42)
COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report – Week 47 (Covers Week 43-46)
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The reason the fully vaccinated are actually suffering far worse than the unvaccinated, and are projected to suffer worse still, could have something to do with the fact that the data suggests the Covid-19 injections are decimating the immune systems of the vaccinated, as we demonstrated in a previous article published Tuesday November 16th which can be viewed here.
https://dailyexpose.uk/2021/11/27/only-the-fully-vaccinated-should-fear-the-new-variant/
With the emergence of an alleged new variant that the UK Health Secretary Sajid Javid said “may evade the current vaccines”, despite also saying “that is why you should get your boosters” in the same sentence, we felt it was best to take you on a journey through three months worth of UKHSA Covid-19 data to show you why, if the rumours are true, the unvaccinated population have absolutely nothing to worry about, but the vaccinated population have everything to fear.
You’ve most likely been seeing headlines like ‘Worst Ever Covid Variant’ in the mainstream media, such as this one from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation funded
Current trends suggest that the unvaccinated will no doubt be blamed for the emergence of this new variant, and the onslaught of propaganda designed to sway the nation into supporting a lockdown of the unvaccinated will probably now pick up pace.
But is this justified?
The UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) publish a weekly ‘Vaccine Surveillance’ report containing statistics on Covid-19 cases, hospitalisations and deaths by vaccination status across England over the past four weeks.
Their latest report, published Thursday November 25th covers data on infections, hospitalisations and deaths from Week 43 to Week 46 of 2021 (October 25th – November 21st).
The report reveals that there were 833,332 recorded Covid-19 cases, 9,094 Covid-19 hospitalisations and 3,700 Covid-19 deaths from October 25th to November 21st. Of these the unvaccinated accounted for 39% of all cases, 34% of all hospitalisations, and 19% of all deaths. Whilst the vaccinated accounted for 61% of all cases, 66% of all hospitalisations, and 81% of all deaths.
But a more detailed look at three months worth of Covid-19 data published by the agency reveals that projections show the fully vaccinated were already in for a very rough winter prior to the alleged emergence of the “worst ever” Covid-19 variant. Infections rates are already much higher among the fully vaccinated, and the case-fatality rate is frighteningly worse than what is being seen among the unvaccinated population.
We used the following reports for our analysis –
COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report – Week 39 (Covers Week 35-38)
COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report – Week 43 (Covers Week 39-42)
COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report – Week 47 (Covers Week 43-46)
.....
The reason the fully vaccinated are actually suffering far worse than the unvaccinated, and are projected to suffer worse still, could have something to do with the fact that the data suggests the Covid-19 injections are decimating the immune systems of the vaccinated, as we demonstrated in a previous article published Tuesday November 16th which can be viewed here.
https://dailyexpose.uk/2021/11/27/only-the-fully-vaccinated-should-fear-the-new-variant/
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tipičina antivakser, glava ti služi samo da ti kiša ne pada u trbuh. kako sam već napisao, uzmete što vam paše, ostalo preskočite ili ignorirate. debili... kad ga već komentiraš, što ne iskomentiraš ovo što sam naznačio? zajebana situacija jel?
pokerjocker- Posts : 899
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Jasno je što dijagram prikazuje, ali tumačenje koje se nudi u tekstu i više je nego manjkavo jer implicira čitatelju da je sav višak smrtnosti nastao samo i isključivo zbog covida. I ptice na grani znaju da tome nije tako.Hektorović wrote:Now this represents the mortality boost after all mitigating measures, which includes travel restrictions, quarantines, lockdowns, vaccines, isolation, masks, etc. Nor does the graph above show the delayed effects of morbidity. Recall that only 48 million U.S. citizens have been reportedly affected so far. Should the entire population be infected (what some ignorant idiots call “herd immunity”), the effect would potentially be multiplied by >5 (or, taking into account the underestimation of cases, perhaps >3).
Odnosno, ono što se ovdje naziva mitigating measures nema isključivo karakter mjera koje ublažavaju smrtne ishode, nego istovremeno na ovaj ili onaj način i doprinose smrtnosti - poglavito lockdown (i to osobito aušvic-tip lockdowna) i naravno cjepiva.
Druga metodološka greška je vezanje uz prijavljene slučajeve infekcije (reportedly affected). Već smo ovo žvakali N puta tu na forumu. Stvarni broj je masu veći od službenog broja. Čak je i naš nesretni HZJZ u veljači došao do otkrića da cca. 25% naše populacije ima antitijela.
Meni se u svakom slučaju čini da je jedini izlaz iz pandemije taj herd immunity for idiots, dakle kroz preboljavanje i to uz istovremeno sustezanje od masovnog procjepljivanja, htjeli mi to ili ne. Mislim da u slučaju nastavka masovnog procjepljivanja čak niti s masovnim preboljavanjima vjerojatno nećemo postići imunitet jer će se zbog jako brzih mutacija virusa vjerojatno stalno događati dovoljan broj reinfekcija i infekcija cijepljenih da se pandemiju konstantno održava na životu. Nadam se da sam u krivu...
S druge strane prvi epidemiolog svijeta, Bill Gates, najavljuje slabljenje i nestanak pandemije tijekom iduće godine. Možda zna nešto što mi znamo.
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pokerjocker wrote:tipičina antivakser, glava ti služi samo da ti kiša ne pada u trbuh. kako sam već napisao, uzmete što vam paše, ostalo preskočite ili ignorirate. debili... kad ga već komentiraš, što ne iskomentiraš ovo što sam naznačio? zajebana situacija jel?
nemam što iskomentirati jer tko se želi cijepiti neka se cijepi ja nemam ništa protiv.
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mutava baštarda wrote:Evo nekoliko simptoma koji se mogu osjetiti ukoliko ste zaraženi Omikron koronavirusom:
- Groznica;
- Slabost i bol u mišićima;
- Grlobolja;
- Kašalj, suh ili produktivan;
- Poteškoće s disanjem;
- Brojne komplikacije povezane sa srcem, uključujući zatajenje srca, aritmiju, upalu srca i krvne ugruške;
- Dezorijentacija, vrtoglavica, promijenjeno psihičko stanje i glavobolja;
- COVID magla ili COVID magla mozga je vrsta kognitivnog poremećaja karakteriziranog gubitkom pamćenja, nepažnjom, lošom koncentracijom ili nedostatkom orijentacije;
- Privremeni gubitak osjeta mirisa i okusa;
- Deluzije, moždani udari, krvarenja u mozgu, kognitivni poremećaji, psihoze, oštećenje perifernih živaca, anksioznost i posttraumatski stresni poremećaj;
- Gastrointestinalni simptomi, kao što su povraćanje, proljev i gubitak apetita;
- U teškim slučajevima može doći do smrti od zatajenja više organa, septičkog šoka i drugih komplikacija;
Klimatske promjene neće biti krive za neibjašnjive slučajeve mrtvih od kardiovaskularnih bolesti nego Omikron
Kakve napoje ekipa guta to je nešto...
omikron, paravan za sva sranja vezano za cjepiva
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objasnili su i zašto je to preskočeno, iako nije nu nego ni pa im je ovo new bezvezeHektorović wrote:
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