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Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
by Hektorović 8/11/2021, 13:11
Company That Managed Pfizer Vaccine Trial Sites ‘Falsified Data’: Whistleblower
- Ventavia, a subcontractor for Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine phase 3 clinical trial, allegedly falsified data, unblinded patients and was slow to follow up on adverse events.
- Brook Jackson reportedly brought these problems up with her superiors – but was fired shortly after she emailed a complaint to the US Food and Drug Administration.
- The FDA didn’t follow up on Jackson’s complaint – and Pfizer, which has known of the problems at Ventavia, has hired the company for four more trials.
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Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
by ljubo1212 8/11/2021, 13:13
lepi, a moraš biti lijep, jer nemre te bog 2x kaznitimutava baštarda wrote:ljubo1212 wrote:lepi, još jednom, koji im je postotak cijepljenih? koliko je postotak necijepljenih po dobi i tko im zaražava starije, pa i cijepljene?
pitanje o cjepivu protiv gripe ti nema smisla, jer to nema nikakve veze s cjepivom protiv korone i tvojim tumačenjem istoga
još jednom, slučaj korone, bolnički slučaj i smrtnost od korone nemaju te korelacije
zato uk na koji se pozivaš nastavlja s cijepljenjem
Evo tebi i lepome... Zadnji službeni podaci, pošto naši malo kasne uzeo sam naš najnoviji i UK za na taj dan.
Evo pa ti i lepi odgonetnute kako je smrtnost u UK 20% veća, a kod nas 1% manja od prosjeka. Za mene je to odlična stvar, ne znam za tebe i lepog...
dakle, ne znam odakle vadiš taj graf i kažeš da je služben
vidim da je mrtvih više 2020/21 u odnosu na 2015/19
evo službeno za rh, podaci državnog zavoda i eurostat
imaš po tjednima, imaš i filmić, od 2020 do 2021
https://www.dzs.hr/Hrv/Covid-19/stanovnistvo-umrli.html
https://appsso.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/nui/show.do?dataset=demo_r_mwk_ts&lang=en
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Excess_mortality_-_statistics
što točno želiš dokazati to valjda samo ti znaš....
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Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
by Guest 8/11/2021, 13:18
3 lopate, 2 lopate, voda. cjepivo. čudo. science.Eroo wrote:Slažem se. Zaboravio si spomeniti i neučinkovito zaprašivanje komaraca u Baranji i Slavoniji.ebenica wrote:a možda i tome kaj su zabranili pušenje u pub-ovima još 2007 i drastično smanjili broj pušača dok se u hravtskim kafićima još uvijek nesmetano puši i nema drastičnog pada pušača kao u UK.Eroo wrote:
Ovo možemo pripisati samo visokoj procijepljenosti u UK,
.
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Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
by T. 8/11/2021, 13:19
Pfizer je u zadnjih 20 godina platio milijarde usd kazni radi prekršaja protiv zdravlja ljudi...Hektorović wrote:Company That Managed Pfizer Vaccine Trial Sites ‘Falsified Data’: Whistleblower
- Ventavia, a subcontractor for Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine phase 3 clinical trial, allegedly falsified data, unblinded patients and was slow to follow up on adverse events.
- Brook Jackson reportedly brought these problems up with her superiors – but was fired shortly after she emailed a complaint to the US Food and Drug Administration.
- The FDA didn’t follow up on Jackson’s complaint – and Pfizer, which has known of the problems at Ventavia, has hired the company for four more trials.
pa kaže 'vjeruj u znanost'...
violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org%2Fparent%2Fpfizer&usg=AOvVaw0pQyM2h5QJgJvSitwUkp7v
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Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
by Hektorović 8/11/2021, 13:32
https://www.totalhealth.co.uk/blog/bmj-reports-covid-19-vaccine-trial-whistleblower
BMJ reports on COVID-19 vaccine trial whistleblower
So, why were no questions raised by the FDA (publication or peer reviewers) about the integrity of the data? It would seem that the same party was judge, jury, executioner and recipient of the approval.
Dr Thomas Wickens commenting on Linked In says "dangerous not only for patients, but also the industry, investors ..anyone that relies on the credibility of industrial R&D". Dr Payal Keswarpu replying, "It is a practice which is against science, humanity and trust".
A published response comment on the BMJ says, "It's hard to understand how we can trust the safety data provided by Pfizer".
Dr Clare Craig on Twitter points out, "Whistleblowers claiming serious problems with Pfizer trial."
Many people have been raising questions over both the efficacy and safety of the mRNA treatments. More recent official government data is starting to show larger rates of infection in the the vaccinated compared with the unvaccinated. Although the claims have been increasingly dwindling to the point where it is now accepted that the jab does not offer the level of protection that was first claimed, the original efficacy claims were based on the reports from the Phase III clinical trials. It is therefore important that the results from these experimental clinical trials can be trusted.
Update - latest official statistics comparing case rates:
UKHSA Efficacy Stats Death Watch: Week 44
The key twelve points Paul covers are as follows:
1. There was a need for speed in the Texas labs (Ventavia Research Group) conducting the contracted research during Autumn 2020.
2. Speed may have come at the cost of data integrity and patient safety.
4. Staff who conducted quality control checks were overwhelmed by the volume of problems they were finding.
5. After repeatedly notifying Ventavia of these problems, the regional director, Brook Jackson, emailed a complaint to the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Ventavia fired her later the same day. Jackson has provided The BMJ with dozens of internal company documents, photos, audio recordings, and emails.
6. Jackson was a trained clinical trial auditor who previously held a director of operations position and came to Ventavia with more than 15 years’ experience in clinical research coordination and management.
7. Jackson documented several matters late one night, taking photos on her mobile phone. One photo showed vaccine packaging materials with trial participants’ identification numbers written on them left out in the open, potentially unblinding participants.
8. Jackson told The BMJ that drug assignment confirmation printouts were being left in participants’ charts, accessible to (theoretically) blinded personnel. As a corrective action taken in September, two months into trial recruitment and with around 1000 participants already enrolled, quality assurance checklists were updated with instructions for staff to remove drug assignments from charts.
9. The company wasn’t able to quantify the types and number of errors they were finding when examining the trial paperwork for quality control.
10. There were over one hundred outstanding queries requiring contact, “to ascertain further details and determine whether a site visit is clinically indicated.”
11. The FDA were notified of specific concerns, but took no action. These concerns included:
Pfizer has subsequently hired Ventavia as a research subcontractor on four other vaccine clinical trials including COVID-19 vaccine in children and young adults, pregnant women, and a booster dose.
BMJ reports on COVID-19 vaccine trial whistleblower
Following the article published in the BMJ demonstrating that a whistleblower has revealed that the Pfizer pivotal COVID-19 vaccine (Phase III) trial was fundamentally compromised, there has been a huge global reaction amongst senior scientists.
Dr Michael Tomlinson a governance and quality assurance consultant says that this evidence, "Destroys the credibility of the research". In a message he goes onto explain, "It is the reddest of red flags. FDA knew about it and are culpable for not even mentioning it in their brief to the advisory committee that recommended approval." He goes onto point out, "Remember too that Pfizer led by the nose the authors of the trial report published in the NEJM: 'Pfizer was responsible for the design and conduct of the trial, data collection, data analysis, data interpretation, and the writing of the manuscript."So, why were no questions raised by the FDA (publication or peer reviewers) about the integrity of the data? It would seem that the same party was judge, jury, executioner and recipient of the approval.
Dr Thomas Wickens commenting on Linked In says "dangerous not only for patients, but also the industry, investors ..anyone that relies on the credibility of industrial R&D". Dr Payal Keswarpu replying, "It is a practice which is against science, humanity and trust".
A published response comment on the BMJ says, "It's hard to understand how we can trust the safety data provided by Pfizer".
Dr Clare Craig on Twitter points out, "Whistleblowers claiming serious problems with Pfizer trial."
Many people have been raising questions over both the efficacy and safety of the mRNA treatments. More recent official government data is starting to show larger rates of infection in the the vaccinated compared with the unvaccinated. Although the claims have been increasingly dwindling to the point where it is now accepted that the jab does not offer the level of protection that was first claimed, the original efficacy claims were based on the reports from the Phase III clinical trials. It is therefore important that the results from these experimental clinical trials can be trusted.
Update - latest official statistics comparing case rates:
UKHSA Efficacy Stats Death Watch: Week 44
What are the revelations that have come to light?
Paul Thacker writing for the BMJ exposes a number of revelations that have now come to light with regard to how the clinical trials on the Pfizer vaccine were (mis) managed. If right, this raises serious questions over data integrity and the regulatory oversight that allowed the approval for the launch of this product. Paul states that his only competing interest in the publication of the piece is that he, "has been doubly vaccinated with Pfizer’s vaccine".The key twelve points Paul covers are as follows:
1. There was a need for speed in the Texas labs (Ventavia Research Group) conducting the contracted research during Autumn 2020.
2. Speed may have come at the cost of data integrity and patient safety.
3. A regional director who was employed at Ventavia Research Group told the BMJ that the company falsified data, unblinded patients, employed inadequately trained vaccinators, and was slow to follow up on adverse events reported in Pfizer’s pivotal phase III trial.falsified data, unblinded patients, employed inadequately trained vaccinators
4. Staff who conducted quality control checks were overwhelmed by the volume of problems they were finding.
5. After repeatedly notifying Ventavia of these problems, the regional director, Brook Jackson, emailed a complaint to the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Ventavia fired her later the same day. Jackson has provided The BMJ with dozens of internal company documents, photos, audio recordings, and emails.
6. Jackson was a trained clinical trial auditor who previously held a director of operations position and came to Ventavia with more than 15 years’ experience in clinical research coordination and management.
7. Jackson documented several matters late one night, taking photos on her mobile phone. One photo showed vaccine packaging materials with trial participants’ identification numbers written on them left out in the open, potentially unblinding participants.
8. Jackson told The BMJ that drug assignment confirmation printouts were being left in participants’ charts, accessible to (theoretically) blinded personnel. As a corrective action taken in September, two months into trial recruitment and with around 1000 participants already enrolled, quality assurance checklists were updated with instructions for staff to remove drug assignments from charts.
9. The company wasn’t able to quantify the types and number of errors they were finding when examining the trial paperwork for quality control.
10. There were over one hundred outstanding queries requiring contact, “to ascertain further details and determine whether a site visit is clinically indicated.”
11. The FDA were notified of specific concerns, but took no action. These concerns included:
- Participants placed in a hallway after injection and not being monitored by clinical staff
- Lack of timely follow-up of patients who experienced adverse events
- Protocol deviations not being reported
- Vaccines not being stored at proper temperatures
- Mislabelled laboratory specimens, and
- Targeting of Ventavia staff for reporting these types of problems.
Pfizer has subsequently hired Ventavia as a research subcontractor on four other vaccine clinical trials including COVID-19 vaccine in children and young adults, pregnant women, and a booster dose.
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Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
by Hektorović 8/11/2021, 13:35
Paul D. Thacker, the author of the BMJ article, also spoke to two former Ventavia employees who, he wrote, “confirmed broad aspects of Jackson’s complaint”.
One person who had worked on over 50 clinical trials in her career said she had “never experienced such a ‘helter skelter’ work environment” as at the Ventavia-managed Pfizer’s trial sites.
“I don’t think it was good clean data,” the employee said of the numbers Ventavia generated for the Pfizer trial. “It’s a crazy mess.”
The second employee also described the environment at Ventavia as unlike anything she had experienced in her 20 years of research. She added that after Jackson was fired, Pfizer had been notified of problems at Ventavia and that an audit took place.
One person who had worked on over 50 clinical trials in her career said she had “never experienced such a ‘helter skelter’ work environment” as at the Ventavia-managed Pfizer’s trial sites.
“I don’t think it was good clean data,” the employee said of the numbers Ventavia generated for the Pfizer trial. “It’s a crazy mess.”
The second employee also described the environment at Ventavia as unlike anything she had experienced in her 20 years of research. She added that after Jackson was fired, Pfizer had been notified of problems at Ventavia and that an audit took place.
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Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
by Eroo 8/11/2021, 13:39
Ta "struka", koju imaš u mislima, uopće ne bi smjela pisati nigdje, a ponajmanje na opskurnim stranicama.violator wrote:
Struka nije jednoglasna, a morali su o tome pisati na opskurnim stranicama jer ih se usutkava, cenzurira i brise.
Ako stvarno imaju što za reći zna se gdje to moogu objaviti.No, tamo imaju i recezente...
S moje točke gledišta trebalo je u svim udarnim terminima na TV, kao i svim medijima, dnevno prikazivati
što se događa s društvom ako se NIŠTA ne čini, kao u slučaju "Lombardije", na primjer.
Međutim, s gledišta psihologije masa i psihijatrije to bi bio nedopustiv način. U talijanskim medijima
se tek danas po kapljicama doznaje šta se sve dešavalo...Mrtve su skupljali po stanovanjima - masovni pomor!
Hrvatski Stožer je sve ovo imao u mislima i odradio je 1. VAL epidemije bez greške.
Nakon toga dolazi "zamora materijala" i ne pronalazi se najbolji načini od uopće mogućih.
Razlika u mentalitetu po županijama je ogromna i ona je bila vidna kako onda tako i danas.
Talijani se, za razliku od Hrvatske, nisu libili zatvarati pojedine regije. Jasno je bilo da se ne mogu
donositi iste mjere u Istri, na primjer, i u SDŽ.
Prevelika ovisnost države od turističke sezone je imala krucijalni utjecaj na ovo šta se danas dešava...
Popuštanje i opuštanje na početku hladnijeg perioda je u suprotnosti s onim šta bi trebalo stvarno činiti.
I za kraj:Veliki dio "struke" su matematički nepismeni, a epidemija je 90% stvar matematike.
Matematički analfabeti se s ovim, naravno, neće složiti, niti to očekujem.
Procijepljenost? Zakasnilo se zbog turističke sezone, vjerovali ili ne.
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Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
by ljubo1212 8/11/2021, 13:41
treba mijenjat proizvođača, uzet nekog tko ne podmićuje i ne lažira, i ne plaća penale, ups nema takvih..
onda, što drugo nego pavlovića mast uzet
i keto dijeta, naravno
onda, što drugo nego pavlovića mast uzet
i keto dijeta, naravno
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Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
by Eroo 8/11/2021, 13:43
@Hektorović, izvuci nekoliko rečenica s bistvom, jer te lancune neće nitko od prisutnih pročitati.
Uradi to kako si razumio sadržaj i ukratko nam daj rezime.
Uradi to kako si razumio sadržaj i ukratko nam daj rezime.
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Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
by Guest 8/11/2021, 13:56
pa ja sam pročitao i razumio bez obzira na "lancun"..a ti slobodno reci da ne znaš engleski, nije sramota.Eroo wrote:@Hektorović, izvuci nekoliko rečenica s bistvom, jer te lancune neće nitko od prisutnih pročitati.
Uradi to kako si razumio sadržaj i ukratko nam daj rezime.
rezime svega je da ljudi sa folijama oko glava potkopavaju kredibilitet cjelokupne medicinske struke. nije za tebe.
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Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
by Guest 8/11/2021, 13:57
je, tebe...tamo ih ti čekaš sa matematikom. 4 lopate i kanta.Eroo wrote:Ta "struka", koju imaš u mislima, uopće ne bi smjela pisati nigdje, a ponajmanje na opskurnim stranicama.violator wrote:
Struka nije jednoglasna, a morali su o tome pisati na opskurnim stranicama jer ih se usutkava, cenzurira i brise.
Ako stvarno imaju što za reći zna se gdje to moogu objaviti.No, tamo imaju i recezente...
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Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
by Guest 8/11/2021, 14:00
Eroo wrote:Ta "struka", koju imaš u mislima, uopće ne bi smjela pisati nigdje, a ponajmanje na opskurnim stranicama.violator wrote:
Struka nije jednoglasna, a morali su o tome pisati na opskurnim stranicama jer ih se usutkava, cenzurira i brise.
Ako stvarno imaju što za reći zna se gdje to moogu objaviti.No, tamo imaju i recezente...
S moje točke gledišta trebalo je u svim udarnim terminima na TV, kao i svim medijima, dnevno prikazivati
što se događa s društvom ako se NIŠTA ne čini, kao u slučaju "Lombardije", na primjer.
Međutim, s gledišta psihologije masa i psihijatrije to bi bio nedopustiv način. U talijanskim medijima
se tek danas po kapljicama doznaje šta se sve dešavalo...Mrtve su skupljali po stanovanjima - masovni pomor!
Hrvatski Stožer je sve ovo imao u mislima i odradio je 1. VAL epidemije bez greške.
Nakon toga dolazi "zamora materijala" i ne pronalazi se najbolji načini od uopće mogućih.
Razlika u mentalitetu po županijama je ogromna i ona je bila vidna kako onda tako i danas.
Talijani se, za razliku od Hrvatske, nisu libili zatvarati pojedine regije. Jasno je bilo da se ne mogu
donositi iste mjere u Istri, na primjer, i u SDŽ.
Prevelika ovisnost države od turističke sezone je imala krucijalni utjecaj na ovo šta se danas dešava...
Popuštanje i opuštanje na početku hladnijeg perioda je u suprotnosti s onim šta bi trebalo stvarno činiti.
I za kraj:Veliki dio "struke" su matematički nepismeni, a epidemija je 90% stvar matematike.
Matematički analfabeti se s ovim, naravno, neće složiti, niti to očekujem.
Procijepljenost? Zakasnilo se zbog turističke sezone, vjerovali ili ne.
Ti ne znas engleski, zar ne?
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Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
by Guest 8/11/2021, 14:02
pa to bi objasnilo da sve ono kaj je gnječ ovdje stavljao nije nikad ni pročitao pa zato i misli je to sve od baba jage a ne dijelova znanstvene zajednice.violator wrote:
Ti ne znas engleski, zar ne?
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Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
by crvenkasti 8/11/2021, 14:04
https://www.politika.rs/sr/clanak/491636/Srbija-prva-u-svetu-dobija-novi-lek-protiv-korone
Srbija je prva zemlja u svetu koja će imati novi eksperimentalni lek za lečenje koronavirusa, koji je razvila američka kompanija „Fajzer”, a koji smanjuje rizik od hospitalizacije i smrti kod pacijenata čije je zdravlje već ugroženo za 89 odsto, najavio je danas ministar zdravlja Zlatibor Lončar.
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Opet je Srbija privilegirana. Smradovi četnički, kako im to uspijeva?
Srbija je prva zemlja u svetu koja će imati novi eksperimentalni lek za lečenje koronavirusa, koji je razvila američka kompanija „Fajzer”, a koji smanjuje rizik od hospitalizacije i smrti kod pacijenata čije je zdravlje već ugroženo za 89 odsto, najavio je danas ministar zdravlja Zlatibor Lončar.
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Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
by Guest 8/11/2021, 14:07
ebenica wrote:pa to bi objasnilo da sve ono kaj je gnječ ovdje stavljao nije nikad ni pročitao pa zato i misli je to sve od baba jage a ne dijelova znanstvene zajednice.violator wrote:
Ti ne znas engleski, zar ne?
Naravno. To je opravdana pretpostavka, ali svejedno cu ga upitati govori li jezikom na kojem se odvija glavnina komunikacije... Isto me tako zanima zna li talijanski, buduci da s velikom sigurnoscu spominje sto talijanski mediji prenose. :)
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by pokerjocker 8/11/2021, 14:10
crvenkasti wrote:https://www.politika.rs/sr/clanak/491636/Srbija-prva-u-svetu-dobija-novi-lek-protiv-korone
Srbija je prva zemlja u svetu koja će imati novi eksperimentalni lek za lečenje koronavirusa, koji je razvila američka kompanija „Fajzer”, a koji smanjuje rizik od hospitalizacije i smrti kod pacijenata čije je zdravlje već ugroženo za 89 odsto, najavio je danas ministar zdravlja Zlatibor Lončar.
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Opet je Srbija privilegirana. Smradovi četnički, kako im to uspijeva?
To je floron minidose i koristi se za liječenje goveda. Ne samo da ste prvi, nego i jedini. Sasvim adekvatno
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Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
by Guest 8/11/2021, 14:12
moj talijanski je kao delboyev francuski :Pviolator wrote: sto talijanski mediji prenose. :)
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Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
by Hektorović 8/11/2021, 14:16
Eroo wrote:@Hektorović, izvuci nekoliko rečenica s bistvom, jer te lancune neće nitko od prisutnih pročitati.
Uradi to kako si razumio sadržaj i ukratko nam daj rezime.
British Medical Jurnal je ozbiljan časopis, a Thacker je ozbiljan novinar.
Imaš i sažetke ako razumiješ Engleski.
Hektorović- Posts : 26373
2018-04-10
Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
by Eroo 8/11/2021, 14:33
Znam mađarski.violator wrote:Eroo wrote:Ta "struka", koju imaš u mislima, uopće ne bi smjela pisati nigdje, a ponajmanje na opskurnim stranicama.violator wrote:
Struka nije jednoglasna, a morali su o tome pisati na opskurnim stranicama jer ih se usutkava, cenzurira i brise.
Ako stvarno imaju što za reći zna se gdje to moogu objaviti.No, tamo imaju i recezente...
S moje točke gledišta trebalo je u svim udarnim terminima na TV, kao i svim medijima, dnevno prikazivati
što se događa s društvom ako se NIŠTA ne čini, kao u slučaju "Lombardije", na primjer.
Međutim, s gledišta psihologije masa i psihijatrije to bi bio nedopustiv način. U talijanskim medijima
se tek danas po kapljicama doznaje šta se sve dešavalo...Mrtve su skupljali po stanovanjima - masovni pomor!
Hrvatski Stožer je sve ovo imao u mislima i odradio je 1. VAL epidemije bez greške.
Nakon toga dolazi "zamora materijala" i ne pronalazi se najbolji načini od uopće mogućih.
Razlika u mentalitetu po županijama je ogromna i ona je bila vidna kako onda tako i danas.
Talijani se, za razliku od Hrvatske, nisu libili zatvarati pojedine regije. Jasno je bilo da se ne mogu
donositi iste mjere u Istri, na primjer, i u SDŽ.
Prevelika ovisnost države od turističke sezone je imala krucijalni utjecaj na ovo šta se danas dešava...
Popuštanje i opuštanje na početku hladnijeg perioda je u suprotnosti s onim šta bi trebalo stvarno činiti.
I za kraj:Veliki dio "struke" su matematički nepismeni, a epidemija je 90% stvar matematike.
Matematički analfabeti se s ovim, naravno, neće složiti, niti to očekujem.
Procijepljenost? Zakasnilo se zbog turističke sezone, vjerovali ili ne.
Ti ne znas engleski, zar ne?
Eroo- Posts : 78946
2016-07-22
Re: Korona novosti i spoznaje
by Eroo 8/11/2021, 14:35
Na hrvatskom smo forumu.Hektorović wrote:Eroo wrote:@Hektorović, izvuci nekoliko rečenica s bistvom, jer te lancune neće nitko od prisutnih pročitati.
Uradi to kako si razumio sadržaj i ukratko nam daj rezime.
British Medical Jurnal je ozbiljan časopis, a Thacker je ozbiljan novinar.
Imaš i sažetke ako razumiješ Engleski.
Šta je TVOJ reziime? Samo ukratko.
Eroo- Posts : 78946
2016-07-22
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