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Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
platila sam osiguranje da ako krepam nitko ne nasljeđuje dug po kreditu :)Gnječ wrote:Noor wrote:najbolje da se polako počnemo opraštati međusobno, pa tko živ, tko mrtav
ako krepam, hoću da znate..sve vas volim
jel ćemo naslijedit štogod? nemoj nam uvalit dugove i kredite...
Noor- Posts : 25907
2017-10-06
Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
Neće, rubikon je prijeđen i tu više nema povratka. Jednostavno će se svi ljudi zaraziti prije ili kasnije a kakve će posljedice biti to ni u najluđim snovima ne mogu predvidjeti kao ni 99% čovječanstva, previše parametara je jednostavno u igri, od ljudske psihe preko odluka vlada pa sve do raznoraznih nepredviđenih mutacija koje će virus stvoriti.kaya wrote:a možda nestanetre wrote:Mjere su da ne pukne zdravstveni sustav i da pokušamo što bezbolnije ovo preboliti, virus se više ne može zaustavitikaya wrote:oćeš reći svi ćemo ga dobiti, a što onda ove mjere? pas mater..idem pojesti malo špeka za plućamichaellcmacha wrote:kayo kad budemo imali 1,3 milijuna zaraženih istodobno tad će ukupni broj zaraženih biti oko 2 milijarde ako ne i više... eto kad moram reći ono što je trebalo ići tek iza ponoći...kaya wrote:
dobar? na istu foru?
al šta nije nevjerojatno da su napravili film na istu foru prije 10 godina. šišmiš, kina, tržnica, cijeli svijet, izolacija, krah zdravstva...dobro, njima su epidemiolozi pomagali napraviti film pa su se bojali toga, pa kužim da otprilike imali u glavi kako bi to moglo biti..
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2017-12-31
Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
Kod mene nema depresije ni panike, samo pokušavam realno sagledati stvari :)kaya wrote:Puno ste depresivni danas, moram se odlogirati da ne poludim. Da se ne javim sutra sa tik tak tik tak..ehehehehe
Doviđorno.
Pazi to što će se svi zaraziti ne znači da će svi umrjeti, umrjeti će 1 do 5 % čovječanstva od virusa, ono što je puno ozbiljnije je panika i doslovce pad cijelog sustava, ekonomskog, zdravstvenog,....a od toga treba držati gaće.
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Šandor Winnetou-
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2017-12-31
Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
Al mene najvišeNoor wrote:najbolje da se polako počnemo opraštati međusobno, pa tko živ, tko mrtav
ako krepam, hoću da znate..sve vas volim
Nego ovo me malo trecnulo. ono ovdje smo kao obitelj, dobro više kao posvađana obitelj ali nema veze, oću reći da treba naći način kako javiti ekipi ako netko ne preživi teška vremena
Levi će ugasiti svjetlo svakako iza svih nas :D
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2017-12-31
Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
Neće se svi zarazit. Ni blizu.tre wrote:Neće, rubikon je prijeđen i tu više nema povratka. Jednostavno će se svi ljudi zaraziti prije ili kasnije a kakve će posljedice biti to ni u najluđim snovima ne mogu predvidjeti kao ni 99% čovječanstva, previše parametara je jednostavno u igri, od ljudske psihe preko odluka vlada pa sve do raznoraznih nepredviđenih mutacija koje će virus stvoriti.kaya wrote:a možda nestanetre wrote:Mjere su da ne pukne zdravstveni sustav i da pokušamo što bezbolnije ovo preboliti, virus se više ne može zaustavitikaya wrote:oćeš reći svi ćemo ga dobiti, a što onda ove mjere? pas mater..idem pojesti malo špeka za plućamichaellcmacha wrote:
kayo kad budemo imali 1,3 milijuna zaraženih istodobno tad će ukupni broj zaraženih biti oko 2 milijarde ako ne i više... eto kad moram reći ono što je trebalo ići tek iza ponoći...
U najgorem slučaju 3-5% ljudi.
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Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
Vjeruj da neće biti tako, prati realne brojke iz sata u sat i vidjeti ćeš gdje virus napada i koja je eksponencijalna krivulja u pitanju, tu više nema povratka prika, cijeli svijet će se zaraziti samo je pitanje vremena i koiliko će zdravstveni sustav imati udar u jednom trenutku :)danni1 wrote:Neće se svi zarazit. Ni blizu.tre wrote:Neće, rubikon je prijeđen i tu više nema povratka. Jednostavno će se svi ljudi zaraziti prije ili kasnije a kakve će posljedice biti to ni u najluđim snovima ne mogu predvidjeti kao ni 99% čovječanstva, previše parametara je jednostavno u igri, od ljudske psihe preko odluka vlada pa sve do raznoraznih nepredviđenih mutacija koje će virus stvoriti.kaya wrote:a možda nestanetre wrote:Mjere su da ne pukne zdravstveni sustav i da pokušamo što bezbolnije ovo preboliti, virus se više ne može zaustavitikaya wrote:
oćeš reći svi ćemo ga dobiti, a što onda ove mjere? pas mater..idem pojesti malo špeka za pluća
U najgorem slučaju 3-5% ljudi.
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Posts : 19789
2017-12-31
Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
Kamo sreće, ali ništa od toga, pick je postavljen jako jako visoko. Evo samo da plastično prikažem... Danas kad je broj 96 Capak veli da je pick, a neki dan je rekao da je lipanj okvirno po procjenama njih nekolicine termin za pick... Ako do lipnja idemo blago linearno gore to ti je 70 dana xmin 96 po danu a maksimalno 500 cca. Nek bude sredina 250x70+1000=18500 je pick... A ako bude eksponencijalno onda nećemo računati jer će nas jako uznemirili...danni1 wrote:Neće se svi zarazit. Ni blizu.tre wrote:Neće, rubikon je prijeđen i tu više nema povratka. Jednostavno će se svi ljudi zaraziti prije ili kasnije a kakve će posljedice biti to ni u najluđim snovima ne mogu predvidjeti kao ni 99% čovječanstva, previše parametara je jednostavno u igri, od ljudske psihe preko odluka vlada pa sve do raznoraznih nepredviđenih mutacija koje će virus stvoriti.kaya wrote:a možda nestanetre wrote:Mjere su da ne pukne zdravstveni sustav i da pokušamo što bezbolnije ovo preboliti, virus se više ne može zaustavitikaya wrote:
oćeš reći svi ćemo ga dobiti, a što onda ove mjere? pas mater..idem pojesti malo špeka za pluća
U najgorem slučaju 3-5% ljudi.
michaellcmacha- Posts : 21325
2015-08-08
Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
eto u kratkim si crtama sažeo kako trenutno sustav funkcionira sve ukupnu populaciju sustav kompenzira da se na dnevnoj razini lakše suočavamo sa sve lošijom i lošijom situacijom koja će onda opet biti sve lošija i lošija... ovo što nam se sada događa, dao bog da nisam u pravu će potrajati jako dugo, toliko dugo da ćemo zaboraviti i kada je počelo, jer će nas postupci kompenzacije u konačnici dekompenzirati do totalnog otupljenja emocija, ali i razuma... evo jednog banalnog primjera iz ove naše stvarnosti doslovno jučer danas sutra... 25.03.2020. smo formalno (na papiru) imali cca 450 000 oboljelih i 18 000 umrlih, danas 6 dana kasnije u 22,20 sati također formalno imamo 932 000 oboljelih i 47 000 umrlih... e sad znaš li koliko smo imali 28.12.2019. to ti je prije 90 dana bilo... a svjetski pick je isto u lipnju ali iznosi broj koji institut robert koch nije imao snage javno iznijeti pa ga je zapakovao da ga ljudi jednostavno ne bi razumjeli...danni1 wrote:moš stavit odmah.michaellcmacha wrote:ove su mjere samo da se uspori virus i ništa više... poslije ponoći ću ovdje staviti nešto pa kud puklo da puklo... pa onda računajte...kaya wrote:oćeš reći svi ćemo ga dobiti, a što onda ove mjere? pas mater..idem pojesti malo špeka za plućamichaellcmacha wrote:kayo kad budemo imali 1,3 milijuna zaraženih istodobno tad će ukupni broj zaraženih biti oko 2 milijarde ako ne i više... eto kad moram reći ono što je trebalo ići tek iza ponoći...kaya wrote:
dobar? na istu foru?
al šta nije nevjerojatno da su napravili film na istu foru prije 10 godina. šišmiš, kina, tržnica, cijeli svijet, izolacija, krah zdravstva...dobro, njima su epidemiolozi pomagali napraviti film pa su se bojali toga, pa kužim da otprilike imali u glavi kako bi to moglo biti..
Ionako nikog ništa ne jebe previše.
Da će sutra doslovce 50%umrijet niko nebi ni trepno.
Bole nas neka stvar. Svi smo sigurni da mi nečemo.
michaellcmacha- Posts : 21325
2015-08-08
Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
evo još malo o ravnoj crti... prošo je prvi april...
https://novac.jutarnji.hr/rasprave-i-rjesenja/nece-biti-oporavka-bit-ce-socijalnih-nereda-bit-ce-nasilja-sto-hrvatska-mora-uciniti/10142596/
https://novac.jutarnji.hr/rasprave-i-rjesenja/nece-biti-oporavka-bit-ce-socijalnih-nereda-bit-ce-nasilja-sto-hrvatska-mora-uciniti/10142596/
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michaellcmacha- Posts : 21325
2015-08-08
Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
očito i jutarnji i novi list vrše pritisak na Vladu i premijera, napuštanjem dogovora o šutnji o složenosti situacije kako bi Vlada, premijer i stožer dobili na vremenu...michaellcmacha wrote:evo još malo o ravnoj crti... prošo je prvi april...
https://novac.jutarnji.hr/rasprave-i-rjesenja/nece-biti-oporavka-bit-ce-socijalnih-nereda-bit-ce-nasilja-sto-hrvatska-mora-uciniti/10142596/
michaellcmacha- Posts : 21325
2015-08-08
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http://www.novilist.hr/Vijesti/Svijet/Kad-ce-pandemija-zavrsiti-Procjena-Instituta-Robert-Koch-mnoge-bi-mogla-neugodno-iznenaditi?utm_source=Linker.hr&utm_medium=widget&utm_campaign=interni%2Bprometmichaellcmacha wrote:očito i jutarnji i novi list vrše pritisak na Vladu i premijera, napuštanjem dogovora o šutnji o složenosti situacije kako bi Vlada, premijer i stožer dobili na vremenu...michaellcmacha wrote:evo još malo o ravnoj crti... prošo je prvi april...
https://novac.jutarnji.hr/rasprave-i-rjesenja/nece-biti-oporavka-bit-ce-socijalnih-nereda-bit-ce-nasilja-sto-hrvatska-mora-uciniti/10142596/
michaellcmacha- Posts : 21325
2015-08-08
Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
ovo dvoje mogu biti bez ikakvih problema zasebne teme, ali ovdje su jasan pokazatelj da nam nikako pick nije stao na 96...
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michaellcmacha- Posts : 21325
2015-08-08
Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
Nije stao ali neka ide laganijim tempom zbog zdravstvenog sustava da nam ne bi kolabrirao zbog prevelikog broja zaraženih.michaellcmacha wrote:ovo dvoje mogu biti bez ikakvih problema zasebne teme, ali ovdje su jasan pokazatelj da nam nikako pick nije stao na 96...
Inače covid se može zaustaviti ali uz nevjerojatne mjere barem kod nas u manjim sredinama, veliki gradovi su unaprijed izgubljena bitka
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2017-12-31
Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
pročitaj ovo iz instituta robert koch... tamo epidemiološka struka kaže da je ovo sve uzaludno krečenje, od ukupne populacije mora minimalno 1/3 oboljeti i preboljeti i onda vidjeti da li je došlo do stjecanja imuniteta... kod njih je današnji "pick" 4600 više nego jučer, broj umrlih je danas 583 to je 128 više nego jučer... infektolozi kažu da zararzu treba pod svaku cijenu spriječiti... što ti to govori da su se struke pogubile, a sad zamisli političara koji treba donositi odluke a epidemiolog mu govori na uho pusti da se širi a infektolog koji se bori sa najezdom na bolnice mu urla na uho zatvaraj sve ne daj da se širi...tre wrote:Nije stao ali neka ide laganijim tempom zbog zdravstvenog sustava da nam ne bi kolabrirao zbog prevelikog broja zaraženih.michaellcmacha wrote:ovo dvoje mogu biti bez ikakvih problema zasebne teme, ali ovdje su jasan pokazatelj da nam nikako pick nije stao na 96...
Inače covid se može zaustaviti ali uz nevjerojatne mjere barem kod nas u manjim sredinama, veliki gradovi su unaprijed izgubljena bitka
michaellcmacha- Posts : 21325
2015-08-08
Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
jesi vidio dokument... ako ne ide njemački ali bar prelistaj polako da vidiš studioznost istog... meni ne ide, ja sam za sutra naručio da mi kolegica dođe pokušat to prevesti.... koristi njemački full aktivno ali jedino je problem ako ima puno stručnih izraza onda će potrajati... ali nema veze budem joj ga dao pa nek u miru prevede...tre wrote:Nije stao ali neka ide laganijim tempom zbog zdravstvenog sustava da nam ne bi kolabrirao zbog prevelikog broja zaraženih.michaellcmacha wrote:ovo dvoje mogu biti bez ikakvih problema zasebne teme, ali ovdje su jasan pokazatelj da nam nikako pick nije stao na 96...
Inače covid se može zaustaviti ali uz nevjerojatne mjere barem kod nas u manjim sredinama, veliki gradovi su unaprijed izgubljena bitka
michaellcmacha- Posts : 21325
2015-08-08
Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
Pogledati ću sutra, sad mi je jebeno kasno za to prevoditimichaellcmacha wrote:jesi vidio dokument... ako ne ide njemački ali bar prelistaj polako da vidiš studioznost istog... meni ne ide, ja sam za sutra naručio da mi kolegica dođe pokušat to prevesti.... koristi njemački full aktivno ali jedino je problem ako ima puno stručnih izraza onda će potrajati... ali nema veze budem joj ga dao pa nek u miru prevede...tre wrote:Nije stao ali neka ide laganijim tempom zbog zdravstvenog sustava da nam ne bi kolabrirao zbog prevelikog broja zaraženih.michaellcmacha wrote:ovo dvoje mogu biti bez ikakvih problema zasebne teme, ali ovdje su jasan pokazatelj da nam nikako pick nije stao na 96...
Inače covid se može zaustaviti ali uz nevjerojatne mjere barem kod nas u manjim sredinama, veliki gradovi su unaprijed izgubljena bitka
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Šandor Winnetou-
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2017-12-31
Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
razmišljam danas kirurške maske nisu neka zaštita a one pp3, pp2 su puno bolje ali su samo za jednokratnu upotrebu i skupe su i mora ih se odložiti u biohazzard otpad ali to nitko ne radi.
pa evo ako nekoga zanima ima ovdje na linkovima sve napisano cijeli znanstveni rad i kako napraviti postupak:
Universal and reusable virus deactivation system for respiratory protection
Abstract
Aerosolized pathogens are a leading cause of respiratory infection and transmission. Currently used protective measures pose potential risk of primary/secondary infection and transmission. Here, we report the development of a universal, reusable virus deactivation system by functionalization of the main fibrous filtration unit of surgical mask with sodium chloride salt. The salt coating on the fiber surface dissolves upon exposure to virus aerosols and recrystallizes during drying, destroying the pathogens. When tested with tightly sealed sides, salt-coated filters showed remarkably higher filtration efficiency than conventional mask filtration layer, and 100% survival rate was observed in mice infected with virus penetrated through salt-coated filters. Viruses captured on salt-coated filters exhibited rapid infectivity loss compared to gradual decrease on bare filters. Salt-coated filters proved highly effective in deactivating influenza viruses regardless of subtypes and following storage in harsh environmental conditions. Our results can be applied in obtaining a broad-spectrum, airborne pathogen prevention device in preparation for epidemic and pandemic of respiratory diseases.
Introduction
Aerosols take a prominent role in airborne transmission of respiratory diseases. Droplets with aerodynamic size (da) < 10 μm and 10 < da < 100 μm are known to infect the alveolar regions and upper respiratory tract, respectively1,2. Notably, aerosols can also be a route of infection in diseases that, contrary to for instance influenza, do not specifically target the respiratory tract, as it could be the case of Ebola virus3. While vaccination can greatly reduce morbidity and mortality, during a pandemic or epidemic new vaccines matching the specific strain would be available, at the earliest, six months after the initial outbreak. Additionally, following development of an effective viral vaccine, several potential problems would remain, such as limited supply due to insufficient production capacity and time-consuming manufacturing processes. As a result, individuals close to the point of an outbreak would be in imminent danger of exposure to infectious diseases during the non-vaccine period. In the absence of vaccination, respirators and masks can be worn to prevent transmission of airborne pathogenic aerosols and control diseases, such as influenza4.
The main alternative, the N95 respirator, requires training prior to use, must be expertly fitted to address the risk of faceseal leakage at the face-mask interface, and must be disposed of as biohazard5. Due to these factors, the use of N95 respirators on a large scale is impractical and expensive during an epidemic or pandemic. Past experiences of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), H1N1 swine flu in 2009, and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) indicate that surgical masks have been most widely adopted by the public as personal protective measure, despite controversy on their effectiveness6,7,8,9. Currently, among other factors, filtration in respirators and masks depends on filter characteristics, including fiber diameter, packing density, charge of fibers and filter thickness, as well as particle properties, such as diameter, density and velocity10,11,12,13,14. However, in the lack of a system to deactivate the collected pathogens, safety concerns naturally arise about secondary infection and contamination from virus-laden filter media during utilization and disposal. Furthermore, since re-sterilization is not possible without causing damage, respirators and masks are recommended for single use only9,15,16. Scientific efforts have been focused on treatment of filters with materials possessing well-known antimicrobial properties, such as iodine, chlorine and metals17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25, although with limited effectiveness against virus aerosols26,27,28. Therefore, a key challenge is the development of an easy-to-use, universal virus negation system, which is reusable without reprocessing and capable of deactivating pathogens, thereby reducing potential risk of secondary infection and transmission.
Here, we report a simple but efficient virus inactivation system exploiting the naturally occurring salt recrystallization. Our strategy is to modify the surface of the fibrous filtration layer within masks with a continuous salt film for virus deactivation via two successive processes: i) salt is locally dissolved by the viral aerosols and ii) supersaturation is followed by evaporation-induced salt recrystallization. Consequently, viruses are exposed to increasingly higher concentrations of saline solution during drying and physically damaged by recrystallization.
Results
link:
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep39956.pdf
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep39956
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Mask-with-salt-coated-filter-for-prevention-and-deactivation-of-airborne-pathogens-a_fig1_312081831
Antimicrobial Air Filters Using Natural Sea Salt Particles for Deactivating Airborne Bacterial Particles
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338199991_Antimicrobial_Air_Filters_Using_Natural_Sea_Salt_Particles_for_Deactivating_Airborne_Bacterial_Particles
pa evo ako nekoga zanima ima ovdje na linkovima sve napisano cijeli znanstveni rad i kako napraviti postupak:
Universal and reusable virus deactivation system for respiratory protection
Abstract
Aerosolized pathogens are a leading cause of respiratory infection and transmission. Currently used protective measures pose potential risk of primary/secondary infection and transmission. Here, we report the development of a universal, reusable virus deactivation system by functionalization of the main fibrous filtration unit of surgical mask with sodium chloride salt. The salt coating on the fiber surface dissolves upon exposure to virus aerosols and recrystallizes during drying, destroying the pathogens. When tested with tightly sealed sides, salt-coated filters showed remarkably higher filtration efficiency than conventional mask filtration layer, and 100% survival rate was observed in mice infected with virus penetrated through salt-coated filters. Viruses captured on salt-coated filters exhibited rapid infectivity loss compared to gradual decrease on bare filters. Salt-coated filters proved highly effective in deactivating influenza viruses regardless of subtypes and following storage in harsh environmental conditions. Our results can be applied in obtaining a broad-spectrum, airborne pathogen prevention device in preparation for epidemic and pandemic of respiratory diseases.
Introduction
Aerosols take a prominent role in airborne transmission of respiratory diseases. Droplets with aerodynamic size (da) < 10 μm and 10 < da < 100 μm are known to infect the alveolar regions and upper respiratory tract, respectively1,2. Notably, aerosols can also be a route of infection in diseases that, contrary to for instance influenza, do not specifically target the respiratory tract, as it could be the case of Ebola virus3. While vaccination can greatly reduce morbidity and mortality, during a pandemic or epidemic new vaccines matching the specific strain would be available, at the earliest, six months after the initial outbreak. Additionally, following development of an effective viral vaccine, several potential problems would remain, such as limited supply due to insufficient production capacity and time-consuming manufacturing processes. As a result, individuals close to the point of an outbreak would be in imminent danger of exposure to infectious diseases during the non-vaccine period. In the absence of vaccination, respirators and masks can be worn to prevent transmission of airborne pathogenic aerosols and control diseases, such as influenza4.
The main alternative, the N95 respirator, requires training prior to use, must be expertly fitted to address the risk of faceseal leakage at the face-mask interface, and must be disposed of as biohazard5. Due to these factors, the use of N95 respirators on a large scale is impractical and expensive during an epidemic or pandemic. Past experiences of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), H1N1 swine flu in 2009, and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) indicate that surgical masks have been most widely adopted by the public as personal protective measure, despite controversy on their effectiveness6,7,8,9. Currently, among other factors, filtration in respirators and masks depends on filter characteristics, including fiber diameter, packing density, charge of fibers and filter thickness, as well as particle properties, such as diameter, density and velocity10,11,12,13,14. However, in the lack of a system to deactivate the collected pathogens, safety concerns naturally arise about secondary infection and contamination from virus-laden filter media during utilization and disposal. Furthermore, since re-sterilization is not possible without causing damage, respirators and masks are recommended for single use only9,15,16. Scientific efforts have been focused on treatment of filters with materials possessing well-known antimicrobial properties, such as iodine, chlorine and metals17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25, although with limited effectiveness against virus aerosols26,27,28. Therefore, a key challenge is the development of an easy-to-use, universal virus negation system, which is reusable without reprocessing and capable of deactivating pathogens, thereby reducing potential risk of secondary infection and transmission.
Here, we report a simple but efficient virus inactivation system exploiting the naturally occurring salt recrystallization. Our strategy is to modify the surface of the fibrous filtration layer within masks with a continuous salt film for virus deactivation via two successive processes: i) salt is locally dissolved by the viral aerosols and ii) supersaturation is followed by evaporation-induced salt recrystallization. Consequently, viruses are exposed to increasingly higher concentrations of saline solution during drying and physically damaged by recrystallization.
Results
link:
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep39956.pdf
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep39956
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Mask-with-salt-coated-filter-for-prevention-and-deactivation-of-airborne-pathogens-a_fig1_312081831
Antimicrobial Air Filters Using Natural Sea Salt Particles for Deactivating Airborne Bacterial Particles
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338199991_Antimicrobial_Air_Filters_Using_Natural_Sea_Salt_Particles_for_Deactivating_Airborne_Bacterial_Particles
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Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
Gnječ wrote:razmišljam danas kirurške maske nisu neka zaštita a one pp3, pp2 su puno bolje ali su samo za jednokratnu upotrebu i skupe su i mora ih se odložiti u biohazzard otpad ali to nitko ne radi.
pa evo ako nekoga zanima ima ovdje na linkovima sve napisano cijeli znanstveni rad i kako napraviti postupak:
Results
link:
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep39956.pdf
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep39956
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Mask-with-salt-coated-filter-for-prevention-and-deactivation-of-airborne-pathogens-a_fig1_312081831
Antimicrobial Air Filters Using Natural Sea Salt Particles for Deactivating Airborne Bacterial Particles
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338199991_Antimicrobial_Air_Filters_Using_Natural_Sea_Salt_Particles_for_Deactivating_Airborne_Bacterial_Particles
Gnječ, imaš li ti neki brži način za prevesti onaj dokument..... ja sam na googlu počeo prevoditi onaj dio vezan za Mody i dosta sam onako ugrubo preveo i za čudo poprilično je čitljivo izuzev stručnih termina koje malo porazbaca... e da i HVALA ti lijepo... tek jedno s drugim ima smisla i pruža širu perspektivu...
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2015-08-08
Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
zašto kuhinjska morska sol funkcionira?
A University of Alberta engineering researcher has developed a new way to treat common surgical masks so they are capable of trapping and killing airborne viruses. His research findings appear in the journal Scientific Reports, published by Nature Publishing Group.
yo-Jick Choi, a professor in the University of Alberta Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering, noticed that many people wear a simple surgical-style mask for protection during outbreaks of influenza or other potentially deadly viruses such as severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) or Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS).
Trouble is, the masks weren't designed to prevent the spread of viruses.
"Surgical masks were originally designed to protect the wearer from infectious droplets in clinical settings, but it doesn't help much to prevent the spread of respiratory diseases such as SARS or MERS or influenza," says Choi.
Airborne pathogens like influenza are transmitted in aerosol droplets when we cough or sneeze. The masks may well trap the virus-laden droplets but the virus is still infectious on the mask. Merely handling the mask opens up new avenues for infection. Even respirators designed to protect individuals from viral aerosols have the same shortcoming -- viruses trapped in respirators still pose risks for infection and transmission.
Masks capable of killing viruses would save lives, especially in an epidemic or pandemic situation. During the 2014-2015 season nearly 8,000 Canadians were hospitalized with the flu. That same year, deaths related to influenza in Canada reached an all-time high of nearly 600.
Knowing that the masks are inexpensive and commonly used, Choi and his research team went about exploring ways to improve the mask's filter. And this is where a problem he is struggling with in one field of research -- the development of oral vaccines like a pill or a lozenge -- became a solution in another area.
A major hurdle in the development of oral vaccines is that when liquid solutions dry, crystals form and destroy the virus used in vaccines, rendering the treatment useless. In a nifty bit of engineering judo, Choi flipped the problem on its head and turned crystallization into a bug buster, using it as a tool to kill active viruses.
Choi and his team developed a salt formulation and applied it to the filters, in the hope that salt crystals would "deactivate" the influenza virus.
The mechanics of simple chemistry make the treatment work. When an aerosol droplet carrying the influenza virus contacts the treated filter, the droplet absorbs salt on the filter. The virus is exposed to continually increasing concentrations of salt. As the droplet evaporates, the virus suffers fatal physical damage when the salt returns to its crystalized state.
While developing solid vaccines, Choi observed that sugar used for stabilizing the vaccine during the drying process crystalizes as it dries out. When crystals form, sharp edges and spikes take shape and they physically destroy the virus vaccine.
"We realized that we could use that to our advantage to improve surgical masks," said Choi.
In a series of experiments and tests at the University of Alberta and in the Department of Medical Zoology at the Kyung Hee University School of Medicine in Seoul, South Korea, the team arrived at a perfect treatment that improves the efficacy of the fibre filter inside the masks.
By using a safe substance (table salt) to improve an existing, approved product, Choi sees very few roadblocks to implementing the innovation.
The research was funded by the University of Alberta. Choi has been awarded a provisional patent for the development of virus deactivation systems based on the salt-crystallization mechanism.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/01/170105160228.htm
A University of Alberta engineering researcher has developed a new way to treat common surgical masks so they are capable of trapping and killing airborne viruses. His research findings appear in the journal Scientific Reports, published by Nature Publishing Group.
yo-Jick Choi, a professor in the University of Alberta Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering, noticed that many people wear a simple surgical-style mask for protection during outbreaks of influenza or other potentially deadly viruses such as severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) or Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS).
Trouble is, the masks weren't designed to prevent the spread of viruses.
"Surgical masks were originally designed to protect the wearer from infectious droplets in clinical settings, but it doesn't help much to prevent the spread of respiratory diseases such as SARS or MERS or influenza," says Choi.
Airborne pathogens like influenza are transmitted in aerosol droplets when we cough or sneeze. The masks may well trap the virus-laden droplets but the virus is still infectious on the mask. Merely handling the mask opens up new avenues for infection. Even respirators designed to protect individuals from viral aerosols have the same shortcoming -- viruses trapped in respirators still pose risks for infection and transmission.
Masks capable of killing viruses would save lives, especially in an epidemic or pandemic situation. During the 2014-2015 season nearly 8,000 Canadians were hospitalized with the flu. That same year, deaths related to influenza in Canada reached an all-time high of nearly 600.
Knowing that the masks are inexpensive and commonly used, Choi and his research team went about exploring ways to improve the mask's filter. And this is where a problem he is struggling with in one field of research -- the development of oral vaccines like a pill or a lozenge -- became a solution in another area.
A major hurdle in the development of oral vaccines is that when liquid solutions dry, crystals form and destroy the virus used in vaccines, rendering the treatment useless. In a nifty bit of engineering judo, Choi flipped the problem on its head and turned crystallization into a bug buster, using it as a tool to kill active viruses.
Choi and his team developed a salt formulation and applied it to the filters, in the hope that salt crystals would "deactivate" the influenza virus.
The mechanics of simple chemistry make the treatment work. When an aerosol droplet carrying the influenza virus contacts the treated filter, the droplet absorbs salt on the filter. The virus is exposed to continually increasing concentrations of salt. As the droplet evaporates, the virus suffers fatal physical damage when the salt returns to its crystalized state.
While developing solid vaccines, Choi observed that sugar used for stabilizing the vaccine during the drying process crystalizes as it dries out. When crystals form, sharp edges and spikes take shape and they physically destroy the virus vaccine.
"We realized that we could use that to our advantage to improve surgical masks," said Choi.
In a series of experiments and tests at the University of Alberta and in the Department of Medical Zoology at the Kyung Hee University School of Medicine in Seoul, South Korea, the team arrived at a perfect treatment that improves the efficacy of the fibre filter inside the masks.
By using a safe substance (table salt) to improve an existing, approved product, Choi sees very few roadblocks to implementing the innovation.
The research was funded by the University of Alberta. Choi has been awarded a provisional patent for the development of virus deactivation systems based on the salt-crystallization mechanism.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/01/170105160228.htm
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michaellcmacha wrote:Gnječ wrote:razmišljam danas kirurške maske nisu neka zaštita a one pp3, pp2 su puno bolje ali su samo za jednokratnu upotrebu i skupe su i mora ih se odložiti u biohazzard otpad ali to nitko ne radi.
pa evo ako nekoga zanima ima ovdje na linkovima sve napisano cijeli znanstveni rad i kako napraviti postupak:
Results
link:
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep39956.pdf
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep39956
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Mask-with-salt-coated-filter-for-prevention-and-deactivation-of-airborne-pathogens-a_fig1_312081831
Antimicrobial Air Filters Using Natural Sea Salt Particles for Deactivating Airborne Bacterial Particles
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338199991_Antimicrobial_Air_Filters_Using_Natural_Sea_Salt_Particles_for_Deactivating_Airborne_Bacterial_Particles
Gnječ, imaš li ti neki brži način za prevesti onaj dokument..... ja sam na googlu počeo prevoditi onaj dio vezan za Mody i dosta sam onako ugrubo preveo i za čudo poprilično je čitljivo izuzev stručnih termina koje malo porazbaca... e da i HVALA ti lijepo... tek jedno s drugim ima smisla i pruža širu perspektivu...
probat ću nešto iskemijat.
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Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
ovo što sam ja preveo a direktno je u svezi ovog što nam se događa ispada da je cijeli svijet prešutno prihvatio opisani model obrane a ispada da nitko drugi uopće nije niti radio te projekcije niti na tako studiozan način posložio hipotetsku priču i ponudio rješenja... ako se projekcija onog grafa gdje je krajnja točka 1080 dana obistini, za pretpostaviti je da će značajan broj ljudi migrirati u ruralna područja ali s ciljem da živi na osami a ne da se ruralna mjesta popunjavaju.... jebote mi bi doslovno mogli biti svjedoci sunovrata civilzacije koje smo dio i kojoj svjedočimo i pioniri nove ere... ;)Gnječ wrote:michaellcmacha wrote:Gnječ wrote:razmišljam danas kirurške maske nisu neka zaštita a one pp3, pp2 su puno bolje ali su samo za jednokratnu upotrebu i skupe su i mora ih se odložiti u biohazzard otpad ali to nitko ne radi.
pa evo ako nekoga zanima ima ovdje na linkovima sve napisano cijeli znanstveni rad i kako napraviti postupak:
Results
link:
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep39956.pdf
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep39956
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Mask-with-salt-coated-filter-for-prevention-and-deactivation-of-airborne-pathogens-a_fig1_312081831
Antimicrobial Air Filters Using Natural Sea Salt Particles for Deactivating Airborne Bacterial Particles
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338199991_Antimicrobial_Air_Filters_Using_Natural_Sea_Salt_Particles_for_Deactivating_Airborne_Bacterial_Particles
Gnječ, imaš li ti neki brži način za prevesti onaj dokument..... ja sam na googlu počeo prevoditi onaj dio vezan za Mody i dosta sam onako ugrubo preveo i za čudo poprilično je čitljivo izuzev stručnih termina koje malo porazbaca... e da i HVALA ti lijepo... tek jedno s drugim ima smisla i pruža širu perspektivu...
probat ću nešto iskemijat.
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