Re: Denkverbot

by **kic** 16/3/2020, 08:54

hermeneutički krug

a gdje je abend?

by Guest 16/3/2020, 09:40

Kako to mislis "gdje je"? Pa zar ne pripada automatskim postavkama ovog foruma? Podigne se svaki put kad ukucas kljucne rijeci poput " so.ci.ja.li.zam", "ka.pi.ta.li.zam".

Da ne izazivamo vraga...

by **kic** 16/3/2020, 10:15

he failes to boot correctly

and only receives

the red screen of death

by aben 16/3/2020, 10:36

ljudi mislu da se filozofski problemi ne tribaju rjesavati za vrime zombi apokalipse.

filozofski problemi se pogotovo za vrime zombi apokalipse tribaju rjesavati.

by **kic** 16/3/2020, 10:41

aben wrote:ljudi mislu da se filozofski problemi ne tribaju rjesavati za vrime zombi apokalipse.

filozofski problemi se pogotovo za vrime zombi apokalipse tribaju rjesavati.

platon bi i bolestan raspravljao kažu..

a o čemu bi?

by aben 16/3/2020, 10:51

kic wrote:
aben wrote:ljudi mislu da se filozofski problemi ne tribaju rjesavati za vrime zombi apokalipse.

filozofski problemi se pogotovo za vrime zombi apokalipse tribaju rjesavati.

platon bi i bolestan raspravljao kažu..

a o čemu bi?

pa je li pravedno nasilno ogranicavati cijene za vrime apokalipse,

ako neko ni stedi za zombi apokalipsu, triba li ga pustiti da mirno umre?

koga biste volili da van pomoze za vrime zombi apokaliose, familija ili skup gradjana za ke se tvrdi da su potpisali drustveni ugovor?

by **kic** 16/3/2020, 10:57

općenito, zanimljivo koliko je čovječanstvo zapravo clueless i sve je na jako klimavim nogama-

hoćeš reći, mravi su trebali primiti cvrčka koji je svirao cijelo ljeto?

država pokazuje okrutne mjere, kao pri uskrati pomoći najslabijima u Italiji trenutno, meni je to grozan dokaz

by Guest 16/3/2020, 11:14

Meni je fantasticno kako lako sirimo dezinfo o svemu.

Odakle ti da u Italiji odricu pomoc najslabijima? Znas li da su krcati odjeli intenzivne njege, da nema ni priblizno dovoljno kreveta, respiratora, osoblja za prihvat bolesnika!? U tome i jest problem i glavni razlog uvodjenja karantena!

Daj, prestanite vise kakati konstantno!

by **kic** 16/3/2020, 11:19

Giorgio Gori, Bergamo mayor, tweeted: “It seems that the increase [in the number of cases] is slowing down, but it’s only because we have no longer beds in intensive care (few are added with great effort). Patients who cannot be treated are left to die”

jednostavno, trijaža..

by **kic** 16/3/2020, 11:25

by Guest 16/3/2020, 11:28

kic wrote:
Giorgio Gori, Bergamo mayor, tweeted: “It seems that the increase [in the number of cases] is slowing down, but it’s only because we have no longer beds in intensive care (few are added with great effort). Patients who cannot be treated are left to die”

jednostavno, trijaža..

Eto, nek' ti sad Aben uskoci s trolley problemom.

U mojem rjecniku jos uvijek postoji razlika izmedju "uskracivanja pomoci" i "nemogucnosti pruzanja pomoci", kao i svijest o tome da moramo uposliti i vlastite snage, SOLIDARIZIRATI se.

Naravno, vi cete nastaviti pisati o fil. problemina, pljuckati i zgrazati se nad onima koji najslabije ostavljaju umrijeti. Drugi ce se ljudi organizirati i obilaziti, odnosno, nositi namirnice i lijekove potrebitima.

by **kic** 16/3/2020, 11:44

nosit ćemo namirnice, al ipak i filozofirati o jeziku-

Patients who cannot be treated are left to die - zvuči prilično grozno svejedno, a ima i nastavaka

Now the Italian College of Anesthesia, Analgesia, Resuscitation and Intensive Care (SIAARTI) has published guidelines for the criteria that doctors and nurses should follow as these already extraordinary circumstances worsen.

The principle they settle upon is utilitarian. “Informed by the principle of maximizing benefits for the largest number,” they suggest that “the allocation criteria need to guarantee that those patients with the highest chance of therapeutic success will retain access to intensive care.”

The authors, who are medical doctors, then deduce a set of concrete recommendations for how to manage these impossible choices, including this: “It may become necessary to establish an age limit for access to intensive care.”

Those who are too old to have a high likelihood of recovery, or who have too low a number of “life-years” left even if they should survive, would be left to die. This sounds cruel, but the alternative, the document argues, is no better. “In case of a total saturation of resources, maintaining the criterion of ‘first come, first served’ would amount to a decision to exclude late-arriving patients from access to intensive care.”

In addition to age, doctors and nurses are also advised to take a patient’s overall state of health into account: “The presence of comorbidities needs to be carefully evaluated.” This is in part because early studies of the virus seem to suggest that patients with serious preexisting health conditions are significantly more likely to die. But it is also because patients in a worse state of overall health could require a greater share of scarce resources to survive: “What might be a relatively short treatment course in healthier people could be longer and more resource-consuming in the case of older or more fragile patients.”

by Guest 16/3/2020, 12:00

Je, nosit ces namirnice potrebitima. Kad se budes zakracunao. I pisao pjesme. Obavezno haiku. O okrutnoj ljudskoj naravi. U pauzi, srat ces zajedno s Abenom.

by **kic** 16/3/2020, 12:02

ti si napisala da ćeš nositi namirnice-

ja se brinem samo za svoje prije svega.

by Guest 16/3/2020, 12:48

kic wrote:
ti si napisala da ćeš nositi namirnice-

ja se brinem samo za svoje prije svega.

To je instinktivna briga. Zastititi obitelj i sebe.

Cemu onda to balavljenje i zgrazanje nad onim sto se desava u Italiji? Svatko brine o svome dupetu, a oni koji nemaju nikog postaju statisticki podaci. O njima ce govoriti poezija.

by **kic** 16/3/2020, 12:52

pa grozno je, ljudi gotovo nikad ne odlaze doktoru ili u bolnicu jer tako žele, prisiljeni su zbog svojih problema obratiti se stručnijim osobama, i uvijek te onaj stručnjak/doktor gleda: šta si došao, pa tebi nije ništa..

a tebi se okreće želudac i sram te istovremeno, ali znaš da ipak nešto nije kako treba kod tebe i da si se prisilio da dođeš..

i tako dođeš, i onda ti još ne pomogne, uskrati pomoć, ili ti izazove nepredviđene nuspojave

zaista počinjem razumjeti određenu skepsu prema lječništvu u starih pisaca..

tako da sam se i ja dogovorio sa svojima, da ostanu doma ako dobiju fibru i probaju je skidati sami..

by Guest 16/3/2020, 12:57

kic wrote:
Patients who cannot be treated are left to die”

super.
As this is viral pneumonia, antibiotics are of no use. The antiviral drugs we have against flu will not work. Recovery depends on the strength of the immune system. Many of those who have died were already in poor health.

kužiš? kužiš ti krasan kurac, k'o i to sranje glupana kojeg si citirao.

by **kic** 16/3/2020, 13:05

+ebenica zna-

by Guest 16/3/2020, 13:12

kic wrote:
+ebenica zna-

ostavili su ih da umru, šmrc šmrc...licemjerni pizdek.

by **kic** 16/3/2020, 13:17

pa jesu.

by Guest 16/3/2020, 13:22

kic wrote:
pa jesu.

kad nema lijeka onda su svi "ostavljeni da umru", jel kužiš pizdek?
al nad čime bi se ti onda "zgražao", k+o i ovaj jer mu je dezinfekcijski gel prejeftin pa onda sere da je skuplji "svatko" ga bi imao...jebe se njemu za svakoga, njemu je najbitnije kaj ga on nije uspio kupit, al možda da ode u više dućana, našao bi...npr. neki kvartovski. al mu nije bilo pred nosom pa ona zna da ljudi kupuju "deset" jer bi on tak napravio, smeće usrano.

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