Re: Denkverbot

by aben 3/3/2020, 23:28

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daj otkaz uhljeba i odi radit kod kapitalista pa onda trkeljaj.

no way.

zoč? da se meni toliko dopada kapitalizam jo bi hitro se prebaci delat kod nekog kapitaliste.ma sve bin dela ča mi reče liza bi mu prkno puši bi mu kurac marenda bi njigova govna sve bi učini za kapitalizam sve i život bi da za kapitalizam. ti ne biš vidin da ne.

jo bi prešo na kapitalizam samo ka bi svi prešli.
kako ne razumiš da jo ne želin hroniti uhljebe. radije ću biti uhljeb, nego puštiti da mi se političari, poljoprivrednici i siromasi prištekaju na takulin.

a ča biš ti dela u kapitalizmu? ča imaš kakova znanja osim ča trkeljaš po forumu?

apsolutno nikakove vještine zanimljive tržištu nemun.
mislin da bi bi poljoprivrednik, oću reći to bi voli biti.

by aben 3/3/2020, 23:32

ebenica wrote:
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možda ali nemaš kredibilitet. doktor koji liječi šizofreniju pokušava pacijenta prebaciti na svoju stranu, onu koja mu je poznata i koju živi a ne neku o kojoj je čitao u knjigama i možda bi je prepoznao.

ali ok.

reci mi, zoč je osobno iskustvo kapitalizma bitno za bilo ča reći o kapitalizmu? kako niko marksu ni predboci, ča pričoš pitdarije o komunizmu, to nisi nika živi i zoto moroš mučati?
zato što je komunizam teorija, nema je u praksi niti je bilo, imaginarna ideja.
a ča je kapitalizam, ako ne teorija?

pa celo vrime mi se govori da nikad ni zaživi u praksi.
ma kako nije?
kapitalizam je zaživio u doba rockefellera pa je iznjedrio njega, morgana i ostale debile, zaživio je u rusiji nakon sloma sovjetskog saveza pa je iznjedrio abramovića i ostale debile, zaživio je u hrvatskoj nakon rata pa je iznjedrio todorića i ostale debile, zaživio je u kini kad je ista odlučila postat tvornica svijeta....zaživi kapitalizam ali samo nakratko dok se ne podijeli kapital.

kad se podijeli kapital u par ruku to je onda to. vidiš da bi kapitalizam uspio treba mu određeni povijesni trenutak: rat, raspad, kriza, robovska radna snaga i onda je najbolji, blista.

to ne pitoj mene, to pitoj rabarbaru koja mi govori kako moja teorija nika ni zaživila u praksi, i sebe jer ka si me isko da ti pokožin državu po mojin guštu, stalno si govori da su to socijalističke države i piso kako imaju socijalne programa i javno zdravstvo i sl.

by Guest 3/3/2020, 23:33

aben wrote:
Gnječ wrote:
aben wrote:
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no way.

zoč? da se meni toliko dopada kapitalizam jo bi hitro se prebaci delat kod nekog kapitaliste.ma sve bin dela ča mi reče liza bi mu prkno puši bi mu kurac marenda bi njigova govna sve bi učini za kapitalizam sve i život bi da za kapitalizam. ti ne biš vidin da ne.

jo bi prešo na kapitalizam samo ka bi svi prešli.
kako ne razumiš da jo ne želin hroniti uhljebe. radije ću biti uhljeb, nego puštiti da mi se političari, poljoprivrednici i siromasi prištekaju na takulin.

a ča biš ti dela u kapitalizmu? ča imaš kakova znanja osim ča trkeljaš po forumu?

apsolutno nikakove vještine zanimljive tržištu nemun.
mislin da bi bi poljoprivrednik, oću reći to bi voli biti.

znači ti bi u kapitalizmu bio bracciante agricolo odnosno farmworker. ti bi bra pome. wages of bracciante agricolo are very slim.

by Guest 3/3/2020, 23:36

aben wrote:
ebenica wrote:
aben wrote:
ebenica wrote:
aben wrote:

ali ok.

reci mi, zoč je osobno iskustvo kapitalizma bitno za bilo ča reći o kapitalizmu? kako niko marksu ni predboci, ča pričoš pitdarije o komunizmu, to nisi nika živi i zoto moroš mučati?
zato što je komunizam teorija, nema je u praksi niti je bilo, imaginarna ideja.
a ča je kapitalizam, ako ne teorija?

pa celo vrime mi se govori da nikad ni zaživi u praksi.
ma kako nije?
kapitalizam je zaživio u doba rockefellera pa je iznjedrio njega, morgana i ostale debile, zaživio je u rusiji nakon sloma sovjetskog saveza pa je iznjedrio abramovića i ostale debile, zaživio je u hrvatskoj nakon rata pa je iznjedrio todorića i ostale debile, zaživio je u kini kad je ista odlučila postat tvornica svijeta....zaživi kapitalizam ali samo nakratko dok se ne podijeli kapital.

kad se podijeli kapital u par ruku to je onda to. vidiš da bi kapitalizam uspio treba mu određeni povijesni trenutak: rat, raspad, kriza, robovska radna snaga i onda je najbolji, blista.
to ne pitoj mene, to pitoj rabarbaru koja mi govori kako moja teorija nika ni zaživila u praksi, i sebe jer ka si me isko da ti pokožin državu po mojin guštu, stalno si govori da su to socijalističke države i piso kako imaju socijalne programa i javno zdravstvo i sl.

nije ona mislila na taj pravi brutalni, nego ove verzije koje su nam poznate, američki ili srednjeeuropski, jer razlikujemo nijanse. ti u tom američkom nisi živio. ovaj naš je blizak srednjeeuropskom ali to pljuješ jer ima socijalizma.

by Guest 3/3/2020, 23:39

aben wrote:
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ni istina da je uništi svu konkurenciju,
bili su tu jo shell, pure oil, tesaco, citgo i sunco.

i još nesšto, monopol nije stvor koju se tribo kažnjavati. monopoli nisu stabilni, nika nisu ni bili, osin ako nisu državni.

By 1890, Standard Oil controlled 88 percent of the refined oil flows in the United States. The state of Ohio successfully sued Standard, compelling the dissolution of the trust in 1892. But Standard simply separated Standard Oil of Ohio and kept control of it. Eventually, the state of New Jersey changed its incorporation laws to allow a company to hold shares in other companies in any state. So, in 1899, the Standard Oil Trust, based at 26 Broadway in New York, was legally reborn as a holding company, the Standard Oil Co. of New Jersey (SOCNJ), which held stock in 41 other companies, which controlled other companies, which in turn controlled yet other companies. According to Daniel Yergin in his Pulitzer Prize-winning The Prize: The Epic Quest for Oil, Money, and Power (1990), this conglomerate was seen by the public as all-pervasive, controlled by a select group of directors, and completely unaccountable.
ča oćeš reći?

da su shell, pure oil, tesaco, citgo i sunco bili pod kontrolom Rockefellera.

ok, daj mi izvor za to

boldano.

by aben 3/3/2020, 23:46

Gnječ wrote:
aben wrote:
Gnječ wrote:
aben wrote:
Gnječ wrote:

zoč? da se meni toliko dopada kapitalizam jo bi hitro se prebaci delat kod nekog kapitaliste.ma sve bin dela ča mi reče liza bi mu prkno puši bi mu kurac marenda bi njigova govna sve bi učini za kapitalizam sve i život bi da za kapitalizam. ti ne biš vidin da ne.

jo bi prešo na kapitalizam samo ka bi svi prešli.
kako ne razumiš da jo ne želin hroniti uhljebe. radije ću biti uhljeb, nego puštiti da mi se političari, poljoprivrednici i siromasi prištekaju na takulin.

a ča biš ti dela u kapitalizmu? ča imaš kakova znanja osim ča trkeljaš po forumu?

apsolutno nikakove vještine zanimljive tržištu nemun.
mislin da bi bi poljoprivrednik, oću reći to bi voli biti.

znači ti bi u kapitalizmu bio bracciante agricolo odnosno farmworker. ti bi bra pome. wages of bracciante agricolo are very slim.

to bi voli. a ča bi bilo, ki to zno..

by Guest 3/3/2020, 23:50

Gnječ wrote:
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to nije bila firma nego KARTEL. izgurao je i uništio svu konkurenciju i uspostavio monopol a to je zločin.
ni istina da je uništi svu konkurenciju,
bili su tu jo shell, pure oil, tesaco, citgo i sunco.

i još nesšto, monopol nije stvor koju se tribo kažnjavati. monopoli nisu stabilni, nika nisu ni bili, osin ako nisu državni.

By 1890, Standard Oil controlled 88 percent of the refined oil flows in the United States. The state of Ohio successfully sued Standard, compelling the dissolution of the trust in 1892. But Standard simply separated Standard Oil of Ohio and kept control of it. Eventually, the state of New Jersey changed its incorporation laws to allow a company to hold shares in other companies in any state. So, in 1899, the Standard Oil Trust, based at 26 Broadway in New York, was legally reborn as a holding company, the Standard Oil Co. of New Jersey (SOCNJ), which held stock in 41 other companies, which controlled other companies, which in turn controlled yet other companies. According to Daniel Yergin in his Pulitzer Prize-winning The Prize: The Epic Quest for Oil, Money, and Power (1990), this conglomerate was seen by the public as all-pervasive, controlled by a select group of directors, and completely unaccountable.
ča oćeš reći?

da su shell, pure oil, tesaco, citgo i sunco bili pod kontrolom Rockefellera.

nisu baš bile pod direktnom kontrolom ali to u priči nije ni bitno:

The first known attempt by the Seven Sisters to stifle competition came in 1928 when Sir John Cadman of British Petroleum, Sir Henry Deterding of Royal Dutch/Shell, Walter Teagle of Exxon and William Mellon of Gulf met at Cadman’s castle near Achnacarry, Scotland. Here an agreement was reached that would divide up the world’s oil reserves and markets.
The Achnacarry Agreement became known to oil industry insiders as the As Is Agreement because its aim was to maintain a status quo under which the Seven Sisters controlled the world’s oil through market share agreements, sharing of refining and storage facilities, and by agreeing to limit production to keep prices high.

Big Oil signed three more agreements in the next six years. The 1930 Memorandum of Understanding for European Markets was followed by the 1932 Heads of Agreement for Distribution and the 1934 Draft Memorandum of Principles.

monopol je monopol.

by Guest 3/3/2020, 23:54

By 1969 Exxon owned 67 oil refineries in 37 countries. Over 60% of Exxon’s 1991 profits came from downstream operations. In the first quarter of that year alone, Exxon made a $2.4 billion profit, the highest quarterly profit since Rockefeller founded Standard Oil of New Jersey in 1882. It was no coincidence that the Gulf War was being prosecuted during this time, with Exxon meeting much of the demand generated by the US military and its allies.

a ne mogu bez države da ga jebeš, baš mora bit neko sranje da oni uspiju, uvijek neki rat.

by Guest 3/3/2020, 23:55

aben wrote:
Gnječ wrote:
aben wrote:
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jo bi prešo na kapitalizam samo ka bi svi prešli.
kako ne razumiš da jo ne želin hroniti uhljebe. radije ću biti uhljeb, nego puštiti da mi se političari, poljoprivrednici i siromasi prištekaju na takulin.

a ča biš ti dela u kapitalizmu? ča imaš kakova znanja osim ča trkeljaš po forumu?

apsolutno nikakove vještine zanimljive tržištu nemun.
mislin da bi bi poljoprivrednik, oću reći to bi voli biti.

znači ti bi u kapitalizmu bio bracciante agricolo odnosno farmworker. ti bi bra pome. wages of bracciante agricolo are very slim.

to bi voli. a ča bi bilo, ki to zno..

Sure you can get a job, but what good is the job if you can't live on what you make.

by aben 3/3/2020, 23:55

ebenica wrote:
aben wrote:
ebenica wrote:
aben wrote:
ebenica wrote:
zato što je komunizam teorija, nema je u praksi niti je bilo, imaginarna ideja.
a ča je kapitalizam, ako ne teorija?

pa celo vrime mi se govori da nikad ni zaživi u praksi.
ma kako nije?
kapitalizam je zaživio u doba rockefellera pa je iznjedrio njega, morgana i ostale debile, zaživio je u rusiji nakon sloma sovjetskog saveza pa je iznjedrio abramovića i ostale debile, zaživio je u hrvatskoj nakon rata pa je iznjedrio todorića i ostale debile, zaživio je u kini kad je ista odlučila postat tvornica svijeta....zaživi kapitalizam ali samo nakratko dok se ne podijeli kapital.

kad se podijeli kapital u par ruku to je onda to. vidiš da bi kapitalizam uspio treba mu određeni povijesni trenutak: rat, raspad, kriza, robovska radna snaga i onda je najbolji, blista.
to ne pitoj mene, to pitoj rabarbaru koja mi govori kako moja teorija nika ni zaživila u praksi, i sebe jer ka si me isko da ti pokožin državu po mojin guštu, stalno si govori da su to socijalističke države i piso kako imaju socijalne programa i javno zdravstvo i sl.
nije ona mislila na taj pravi brutalni, nego ove verzije koje su nam poznate, američki ili srednjeeuropski, jer razlikujemo nijanse. ti u tom američkom nisi živio. ovaj naš je blizak srednjeeuropskom ali to pljuješ jer ima socijalizma.

ona je lipo rekla da kapitalizam ki jo opisujen ni provi kapitalizam.

Da bi znao što je uistinu kapitalizam trebaš živjeti barem neko vrijeme u takvom uređenju....
Možda bi onda ipak shvatio da to što si napisao nema veze sa stvarnim kapitalizmom.

to znoči da je ovo ča jo pišin samo teorija, nemo je u praksi, imaginarna ideja, right?

by aben 3/3/2020, 23:56

Gnječ wrote:
aben wrote:
Gnječ wrote:
aben wrote:
Gnječ wrote:

By 1890, Standard Oil controlled 88 percent of the refined oil flows in the United States. The state of Ohio successfully sued Standard, compelling the dissolution of the trust in 1892. But Standard simply separated Standard Oil of Ohio and kept control of it. Eventually, the state of New Jersey changed its incorporation laws to allow a company to hold shares in other companies in any state. So, in 1899, the Standard Oil Trust, based at 26 Broadway in New York, was legally reborn as a holding company, the Standard Oil Co. of New Jersey (SOCNJ), which held stock in 41 other companies, which controlled other companies, which in turn controlled yet other companies. According to Daniel Yergin in his Pulitzer Prize-winning The Prize: The Epic Quest for Oil, Money, and Power (1990), this conglomerate was seen by the public as all-pervasive, controlled by a select group of directors, and completely unaccountable.
ča oćeš reći?

da su shell, pure oil, tesaco, citgo i sunco bili pod kontrolom Rockefellera.

ok, daj mi izvor za to

boldano.

ma jes jo ćorav, ili ne vidin da se u boldu spominje texaco?

by Guest 3/3/2020, 23:58

aben wrote:
to znoči da je ovo ča jo pišin samo teorija, nemo je u praksi, imaginarna ideja, right?

ne, to kaj ti pišeš postoji ali samo na trenutke kad se poklope zvijezde i mjesec, objasnio sam ti kad. kad su ratovi, krize, panika....onda se dijeli kapital. ne u mirno doba, kad otpuštaš radnike nije to to, to je mali kapitalizam.

by aben 3/3/2020, 23:59

ebenica wrote:
Gnječ wrote:
aben wrote:
Gnječ wrote:
aben wrote:
ni istina da je uništi svu konkurenciju,
bili su tu jo shell, pure oil, tesaco, citgo i sunco.

i još nesšto, monopol nije stvor koju se tribo kažnjavati. monopoli nisu stabilni, nika nisu ni bili, osin ako nisu državni.

By 1890, Standard Oil controlled 88 percent of the refined oil flows in the United States. The state of Ohio successfully sued Standard, compelling the dissolution of the trust in 1892. But Standard simply separated Standard Oil of Ohio and kept control of it. Eventually, the state of New Jersey changed its incorporation laws to allow a company to hold shares in other companies in any state. So, in 1899, the Standard Oil Trust, based at 26 Broadway in New York, was legally reborn as a holding company, the Standard Oil Co. of New Jersey (SOCNJ), which held stock in 41 other companies, which controlled other companies, which in turn controlled yet other companies. According to Daniel Yergin in his Pulitzer Prize-winning The Prize: The Epic Quest for Oil, Money, and Power (1990), this conglomerate was seen by the public as all-pervasive, controlled by a select group of directors, and completely unaccountable.
ča oćeš reći?

da su shell, pure oil, tesaco, citgo i sunco bili pod kontrolom Rockefellera.

nisu baš bile pod direktnom kontrolom ali to u priči nije ni bitno:

The first known attempt by the Seven Sisters to stifle competition came in 1928 when Sir John Cadman of British Petroleum, Sir Henry Deterding of Royal Dutch/Shell, Walter Teagle of Exxon and William Mellon of Gulf met at Cadman’s castle near Achnacarry, Scotland. Here an agreement was reached that would divide up the world’s oil reserves and markets.
The Achnacarry Agreement became known to oil industry insiders as the As Is Agreement because its aim was to maintain a status quo under which the Seven Sisters controlled the world’s oil through market share agreements, sharing of refining and storage facilities, and by agreeing to limit production to keep prices high.

Big Oil signed three more agreements in the next six years. The 1930 Memorandum of Understanding for European Markets was followed by the 1932 Heads of Agreement for Distribution and the 1934 Draft Memorandum of Principles.

monopol je monopol.

to je 1928.

dakle, stoji da ni istina da je uništi svu konkurenciju,
bili su tu jo shell, pure oil, tesaco, citgo i sunco.

mislin, pa to ti piše i na vikipediji.

by aben 3/4/2020, 00:01

Gnječ wrote:
aben wrote:
Gnječ wrote:
aben wrote:
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a ča biš ti dela u kapitalizmu? ča imaš kakova znanja osim ča trkeljaš po forumu?

apsolutno nikakove vještine zanimljive tržištu nemun.
mislin da bi bi poljoprivrednik, oću reći to bi voli biti.

znači ti bi u kapitalizmu bio bracciante agricolo odnosno farmworker. ti bi bra pome. wages of bracciante agricolo are very slim.

to bi voli. a ča bi bilo, ki to zno..

Sure you can get a job, but what good is the job if you can't live on what you make.

irelevantno. priča o kapitalizmu ni priča o životu, to je priča o pravednosti.

by aben 3/4/2020, 00:03

aben wrote:
ebenica wrote:
aben wrote:
ebenica wrote:
aben wrote:
a ča je kapitalizam, ako ne teorija?

pa celo vrime mi se govori da nikad ni zaživi u praksi.
ma kako nije?
kapitalizam je zaživio u doba rockefellera pa je iznjedrio njega, morgana i ostale debile, zaživio je u rusiji nakon sloma sovjetskog saveza pa je iznjedrio abramovića i ostale debile, zaživio je u hrvatskoj nakon rata pa je iznjedrio todorića i ostale debile, zaživio je u kini kad je ista odlučila postat tvornica svijeta....zaživi kapitalizam ali samo nakratko dok se ne podijeli kapital.

kad se podijeli kapital u par ruku to je onda to. vidiš da bi kapitalizam uspio treba mu određeni povijesni trenutak: rat, raspad, kriza, robovska radna snaga i onda je najbolji, blista.
to ne pitoj mene, to pitoj rabarbaru koja mi govori kako moja teorija nika ni zaživila u praksi, i sebe jer ka si me isko da ti pokožin državu po mojin guštu, stalno si govori da su to socijalističke države i piso kako imaju socijalne programa i javno zdravstvo i sl.
nije ona mislila na taj pravi brutalni, nego ove verzije koje su nam poznate, američki ili srednjeeuropski, jer razlikujemo nijanse. ti u tom američkom nisi živio. ovaj naš je blizak srednjeeuropskom ali to pljuješ jer ima socijalizma.
ona je lipo rekla da kapitalizam ki jo opisujen ni provi kapitalizam.

Da bi znao što je uistinu kapitalizam trebaš živjeti barem neko vrijeme u takvom uređenju....
Možda bi onda ipak shvatio da to što si napisao nema veze sa stvarnim kapitalizmom.

to znoči da je ovo ča jo pišin samo teorija, nemo je u praksi, imaginarna ideja, right?

ebenica wrote:
ne, to kaj ti pišeš postoji ali samo na trenutke kad se poklope zvijezde i mjesec, objasnio sam ti kad. kad su ratovi, krize, panika....onda se dijeli kapital. ne u mirno doba, kad otpuštaš radnike nije to to, to je mali kapitalizam.

ne zun, ona je rekla da to nemo veze sa pravin kapitalizmon, da to ni uistinu kapitalizam.

by Guest 3/4/2020, 00:34

aben wrote:
Gnječ wrote:
aben wrote:
Gnječ wrote:
aben wrote:
ča oćeš reći?

da su shell, pure oil, tesaco, citgo i sunco bili pod kontrolom Rockefellera.

ok, daj mi izvor za to

boldano.
ma jes jo ćorav, ili ne vidin da se u boldu spominje texaco?

ovo ispod potvrđuje ono što sam boldao:

Texaco history:

The company that grew into the world’s third-largest oil company began life as the Texas Co., founded in 1902 after the famed Spindletop gusher near Beaumont, Tex., opened that state’s oil fields. In fact, Texaco--the name it adopted in 1959-- was one of only two big U.S. oil companies (the other was Gulf) that were not part of John D. Rockefeller’s Standard Oil empire.

znači samo dvije firme nisu bile dio Rockefeller monopola: Texaco i Gulf.

by aben 3/4/2020, 00:43

Gnječ wrote:
aben wrote:
Gnječ wrote:
aben wrote:
Gnječ wrote:

da su shell, pure oil, tesaco, citgo i sunco bili pod kontrolom Rockefellera.

ok, daj mi izvor za to

boldano.
ma jes jo ćorav, ili ne vidin da se u boldu spominje texaco?

ovo ispod potvrđuje ono što sam boldao:

Texaco history:

The company that grew into the world’s third-largest oil company began life as the Texas Co., founded in 1902 after the famed Spindletop gusher near Beaumont, Tex., opened that state’s oil fields. In fact, Texaco--the name it adopted in 1959-- was one of only two big U.S. oil companies (the other was Gulf) that were not part of John D. Rockefeller’s Standard Oil empire.

znači samo dvije firme nisu bile dio Rockefeller monopola: Texaco i Gulf.

ali na vikipediji ti piše..

Three companies operating in the United States have used the Pure Oil name. The first began as a group of independent oil refiners, producers, and pipeline operators, in fall 1895 in Butler, Pennsylvania, with headquarters in Pittsburgh, although it was incorporated in New Jersey. Pure was organized by independent interests to counter to the dominance of Standard Oil Company

by Guest 3/4/2020, 00:49

aben wrote:
Gnječ wrote:
aben wrote:
Gnječ wrote:
aben wrote:

apsolutno nikakove vještine zanimljive tržištu nemun.
mislin da bi bi poljoprivrednik, oću reći to bi voli biti.

znači ti bi u kapitalizmu bio bracciante agricolo odnosno farmworker. ti bi bra pome. wages of bracciante agricolo are very slim.

to bi voli. a ča bi bilo, ki to zno..

Sure you can get a job, but what good is the job if you can't live on what you make.

irelevantno. priča o kapitalizmu ni priča o životu, to je priča o pravednosti.

da, bilo bi pravedno da ti bereš pome i cucumare kod nekog kapitaliste u tvom kapitalizmu bi znao gdje ti je mjesto. napolju. bio bi nadničar kao i svi tvoji kolege uhljebi. ne bi onda imao ni para za kupit kompjuter ni vremena za srat po forumu peglao bi karticu i koristio bonove za hranu a vjerojatno bi noću bunario po kontejnerima za smeće i pecao boce i limenke. a ovrhe bi ti visile za vratom.

by aben 3/4/2020, 00:50

Gnječ wrote:
aben wrote:
Gnječ wrote:
aben wrote:
Gnječ wrote:

da su shell, pure oil, tesaco, citgo i sunco bili pod kontrolom Rockefellera.

ok, daj mi izvor za to

boldano.
ma jes jo ćorav, ili ne vidin da se u boldu spominje texaco?

ovo ispod potvrđuje ono što sam boldao:

Texaco history:

The company that grew into the world’s third-largest oil company began life as the Texas Co., founded in 1902 after the famed Spindletop gusher near Beaumont, Tex., opened that state’s oil fields. In fact, Texaco--the name it adopted in 1959-- was one of only two big U.S. oil companies (the other was Gulf) that were not part of John D. Rockefeller’s Standard Oil empire.

znači samo dvije firme nisu bile dio Rockefeller monopola: Texaco i Gulf.

In 1886, its partners – Joseph Newton Pew, Philip Pisano, and Edward O. Emerson – decided to expand their gas business with a stake in the new oil discoveries in Ohio and Pennsylvania. Four years later, the growing enterprise became the Sun Oil Company of Ohio. Sun Oil diversified quickly, active in production and distribution of oil as well as processing and marketing refined products. By 1901, the company was incorporated in New Jersey as Sun Company and turned its interest to the new Spindletop field in Texas.

by aben 3/4/2020, 00:51

Gnječ wrote:
aben wrote:
Gnječ wrote:
aben wrote:
Gnječ wrote:

da su shell, pure oil, tesaco, citgo i sunco bili pod kontrolom Rockefellera.

ok, daj mi izvor za to

boldano.
ma jes jo ćorav, ili ne vidin da se u boldu spominje texaco?

ovo ispod potvrđuje ono što sam boldao:

Texaco history:

The company that grew into the world’s third-largest oil company began life as the Texas Co., founded in 1902 after the famed Spindletop gusher near Beaumont, Tex., opened that state’s oil fields. In fact, Texaco--the name it adopted in 1959-- was one of only two big U.S. oil companies (the other was Gulf) that were not part of John D. Rockefeller’s Standard Oil empire.

znači samo dvije firme nisu bile dio Rockefeller monopola: Texaco i Gulf.

The company traces its heritage back to the early 1900s and oil entrepreneur Henry Latham Doherty.^[5] After quickly climbing the ladder of success in the manufactured gas and electric utility world, Doherty in 1910 created Cities Service Company to supply gas and electricity to small public utilities. He began by acquiring gas-producing properties in the mid-continent and southwest.

by aben 3/4/2020, 00:53

Gnječ wrote:
aben wrote:
Gnječ wrote:
aben wrote:
Gnječ wrote:

znači ti bi u kapitalizmu bio bracciante agricolo odnosno farmworker. ti bi bra pome. wages of bracciante agricolo are very slim.

to bi voli. a ča bi bilo, ki to zno..

Sure you can get a job, but what good is the job if you can't live on what you make.

irelevantno. priča o kapitalizmu ni priča o životu, to je priča o pravednosti.

da, bilo bi pravedno da ti bereš pome i cucumare kod nekog kapitaliste u tvom kapitalizmu bi znao gdje ti je mjesto. napolju. bio bi nadničar kao i svi tvoji kolege uhljebi. ne bi onda imao ni para za kupit kompjuter ni vremena za srat po forumu peglao bi karticu i koristio bonove za hranu a vjerojatno bi noću bunario po kontejnerima za smeće i pecao boce i limenke. a ovrhe bi ti visile za vratom.

vrlo vjerojatno.
mislin, ne tako kako si opiso, ali definitivno bi bi zaposlenik a ne poslodavac

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