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aben wrote:

kic wrote:

koji je ovo kurac?

kic wrote:
gušti su samo trenuci, ovog ostalog ima više, kako se čini-

aben wrote:
odnos prema zrtvama prometa, zrtve opasnih poslova


lumpenproleteri

It is to be noted parenthetically here that the word “lumpenproletariat,” as the attentive reader will have not failed to notice,belongs to the outdated vocabulary of class struggle. Yet in truth we are dealing here with an elementary force, which is always present and naturally conceals itself behind the mask of established economic thought. Today, this elementary force appears in new forms associated with other such forces active in political movements and military actions. We refer here above all to the appearance of the partisan, who to a great extent has already lost all its social hue. One assigns the partisan missions to be completed below the legal order. He thus surfaces at the rear of invading armies, where the operations for which he is suited involve espionage, sabotage, and subversion. In the case of civil war, the operations left to the partisan also include missions beyond the bounds of law. Accordingly, partisan struggles are especially ruthless. The partisan is not protected by law; if caught, heis treated in a summary manner. While in war he is sent into action without uniform, in civil war his party identification card istaken before entering the fray. The partisan’s loyalties always remain uncertain. It is never clear whether he belongs to one side orthe other, to espionage or counter-espionage, to the police force or those fighting the police force, or to all at once; or altogether whether he is active on behalf of others or simply taking part in his own criminal racket. This ambiguity is an essential aspect of his mission. One can find this in partisan operations around the world today, even if often without being recognized as such—whether we are dealing with some clash in the outlying neighborhood of a city or with cases in city capitals concerning domestic and foreign affairs. We are never to determine who bears responsibility for such incidents, because the threads are lost in an obscure underworld where the lines separating the opposing sides become blurred. In the repeated attempts to transform the partisan into a hero, we thus see an inability to differentiate properly. The partisan is surely a figure of the elementary but not of the heroic world.His downfall lacks a tragic quality; it transpires in a zone where one indeed maintains a dull, passive relation to pain and its secrets, but where nevertheless one is unable to rise above pain. B

kic wrote:

aben wrote:
odnos prema zrtvama prometa, zrtve opasnih poslova


lumpenproleteri

It is to be noted parenthetically here that the word “lumpenproletariat,” as the attentive reader will have not failed to notice,belongs to the outdated vocabulary of class struggle. Yet in truth we are dealing here with an elementary force, which is always present and naturally conceals itself behind the mask of established economic thought. Today, this elementary force appears in new forms  associated  with  other  such  forces  active  in  political  movements  and  military  actions.  We  refer  here  above  all  to  the appearance of the partisan, who to a great extent has already lost all its social hue. One assigns the partisan missions to be completed below the legal order. He thus surfaces at the rear of invading armies, where the operations for which he is suited involve espionage, sabotage, and subversion. In the case of civil war, the operations left to the partisan also include missions beyond the bounds of law. Accordingly, partisan struggles are especially ruthless. The partisan is not protected by law; if caught, heis treated in a summary manner. While in war he is sent into action without uniform, in civil war his party identification card istaken before entering the fray. The partisan’s loyalties always remain uncertain. It is never clear whether he belongs to one side orthe other, to espionage or counter-espionage, to the police force or those fighting the police force, or to all at once; or altogether whether he is active on behalf of others or simply taking part in his own criminal racket. This ambiguity is an essential aspect of his mission. One can find this in partisan operations around the world today, even if often without being recognized as such—whether we are dealing with some clash in the outlying neighborhood of a city or with cases in city capitals concerning domestic and foreign affairs.  We  are  never  to  determine  who  bears  responsibility  for  such  incidents,  because  the  threads  are  lost  in  an  obscure underworld where the lines separating the opposing sides become blurred. In the repeated attempts to transform the partisan into a hero, we thus see an inability to differentiate properly. The partisan is surely a figure of the elementary but not of the heroic world.His downfall lacks a tragic quality; it transpires in a zone where one indeed maintains a dull, passive relation to pain and its secrets, but where nevertheless one is unable to rise above pain. B

kic wrote:
sta nije zanimljiva ta usporedba, strašan uvid

kic wrote:
ma nekad mislim da i previše raspravljamo

mativka wrote:Zahvaljujući koronavirusu razgovara se o homeschoolingu....nekome se ostvaruju želje, makar i na uvrnuti način :)

aben wrote:

kic wrote:
ma nekad mislim da i previše raspravljamo

pa ne baš :)

aben wrote:

mativka wrote:Zahvaljujući koronavirusu razgovara se o homeschoolingu....nekome se ostvaruju želje, makar i na uvrnuti način :)

je, ali svaki homeschooler tribo dobiti državni certifikat i potpisati izjavu da ne će učiti više nego je propisano da ne bi steko nepoštenu prednost

aben wrote:

kic wrote:
sta nije zanimljiva ta usporedba, strašan uvid

e, 
a livo krilo denkverbota nemo ot uvid ni post festum

mativka wrote:

aben wrote:

mativka wrote:Zahvaljujući koronavirusu razgovara se o homeschoolingu....nekome se ostvaruju želje, makar i na uvrnuti način :)

je, ali svaki homeschooler tribo dobiti državni certifikat i potpisati izjavu da ne će učiti više nego je propisano da ne bi steko nepoštenu prednost

Aj, koda će tko znati :)

aben wrote:

ebenica wrote:

aben wrote:

ebenica wrote:

aben wrote:
a ča je kapitalizam, ako ne teorija?

pa celo vrime mi se govori da nikad ni zaživi u praksi.

ma kako nije?
kapitalizam je zaživio u doba rockefellera pa je iznjedrio njega, morgana i ostale debile, zaživio je u rusiji nakon sloma sovjetskog saveza pa je iznjedrio abramovića i ostale debile, zaživio je u hrvatskoj nakon rata pa je iznjedrio todorića i ostale debile, zaživio je u kini kad je ista odlučila postat tvornica svijeta....zaživi kapitalizam ali samo nakratko dok se ne podijeli kapital.

kad se podijeli kapital u par ruku to je onda to. vidiš da bi kapitalizam uspio treba mu određeni povijesni trenutak: rat, raspad, kriza, robovska radna snaga i onda je najbolji, blista.

 to ne pitoj mene, to pitoj rabarbaru koja mi govori kako moja teorija nika ni zaživila u praksi, i sebe jer ka si me isko da ti pokožin državu po mojin guštu, stalno si govori da su to socijalističke države i piso kako imaju socijalne programa i javno zdravstvo i sl.

nije ona mislila na taj pravi brutalni, nego ove verzije koje su nam poznate, američki ili srednjeeuropski, jer razlikujemo nijanse. ti u tom američkom nisi živio. ovaj naš je blizak srednjeeuropskom ali to pljuješ jer ima socijalizma.

 ona je lipo rekla da kapitalizam ki jo opisujen ni provi kapitalizam.

Da bi znao što je uistinu kapitalizam trebaš živjeti barem neko vrijeme u takvom uređenju....
Možda bi onda ipak shvatio da to što si napisao nema veze sa stvarnim kapitalizmom.

to znoči da je ovo ča jo pišin samo teorija, nemo je u praksi, imaginarna ideja, right?

Ra wrote:

Pitanje tjedna je: Koliko bi Abend sa svojim radnim navikama, svojom spremnošću prihvatiti rizik i odgovornosti (kao pojedinac), znanjem i sposobnošću prilagođavanja,  izdržao u tom sjajnom američkom kapitalizmu?  

mativka wrote:

aben wrote:

kic wrote:
ma nekad mislim da i previše raspravljamo

pa ne baš :)

Taman je sve krenulo po Abenovoj volji.
Kic, a moram priznati da si me ugodno iznenadio, dobro plivaš i u tim vodama.

Gnječ wrote:

Ra wrote:

Pitanje tjedna je: Koliko bi Abend sa svojim radnim navikama, svojom spremnošću prihvatiti rizik i odgovornosti (kao pojedinac), znanjem i sposobnošću prilagođavanja,  izdržao u tom sjajnom američkom kapitalizmu?  

that's not going to happen.

aben wrote:

mativka wrote:

aben wrote:

mativka wrote:Zahvaljujući koronavirusu razgovara se o homeschoolingu....nekome se ostvaruju želje, makar i na uvrnuti način :)

je, ali svaki homeschooler tribo dobiti državni certifikat i potpisati izjavu da ne će učiti više nego je propisano da ne bi steko nepoštenu prednost

Aj, koda će tko znati :)

ne će, government shit rarely works, ali pokušali bi oni zadržati kontrolu, mark my wordz