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pismejker wrote:

Sora wrote:

Speare Shaker wrote:

Sora wrote:
Znanost se bavi onime sto postoji 
Hoces reci 

Ne, nego se znanost bavi onim za što u okviru znanstvene metode može dokazati da postoji ili da ne postoji.
Kad je Bog u pitanju, ne može niti jedno niti drugo, zato se znanost Bogom niti ne bavi.

Dakle ne postoji znanstvena metoda za dokazivanje boga 
Ni nece 
Ne mozes dokazati nepostojece bice

ne postoji znanstvena metoda za dokazivanje puno toga,ipak su nam te stvari ispred ociju,a oprema znanstvena ,kameno doba za tu svrhu..

Ma jasta 
To ti vrijedi za hrvatsko pravosuđe svakako 
Imas praf

Sora wrote:

Speare Shaker wrote:

Sora wrote:
Znanost se bavi onime sto postoji 
Hoces reci 

Ne, nego se znanost bavi onim za što u okviru znanstvene metode može dokazati da postoji ili da ne postoji.
Kad je Bog u pitanju, ne može niti jedno niti drugo, zato se znanost Bogom niti ne bavi.

Dakle ne postoji znanstvena metoda za dokazivanje boga 
Ni nece 
Ne mozes dokazati nepostojece bice

Ne uz pomoć znanosti.
Poanta je u tome da se znanost bavi samo fenomenima koji postoje u svijetu, jer jedino njih može proučavati, mjeriti, ekspreimentirati sa njima itd.
Bog ne pripada svijetu i nije ograničen svijetom (niti bilo čim), izvan je svijeta (u vječnosti) i njegovih tipičnih ograničenja u prostoru i vremenu pa je znanost zbog toga potpuno nemoćna kad je Bog u pitanju.
No, postoji tako nešto kao što je logička nužnost, a u tu kategoriju ulazi i pojam apsoluta kojeg je filozofija izjednačila s Bogom i to je jedan od razloga zašto se filozofija ipak može baviti Bogom, za razliku od znanosti
Filozofija je ipak ograničena praktički samo elementarnim činjenicama i pravilima logike koja, da se tako izrazim, protiv Boga nemaju ama baš ništa.

Sora wrote:Vidim da se kao dokaz o postojanju boga navodi ZIVOT POSLIJE SMRTI 
ha ha ha 
Aupm 
A sto ne bi vrli teolozi dali neki opipljivi argument 
Ha? 
Pa jedino  je Ero zivio podlije smrti . U operi. 
I Tito. U narodnoj predaji.

A kako stoje stvari s muhamedom?

bez puno price...



When marijuana use triggers psychosis, there may be several different symptoms, all characterized by a break with reality. Common marijuana psychosis symptoms are paranoid delusions, suspiciousness, and a sense of grandiosity. Other potential symptoms include hallucinations, dissociation or a feeling of detachment and unreality, disorganized and disturbed thoughts, inappropriate emotional responses, and unusual changes in behavior. In most cases symptoms resolve once drug use is stopped.

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Psychotic symptoms are all characterized by a loss of touch with reality. While most people who use marijuana will never experience this, use of cannabis can trigger an episode of psychosis. It can cause symptoms like hallucinations, delusions, disordered thoughts, unusual behaviors and emotional responses, paranoia, suspicion, and others.
When cannabis triggers psychosis the episode is usually acute and resolves soon after the psychoactive substances in the drug have left the body. In some cases, though, there may be an underlying mental illness that made it more likely the drug would cause psychotic symptoms. In either case it is important to seek help from a mental health professional, for immediate treatment, for mental health screening, for substance abuse treatment, and, if necessary, for ongoing treatment for a mental illness or psychotic condition.

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Psychosis is not a mental illness; rather, it is a set of symptoms often caused by mental illness and that make a person feel detached from reality in some way. One of the most common types of psychotic conditions is schizophrenia, but many other mental illnesses may trigger psychosis. For instance, the manic phase of bipolar disorder can cause psychosis, as can severe episodes of major depression or postpartum depression.
Psychotic symptoms, regardless of their cause, are characterized by a break from reality. Two of the most characteristic symptoms of psychosis are hallucinations and delusions. To hallucinate is to hear, see, feel, or in other ways sense something that isn’t real. To be delusional means to have persistent false beliefs, even when there is evidence to contradict those beliefs. Psychosis can also cause chaotic thoughts, changes in emotional affect, feelings of detachment, and a sense that things or people aren’t real.

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While psychosis is most often associated with other mental illnesses, substances can also trigger it. Marijuana may trigger an episode of psychosis, although this reaction is not very common. In most cases when it does occur, the psychosis is acute. This means it begins suddenly and stops once the drug has left the individual’s system. Some people may need emergency treatment, as the symptoms can be very distressing. Treatment usually involves placing the person in a calm environment and administering antipsychotic medication.
While cannabis-induced psychosis is usually acute, for some people the psychotic episode may be more chronic. This is more likely in a person who has an underlying mental illness. There is a connection between marijuana use and psychotic conditions like schizophrenia. It is not known if marijuana use contributes to the development of schizophrenia, but evidence does suggest that it can trigger episodes in someone who has schizophrenia or it may cause the onset of the illness in someone predisposed to it. It is also well known that someone with a mental illness is more likely to use marijuana, probably as a way to self-medicate.

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When marijuana use triggers psychosis the symptoms often set in quickly and without much warning. But everyone’s experience is unique and there may be warning signs that someone is beginning to develop psychotic symptoms. This is called pre-psychosis or early psychosis. Some of the characteristics and early warning signs include:
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Someone who is experiencing these signs while using marijuana could be vulnerable to experiencing a more severe psychotic episode. It is important to be aware of the possibility and to seek medical attention if necessary. Psychosis can be distressing and can in some cases cause someone to be at risk of harming themselves or others. If medical or mental health care can be given during an early stage of psychosis it may be possible to help the individual feel safe and secure in the event symptoms get worse.

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Cannabis-induced psychosis is a real mental health condition, although it is one that typically does not persist. It can be diagnosed using the criteria listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. The diagnostic manual states that the condition causes psychotic symptoms either during use of marijuana, during withdrawal from it, or within one month after using it. The symptoms must be severe enough to cause impairment in a person’s ability to function, and they cannot be better explained by another mental illness, like schizophrenia. Symptoms that cannabis-induced psychosis causes include:
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• Delusions. Delusions are beliefs that are false. A person who is delusional continues to have these beliefs even without any evidence they are true and even when there is clear evidence that they are false. With marijuana-induced psychosis, paranoia and suspicion of other people are common delusions. Another common delusion is one of grandiosity, that a person can do more or is capable of more than they really are.
  
• Hallucinations. Psychosis also often causes hallucinations, which are sensations that a person believes are real but don’t actually exist. These can be auditory, such as hearing voices, or they can be visual, causing images and scenes that aren’t really there. Hallucinations may also involve other senses, including touch and smell.
  
• Dissociation. Dissociation is a sense that one is not connected to the real world in some way. One type, depersonalization, makes a person feel they’re outside of their own body. De-realization occurs when a person believes the things and people around them aren’t real.
  
• Disorganized thoughts. Disordered and chaotic thought processes as well as persistent and disturbing thoughts are common characteristics of psychosis. It can become very difficult to think clearly or to focus on anything during a psychotic episode. To an observer, this psychosis symptom makes it seem as if a person is speaking nonsense. Speech can be garbled or jump around to so many different things that it is difficult to understand what they are saying.
  
• Affect and behavioral changes. Affect, or the experience of emotions, can be disturbed by psychosis. This can cause a person to react, behave, or express emotions in ways that seem inappropriate. The changes can be exaggerated, such as when a person becomes highly agitated, angry, or irritable. Psychosis can also cause affect to be less than it should. It can cause a person to be flat or unemotional and, in extreme cases, even catatonic.
  

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By far, most people who experience weed psychosis symptoms are not dangerous. There is, however, always a possibility that someone who has lost touch with reality will exhibit behaviors that pose a risk to themselves or to those around them. Delusional thinking, for instance, may cause someone to firmly believe that their best friend is out to get them, and they may feel they need to protect themselves. Paranoia is one of the more common delusions triggered by marijuana use.
Another possibility is that a person may have delusions of grandiosity that lead them to engage in behaviors that are very risky and dangerous. This might include reckless driving, jumping from a height, or any other activity they would normally not attempt. In this way, psychosis can potentially cause harm to the person experiencing it. It is important to get help if someone has these symptoms and it seems as if they might cause harm or do something dangerous.

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Not everyone who experiences marijuana psychosis symptoms will seek treatment. But, when the symptoms are severe, treatment can help calm the individual and keep them safe. Emergency treatment involves helping the person to an environment that is quiet and calm, with restraint if necessary. They may also be given an antipsychotic medication to relieve the symptoms.
This kind of treatment is a short-term solution. It helps an individual in the moment, but many people who have psychotic episodes can benefit from ongoing care. Treatment to help them stop using marijuana and other substances, and screening and treatment for any underlying mental illnesses, are important for long-term wellness.
Psychosis caused by marijuana may truly be a one-time incident, never to be repeated. But, in many instances, cannabis-induced psychosis is indicative of other mental illnesses, substance use disorders, or both. It is important to be evaluated by a mental health professional so that treatment can be planned to help with these issues and to minimize the risk of having another psychotic episode.

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Smoking marijuana can lead to more than a euphoric high, and has been linked to long-lasting delusions, mouth swelling and several other surprising effects, according to a new review of research on the recreational use of the drug.
"All recreational users should be aware of potential undesired acute cannabinoid effects," or the effects of being high on pot, study author Dr. Eva Hoch, of the department of addictive behavior and addiction medicine at the University of Heidelberg in Germany, told Live Science. The type and severity of these effects depend on many factors, such as the composition of the cannabis, how often someone uses marijuana, the user's disposition and how much they smoke, Hoch said.
Recreational marijuana use has been legalized in several U.S. states, but researchers are still learning about the effects the drug has on a person's mind and body.
To find out, Hoch and colleagues reviewed 116 previous studies that had focused on recreational use of marijuana, not medical marijuana use. The researchers "were surprised by the variety of potential mental and physical health effects reported in the literature," Hoch said.
For instance, from the review, they identified 12 signs of "acute intoxication" or being high on marijuana, which doctors could use to identify when someone is high. These included feeling anxious or agitated, having a slow reaction time or trouble paying attention, feeling euphoric and disinhibited, having an altered sense of time, having limited judgment abilities, experiencing acoustic, optic or tactile illusions, experiencing feelings of being separate from your body or from reality, exhibiting impaired overall physical and mental performance, experiencing hallucinations or paranoid delusions. [11 Odd Facts About Marijuana]
Although most symptoms of marijuana intoxication typically go away within a few hours of using the drug, people can have delusions that last as long as a week, according to the review.
Recreational marijuana use, they found, has been linked to various mental effects — psychotic symptoms, panic attacks, deficient attention and impaired concentration, the researchers said.
Some consequences of recreational cannabis use on the body include vomiting, inflammation in the mouth, excessively fast heartbeat, arrhythmias, irritation of the respiratory system and chronic bronchitis, according to the review.
Particularly vulnerable to the health effects of marijuana are children and adolescents, people with a history of psychosis, depression, anxiety or other mental disorders, pregnant women, as well as people with pre-existing cardiovascular and respiratory problems, she said.
Addicted to weed
People who use high doses of cannabis frequently over many years, and those who start using in adolescence, may become addicted to the drug, or have withdrawal symptoms when they try to stop using it, Hoch said. These users may also have "cognitive impairment, affective disorders, psychosis, anxiety disorders and physical diseases," such as respiratory and cardiovascular conditions, she said.
Studies have shown that 9 percent of cannabis users, regardless of how often they get high, develop an addiction to the drug, she said. Among daily users, 25 to 50 percent develop an addiction.
In Europe, among people who enter drug treatment programs for using illegal substances, the use of cannabis is the most common reason, the researchers wrote in the review.
"The number of adolescents and adults seeking treatment because of cannabis use disorder is continuously rising in many parts of the world," Hoch said.
The review was published May 5 in the journal Deutsches Ärzteblatt International.
Follow Live Science @livescience, Facebook & Google+. Originally published on Live Science.


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Dakle,sve stoji o Mariški,kako teta-Meti rekla...

pismejker wrote:Dakle,sve stoji o Mariški,kako teta-Meti rekla...

U biti dr Ćelić, uz njen mali autorski doprinos, ali nebitno.

Speare Shaker wrote:

pismejker wrote:Dakle,sve stoji o Mariški,kako teta-Meti rekla...

U biti dr Ćelić, ali nebitno.

u biti imas dva linka gore...procitaj..

sVE STROGO ZNANSTVENO-KAKO VOLIS...

pismejker wrote:

Speare Shaker wrote:

pismejker wrote:Dakle,sve stoji o Mariški,kako teta-Meti rekla...

U biti dr Ćelić, ali nebitno.

u biti imas dva linka gore...procitaj..

Postoji čitava gomila sličnih linkova i studija prezentiranih na njima, tako da to zaista i nije neka posebna tajna.

Filozofija NIJE NICIM OGRANIČENA 
jer bi to znacilo da ne mozemo promišljati stvari izvan iskustva ili one kpje se zovu apsolutne 
Mozemo 
U tom i jest poanta 
Da boga zamišljamo kao APSOLUT 
ALI ON U TOM SLUCAJU I NE TREBA POSTOJATI 
filozofijskog rezona ima sve szo covjek moze umom obuhvatiti i cak se ne cini logicno 
Pa ipak. 
Bilo bi bolje da logiku mozemo koristiti i u oitanju boga . 
Onda bi znali. 
Ovako smo u neznanju. 
E vidis protiv toga imamo mnogi.

Speare Shaker wrote:

pismejker wrote:

Speare Shaker wrote:

pismejker wrote:Dakle,sve stoji o Mariški,kako teta-Meti rekla...

U biti dr Ćelić, ali nebitno.

u biti imas dva linka gore...procitaj..

Postoji čitava gomila sličnih linkova i studija prezentiranih na njima, tako da to zaista i nije neka posebna tajna.

Pa nije,ali je lov na vjestice uzeo maha,a prosjecna zena se zeli proglasiti ovisnikom i vjerskim fanatikom,bez razloga..

Sora wrote:Filozofija NIJE NICIM OGRANIČENA 

Jest. Pravilima logike.
Inače nije riječ o filozofiji nego običnom sofizmu, da baš ne kažem verbalnom preseravanju.
Inače samo Bog nije ničim ograničen, jer da jeste, onda ne bi mogao biti savršen, a ako nije savršen, onda nije i ne može biti Bog.

pismejker wrote:

Speare Shaker wrote:

pismejker wrote:

Speare Shaker wrote:

pismejker wrote:Dakle,sve stoji o Mariški,kako teta-Meti rekla...

U biti dr Ćelić, ali nebitno.

u biti imas dva linka gore...procitaj..

Postoji čitava gomila sličnih linkova i studija prezentiranih na njima, tako da to zaista i nije neka posebna tajna.

Pa nije,ali je lov na vjestice uzeo maha,a prosjecna zena se zeli proglasiti ovisnikom i vjerskim fanatikom,bez razloga..

Ah, to je tako tipično za ovaj forum...

U biti stvar je u intezitetu, svi popiju ali nisu svi alkoholicari, svi su zapalili ali ne misle svi da su isus , svi jedu ali nisu svi pretili, svi su katolici ( ovdje, manje, vise) ali nisu svi ludi. 
Sada stavljati kakve delirije moze izazvati alkohol da bi nekom objasnio da ne smije popiti deci vina je slicno kao i stavljati ovo od celica..

pismejker wrote:

Speare Shaker wrote:

pismejker wrote:

Speare Shaker wrote:

pismejker wrote:Dakle,sve stoji o Mariški,kako teta-Meti rekla...

U biti dr Ćelić, ali nebitno.

u biti imas dva linka gore...procitaj..

Postoji čitava gomila sličnih linkova i studija prezentiranih na njima, tako da to zaista i nije neka posebna tajna.

Pa nije,ali je lov na vjestice uzeo maha,a prosjecna zena se zeli proglasiti ovisnikom i vjerskim fanatikom,bez razloga..

Je, ne nije fanatik, samo ce vladu pitati da se ocituje o psovkama

Nema potrebe za medjusobnim vrijedjanjem. Pa, barem mi, dugogodisnji korisnici, znamo svi sve jedni o drugima.
Cesto stojimo na razlicitim stajalistima, pa tako i na ovoj temi. Vrlo suprostavljeni.
Sto je cinjenica, sto je zaista dokazano, a sto drzstveno (ne)prihvatljivo i (ne)pozeljno vrlo je razlicito.
Jedina cinjenica je da ne postoji priznata istina suprotna od drustvene prihvatljivosti.
Kako se mi zgrazamo i iscudjavamo lobotomiji, elektricnim sokovima, ili slicno, vjerojatno ce se iscudjavat kemoterapijama za 50 godina.

sve je oke,dok ne pokusa drugom krojiti zivot..

Sora wrote:
Da boga zamišljamo kao APSOLUT 
ALI ON U TOM SLUCAJU I NE TREBA POSTOJATI 
filozofijskog rezona ima sve szo covjek moze umom obuhvatiti i cak se ne cini logicno 
Pa ipak. 
Bilo bi bolje da logiku mozemo koristiti i u oitanju boga . 
Onda bi znali. 
Ovako smo u neznanju. 
E vidis protiv toga imamo mnogi.

Pa i ne treba. Bog je na kraju krajeva svemoguć po definiciji pa se tako može i samoukinuti, ali nije pitanje može li nego hoće li.
Dakle, Bog je i osoba, jer samo osoba ima volju i onu posebno intrigantnu vrstu svijesti poznatu i kao punokrvnu autobiografsku samosvijest.
Sve što čovjek može umom obuhvatiti i nije logično, jasna stvar.
Tako sam ja na starom forumu baratao sa pojmom nevidljivih ružičastih jednoroga, a riječ je o čistoj kontradikciji, koja je doduše poslužila svrsi da pokažem što sve čovjek može doumiti, a i zabavljalo me.
Da, logiku itekako možemo koristiti po pitanju Boga, ali s logikom postoji jedan problem.
Naime, logika nam samo ukazuje na MOGUĆNOST realnog postojanja nečega na neki način, ne i na NUŽNOST.
Dakle, ako nije riječ o kontradikcijama, postojanje nečeg ulazi u domenu MOGUĆEG (ne i NUŽNOG), a to je vrlo široko područje.
To je upravo ono o čemu sam govorio sa onom pričom o pola-pola odnosno 50% protiv 50%.
Također sam se zabavljao na starom forumu, a dijelom i na ovom, jasno razotkrivajući nesposobnost nekih da se suoče čak i sa samom mogućnošću toga tipa, očito iz razloga jer bi time morali priznati, makar i samo sebi, da su možda u krivu, a na to jednostavno nisu bili spremni.

kaya wrote:

pismejker wrote:

Speare Shaker wrote:

pismejker wrote:

Speare Shaker wrote:

U biti dr Ćelić, ali nebitno.

u biti imas dva linka gore...procitaj..

Postoji čitava gomila sličnih linkova i studija prezentiranih na njima, tako da to zaista i nije neka posebna tajna.

Pa nije,ali je lov na vjestice uzeo maha,a prosjecna zena se zeli proglasiti ovisnikom i vjerskim fanatikom,bez razloga..

Je, ne nije fanatik, samo ce vladu pitati da se ocituje o psovkama

Tja..sasvim demokratski..sto tu nije uredu.._Na zapadu mosh kopati o nekom informacije iz legalnih izvora bez beda..pogotovo o javnim licnostima i politicarima..

dobro sad,teta-Meti nije nikom prijetila lomačom,sve ostalo je legala..