Re: osniva se ministarstvo istine

by veber 22/1/2019, 23:47

marcellus wrote:u svakom slučaju otkad zemlje afrike više nisu kolonije tamo sve propada

najveća uzgajalište ruža je u africi. gleda na sri lanku, proteže se na tri teritorija. plaća 3000€ za bjelca i 2000€ za nigera.
brutto veći od rvacke, a do sri lanke si brodom.

by Guest 22/1/2019, 23:48

Aben,,to si sigurno cito u svetom pismu::)??

by marcellus 22/1/2019, 23:48

Rabarbara wrote:
marcellus wrote:hrvatska je moja zemlja u smislu pripadnosti, državljanstva, a zemljište bilo koje u njoj može biti i od japanca i kenijca i ko god ga kupi i plati što se mene tiče

druga stvar što rh trenutno ne dozvoljava strancima vlasništvo nad poljoprivrednim zemljištem što je besmislica
Nije besmislica. To je hvalabogu nešto što se nije sjetila ova vlast, ali nisu izbrisali iz 'starog' zakona.

Da nije tako davno bi ostali bez cijele Slavonije. Šteta što nisu stavili u zakon da je zabranjena prodaja prirodnih resursa kao što je npr. voda i nafta. Danas nam ne bi Mađari krojili sudbinu rafinerije u Sisku. Imali bi barem nešto svoje. Ovako su naši samo dugovi, a sve što valja posjeduju stranci.

Ekipa... nadam se da nisam nekog uvrijedila. Hvala na druženju i laku noć :)

znači nek zemlja propada samo da je ne damo strancu obrađivat :)

dobra ti filozofija

by veber 22/1/2019, 23:53

marcellus wrote:
veber wrote:
marcellus wrote:koji će ti kurac zemlja kad živiš ko nomad i seliš za bizonima? Nema smisla biti vlasnik zemlje. Ali kad uzgajaš kuruzu onda se mora znat čija je točno zemlja, i čija je kuruza, da ne bi bilo da sam ja sijal a ti si zemeš kad je gotovo jer je to kakti svačija zemlja.
majmune, bosančeroskim načinom razmišljanja nestaje rimska kuća.kuća koja je zatvorena izvana, a otvorena unutra. u centru kuće imaš atrij, vodu i cijela kuća je podređena čovjeku. judaizam ima kuću na brijegu, tamo u 5 stoljeću se stvaraju zgrade koje služe samo spavanju, nemaju dušu.
krščanstvo uništava cijelu jednu kulturu koja se "otkriva" u renesansi. judaizam, krščanstvo i islam su uništile civilizaciju. ne uništile, unazadile.

pojavom reformista, kalvinista kao vjere i renesanse u italiji svijet nakon 1000 godina opet kreće naprijed. a tek izumom watovog parnog stroja dolazimo tu gdje jesmo.

dandanas se vozimo po rimskim cestama, pišemo latinicom. arapi nam ponovno otkrili matematiku. rim se i dalje napaja iz 3 od 7 akvadukta.

prvo, nisu kršćani uništili rimsku kulturu i civilizaciju, nego barbari koji nisu bili kršćani. Europa se kristijanizira tamo od šestog do desetog stoljeća.

drugo, rimska civilizacija je podrazumijevala držanje robova i bacanje ljudi zvijerima za zabavu puka.

meni to nije civilizirano. To je kršćanstvo ukinulo i to je dobro.

što se tiče reformista, tu ima dosta toga za reć. a renesansa je produkt katoličanstva, jasno, nakon što je toma akvinski u 13. st. uveo rimsku filozofiju u kršćansku teologiju ispravno prepoznavši u platonu i aristotelu začetke kršćanske misli.

držanje robova nije upitno. robovi su bili vrlo cijenjeni.
te fame o bacanju robova zvijerima su fame.
to kao da veliš da ja svaku subotu hitim makitine alate u smeće

kršćanstvo jako kasno prepoznaje vrijednosti rima, između ostalog slobodni zidari.

sve judaističke vjere su dovele do pomora.

by Guest 22/1/2019, 23:54

marcellus wrote:
Rabarbara wrote:
marcellus wrote:hrvatska je moja zemlja u smislu pripadnosti, državljanstva, a zemljište bilo koje u njoj može biti i od japanca i kenijca i ko god ga kupi i plati što se mene tiče

druga stvar što rh trenutno ne dozvoljava strancima vlasništvo nad poljoprivrednim zemljištem što je besmislica
Nije besmislica. To je hvalabogu nešto što se nije sjetila ova vlast, ali nisu izbrisali iz 'starog' zakona.

Da nije tako davno bi ostali bez cijele Slavonije. Šteta što nisu stavili u zakon da je zabranjena prodaja prirodnih resursa kao što je npr. voda i nafta. Danas nam ne bi Mađari krojili sudbinu rafinerije u Sisku. Imali bi barem nešto svoje. Ovako su naši samo dugovi, a sve što valja posjeduju stranci.

Ekipa... nadam se da nisam nekog uvrijedila. Hvala na druženju i laku noć :)

znači nek zemlja propada samo da je ne damo strancu obrađivat :)

dobra ti filozofija

Možda je loša, ali ne može biti lošija od ternutno najpopularnije hrvatske filozofije: dajmo rađe zabadava strancu nego da moramo sami raditi bilo što...

Neka o posljedicama naših odluka brinu naši potomci, mi ćemo sve prodati za sitnu lou (daj što daš) i uživati. Baš nas briga što će poslije biti :)

by veber 22/1/2019, 23:59

marcellus wrote:znači nek zemlja propada samo da je ne damo strancu obrađivat :)

dobra ti filozofija

kada ti uvedu parking naplatu ja bum ti platio ćevape.
a da te odmah demantiram, tvoj i erin kompa je meni na privatnom parkingu, kom dva uredno uveo plaćanje. i svaki mjesec platim tvojoj bratiji. 200kn
čekam samo naplatu garaže, a najviše se veselim kada će tebi naplatiti parking koji ti je upisan uz stan. i kada će penzići glasat da se ne mogu parkat, ja bum drugi na referendumu za naplatu.

živijo bandić, kradezej i naplata privatnog parkinga.

by marcellus 23/1/2019, 00:04

Rabarbara wrote:
aben wrote:
marcellus wrote:a to što su bijeli ljudi imali bolje oružje - jebiga što sad, trebali su bacit puške i tuć se s indijancima lukom i strijelom? Svejedno bi pobijedili zbog bolje discipline i organizacije, samo s puno više mrtvih

u principu,
svi ki baštinu nešto od merike, iphone, struju, slobodu, krivi su za pokolj indijuncov.
Kak da ne... Tesla je također bio Amer.

ne bio je kinez jebote

naravno da je bio američki znanstvenik

by marcellus 23/1/2019, 00:06

veber wrote:
držanje robova nije upitno. robovi su bili vrlo cijenjeni.
te fame o bacanju robova zvijerima su fame.
to kao da veliš da ja svaku subotu hitim makitine alate u smeće

držanje robova je jako upitno, stvar principa

a zvijerima su i te kako bacali i robove i kršćane

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnatio_ad_bestias

by marcellus 23/1/2019, 00:07

The custom of submitting criminals to lions was brought to ancient Rome by two commanders, Lucius Aemilius Paullus Macedonicus, who defeated the Macedonians in 186 BC, and his son Scipio Aemilianus, who conquered the African city of Carthage in 146 BC.[12] It was originally a military punishment, possibly borrowed from the Carthaginians. Rome reserved its earliest use for non-Roman military allies found guilty of defection or desertion.[1] The sentenced were tied to columns or thrown to the animals, practically defenseless (i.e. objicĕre bestiis).

Some documented examples of damnatio ad bestias in Ancient Rome include the following: Strabo witnessed[13] the execution of the rebel slaves' leader Selur.[10] The bandit Laureolus was crucified and then devoured by an eagle and a bear, as described by the poet Martial in his Book of Spectacles.[14][15] Such executions were also documented by Seneca the Younger (On anger, III 3), Apuleius (The Golden Ass, IV, 13), Titus Lucretius Carus (On the Nature of things) and Petronius Arbiter (Satyricon, XLV). Cicero was indignant that a man was thrown to the beasts to amuse the crowd just because he was considered ugly.[16][17] Suetonius wrote that when the price of meat was too high, Caligula ordered prisoners, with no discrimination as to their crimes, to be fed to circus animals.[18] Pompey used damnatio ad bestias for showcasing battles and, during his second consulate (55 BC), staged a fight between heavily armed gladiators and 18 elephants.[4][19][20]

The most popular animals were lions, which were imported to Rome in significant numbers specifically for damnatio ad bestias.[10] Bears, brought from Gaul, Germany and even Northern Africa, were less popular.[21][22] Local municipalities were ordered to provide food for animals in transit and not delay their stay for more than a week.[10][23] Some historians believe that the mass export of animals to Rome damaged wildlife in North Africa.[24]

by L'âme 23/1/2019, 00:11

epikur37 wrote:
Nice wrote:
epikur37 wrote:
Nice wrote:Ideoloska indoktrinacija caruje dok je svijeta i vijeka. Samo se mijenjaju instrumenti u skladu s tehnicko-tehnoloskim rastom i razvojem te socijalnim promjenama.

Nemoguće, liberalizam ne indoktrinira on se samo bori za slobodu pojedinca :D
vrhunac perfidnosti i morbidnosti jedne slobode ;-))

Znači ti si protiv slobode...dobro da znamo...

volim je jako..dok mogu razmisljat i zakljucivat..slobodno :-D

by Guest 23/1/2019, 00:48

marcellus wrote: a renesansa je produkt katoličanstva, jasno, nakon što je toma akvinski u 13. st. uveo rimsku filozofiju u kršćansku teologiju ispravno prepoznavši u platonu i aristotelu začetke kršćanske misli.

ma netočno!
renesansa je produkt bolesti pandemije kuge a ne katoličanstva. da nije bilo pandemije kuge ne bi ni renesanse bilo i sve bi danas bilo drukčije. čak i legendarna netrpeljivost i podijeljenost između sjeverne i južne Italije je produkt pandemije kuge.

evo ti na čitaj

How did the Bubonic Plague make the Italian Renaissance possible?

The Black Death (1347-1350) was a pandemic that devastated the populations of Europe and Asia. The plague was an unprecedented human tragedy in Italy. It not only shook Italian society but transformed it. The Black Death marked an end of an era in Italy, its impact was profound, and it resulted in wide-ranging social, economic, cultural and religious changes.[1] These changes, directly and indirectly, led to the emergence of the Renaissance, one of the greatest epochs for art, architecture, and literature in human history.

The Impact of the Plague of Italy
To Black Death spread to Italy from modern-day Russia. Genoese merchants spread the plague while fleeing a Mongol attack on their trading post in Crimea. The plague was carried and spread by the fleas that lived on the Black Rat and brought to Italy on the Genoese ships.[2] The population of Italy was ill prepared for the spread of the disease. There had been a series of famine and food shortages in the region, and the population was weak and vulnerable to disease, and furthermore, the population did not have any natural resistance to the disease. Italy was the most urbanized society in Europe, Milan, Rome, Florence, and other Italian centers among the largest on the continent.[3]

The majority of the urban population in cities such as Naples were impoverished and lived in squalid and dirty conditions. These factors ensured that the diseases spread quickly and that there was a high level of mortality, among the poor, although even the rich could not escape the plague.[4] From the cities, the plague spread like wildfire to the small towns and villages of the peninsula.

There is no firm data on the impact of the plague on the population of Italy. However, some examples show the full extent of the disease in Italy. The plague halved the population of Florence. The population crashed and fell from approximately 100,000 to 50,000. The experience of Florence was replicated across all the major cities of Italy which also experienced similar drastic declines. The death rate in rural Italy was not nearly as high, but there was a significant loss of life. In general, the total population of Italy may have dropped by as much as a third.[5]

The Black Death was also an economic crisis as trade ceased because of fear of the spread of plague. As trade stagnated, businesses failed, and unemployment rose. The plague caused a complete social breakdown in many areas. Boccaccio in the Decameron, describes people abandoning their occupations, ignoring the sick and living lives of wild excess, as everyone expected to die.

"Thus, doing exactly as they prescribed, they spent day and night moving from one tavern to the next, drinking without mode or measure, or doing the same thing in other people's homes, engaging only in those activities that gave them pleasure….. And they combined this bestial behavior with as complete an avoidance of the sick as they could manage."

Socio-Economic Consequences

The social consequences of the plague on society came to be profound. The high mortality rate resulted in a drastic decline in the labor force.[7]. Wages rose for both agricultural and urban workers. The survivors of the Black Death generally had a higher standard of living than before the plague.[8] This was a phenomenon that occurred in both urban and rural areas. The crisis caused by the Black Death led to many changes in the economy, in response to the fall in the population. Because of the labor shortages, there was a move from labor-intensive farming such as cereal to livestock and increase both in industry and agriculture more labor-saving devices employed.[9] The impact of the Black Death was contrary on feudalism in Italy. Feudalism was a system whereby peasants and farm laborers bound, as serfs, to serve a local lord. In the north of Italy, good farmland was plentiful, and wages increased, and the last vestiges of feudalism disappeared as serfs increasingly could purchase their freedom.

In the south of Italy the opposite occurred, here, since the Norman kings, the aristocracy had been consolidating feudalism. After the Black Death, the elite responded to the labor shortages by strengthening the restrictions on the peasants and thereby strengthened feudalism in southern Italy. The consequences of the plague resulted in a growing divide between the North and South of Italy that persists to this day.[10] In general, after a period of recovery, much of Italy became very wealthy as a more sophisticated economy emerged, especially in the North of Italy. This was crucial, as the increased wealth of Italy allowed the elite, such as the De Medici’s in Florence to become the patrons of great artists such as Michelangelo and Leonardo da Vinci.[11]

Religious Consequences
Initially, in Italy, the plague led to a revival in religion among many. The middle ages was a time when people believed that events are a result of God’s will. Many viewed the plague as punishment for God for the wickedness and immorality of the people. There was an upsurge in religious observance, and many sections of the public became swept by religious fervor, as many sincerely believed that the Black Death was a sign that the end of the world was coming.[12] Religious fanaticism spread throughout the peninsula and many men and women performed in extreme religious practices, such as the flagellants. The flagellants whipped themselves into a frenzy to atone for their sins. The Church suffered greatly during the plague, many priests and especially monks died. The monasteries proved ideal breeding grounds for the plague while many priests contracted the sickness as they gave the last rites to the dying. [13]

The result was a shortage of trained monks and priests. To deal with this, the Church hastily trained new monks and priests to serve the spiritual needs of the community, still coming to terms with the trauma of the Black Death. This meant that many unsuitable individuals became clerics and this led to a drop in standards among parish priests, in particular.[14] The Church became corrupt and gradually over time lost the respect of many believers. In the short term the Black Death strengthened the Catholic Church in Italy, but in the long run, an increasingly corrupt institution meant that many people lost their faith. This led to the increasing secularisation of Italian society as many increasingly turned away from the church in disgust as the worldliness of prelates and priests. The contempt that many felt is evident in the stories of Boccaccio of venal and depraved priests, monks and nuns.[15] The church had traditionally monopolized education, but after the Black Death, there was more secular education, especially in the cities. This was decisive in the emergence of the Renaissance, with its emphasis on human values and experiences rather than religion.[16]

Questioning of authority

Cultural Change

Social Mobility

Decline of the Nobility

Conclusion
The Black Death devastated Italian society in the middle of the 14th century. It led to great socio-economic, cultural and religious changes. After the initial horrors of the plague, Italian society, staged a spectacular recovery. Italy became richer than before. The impact of the plague reduced the influence of the Catholic Church as diminished, and the culture became more secular. The new social mobility meant that individualism came to be respected. The Black Death unleashed the forces in Italian society that made the Renaissance possible.

tu sam stavio samo dio na linku ispod je cijeli tekst.

https://dailyhistory.org/How_did_the_Bubonic_Plague_make_the_Italian_Renaissance_possible%3F

by Leviathan2 23/1/2019, 02:18

Nice wrote:
epikur37 wrote:
Nice wrote:
epikur37 wrote:
Nice wrote:Ideoloska indoktrinacija caruje dok je svijeta i vijeka. Samo se mijenjaju instrumenti u skladu s tehnicko-tehnoloskim rastom i razvojem te socijalnim promjenama.

Nemoguće, liberalizam ne indoktrinira on se samo bori za slobodu pojedinca :D
vrhunac perfidnosti i morbidnosti jedne slobode ;-))

Znači ti si protiv slobode...dobro da znamo...
volim je jako..dok mogu razmisljat i zakljucivat..slobodno :-D

jel ti vidis kako se uvaljuju u kalupe umjesto da koriste sivu masu :)
a s koristenjem joj se podize kapacitet i produktivnost
ah ah, ideologije ideologije
uvijek najdu pristalice

by Sora 23/1/2019, 07:38

Postoje ideologije
Uvijek su u sluzbi vladajucih
Osim onih koje se izvode iz marksizma jer je jedini pokusao znanstveno objasniti povijesna kretanja i odnose u drustvu
Nije naravno sasvim tocno, ali daleko vise i bolje od ostalih .

Zato se danas boje marksizma upravo ovo koji su stvorili svijet u kpjem 50 ljudi drzi toliko bogatstva koliko ima vise od 50% covjecanstva.

Drugo.rekigije su totalni ideoloski produkti koji se protezu na sve aspekte zivota. Najopasniji i najpodmukliji ideoloski konstrukti kpji nemaju veze s Vezom s nicim, ali kao pružaju Nadu u bolje sutra. U grobu.

Trece . Upoznati se s ideologijama ne moze bas tako lako u par recenica. Sporno je sto je liberalizam, antifasizam, fasizam.
Naravno, poluobrazovani ljudi su lakse zrtve ideoloskih voda.

by aben 23/1/2019, 07:40

Sora wrote:Postoje ideologije
Uvijek su u sluzbi vladajucih
Osim onih koje se izvode iz marksizma jer je jedini pokusao znanstveno objasniti povijesna kretanja i odnose u drustvu
Nije naravno sasvim tocno, ali daleko vise i bolje od ostalih .

Zato se danas boje marksizma upravo ovo koji su stvorili svijet u kpjem 50 ljudi drzi toliko bogatstva koliko ima vise od 50% covjecanstva.

Drugo.rekigije su totalni ideoloski produkti koji se protezu na sve aspekte zivota. Najopasniji i najpodmukliji ideoloski konstrukti kpji nemaju veze s Vezom s nicim, ali kao pružaju Nadu u bolje sutra. U grobu.

Trece . Upoznati se s ideologijama ne moze bas tako lako u par recenica. Sporno je sto je liberalizam, antifasizam, fasizam.
Naravno, poluobrazovani ljudi su lakse zrtve ideoloskih voda.

žrtve svih ideologija (osim liberalizma) su oni koji ih ne prihvaćaju, a ne oni ki ih prihvaćaju

by darth_vader 23/1/2019, 07:45

aben wrote:
Sora wrote:Postoje ideologije
Uvijek su u sluzbi vladajucih
Osim onih koje se izvode iz marksizma jer je jedini pokusao znanstveno objasniti povijesna kretanja i odnose u drustvu
Nije naravno sasvim tocno, ali daleko vise i bolje od ostalih .

Zato se danas boje marksizma upravo ovo koji su stvorili svijet u kpjem 50 ljudi drzi toliko bogatstva koliko ima vise od 50% covjecanstva.

Drugo.rekigije su totalni ideoloski produkti koji se protezu na sve aspekte zivota. Najopasniji i najpodmukliji ideoloski konstrukti kpji nemaju veze s Vezom s nicim, ali kao pružaju Nadu u bolje sutra. U grobu.

Trece . Upoznati se s ideologijama ne moze bas tako lako u par recenica. Sporno je sto je liberalizam, antifasizam, fasizam.
Naravno, poluobrazovani ljudi su lakse zrtve ideoloskih voda.
žrtve svih ideologija (osim liberalizma) su oni koji ih ne prihvaćaju, a ne oni ki ih prihvaćaju

by darth_vader 23/1/2019, 08:14

catabbath wrote:Ministarstvo istine je danas već razotkrilo fejknjuz da ministar ide na kurve i šmrće koku

Jebena usrana Sjeverna Koreja. :blj

by kaya 23/1/2019, 08:57

marcellus wrote:kod indijanaca nije postojao institut vlasništva nad zemljom, logično, jer je nisu znali kultivirati pa im nije ni trebao.

Nema veze, tamo gdje su obitavali bila je njihova zemlja. To su im ili oteli ili kupili za nesto sitno i satjerali ih zapadnije u rezervate . Prije toga su im uzeli izvor hrane pa su bili ovosni o pomoci vlade . Kao takvi otisli su rezrvate gdje ih je vlada hranila. I danas im placaju odstete za tu zemlju. Znaci priznaju da je bila njihova bez obzira sto nisu imsli institut vlasnistva nad zemljom.
Juznije je politika bila takva da su im dopustili da se pomijesaju sa ostalima, bez rezervata.

by kaya 23/1/2019, 08:59

Laz je prepostavljam sve protiv cardaklija i usa politike pa ce ministarstvo zabraniti.

by marcellus 23/1/2019, 09:11

kaya wrote:
marcellus wrote:kod indijanaca nije postojao institut vlasništva nad zemljom, logično, jer je nisu znali kultivirati pa im nije ni trebao.

Nema veze, tamo gdje su obitavali bila je njihova zemlja. To su im ili oteli ili kupili za nesto sitno i satjerali ih zapadnije u rezervate . Prije toga su im uzeli izvor hrane pa su bili ovosni o pomoci vlade . Kao takvi otisli su rezrvate gdje ih je vlada hranila. I danas im placaju odstete za tu zemlju. Znaci priznaju da je bila njihova bez obzira sto nisu imsli institut vlasnistva nad zemljom.
Juznije je politika bila takva da su im dopustili da se pomijesaju sa ostalima, bez rezervata.

konkretno, kod katolika (španjolci i portugalci, francuzi) je bilo miješanja a kod protestanata na sjeveru ne.

ipak pitanje je je li to do plemena ili do europljana, odnosno jesu li plemena odlučila ne miješati se s bijelim ljudima ili im ovi kao nisu dali.

e sad, ovo "gdje su obitavali je bila njihova zemlja"... mala kvaka je da su plemena uvijek ratovala za žene (skvo) koje su tradicionalno otimali od drugih plemena, i za pašnjake.

dakle to je kod indijanaca bila jako relativna stvar. Zemlja je od onog tko je zauzme, a naravno da narod koji se bavi poljoprivredom ne može tako funkcionirati

by Guest 23/1/2019, 09:43

marcellus wrote:ratovali... i za pašnjake.

kakve pašnjake? :facepalm

koje domaće životinje su Indijanci držali na pašnjacima?

by Guest 23/1/2019, 09:49

živjeli su u kamenom dobu kad su Španjolci došli, imali su kameno oruđe i oružje

nisu imali kotač, nisu imali metalurgiju niti su obrađivali metal, nisu imali pismo

nisu imali pripitomljene domaće životinje koje bi vodili na ispašu na pašnjake

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