Re: Građanski rat u Rusiji - tema

by dijagram Sat 24 Jun - 20:10

Osramocena je i sama rusija dakako.
Saka robijasa, pedesetak tisuca ljudi za jednu rusiju je sitnica, uzdrmala kompletnu rusku vlast, vojnu i politicku.
Nevjerojatno ali istinito.

by **Hektorović** Sat 24 Jun - 20:16

Local residents are also happy with the peaceful resolution of the situation and escort the Wagner fighters with applause.

However, against the backdrop of the receding threat of internal conflict, the question remains of what was promised to Prigozhin by the Russian authorities and vice versa.

by **Hektorović** Sat 24 Jun - 20:18

From now on, there are two presidents in the Russian Federation - the real president, Evgeny Viktorovich Prigozhin, and the vice-president for imprisonment, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. The main purpose of the zits-president is to periodically address the real president, and in a kneeling position, with the question: "What would you like, Yevgeny Viktorovich?"

by AlfaOmega Sat 24 Jun - 20:29

Jbg, kak god okreneš, sutra ćemo ka da se ništa ni ni desilo. Opet ćemo pričat o Ukrajini.... i kontri koja nikak da upali. study

by **AssadNaPodmornici** Sat 24 Jun - 20:31

šteta što nije duže trajalo.
međutim pozicija putina je ugrožena. pazi privatna armija ga je mogla zagziti, toliko o svemu.

ovo će još biti igre prijestolja i ekipa će ispadati kroz prozor idućih mjeseci.
sa druge strane , možeš mislit koliko je moral visok Rusima dole na prvoj crti

dobra stvar je gubitak nekoliko helikoptera(pravi gubitak, ne ono što je UKR ministarstvo obrane objavljivalo, ovdje imamo i slike i potvrdu ruskih telegram kanala)-.. jer ti helikopteri nanose najveće gubitke Ukrajincima, buše i NATO oklop sa velike udaljenosti.

šteta što nije bila bitka za moskvu

by **Hektorović** Sat 24 Jun - 20:32

As reported, the criminal case against Prigozhin, within the framework of the agreements reached, has either already been terminated, or will be terminated in the very near future.

Putin phoned Lukashenka and thanked Batka for the efforts made to de-escalate the situation.

Also, a number of channels indicate a significant role in the negotiations of the Tula governor Dyumin.

by AlfaOmega Sat 24 Jun - 20:34

AssadNaPodmornici wrote:šteta što nije duže trajalo.
međutim pozicija putina je ugrožena. pazi privatna armija ga je mogla zagziti, toliko o svemu.

ovo će još biti igre prijestolja i ekipa će ispadati kroz prozor idućih mjeseci.
sa druge strane , možeš mislit koliko je moral visok Rusima dole na prvoj crti

dobra stvar je gubitak nekoliko helikoptera(pravi gubitak, ne ono što je UKR ministarstvo obrane objavljivalo, ovdje imamo i slike i potvrdu ruskih telegram kanala)-.. jer ti helikopteri nanose najveće gubitke Ukrajincima, buše i NATO oklop sa velike udaljenosti.

šteta što nije bila bitka za moskvu

Ti znaš da su tih Kamova Rusi imaju pun kurac? I da se ubrzano vrši upgrade na Aligator inačicu? Par danas oborenih neće ništ značajno prominit.

by **kic** Sat 24 Jun - 20:48

svakih 100god jedna bitka za Moskvu, zamalo..

by **Hektorović** Sat 24 Jun - 20:53

They write that, most likely, the main goal - the resignation of the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation - was nevertheless achieved.

In exchange for this, Prigozhin will probably either disband the PMC or transfer them to units of the Russian Ministry of Defense, leaving the post of head.

Considering that in the last week PMCs have been actively looking for foreign translators of Arabic and French, the option of returning part of the PMCs to Africa and the Middle East is quite realistic.

by **Hektorović** Sat 24 Jun - 21:01

Let's analyze who won and lost from Prigozhin's march

Losers:

Putin: showed his determination, and then rolled it back. After the morning speech, he did not appear in the media. Spoiled the ratings before the elections. On the plus side, he was able to resolve the issue peacefully through vassals, practically avoiding casualties.

Shoigu and Gerasimov: most likely they will both be removed from their posts, they did not comment on the situation at all, they gave Surovikin to be torn to pieces by mercenaries. Now they are in the hands of the FSO, according to colleagues.

Prigozhin: it seems that he was able to avoid a criminal term, but he lost the authority of the fighters. Money, drugs and gold bars were found in his office, which still needs to be explained. The fate of Prigozhin is vague. He can still be punished.

Winners:

Zelensky and his office: got an opportunity for a counterattack, which they are now using with might and main, made sure that Russia can be shaken from within, and potentially got a powerful ally in the person of Prigozhin if they continue to pinch him.

Lukashenka: he was able to collect all the laurels of a peacemaker, although it is clear that he did not become a key link in the success of the negotiations. Got leverage on Putin. In words, he repaid his debt to GDP for help during large-scale rallies in Minsk.

Dyumin: And here is a person who really played a decisive role in the negotiations. Now he is predicted to be the Minister of Defense, and in 2024 the post of President of the Russian Federation. Finest hour for the governor of the Tula region.

by **Hektorović** Sat 24 Jun - 21:12

US intelligence officials believe that the head of the Wagner PMC has been planning to seriously challenge the Russian military leadership for quite some time, and have seen signs of the alleged operation earlier, writes CNN, citing three different sources. However, according to the TV channel, the "ultimate goal" of the rebellion remained unclear for the department.

by IL Risorto Sat 24 Jun - 21:19

Još se čela službeno očitovanje cjenjene Intergalaktičke Konfederacije oko ovih događaja.

by RayMabus Sat 24 Jun - 21:29

IL Risorto wrote:Još se čela službeno očitovanje cjenjene Intergalaktičke Konfederacije oko ovih događaja.

Pa iša san spavat kad san se napija jer san mora ovo proslavit. A onda još i ubila ova vrućina.

Dobro jutro radni narode Crne Gore.

Tko danas vodi ? U Rusiji mislim, ne Ukrajini.

Znači Šojgu i Gerasimov su out.

On će meni tenkove a to je napad a nema vojske ni da mu obranu drži dole. Eto ti sad tenkovi al na tebe.

Idemo dalje. Preko vode do slobode. lol!

by **Hektorović** Sat 24 Jun - 21:33

Čeka se Putinov govor

by **Hektorović** Sat 24 Jun - 21:34

by **Hektorović** Sat 24 Jun - 21:52

:zap:Kazneni slučaj protiv Prigožina će biti odbačen, on će "otići u Bjelorusiju", rekao je Peskov.

by **Hektorović** Sat 24 Jun - 21:53

:zap:Dio boraca PMC "Wagner", koji su u početku odbili sudjelovati u akcijama Prigožina, potpisat će ugovore s Ministarstvom obrane , rekao je Peskov.

by RayMabus Sat 24 Jun - 21:54

Baš me boli kurac di će on otić. Sad će ruska Duma pritiskat Putina da makne Šojgua i ovog drugog jer zamalo zbog njihovih igrica i traljavosti ovi nisu ostali bez glave i guzica jer im je ovi okrenija tenkove na Moskvu tj na njih.

by veber Sat 24 Jun - 21:56

dijagram wrote:Osramocena je i sama rusija dakako.
Saka robijasa, pedesetak tisuca ljudi za jednu rusiju je sitnica, uzdrmala kompletnu rusku vlast, vojnu i politicku.
Nevjerojatno ali istinito.

nemojmo podcjenjivat wagnerovce.
bez obzira na porjeklo, većina je bila u izravnim borbama.

legija stranca ili sas su isto tako složeni od kriminalaca, ubojica, silovatelja ili dezertera.

nakon obuke i drila, nema više prošlosti.

oni silovatelji od kadrilova su opasni po civile. čim se zapucalo svi zbrisali.

čak da iza wagnera stoji us, treba imat muda jebat mater putinu i potencijalno oko 50-100 000 ipak obučenih ljudi.
nije tu samo vojska. ima rusija kao i druge zemlje specijalnu policiju, antiterorističku.

nekaj se kotrlja iza brda, a nisu mujage.

by RayMabus Sat 24 Jun - 22:07

Ruski mediji sve više govore o ostavci Šojgua i Gerasimova nakon dogovora!

https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/status/1672667811603202049?cxt=HHwWgoC2neagwbYuAAAA

by crvenkasti Sat 24 Jun - 22:07

Jedini koji je bio na strani Wagnera bio je Putin.
Generali nikad nisu bili. Sada je gotovo.

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