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Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
by Šandor Winnetou 4/4/2020, 00:14
držim da će prestati davati podatke ili ih rapidno frizirati ali na globalnoj razinimichaellcmacha wrote:psihološka granica 1 milijun... koja je slijedeće... 10 milijuna... kada... uskoro...Gnječ wrote:
New York City Has Nearly 1 In 4 Of All COVID-19 Cases in US | NBC Nightly News
Published on Apr 2, 2020
ne da mi se kopati ali prije mjesec i pol sam rekoa da se ovo više ne može zaustaviti a sad kad je provalio u najveće gradove svijeta samo nebo mu je granica.
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Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
by Counter-Strike 4/4/2020, 00:16
nije moguce da mi je tu nesto promaklomichaellcmacha wrote:ne vjerujem jer nisi imao gdje... ovo je konspirativni uradak boraca za istinu iz ex isk pleme zajednice... ;)Unimatrix_Zero wrote:michaellcmacha wrote:ako si na ti sa svetozarom nek ti pošalje dva linka... mislim što se mene tiče ja bi najradije to stavio tu da svi si skinu i pročitaju... ali eto nek ide ovak od ruke do ruke... pa ako ništa da svi imamo uvid i u tu stranu priče koja je autentična a trenutno čini mi se mali broj ljudi ima priliku vidjeti to iako je to javni dokument...Unimatrix_Zero wrote:michaellcmacha wrote:
e a sad još da si poentirao sa iznošenjem činjenice tko je osmislio epidemiološke mjere i na čiji nagovor je szo dala smjernice svim zemljama da primjene upravo te epidemiološke mjere... zatvaranje određenog prostora, unutar prostora izdavanje obvezujućih uputa, gašenje svih gospodarskih aktivnosti, i u konačnici represija prema onima koji ne postupaju po uputama...
jebiga to je onaj najshokantniji dio,anti-ljudski,to me toliko ni ne iznenadjuje jer zivimo u nehumanom svijetu,ono sto mi se gadi su pasivni ljudi i ljudi tipa treba pobiti ove one,razne grupe ljudi,pa to su radili nacisti kasnije i komunisti,ameri onako malo sofisticirano,ma jebiga nisam znao bili poentirao sa bilom gejtson i njegovim govorom o depopulaciji i sterilizaciji vakcinisanjem ili sa cime,uglavnom ko malo dublje zagrebe mor doci do slicnog zakljucka kao ja i levi,mada se zamalo ne posvadjasmo pa na kraju se nekako nadjosmo
posalji ako hoces na pp,mozda sam vec vidio,neznam
mozda dok sam spavao 
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Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
by Guest 4/4/2020, 00:21
michaellcmacha wrote:psihološka granica 1 milijun... koja je slijedeće... 10 milijuna... kada... uskoro...Gnječ wrote:
New York City Has Nearly 1 In 4 Of All COVID-19 Cases in US | NBC Nightly News
Published on Apr 2, 2020
2 milijuna za mjesec dana.
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Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
by Šandor Winnetou 4/4/2020, 00:22
15 u vrh glave no volio bi da si ti u pravu.Gnječ wrote:michaellcmacha wrote:psihološka granica 1 milijun... koja je slijedeće... 10 milijuna... kada... uskoro...Gnječ wrote:
New York City Has Nearly 1 In 4 Of All COVID-19 Cases in US | NBC Nightly News
Published on Apr 2, 2020
2 milijuna za mjesec dana.
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Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
by michaellcmacha 4/4/2020, 00:24
kako kad je evo za dan i sitno narastao broj za 100 000, a gdje su ovi rimljani iz indije, afrike, meksika, brazila, indonezije, filipina i t dGnječ wrote:michaellcmacha wrote:psihološka granica 1 milijun... koja je slijedeće... 10 milijuna... kada... uskoro...Gnječ wrote:
New York City Has Nearly 1 In 4 Of All COVID-19 Cases in US | NBC Nightly News
Published on Apr 2, 2020
2 milijuna za mjesec dana.
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Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
by Guest 4/4/2020, 00:25
Even if you test negative for COVID-19, assume you have it, experts say
By Nicoletta Lanese - Staff Writer 5 hours ago
No diagnostic test is 100% accurate, but experts have still expressed concern at the accuracy of the COVID-19 tests.
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CORONAVIRUS FAQ
—Coronavirus in the US: Map & cases
—What are the symptoms of COVID-19?
—How deadly is the new coronavirus?
—How long does coronavirus last on surfaces?
—Is there a cure for COVID-19?
—How does COVID-19 compare with seasonal flu?
—How does the coronavirus spread?
—Can people spread the coronavirus after they recover?
Conventional diagnostic tests for the novel coronavirus may give false-negative results about 30% of the time, meaning people with an active COVID-19 infection still test negative for the disease, according to news reports.
"Unfortunately, we have very little public data on the false-negative rate for these tests in clinical practice," Dr. Harlan M. Krumholz, a professor of medicine at Yale University and director of the Yale New Haven Hospital Center for Outcomes Research and Evaluation, wrote in an opinion piece in The New York Times. However, preliminary research from China suggests that the most common type of COVID-19 test, known as a reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) test, may give false-negative results about 30% of the time.
The Chinese research has not yet been peer-reviewed, but anecdotally, Krumholz's colleagues have expressed concern that the false-negative rate may be even higher in the U.S., he wrote.
"A lot of my patients who have symptoms, who I clinically think have COVID-19, are testing negative," Dr. Alain Chaoui, head of Congenial Healthcare, a practice with 50,000 patients across five locations in Massachusetts, told The Boston Globe.
RT-PCR tests work by detecting bits of viral genetic material present in a patient's mucus, saliva and cells at the very back of their nasal cavity, where the nose meets the throat, Live Science previously reported. Doctors collect patient samples using a long, skinny swab and then apply chemicals to the sample to eliminate everything apart from the viral genetic material, called RNA. Enzymes added to the sample jump-start a chemical process that transcribes the RNA into DNA, which can then be processed in a machine and copied many times over.
With enough DNA copies on hand, scientists can then apply fluorescent tags to the sample that bind to specific bits of genetic material and glow once attached. The glow announces the presence of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.
Related: 10 deadly diseases that hopped across species
"The good news is that the tests appear to be highly specific: If your test comes back positive, it is almost certain you have the infection," Krumholz wrote. But RT-PCR tests might give false-negative results for a number of reasons, he added.
In one scenario, the initial swab sample may not always collect enough genetic material to provide an accurate test. This problem may arise more often in patients who do not show many symptoms at the time of their test, the Globe reported. In addition, the standard nasopharyngeal swab, wherein a long instrument is wriggled and rotated to the very back of the nasal cavity, can be both difficult for clinicians to perform and uncomfortable for patients to endure, Krumholz wrote.
Alternatively, false-negative results may result from how tests are processed in the laboratory or what specific chemicals are applied to each sample, Krumholz noted.
If false-negative results prove fairly common, what should people do if they receive one?
Chaoui told The Boston Globe that he is advising all his patients who test negative for the virus to assume they are infected, regardless, and quarantine themselves until they are symptom-free for at least 72 hours. Krumholz shared a similar sentiment in the Times. At UMass Memorial Medical Center in Worcester, epidemiologist Dr. Richard Ellison told the Globe that the hospital is now retesting patients who received a negative test but have symptoms of the novel coronavirus, in an attempt to cut down on false negatives.
"For now, we should assume that anyone could be carrying the virus," Krumholz wrote. "If you have had likely exposures and symptoms suggest Covid-19 infection, you probably have it — even if your test is negative."
That said, no diagnostic test provides accurate results 100% of the time, and the tests developed by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are highly sensitive to the coronavirus, Dr. Larry Madoff, medical director of the Bureau of Infectious Disease at the Massachusetts Department of Public Health, wrote in a statement, according to the Globe.
"No test detects every case and there is no current 'gold standard' to compare [the COVID-19 tests] to," he wrote. "Testing may be falsely negative if the test is obtained too early or too late compared to infection, or if the sample isn’t obtained or processed correctly."
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By Nicoletta Lanese - Staff Writer 5 hours ago
No diagnostic test is 100% accurate, but experts have still expressed concern at the accuracy of the COVID-19 tests.
Comments (0)
(Image: :copyright: Shutterstock)
CORONAVIRUS FAQ
—Coronavirus in the US: Map & cases
—What are the symptoms of COVID-19?
—How deadly is the new coronavirus?
—How long does coronavirus last on surfaces?
—Is there a cure for COVID-19?
—How does COVID-19 compare with seasonal flu?
—How does the coronavirus spread?
—Can people spread the coronavirus after they recover?
Conventional diagnostic tests for the novel coronavirus may give false-negative results about 30% of the time, meaning people with an active COVID-19 infection still test negative for the disease, according to news reports.
"Unfortunately, we have very little public data on the false-negative rate for these tests in clinical practice," Dr. Harlan M. Krumholz, a professor of medicine at Yale University and director of the Yale New Haven Hospital Center for Outcomes Research and Evaluation, wrote in an opinion piece in The New York Times. However, preliminary research from China suggests that the most common type of COVID-19 test, known as a reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR) test, may give false-negative results about 30% of the time.
The Chinese research has not yet been peer-reviewed, but anecdotally, Krumholz's colleagues have expressed concern that the false-negative rate may be even higher in the U.S., he wrote.
"A lot of my patients who have symptoms, who I clinically think have COVID-19, are testing negative," Dr. Alain Chaoui, head of Congenial Healthcare, a practice with 50,000 patients across five locations in Massachusetts, told The Boston Globe.
RT-PCR tests work by detecting bits of viral genetic material present in a patient's mucus, saliva and cells at the very back of their nasal cavity, where the nose meets the throat, Live Science previously reported. Doctors collect patient samples using a long, skinny swab and then apply chemicals to the sample to eliminate everything apart from the viral genetic material, called RNA. Enzymes added to the sample jump-start a chemical process that transcribes the RNA into DNA, which can then be processed in a machine and copied many times over.
With enough DNA copies on hand, scientists can then apply fluorescent tags to the sample that bind to specific bits of genetic material and glow once attached. The glow announces the presence of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.
Related: 10 deadly diseases that hopped across species
"The good news is that the tests appear to be highly specific: If your test comes back positive, it is almost certain you have the infection," Krumholz wrote. But RT-PCR tests might give false-negative results for a number of reasons, he added.
In one scenario, the initial swab sample may not always collect enough genetic material to provide an accurate test. This problem may arise more often in patients who do not show many symptoms at the time of their test, the Globe reported. In addition, the standard nasopharyngeal swab, wherein a long instrument is wriggled and rotated to the very back of the nasal cavity, can be both difficult for clinicians to perform and uncomfortable for patients to endure, Krumholz wrote.
Alternatively, false-negative results may result from how tests are processed in the laboratory or what specific chemicals are applied to each sample, Krumholz noted.
If false-negative results prove fairly common, what should people do if they receive one?
Chaoui told The Boston Globe that he is advising all his patients who test negative for the virus to assume they are infected, regardless, and quarantine themselves until they are symptom-free for at least 72 hours. Krumholz shared a similar sentiment in the Times. At UMass Memorial Medical Center in Worcester, epidemiologist Dr. Richard Ellison told the Globe that the hospital is now retesting patients who received a negative test but have symptoms of the novel coronavirus, in an attempt to cut down on false negatives.
"For now, we should assume that anyone could be carrying the virus," Krumholz wrote. "If you have had likely exposures and symptoms suggest Covid-19 infection, you probably have it — even if your test is negative."
That said, no diagnostic test provides accurate results 100% of the time, and the tests developed by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are highly sensitive to the coronavirus, Dr. Larry Madoff, medical director of the Bureau of Infectious Disease at the Massachusetts Department of Public Health, wrote in a statement, according to the Globe.
"No test detects every case and there is no current 'gold standard' to compare [the COVID-19 tests] to," he wrote. "Testing may be falsely negative if the test is obtained too early or too late compared to infection, or if the sample isn’t obtained or processed correctly."
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Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
by Eroo 4/4/2020, 00:33
Bogate eu države su me totalno razočarale. Izvoditi bilo kakve procjene na temelju
njihovog iskustva i trenutne situacije je totalni besmisao. Po prvi put im HR (pa i SLO)
može biti uzor kako se vlada ovakvim situacijama.
Na temelju dosadašnjih rezultata (u HR i još nekih uspješnih država probat ću prognozirati
rezultat u HR kroz tjedan dana : na datum 10.4 ! Pa evo:
-ukupan broj zaraženih 2120
-oporavljenih 200
-na respiratoru 100
-umrlih? 25 - 60 (ovo je najteže prognozirat zbog više razloga!)
Bilježim rezultat. Ako bude i približno točan moći će se izvršiti
prognoza za sljedećih 7 dana, kao i datum postupnog smirivanja,
odnosno stanja kojeg bi mogli nazvati "normalnim".
njihovog iskustva i trenutne situacije je totalni besmisao. Po prvi put im HR (pa i SLO)
može biti uzor kako se vlada ovakvim situacijama.
Na temelju dosadašnjih rezultata (u HR i još nekih uspješnih država probat ću prognozirati
rezultat u HR kroz tjedan dana : na datum 10.4 ! Pa evo:
-ukupan broj zaraženih 2120
-oporavljenih 200
-na respiratoru 100
-umrlih? 25 - 60 (ovo je najteže prognozirat zbog više razloga!)
Bilježim rezultat. Ako bude i približno točan moći će se izvršiti
prognoza za sljedećih 7 dana, kao i datum postupnog smirivanja,
odnosno stanja kojeg bi mogli nazvati "normalnim".
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Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
by michaellcmacha 4/4/2020, 00:36
a 20.04, a 30.04, a 10.05. i tako dalje do 10.06. stavi i 20.03 i 30.03....Eroo wrote:Bogate eu države su me totalno razočarale. Izvoditi bilo kakve procjene na temelju
njihovog iskustva i trenutne situacije je totalni besmisao. Po prvi put im HR (pa i SLO)
može biti uzor kako se vlada ovakvim situacijama.
Na temelju dosadašnjih rezultata (u HR i još nekih uspješnih država probat ću prognozirati
rezultat u HR kroz tjedan dana : na datum 10.4 ! Pa evo:
-ukupan broj zaraženih 2120
-oporavljenih 200
-na respiratoru 100
-umrlih? 25 - 60 (ovo je najteže prognozirat zbog više razloga!)
Bilježim rezultat. Ako bude i približno točan moći će se izvršiti
prognoza za sljedećih 7 dana, kao i datum postupnog smirivanja,
odnosno stanja kojeg bi mogli nazvati "normalnim".
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Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
by Guest 4/4/2020, 00:38
Ero...sto je sa 15.04.tim..rece ti da do tada viruz mora nestati,a sve se vratiti u normalu..???Eroo wrote:Bogate eu države su me totalno razočarale. Izvoditi bilo kakve procjene na temelju
njihovog iskustva i trenutne situacije je totalni besmisao. Po prvi put im HR (pa i SLO)
može biti uzor kako se vlada ovakvim situacijama.
Na temelju dosadašnjih rezultata (u HR i još nekih uspješnih država probat ću prognozirati
rezultat u HR kroz tjedan dana : na datum 10.4 ! Pa evo:
-ukupan broj zaraženih 2120
-oporavljenih 200
-na respiratoru 100
-umrlih? 25 - 60 (ovo je najteže prognozirat zbog više razloga!)
Bilježim rezultat. Ako bude i približno točan moći će se izvršiti
prognoza za sljedećih 7 dana, kao i datum postupnog smirivanja,
odnosno stanja kojeg bi mogli nazvati "normalnim".
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Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
by michaellcmacha 4/4/2020, 00:38
ja ih imam sve napisane... pick je 10.06 Capak se izletio a nije htio...michaellcmacha wrote:a 20.04, a 30.04, a 10.05. i tako dalje do 10.06. stavi i 20.03 i 30.03....Eroo wrote:Bogate eu države su me totalno razočarale. Izvoditi bilo kakve procjene na temelju
njihovog iskustva i trenutne situacije je totalni besmisao. Po prvi put im HR (pa i SLO)
može biti uzor kako se vlada ovakvim situacijama.
Na temelju dosadašnjih rezultata (u HR i još nekih uspješnih država probat ću prognozirati
rezultat u HR kroz tjedan dana : na datum 10.4 ! Pa evo:
-ukupan broj zaraženih 2120
-oporavljenih 200
-na respiratoru 100
-umrlih? 25 - 60 (ovo je najteže prognozirat zbog više razloga!)
Bilježim rezultat. Ako bude i približno točan moći će se izvršiti
prognoza za sljedećih 7 dana, kao i datum postupnog smirivanja,
odnosno stanja kojeg bi mogli nazvati "normalnim".
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Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
by Guest 4/4/2020, 00:39
tre wrote:15 u vrh glave no volio bi da si ti u pravu.Gnječ wrote:michaellcmacha wrote:psihološka granica 1 milijun... koja je slijedeće... 10 milijuna... kada... uskoro...Gnječ wrote:
New York City Has Nearly 1 In 4 Of All COVID-19 Cases in US | NBC Nightly News
Published on Apr 2, 2020
2 milijuna za mjesec dana.
mislio sam samo na sjevernu polutku sad će ljeto i toplije vrijeme možda uspori ali na južnoj polutci je sada jesen a zima je kad je na sjevernoj ljeto.
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Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
by T. 4/4/2020, 00:39
Di baš na dan državnosti?Eroo wrote:Bogate eu države su me totalno razočarale. Izvoditi bilo kakve procjene na temelju
njihovog iskustva i trenutne situacije je totalni besmisao. Po prvi put im HR (pa i SLO)
može biti uzor kako se vlada ovakvim situacijama.
Na temelju dosadašnjih rezultata (u HR i još nekih uspješnih država probat ću prognozirati
rezultat u HR kroz tjedan dana : na datum 10.4 ! Pa evo:
-ukupan broj zaraženih 2120
-oporavljenih 200
-na respiratoru 100
-umrlih? 25 - 60 (ovo je najteže prognozirat zbog više razloga!)
Bilježim rezultat. Ako bude i približno točan moći će se izvršiti
prognoza za sljedećih 7 dana, kao i datum postupnog smirivanja,
odnosno stanja kojeg bi mogli nazvati "normalnim".
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Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
by michaellcmacha 4/4/2020, 00:41
bojim se da ne gnječ... bojim se da će usa žestoko povući, a italija neće stati, plus francuska, plus španjolska plus gb, plus ukrajina... pfff... bit će brojevi ogromni...evo njemačka je u 6 dana sa 40 000 otišla na 90 000Gnječ wrote:tre wrote:15 u vrh glave no volio bi da si ti u pravu.Gnječ wrote:michaellcmacha wrote:psihološka granica 1 milijun... koja je slijedeće... 10 milijuna... kada... uskoro...Gnječ wrote:
New York City Has Nearly 1 In 4 Of All COVID-19 Cases in US | NBC Nightly News
Published on Apr 2, 2020
2 milijuna za mjesec dana.
mislio sam samo na sjevernu polutku sad će ljeto i toplije vrijeme možda uspori ali na južnoj polutci je sada jesen a zima je kad je na sjevernoj ljeto.
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Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
by michaellcmacha 4/4/2020, 00:42
njemci još noćas bilježe preko 100 000
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Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
by michaellcmacha 4/4/2020, 00:43
on voli zakuhat pa onda sjest onkraj...T. wrote:Di baš na dan državnosti?Eroo wrote:Bogate eu države su me totalno razočarale. Izvoditi bilo kakve procjene na temelju
njihovog iskustva i trenutne situacije je totalni besmisao. Po prvi put im HR (pa i SLO)
može biti uzor kako se vlada ovakvim situacijama.
Na temelju dosadašnjih rezultata (u HR i još nekih uspješnih država probat ću prognozirati
rezultat u HR kroz tjedan dana : na datum 10.4 ! Pa evo:
-ukupan broj zaraženih 2120
-oporavljenih 200
-na respiratoru 100
-umrlih? 25 - 60 (ovo je najteže prognozirat zbog više razloga!)
Bilježim rezultat. Ako bude i približno točan moći će se izvršiti
prognoza za sljedećih 7 dana, kao i datum postupnog smirivanja,
odnosno stanja kojeg bi mogli nazvati "normalnim".
michaellcmacha- Posts : 21325
2015-08-08
Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
by RayMabus 4/4/2020, 00:44
Njemačka.michaellcmacha wrote:njemci još noćas bilježe preko 100 000
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Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
by michaellcmacha 4/4/2020, 00:46
talijani su 06.04 u 17,00 sati na 20 000 umrlih...Legendovich wrote:https://www.trackcorona.live/
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Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
by Guest 4/4/2020, 00:46
ukupno 95000 vise nego neki dan kad je bilo na 1 miljun..s pocetka su nas grozili sitni brojevi..sad guamo desetke tisca kao da su pitka voda..
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Re: Ravna crta?Vidjet ćemo
by Guest 4/4/2020, 00:47
tek sad brojke pocinju laufati..michaellcmacha wrote:talijani su 06.04 u 17,00 sati na 20 000 umrlih...Legendovich wrote:https://www.trackcorona.live/
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