Kaos i sukobi u Venezueli, Trump priznao oporbu kao legitimnu, Erdogan pružio puno podršku Madurou

on je Macronov i Junkerov

AssadNaPodmornici wrote:Socijalističke ideje se moraju izbijati ako treba i bombama. Zato pozivan da Trump pošalje nosač aviona u RH, i svrgne nacional socijalističku ekonomiju u RH i postavi svoga namjesnika koji će uvesti neoliberalni kapitalizam

Pa americki namjesnici su vam vec postavljeni ...

Bitna je poslusnost a za HRV ekonomiju Ameriku zaboli kurac.

Samo maloumni imbecil poput tebe moze vjerovati da Amerikanci salju nosace i zbacuju vlade i postavljaju svoje namjesnike da bi nekome "popravili ekonomiju".

Zasto me ne iznenadjuje sluganski i pusikarajanski mentalni sklop takozvanih hrvatskih ultradesnicara i toboznjih velikih nacionalista.

AssadNaPodmornici wrote:on je Macronov i Junkerov

A ciji su MAcron i Junker?

Hajde gluposti lupas po obicaju.

Ringo10 wrote:

RayMabus wrote:

AssadNaPodmornici wrote:Udri Donalde.
Trebalo bi srušiti socijalističku represiju u Venezueli, i proglasiti non-fly zonu. Ovdje se prvi put zalažem za intervenciju USA

Nema potrebe za vojnom intervencijom, stanje u državi je loše , oporba ima većinu u parlamentu a Maduro je svakim danom sve više i više nepopularniji međ narodom

Uopće nema potrebne da Amerika vojno tu intervenira

Aha, tako Amerika i Britanija zamisljaju medjunarodne odnose.

Cijeli svijet da bude njihova privatna gubernija u kojoj ce oni postavljat gubernatore po svome nahodjenju. 

Jebes izbore, samo bacanje para. Americki nacisti ti postave marionetu koju oni hoce i to je to.

Pa to je tako , ...s druge strane vojska i policija zna da ako Maduro ode da su oni slijedeći pa onda guše oporbu i tako to i onda oporba lagano iseli ( isto ko kod nas na Balkanu šta masovno sele u Njemačku a u biti sele iz države i vlast nema neprijatelja ) i onda na kraju ostaju samo ovi koji podržavaju Madura i žive sretno i zadovoljno do kraja života ko u bajci

Princip je isti sve su ostalo nijanse

Ringo10 wrote:

AssadNaPodmornici wrote:Socijalističke ideje se moraju izbijati ako treba i bombama. Zato pozivan da Trump pošalje nosač aviona u RH, i svrgne nacional socijalističku ekonomiju u RH i postavi svoga namjesnika koji će uvesti neoliberalni kapitalizam

Pa americki namjesnici su vam vec postavljeni ...

Bitna je poslusnost a za HRV ekonomiju Ameriku zaboli kurac.

Samo maloumni imbecil poput tebe moze vjerovati da Amerikanci salju nosace i zbacuju vlade i postavljaju svoje namjesnike da bi nekome "popravili ekonomiju".

Zasto me ne iznenadjuje sluganski i pusikarajanski mentalni sklop takozvanih hrvatskih ultradesnicara i toboznjih velikih nacionalista.

preseli se iz kapitalističek Australije u socijalističku bosnu, hrvatsku ili venezeulu kada imaš muda

Market Ponders The End Of Venezuela's Failed Socialist Project
[url=safari-reader://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/]Kenneth Rapoza[/url]


This story ran before President Trump declared the U.S. will not recognize Nicolas Maduro as president. An updated version follows.
Another day, another protest in Venezuela.
January 23 is a symbolic day in Venezuela. It marks the ouster of Marcos Perez Jimenez, Venezuela’s last dictator before the emergence of democracy in 1958. To celebrate, the opposition is getting its mojo back and throwing a protest against the new dictatorship of Nicolas Maduro and the ruling Socialists United Party. And now Wall Street is increasingly pondering the future of the defaulted bonds of the country’s once-proud oil giant, PdVSA.
PdVSA is not a household name here, nor is Nicolas Maduro, the country’s president. But PdVSA is the owner of Citgo, a brand every American knows. Citgo, like the country that owns it, is being kept afloat by Russian and Chinese money, and maybe a few rolls of duct tape.



Maduro was sworn in last week to very little fanfare. Other than Cuba, Nicaragua, and Bolivia, no country in the Americas recognizes his presidency.
Venezuela is a dictatorship now. Investors were warned this day would come. Now investors who lost millions on Venezuelan bonds are hoping popular uprisings will lead to regime change in Caracas.
Every Venezuelan government bond is in default except for the PdVSA 2020s. [url=https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fkenrapoza%2F2019%2F01%2F23%2Fmarket-ponders-the-end-of-venezuelas-failed-socialist-project%2F&text=The defaulted bonds are being bought in the secondary market at discounts of around 80% as an option on regime change.]The defaulted bonds are being bought in the secondary market at discounts of around 80% as an option on regime change.[/url] It’s a relatively illiquid market. Investors who bet Maduro would have been gone by 2017 are still holding those bonds. Selling them now just locks in a loss. Some funds are suing Venezuela.
“Those bonds double in value if Maduro goes,” says Jan Dehn, head of research at the Ashmore Group, and a PdVSA investor. “He might go because the election was illegitimate.”
The Organization of American States recognizes Juan Guaido, president of the Venezuelan National Assembly, as the top democratically elected leader of the country. Vice President Mike Pence said yesterday that Maduro was a "dictator." And later in the day today, President Trump chimed in to make it uber-official: Washington does not recognize the presidency of Maduro.
Water Cooler Chatter On Venezuela



The combination of external pressures and the poor now losing hope of a better life under Maduro has Venezuela’s government on the brink of collapse. Now that President Trump says he recognizes Guaido as president and not Maduro, it could close off future China funds. China is much more interested in placating Washington than gaining access to Venezuelan oil. They already have an oil-for-loans deal and can get further access another time.
[url=https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fkenrapoza%2F2019%2F01%2F23%2Fmarket-ponders-the-end-of-venezuelas-failed-socialist-project%2F&text=Cashflow stress is as problematic as today%27s protests.]Cash-flow stress is as problematic as today’s massive protests.[/url] The government is running low on funds and is unlikely to be able to count on Moscow and Beijing to keep throwing money into a firepit. The central bank’s reserves are likely to be under $10 billion, though the bank is no longer trying to prop up the currency, the bolivar, and the funds certainly are not being used to pay bonds in arrears.
“This has been our main argument supportive for regime change. You cannot ignore the increasing shift on cash-flow management after having exhausted any alternative sources of financing,” says Siobhan Morden, head of Latin America fixed income for Nomura Securities in New York. Plus, Venezuela is “facing a collapse in oil production as well as higher legal liabilities (from defaulted bondholders).”
[url=https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fkenrapoza%2F2019%2F01%2F23%2Fmarket-ponders-the-end-of-venezuelas-failed-socialist-project%2F&text=The %E2%80%9Cregime change trade%E2%80%9D has PdVSA bond prices rising this week.]The “regime change trade” has PdVSA bond prices rising this week.[/url] The debate now shifts to what is the maximum upside on those bonds. Illiquidity, one-sided flows and underweight positions could all push bond prices higher, Morden says. There is potential resistance towards $30 on the PdVSA 2020 bond price because everyone expects a difficult debt restructuring once the smoke clears. The Post-Maduro clean up will look an awful lot like the post-Cristina Kirchner clean up in Argentina, now the recipient of the largest IMF package in the Fund's history.


“The situation in Venezuela is still very volatile, and very complex,” says Alejandro Arreaza, an emerging markets research analyst with Barclays Capital in New York.  “The current remobilization of the opposition base could vanish as quickly as it emerged. In such a fragile situation, the winner may be the side that makes fewer mistakes, not the one that plays more aggressively.”

Opposition leaders seem conscious of that, and despite internal differences, have developed a more coherent strategy. Suffice it to say, that strategy is to agree that the National Assembly gets its voice back (Maduro silenced it two years ago) and that Maduro has to go.
The Maduro administration may have underestimated the severity of the crisis in poor neighborhoods now almost completely dependent on the government. They are the people protesting on Wednesday. Those people are the party’s base. But with many of them having friends who have fled the country’s Great Depression on foot into Colombia and Brazil, ignoring the social and economic disasters on the ground is impossible. Last year, Maduro admitted the policies of PSUV were a failure. Instead, he has thrown money at the situation by subsidizing the poor, subsidies that will surely be taken away once Maduro and PSUV are out of power.
Maduro has many of his supporters convinced that it is external forces at work against Venezuela, sticking to his party’s narrative that colonial masters are waging economic warfare, preparing for future pillage of the country.
The opposition has to get through to these people. If they fail, Maduro holds on. If Maduro holds on, Venezuela becomes more isolated and equally poor (except for the government).


A negotiated solution is still a possibility between PSUV and the opposition parties, but it would likely need to be preceded by an exit of Maduro, given his low credibility, loss of legitimacy and lack of viability to protect the legacy of the late Hugo Chavez. The military and other PSUV party leaders could cut Maduro loose if they feel they can survive to fight another day.
Under Chavez, PSUV enjoyed high levels of popularity thanks to money flowing in from oil receipts. The economy was strong so the non-ideologically aligned could ignore Chavez's anti-Yankee rhetoric. But since oil peaked at around $180 a barrel in June 2008, PdVSA has lost its cache as a government ATM machine. PSUV went back to being revolutionaries, not much different in thought than the FARC of Colombia.


PdVSA is in disarray, with many knowledge workers leaving the country. Their oil production is in decline. Once PSUV is out of power, oil-rich Venezuela will be propped up on life support provided by the International Monetary Fund. Venezuelans will be able to hear Chavez moaning in his grave when that day comes.
Hyperinflation and a useless currency have only exacerbated Venezuela’s economic freefall.
Venezuela’s economy is expected to contract more than previously expected this year. It declined by 5% in 2018, making it the worst-performing economy in the world, based on IMF data.

Hektorović wrote:

Erdogan nam je ovdje napravio ogromnu uslugu , anatomija problema je interes protiv interesa a on se sukobio ovdje sa Amerikom ( Ne s Trumpom , nego Amerikom jer je ovo politika i oporbe u SAD ) i ovo je sad situacija gdje ja navijam za obje strane pojednako a šta oštriji sukob to bolje za interese Hrvatske

AssadNaPodmornici wrote:

Ringo10 wrote:

AssadNaPodmornici wrote:Socijalističke ideje se moraju izbijati ako treba i bombama. Zato pozivan da Trump pošalje nosač aviona u RH, i svrgne nacional socijalističku ekonomiju u RH i postavi svoga namjesnika koji će uvesti neoliberalni kapitalizam

Pa americki namjesnici su vam vec postavljeni ...

Bitna je poslusnost a za HRV ekonomiju Ameriku zaboli kurac.

Samo maloumni imbecil poput tebe moze vjerovati da Amerikanci salju nosace i zbacuju vlade i postavljaju svoje namjesnike da bi nekome "popravili ekonomiju".

Zasto me ne iznenadjuje sluganski i pusikarajanski mentalni sklop takozvanih hrvatskih ultradesnicara i toboznjih velikih nacionalista.

preseli se iz kapitalističek Australije u socijalističku bosnu, hrvatsku ili venezeulu kada imaš muda

Bla, bla bla Uvijek isto sranje ko papagaj. 

Kakve veze to ima sa destabilizacijom Venecuele, to samo tvoj suplji mozak zna.

Ali ne, najbolje da iselim u neku od LAtinoamerickih "demokracija" u kojima Amerika upravlja svojim marionetama. Recimo Artgentinu ili Brazil, ili mozda Peru. Tamo mora da je raj zemaljski.

Vidi ovo, tu hnema Madura ni socijalista i na tronu sjedi americki namjesnik i opet ko u Venecueli

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-argentina-politics/argentina-president-says-poverty-to-rise-as-economy-slumps-idUSKBN1L223R


Ili ovo, kako ovo nema Madura i socijalista a USA namjesnici sjede na pozicijama vec skoro 200 godina

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3BRTlHFpBU

Ili ovo, cileansko ekonomsko cudo 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga_LpN8bh-g

Ili generalno za LAtinsku Ameriku. Naravno, gdje god nema MAdura i gdjw god su postavljene USA marionete sve cvjeta i buja u blagostanju

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-arPflSjbo


Glup si frajeru. Bijeda LAtinske Amerike je duboka i rezultat prije svega Monroove Doktrine koja je sinonim za divljacku pljacku i eksploataciju Lat. Amerike a sve praceno ili kaosom destabilizacije ili surovim diktaturama za americki interes.

Hektorović wrote:Market Ponders The End Of Venezuela's Failed Socialist Project
[url=safari-reader://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/]Kenneth Rapoza[/url]

DA, kad sruse MAdura ima sve da im procvjeta. Ko u Brazili ili Argentini na primjer.

Hektorović wrote:

Macron je već pozvao EU članice da priznaju ovog novog pa je Španjolska rekla da prvo neka se svi usuglase pa onda da ga službeno priznaju dakle to je već gotova stvar

https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/14244

Mi ćemo za ovog novog baš zato jer je Erdogan za Madura , EU vs Erdogan

Francuska i Njemačka su ga već priznale a Turska priznaje Madura

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Venezuelan_presidential_crisis

Fino , novi vanjskopolitički razdor između EU i Turske

EU podržala Guaida

https://www.blic.rs/vesti/svet/tusk-za-razliku-od-madura-guaido-ima-demokratski-mandat/s1zfj36

Sad će dodatne sankcije , zapljena imovine pošto nije Maduro ovaj nego ovaj drugi kojeg oni smatraju predsjednikom , Amerika je već poručila Maduru da on nema legitimiget protjerivati američke diplomate iz Venezuele

Fino , lipo se situacija razvija , to je moralo puknit prije ili poslije

Hektorović wrote:

AssadNaPodmornici wrote:Socijalističke ideje se moraju izbijati ako treba i bombama. Zato pozivan da Trump pošalje nosač aviona u RH, i svrgne nacional socijalističku ekonomiju u RH i postavi svoga namjesnika koji će uvesti neoliberalni kapitalizam

Već imamo

imamo namjesnika al nije američki i ne uvodi kapitalizam

Jebo izbore i sve s time u vezi. 

Amerika moze naci bilo kakvu budalu bilo gdje i proglasiti ga za Predsjednika.

Ovo bi moglo zavrsiti gradjanskim ratom u Venecueli ali sotonistickoj imperiji to odgovara.

LAtinsku Ameriku od americkog jarma moze osloboditi samo nacionalno-oslobodilacka REVOLUCIJA koja bi silom zbrisala sve strukture koje sluze americkim interesima, od krupnog biznisa pa do medija.

Ali same mase nisu ni dovoljno svjesne ni spremne na tako nesto. Brazil je primjer.

Ali i Basar Assad je pokazao i dokazao da se sotonistima moguce suprotstaviti.

Mijesanje u unutarnje stvari druge zemlje.

epikur37 wrote:Mijesanje u unutarnje stvari druge zemlje.

malo je cudno da, valjda narod izabire a ne strane sile, no dobro..