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Post by mativka Mon 8 Oct - 9:57

A ne sjećam se toga.
Al faca je, što je-je.

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Post by aben Mon 8 Oct - 10:16

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kic wrote:ako nijedno rjesenje nije konacno i optimalno, zasto se onda zalagati za nesto..

Da bismo došli do plauzibilnih riješenja.

Znanost odnosno filozofija znanosti je odavno (Karl Popper) svjesna kako nije u stanju ponuditi riješenja u vidu nepromjenjvih, konačnih teorija i apsolutnih istina koje bi one po logici stvari trebale producirati.
Paradigma kaže da je svaka znanstvena teorija promjenjiva odnosno oboriva i da istine koja svaka producira nisu apsolutne.
Dapače, da čak neka teorija uspije dokučiti apsolutne istine znanstvenog tipa nema načina da bi ih kao takve mi mogli potvrditi. Ako neka teorija nije promjenjiva i oboriva, to znači da nije niti znanstvena teorija. Kriterij promjenjivosti i oborivosti je onaj temeljni koji neku znanstvenu teoriju razlikuje od običnog uvjerenja, mišljenja, učenja, stava i koju ju uz neke druge kriterije čini (potencijalno) znanstvenom.
Znanost barata samo promjenjivim i oborivim spoznajama koje vrijede u određenom kontekstu i ne pridaje im apsolutnu točnost.
Naravno, ako znanstvena teorija po definiciji mora biti promjenjiva i oboriva, to ne znači da će svaka biti nužno promjenjena i posebno da će biti oborena, prije ili kasnije.
U praksi se najčešće događa da svaka o određenom kontekstu nudi odgovore sukladne realnom stanju, ali i da bude donekle promjenjena novim spoznajama, ali ne nužno i oborena. Tako Einstein nije potpuno oborio Newtona nego je njegova riješenja samo nadopunio u jednom dijelu odnosno određenom kontekstu.
To vrijedi i za svaki drugi nauk, učenje, mišljenje, uvjerenje, stav. Nema ga koji ne može biti promjenjen barem u smislu nadopune i prevrednovanja u novonastalom kontekstu.
I zato ne postoje tzv. konačna riješenja u smislu spoznaje činjenica odnosno istine, dapače, ne mogu niti postojati.
Optimalnost je već malo drugačiji kriterij i opet, prije svega ovisi o kontekstu vremena, okolnosti, dosadašnje razine spoznaja i znanja itd. i taj kriterij se naravno može postići, makar je to zapravo very tricky business.

science, a philosophy's bitch

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Post by aben Mon 8 Oct - 10:22

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a nije nego, šejker se raspisao i razmišljam o tome, a ti, ti :^^
Razmišljam o Petersonu.
Što ga je oblikovalo, kakav mu je privatan život..

imo je vrlo slično djetinjstvo momu, sex, drugs, and roken roll
to mu je dedalos uze ko razlog zoč un ne more govoriti drugima kako da živu; zapravo ga moro napadati jer peterson prije svega jest poznata ličnost zbog protivljenja društvenom inženjeringu, a to je nešto ča scientisti po defoltu moraju podržavati

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Post by kic Mon 8 Oct - 10:45


dedalos nema pojma, bas zbog tih iskustava zna sve..

iako ne kuzim ove zadnje depresije no.. tesko je njega usporediti s nekim
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Post by aben Mon 8 Oct - 11:15

kic wrote:
dedalos nema pojma, bas zbog tih iskustava zna sve..

iako ne kuzim ove zadnje depresije no.. tesko je njega usporediti s nekim


čekoj, čije zanje depresije?

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Post by mativka Mon 8 Oct - 11:28

I ja sam negdje pročitala da se bori s depresijom. Hmm, ne sjećam se gdje inače bih stavila link.
To je jedan od razloga zbog kojeg sam pitala jel oženjen.

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Post by kic Mon 8 Oct - 11:29


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kic wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson#Personal_life

Since late 2016, Peterson has been on a strict diet consisting only of meat and some vegetables, to control severe depression and an auto-immune disorder, including psoriasis and uveitis.[17][118]
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Post by mativka Mon 8 Oct - 11:35

Sad bi moja mater rekla da mu je to od sexa, droge i rocken rolla :)

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Post by aben Mon 8 Oct - 11:42

mativka wrote:I ja sam negdje pročitala da se bori s depresijom. Hmm, ne sjećam se gdje inače bih stavila link.
To je jedan od razloga zbog kojeg sam pitala jel oženjen.

znun da se je bori, ali kic je reko u zadnje vrime...?

uglovnomu,

hći mu se raspadala, artritis, depresija, i unda je našla isti odgovor i rješenje ko i jo:))


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Post by aben Mon 8 Oct - 11:43

kic wrote:
njegove

kic wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson#Personal_life

Since late 2016, Peterson has been on a strict diet consisting only of meat and some vegetables, to control severe depression and an auto-immune disorder, including psoriasis and uveitis.[17][118]

a, drukčije doživljovomo zanje vrime, ti i jo.

uglovnomu, gluten did it

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Post by aben Mon 8 Oct - 11:46

mativka wrote:Sad bi moja mater rekla da mu je to od sexa, droge i rocken rolla :)

na, znoš, možda i je,
možda nas gluten ne bi zajebovo da nismo načeli organizam raznin otrovima. ali to nika ne znoš...



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Post by aben Mon 8 Oct - 11:58

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socijalizam.


ali, ni njegovba rješenja nisu dobra, narkomani ne će čistiti ulice, bez obzira.

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Post by mativka Mon 8 Oct - 12:13

Upravo ovo pregledala. A-u!!! Genetski su skloni depresiji. Kćer od malena na antidepresivima.
Dobar je moj konverter ;)

https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/693mni/jordan_peterson_talks_about_his_personal/

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Post by kic Mon 8 Oct - 12:21

aben wrote:
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njegove

kic wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson#Personal_life

Since late 2016, Peterson has been on a strict diet consisting only of meat and some vegetables, to control severe depression and an auto-immune disorder, including psoriasis and uveitis.[17][118]

a, drukčije doživljovomo zanje vrime, ti i jo.

uglovnomu, gluten did it

nisam toliko bio upucen u tu pricu oko kceri..

koje meso i koje povrce? koji omjer?

ti mislis zadnje vrijeme -zadnjih par mjeseci..
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Post by aben Mon 8 Oct - 12:29

mativka wrote:Upravo ovo pregledala. A-u!!! Genetski su skloni depresiji. Kćer od malena na antidepresivima.
Dobar je moj konverter ;)

https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/693mni/jordan_peterson_talks_about_his_personal/


u svakon slučaju je bolje osićati se bolje jer se neko osićo loše, nego se osićati loše jer se neko osićo bolje, ko socijalisti

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Post by mativka Mon 8 Oct - 12:30

aben wrote:
hći mu se raspadala, artritis, depresija, i unda je našla isti odgovor i rješenje ko i jo:))
Meso i povrće?


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Post by aben Mon 8 Oct - 12:33

kic wrote:
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kic wrote:
njegove

kic wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson#Personal_life

Since late 2016, Peterson has been on a strict diet consisting only of meat and some vegetables, to control severe depression and an auto-immune disorder, including psoriasis and uveitis.[17][118]

a, drukčije doživljovomo zanje vrime, ti i jo.

uglovnomu, gluten did it

nisam toliko bio upucen u tu pricu oko kceri..

koje meso i koje povrce? koji omjer?

ti mislis zadnje vrijeme -zadnjih par mjeseci..

ne zun ni jo točno,
ali dok sun se bavi svojon bolešću, vidi sun kako se skoro sva autoimuna stanja moru povezati sa glutenon. tako da ni poanta u omjeru mesa i povrća, mislin, nego u šenici..

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Post by mativka Mon 8 Oct - 12:34

aben wrote:
mativka wrote:Upravo ovo pregledala. A-u!!! Genetski su skloni depresiji. Kćer od malena na antidepresivima.
Dobar je moj konverter ;)

https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/693mni/jordan_peterson_talks_about_his_personal/


u svakon slučaju je bolje osićati se bolje jer se neko osićo loše, nego se osićati loše jer se neko osićo bolje, ko socijalisti
Jesi li pregledao link?
Kći je dobila ima po Gorbačovu :)

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Post by aben Mon 8 Oct - 12:34

mativka wrote:
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hći mu se raspadala, artritis, depresija, i unda je našla isti odgovor i rješenje ko i jo:))
Meso i povrće?


konkretno, sve osin glutena

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