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Kissinger: Rusiju moramo približiti Americi kako bi izolirali Kinu
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[size=45]Henry Kissinger Pushed Trump to Work With Russia to Box In China[/size]
ANDREW DESIDERIO
SAM STEIN
BETHANY ALLEN-EBRAHIMIAN
Henry Kissinger suggested to President Donald Trump that the United States should work with Russia to contain a rising China.
The former secretary of state—who famously engineered the tactic of establishing diplomatic relations with China in order to isolate the Soviet Union—pitched almost the inverse of that idea to Trump during a series of private meetings during the presidential transition, five people familiar with the matter told The Daily Beast. The potential strategy would use closer relations with Russia, along with other countries in the region, to box in China’s growing power and influence.
Kissinger also pitched the idea to Jared Kushner, the top White House adviser whose portfolio includes foreign-policy matters, one of the sources briefed on the discussions said.
Inside the administration, the proposal has found receptive ears, with some of Trump’s top advisers—in addition to officials in the State Department, Pentagon, and the National Security Council—also floating a strategy of using closer relations with Moscow to contain Beijing, according to White House and Capitol Hill insiders. But the idea has been complicated by the president’s deference to Russian President Vladimir Putin, which has caused countless domestic political headaches.
Both the White House and the National Security Council declined to comment. Kissinger's office did not return a request for comment.
The mere fact that Kissinger was given an audience to make his pitch—he’s met with Trump at least three times since the 2016 campaign—is a testament to his tremendous staying power in top political circles, despite a controversial foreign policy track record that includes numerous accusations of war crimes. It also is a reflection of how dramatically geopolitical relations have changed during the course of his lifetime.
Kissinger isn’t viewed as a China hawk. It is well known in certain circles that he has a direct line to Chinese President Xi Jinping. And the discussions he had with Trump appear, at least superficially, to run counter to his public pronouncements since 2017 that China’s signature Belt and Road Initiative—Xi’s vision for a China-centric world based on infrastructure and trade deals, and the object of growing Western alarm—would have a positive effect on Asia.
Kissinger is no Russophobe, either. He has met with Putin 17 times over the years. And Kissinger has repeatedly advocated for a better working relationship between Washington and Moscow. Of last week’s summit in Helsinki between Trump and Putin, Kissinger said, “It was a meeting that had to take place. I have advocated it for several years.” He has also expresseddoubt about the purpose of Russian interference in the election, and promoted a better balance of power among the world’s largest influencers.
His overall views seem to have made their way into explanations for Trump’s affinity for Putin. One former Trump administration official referred to Trump’s posture toward Putin during the Helsinki summit earlier this month as “the reverse of the Nixon-China play.”
“Russia and China are cozying up to each other and it’s a lethal combination if they’re together,” said the former official, who was familiar with the strategizing behind the summit.
[size=45]Henry Kissinger Pushed Trump to Work With Russia to Box In China[/size]
The former secretary of state pushed one president to use China to isolate the Soviet Union. These days, he’s counseling almost the reverse—and officials are listening.
ASAWIN SUEBSAENGANDREW DESIDERIO
SAM STEIN
BETHANY ALLEN-EBRAHIMIAN
07.25.18 9:21 PM ET
Henry Kissinger suggested to President Donald Trump that the United States should work with Russia to contain a rising China.
The former secretary of state—who famously engineered the tactic of establishing diplomatic relations with China in order to isolate the Soviet Union—pitched almost the inverse of that idea to Trump during a series of private meetings during the presidential transition, five people familiar with the matter told The Daily Beast. The potential strategy would use closer relations with Russia, along with other countries in the region, to box in China’s growing power and influence.
Kissinger also pitched the idea to Jared Kushner, the top White House adviser whose portfolio includes foreign-policy matters, one of the sources briefed on the discussions said.
Inside the administration, the proposal has found receptive ears, with some of Trump’s top advisers—in addition to officials in the State Department, Pentagon, and the National Security Council—also floating a strategy of using closer relations with Moscow to contain Beijing, according to White House and Capitol Hill insiders. But the idea has been complicated by the president’s deference to Russian President Vladimir Putin, which has caused countless domestic political headaches.
Both the White House and the National Security Council declined to comment. Kissinger's office did not return a request for comment.
The mere fact that Kissinger was given an audience to make his pitch—he’s met with Trump at least three times since the 2016 campaign—is a testament to his tremendous staying power in top political circles, despite a controversial foreign policy track record that includes numerous accusations of war crimes. It also is a reflection of how dramatically geopolitical relations have changed during the course of his lifetime.
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Kissinger is no Russophobe, either. He has met with Putin 17 times over the years. And Kissinger has repeatedly advocated for a better working relationship between Washington and Moscow. Of last week’s summit in Helsinki between Trump and Putin, Kissinger said, “It was a meeting that had to take place. I have advocated it for several years.” He has also expresseddoubt about the purpose of Russian interference in the election, and promoted a better balance of power among the world’s largest influencers.
His overall views seem to have made their way into explanations for Trump’s affinity for Putin. One former Trump administration official referred to Trump’s posture toward Putin during the Helsinki summit earlier this month as “the reverse of the Nixon-China play.”
“Russia and China are cozying up to each other and it’s a lethal combination if they’re together,” said the former official, who was familiar with the strategizing behind the summit.
Hektorović- Posts : 26373
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stari kurvin sin kuži stvari
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'naci, Albanci niz potok...
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epikur37- Posts : 45339
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kasno im je
plus putko i xiping su kucni prijatelji :)
ostaje im i dalje samo pokusavat jer i russija i kina dobro ciste petokolonase,
znaju ljudi posao
plus putko i xiping su kucni prijatelji :)
ostaje im i dalje samo pokusavat jer i russija i kina dobro ciste petokolonase,
znaju ljudi posao
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Leviathan2 wrote:kasno im je
plus putko i xiping su kucni prijatelji :)
ostaje im i dalje samo pokusavat jer i russija i kina dobro ciste petokolonase,
znaju ljudi posao
A i to što veliš. Rusija se nudila Zapadu dovoljno i previše. Angloameričke bitange su uvijek uzvraćale zavjerom, spletkom i nožem.
I opet bi.
Bolje je Rusiji s Kinom utvrditi Heartland i odjebati ionako načeti Rimland.
epikur37- Posts : 45339
2015-08-06
Re: Kissinger: Rusiju moramo približiti Americi kako bi izolirali Kinu
Srbi su najebali! Rusija će priznati Kosovo.
haha
haha
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2014-04-17
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crvenkasti wrote:Srbi su najebali! Rusija će priznati Kosovo.
haha
Srbalji moraju da gube kako god okrenes...
:D
epikur37- Posts : 45339
2015-08-06
Re: Kissinger: Rusiju moramo približiti Americi kako bi izolirali Kinu
pa i jesu utvrdili, i jos dogovoriliepikur37 wrote:Leviathan2 wrote:kasno im je
plus putko i xiping su kucni prijatelji :)
ostaje im i dalje samo pokusavat jer i russija i kina dobro ciste petokolonase,
znaju ljudi posao
A i to što veliš. Rusija se nudila Zapadu dovoljno i previše. Angloameričke bitange su uvijek uzvraćale zavjerom, spletkom i nožem.
I opet bi.
Bolje je Rusiji s Kinom utvrditi Heartland i odjebati ionako načeti Rimland.
rusija na sebe privlaci bjes i zavjere a kinezi igraju ekonomijom i onda pomazu rusiji, naravno rusi njima prodaju i tehnologije o kojima kinezi mogu sanjati jer su rusi u vojnoj tehnologiji daleko ispred kine, kinezi imaju masu a rusi pamet i oni su toga svjesni,
recimo, mogu pisat sto hoce o rusiji, al ne zivi se lose tamo, usprkos predrasudama recimo moje zenke su ostale sokirane rusijom, one su mislile da ce doci tamo u da ce vidjet hrpu prosjaka, koliko god sam ih ja uvjeravao da nije tako, tek sok terapija ih je uvjerila
rusi abnormalno grabe naprijed i mislim da naveliko lazu kad daju statistike,
po jebenim selendrama vidis ogroman obim gradnje, internet im je brzi i dostupniji a naravno i jeftiniji nego na zapadu, urednost
vidis da se o svemu vodi briga
i veliim, svakom godinom su sve bolji i mogu jos vise
ja rjetko grijesim u procjenama i procjenjujem za 20 godina da ce rusija biti jedna od najpozeljnijih zemalja za migrirat, i jedna od vodecih zemalja u tehnologijama i nauci
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Re: Kissinger: Rusiju moramo približiti Americi kako bi izolirali Kinu
epikur37 wrote:
A i to što veliš. Rusija se nudila Zapadu dovoljno i previše. Angloameričke bitange su uvijek uzvraćale zavjerom, spletkom i nožem.
I opet bi.
Bolje je Rusiji s Kinom utvrditi Heartland i odjebati ionako načeti Rimland.
Rusija je Heartland, no Kina definitivno gleda preuzeti Rimland, zadnje 4 godine provode ogroman projekt izgradnje mornarice... Štancaju razarače od 8000-12000 tona s naprednim radarima i pune raketama...
Hektorović- Posts : 26373
2018-04-10
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Do 2022 Kina će imati 26 razarača mlađih od 10 godina...
Hektorović- Posts : 26373
2018-04-10
Re: Kissinger: Rusiju moramo približiti Americi kako bi izolirali Kinu
S tim tempom do sredine 2030tih postat će dominantna sila u Pacifiku.
Hektorović- Posts : 26373
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Pižon doktrinarni liberal :D
Hektorović- Posts : 26373
2018-04-10
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Dobro je, Rusi su unili možda i najveći razdor unutar američke politike ikad. Dok se budale komešaju kak i šta, Rusi, Iranci i Kinezi mogu na miru da kreiraju principe novog političkog poretka.
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AlfaOmega- Posts : 10398
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Može Henry koješta smišljati, pitanje je hoće li se Rusi i Kinezi dati navući na grablje na koje su već njekoliko puta stali.
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AlfaOmega wrote:Dobro je, Rusi su unili možda i najveći razdor unutar američke politike ikad. Dok se budale komešaju kak i šta, Rusi, Iranci i Kinezi mogu na miru da kreiraju principe novog političkog poretka.
Općenito Obama je zakuhao sa Rujama... Iako su već onda počeli pričati o pivotu u Aziju, očito su se zaglibili u europu, a Kina dobila 10 godina bez pretjeranog pritiska...
Već su 2014 pametniji analisti zaključili kako čitava situacija pogoduje Kini.
Hektorović- Posts : 26373
2018-04-10
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Čini se kako će Američki establishment sve više eskalirati sa Rusijom u sljedećih par godina...
A onda sredinom 2020tih skužiti kako je Kina dominantna na zapadu pacifika...
A onda sredinom 2020tih skužiti kako je Kina dominantna na zapadu pacifika...
Hektorović- Posts : 26373
2018-04-10
Re: Kissinger: Rusiju moramo približiti Americi kako bi izolirali Kinu
I finacirali i na sve nacine pomagali glavosijeke na Kavkazu dok su istovremeno glumatali prijateljstvo.epikur37 wrote:Leviathan2 wrote:kasno im je
plus putko i xiping su kucni prijatelji :)
ostaje im i dalje samo pokusavat jer i russija i kina dobro ciste petokolonase,
znaju ljudi posao
A i to što veliš. Rusija se nudila Zapadu dovoljno i previše. Angloameričke bitange su uvijek uzvraćale zavjerom, spletkom i nožem.
I opet bi.
Bolje je Rusiji s Kinom utvrditi Heartland i odjebati ionako načeti Rimland.
Rusi njima NIKADA VISE ne smiju vjerovati bilo sta.
Ringo10- Posts : 21667
2015-09-24
Re: Kissinger: Rusiju moramo približiti Americi kako bi izolirali Kinu
Boldano - to mnogi ekonomisti tvrde. A zasto to rade, pitanje je.Leviathan2 wrote:pa i jesu utvrdili, i jos dogovoriliepikur37 wrote:Leviathan2 wrote:kasno im je
plus putko i xiping su kucni prijatelji :)
ostaje im i dalje samo pokusavat jer i russija i kina dobro ciste petokolonase,
znaju ljudi posao
A i to što veliš. Rusija se nudila Zapadu dovoljno i previše. Angloameričke bitange su uvijek uzvraćale zavjerom, spletkom i nožem.
I opet bi.
Bolje je Rusiji s Kinom utvrditi Heartland i odjebati ionako načeti Rimland.
rusija na sebe privlaci bjes i zavjere a kinezi igraju ekonomijom i onda pomazu rusiji, naravno rusi njima prodaju i tehnologije o kojima kinezi mogu sanjati jer su rusi u vojnoj tehnologiji daleko ispred kine, kinezi imaju masu a rusi pamet i oni su toga svjesni,
recimo, mogu pisat sto hoce o rusiji, al ne zivi se lose tamo, usprkos predrasudama recimo moje zenke su ostale sokirane rusijom, one su mislile da ce doci tamo u da ce vidjet hrpu prosjaka, koliko god sam ih ja uvjeravao da nije tako, tek sok terapija ih je uvjerila
rusi abnormalno grabe naprijed i mislim da naveliko lazu kad daju statistike,
po jebenim selendrama vidis ogroman obim gradnje, internet im je brzi i dostupniji a naravno i jeftiniji nego na zapadu, urednost
vidis da se o svemu vodi briga
i veliim, svakom godinom su sve bolji i mogu jos vise
ja rjetko grijesim u procjenama i procjenjujem za 20 godina da ce rusija biti jedna od najpozeljnijih zemalja za migrirat, i jedna od vodecih zemalja u tehnologijama i nauci
Recimo, udio u rastu zbog rasta cijena nafte i gasa ove godine uopce nisu uracunali. A to je samo jedna od stavki.
Ringo10- Posts : 21667
2015-09-24
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