Europska komisija stala na stranu Slovenaca: "Očekujemo provedbu presude"
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..pa dobro realno nije to neka pobjeda slovenaca..izgubli su neka sela uz kopnenu granicu i svetu geru..sad trebaju objasniti svojim slovencima da se presele u sloveniju ostave svoja imanja,kuce a naselit ce one od hrvata u sloveniji koji ce kao nezeljeno tijelo dobit sup kartu pa nece janezi valjda biti na ulici..
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Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties
The Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (VCLT) is a treaty concerning the international law on treaties between states. It was adopted on 23 May 1969[3] and opened for signature on 23 May 1969.[1] The Convention entered into force on 27 January 1980.[1] The VCLT has been ratified by 114 states as of April 2014.[2] Some countries that have not ratified the Convention, such as the United States,[4] recognize parts of it as a restatement of customary law and binding upon them as such.
The scope of the Convention is limited. It applies only to treaties concluded between states, so it does not cover agreements between states and international organizations or between international organizations themselves, though if any of its rules are independently binding on such organizations, they remain so.[8] It does apply, however, to treaties between states within an intergovernmental organization.[9] However, agreements between states and international organizations, or between international organizations themselves, will be governed by the 1986 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties between States and International Organizations or Between International Organizations if it ever enters into force. Also, in treaties between states and international organizations, the terms of the Convention still apply between the state members.[8] The Convention does not apply to agreements not in written form.[8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_the_Law_of_Treaties
The Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (VCLT) is a treaty concerning the international law on treaties between states. It was adopted on 23 May 1969[3] and opened for signature on 23 May 1969.[1] The Convention entered into force on 27 January 1980.[1] The VCLT has been ratified by 114 states as of April 2014.[2] Some countries that have not ratified the Convention, such as the United States,[4] recognize parts of it as a restatement of customary law and binding upon them as such.
Scope[edit]
The scope of the Convention is limited. It applies only to treaties concluded between states, so it does not cover agreements between states and international organizations or between international organizations themselves, though if any of its rules are independently binding on such organizations, they remain so.[8] It does apply, however, to treaties between states within an intergovernmental organization.[9] However, agreements between states and international organizations, or between international organizations themselves, will be governed by the 1986 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties between States and International Organizations or Between International Organizations if it ever enters into force. Also, in treaties between states and international organizations, the terms of the Convention still apply between the state members.[8] The Convention does not apply to agreements not in written form.[8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vienna_Convention_on_the_Law_of_Treaties
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Dali su im 6 mjeseci da smisle laže i spinove te provedu arbitražnu odluku, očekujem za 7 mjeseci punu podršku arbitražnom sudu od strane čardak ššejkera, te čardak regoča i drugarice čardak kneginje metilde, naime mi smo dobili zapravo arbitražu iz koje smo "izašli"Pinochet wrote:Podrška Briselu u discpliniranju čardaka
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kako sam i rekao ovo je velika pobjeda hrvatske diplomacije hehehe nenaseljeno brdo nigdje je jednako važno kao pomorski koridor do međ. voda, ovo treba ući u analevuksadinare wrote:..pa dobro realno nije to neka pobjeda slovenaca..izgubli su neka sela uz kopnenu granicu i svetu geru..sad trebaju objasniti svojim slovencima da se presele u sloveniju ostave svoja imanja,kuce a naselit ce one od hrvata u sloveniji koji ce kao nezeljeno tijelo dobit sup kartu pa nece janezi valjda biti na ulici..
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..i sto ce biti za sest mjeseci?..izbacit ce nas iz eu-a
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sa tog nenaseljenog brda kontroliras vojno i obavjestajno trecinu slovenije..i ne radi se samo o nenaseljenom brdu..nego i o izgubljenim slovenackim selima i tim ljudima moras objasniti da dezela vise nije domovina ili zlocinacki ih preseliti...sa morske vode ne treba nitko iselitiasilovski wrote:kako sam i rekao ovo je velika pobjeda hrvatske diplomacije hehehe nenaseljeno brdo nigdje je jednako važno kao pomorski koridor do međ. voda, ovo treba ući u analevuksadinare wrote:..pa dobro realno nije to neka pobjeda slovenaca..izgubli su neka sela uz kopnenu granicu i svetu geru..sad trebaju objasniti svojim slovencima da se presele u sloveniju ostave svoja imanja,kuce a naselit ce one od hrvata u sloveniji koji ce kao nezeljeno tijelo dobit sup kartu pa nece janezi valjda biti na ulici..
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asilovski wrote:pomorski koridor do međ. voda, ovo treba ući u anale
Koji je u sastavu hrvatskog teritorijalnog mora, a mi smo Slovencima ionako uvijek davali pravo na neškodljiv prolaz u skladu sa međunarodnim pravom.
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asilovski wrote:Dali su im 6 mjeseci da smisle laže i spinove te provedu arbitražnu odluku, očekujem za 7 mjeseci punu podršku arbitražnom sudu od strane čardak ššejkera, te čardak regoča i drugarice čardak kneginje metilde, naime mi smo dobili zapravo arbitražu iz koje smo "izašli"
Ja od tebe ništa ne očekujem, jer tvoja naklapanja i ne samo u vezi ove teme imaju taman toliku vrijednost. Nikakvu.
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Ma u sastavu hehe koji ste vi paceri to je strašno, reci masovno iseljavanje je sport?slidingdoorsoperator wrote:asilovski wrote:pomorski koridor do međ. voda, ovo treba ući u anale
Koji je u sastavu hrvatskog teritorijalnog mora, a mi smo Slovencima ionako uvijek davali pravo na neškodljiv prolaz u skladu sa međunarodnim pravom.
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Ne znam kome ti prodaješ svoje bljuzge jedino rodbini i sekretarici u čardaku to je ta razina negiranja realnostislidingdoorsoperator wrote:asilovski wrote:Dali su im 6 mjeseci da smisle laže i spinove te provedu arbitražnu odluku, očekujem za 7 mjeseci punu podršku arbitražnom sudu od strane čardak ššejkera, te čardak regoča i drugarice čardak kneginje metilde, naime mi smo dobili zapravo arbitražu iz koje smo "izašli"
Ja od tebe ništa ne očekujem, jer tvoja naklapanja i ne samo u vezi ove teme imaju taman toliku vrijednost. Nikakvu.
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asilovski wrote:Ma u sastavu hehe koji ste vi paceri to je strašno, reci masovno iseljavanje je sport?slidingdoorsoperator wrote:asilovski wrote:pomorski koridor do međ. voda, ovo treba ući u anale
Koji je u sastavu hrvatskog teritorijalnog mora, a mi smo Slovencima ionako uvijek davali pravo na neškodljiv prolaz u skladu sa međunarodnim pravom.
Pa i sama arbitraža kaže da je u sastavu hrvatskih teritorijalnih voda. Hoćeš reći da je arbitražnu sud također skupina pacera?
Jel' ti uopće znaš kako izgleda njihova presuda?
E svašta i ja pitam...
Da, masovno iseljavanje je toliko prisutno u posljednjih oko 150 godina u Hrvatskoj da se slobodno može nazvati nacionalnim sportom. Najveći problem koji u tom smislu Hfrvatska ima je katastrofalno nizak natalitet.
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asilovski wrote:Ne znam kome ti prodaješ svoje bljuzge jedino rodbini i sekretarici u čardaku to je ta razina negiranja realnostislidingdoorsoperator wrote:asilovski wrote:Dali su im 6 mjeseci da smisle laže i spinove te provedu arbitražnu odluku, očekujem za 7 mjeseci punu podršku arbitražnom sudu od strane čardak ššejkera, te čardak regoča i drugarice čardak kneginje metilde, naime mi smo dobili zapravo arbitražu iz koje smo "izašli"
Ja od tebe ništa ne očekujem, jer tvoja naklapanja i ne samo u vezi ove teme imaju taman toliku vrijednost. Nikakvu.
Pa ti ni sam ne vjeruješ idiotarijama koje ovdje plasiraš čak ni kad si mortus pijan pa ti ja svako malo moram objašnjavati kako neke stvari zapravo stoje u realnosti.
Tko će te normalan uopće uzeti za ozbiljno?
Retoričko pitanje.
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Za ovog mi je jasno da lupeta. Ali da Vlada nije konzultirala ili angažirala meritorne pravne stručnjake za medjunarodne pravne instrumente - sramota.asilovski wrote:Čardak ima svoje adute:
Zdravko Belancic
Ovaj sud se bavi necim sto nije nadlezan,kriminalce pusta na slobodu a postene gradjane omalovazava otimanjem njihovog morskog i zemljovidnog prava.U pravi cas pravi covjek na vrhu hrvatske vlade,ako nesto neko ima protiv premijera Plenkovica onda to zasigurno nije ovaj argument,ovo je odgovor slovencima tezi jer znaju da ni milimetar nece naprijed.Cestitka A. Plenkovic za ova strozi odgovor.
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Doppelgänger wrote:Ali da Vlada nije konzultirala ili angažirala meritorne pravne stručnjake za medjunarodne pravne instrumente - sramota.
Izašli smo iz arbitraže.
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drži se teme....ne trolaj. a tema je arbitraža, a ne odlazak hrvata na privremeni rad u inozemstvoasilovski wrote:Ma u sastavu hehe koji ste vi paceri to je strašno, reci masovno iseljavanje je sport?slidingdoorsoperator wrote:asilovski wrote:pomorski koridor do međ. voda, ovo treba ući u anale
Koji je u sastavu hrvatskog teritorijalnog mora, a mi smo Slovencima ionako uvijek davali pravo na neškodljiv prolaz u skladu sa međunarodnim pravom.
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RH policija se povukla na svoju prvotnu granicu..nema vise zajednicke kontrole na granici..
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Court Says Slovenia Should Have Corridor to International Waters in Dispute With Croatia
THE HAGUE — An international arbitration court on Thursday handed Slovenia victory in a long-standing maritime dispute with Croatia, granting it direct access to international waters in the Adriatic Sea.
The Permanent Court of Arbitration's decision is final and binding, but Croatia, which withdrew from the proceedings in 2015, said it would ignore the ruling.
The court found that Slovenia should have "uninterrupted access" to the sea it shares with Croatia, presiding Judge Gilbert Guillaume said, in the case between the European Union neighbors.
"This decision is not legally binding for us in any way and we have no intention to implement it," Croatian Prime Minister Andrej Plenkovic said in a reaction.
"We're open for a bilateral dialogue with Slovenia and we do not expect from Slovenia any one-sided action on this issue," Plenkovic said.
Slovenia's government welcomed the ruling, calling it "definitive and legally binding".
"Slovenia will continue its good cooperation with Croatia and will not do anything that would aggravate mutual relations,” Slovenian Prime Minister Miro Cerar told a news conference.
The countries have been arguing over a stretch of their sea and land border since both declared independence from the former Yugoslavia in 1991 as it disintegrated into war and broke up.
The dispute, which centers on the bay of Piran, held up Croatian accession to the EU for many years. Only after both parties agreed to arbitration was Zagreb granted entry to the bloc in 2013.
The court has now ruled that Slovenia gets the vast majority of the Piran bay area recognized as its territorial waters. In addition, the tribunal established a 2.5 nautical-mile wide and some 10 nautical-mile long corridor through Croatian waters to give Slovenia much-coveted direct access to international waters.
"The zone shall give freedom of communication to all ships and aircraft, civil and military, of any state for the purpose of access to Slovenia," the court ruled.
Croatia withdrew from the arbitration procedures in 2015 after a leaked tape showed a Slovenian judge on the panel improperly exchanging confidential information with the Ljubljana government.
The judge involved resigned and the court decided to continue with the case, saying the incident had not compromised the court's ability to reach a final verdict.
It added that rule violations did not allow Croatia to withdraw from the arbitration process.
Slovenia has said Croatia should respect the verdict, while Croatian officials say the row should be resolved bilaterally.
The EU has looked to the arbitration between Croatia and Slovenia as a possible blueprint for the way to handle other border disputes that remain between several other Balkan EU-hopefuls.
Croatia's unilateral withdrawal casts doubts on the success of future arbitrations, as well as whether promises made in order to obtain EU accession will be kept once a state has been admitted to the union.
https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2017/06/29/world/europe/29reuters-international-court-croatia-slovenia.html
THE HAGUE — An international arbitration court on Thursday handed Slovenia victory in a long-standing maritime dispute with Croatia, granting it direct access to international waters in the Adriatic Sea.
The Permanent Court of Arbitration's decision is final and binding, but Croatia, which withdrew from the proceedings in 2015, said it would ignore the ruling.
The court found that Slovenia should have "uninterrupted access" to the sea it shares with Croatia, presiding Judge Gilbert Guillaume said, in the case between the European Union neighbors.
"This decision is not legally binding for us in any way and we have no intention to implement it," Croatian Prime Minister Andrej Plenkovic said in a reaction.
"We're open for a bilateral dialogue with Slovenia and we do not expect from Slovenia any one-sided action on this issue," Plenkovic said.
Slovenia's government welcomed the ruling, calling it "definitive and legally binding".
"Slovenia will continue its good cooperation with Croatia and will not do anything that would aggravate mutual relations,” Slovenian Prime Minister Miro Cerar told a news conference.
The countries have been arguing over a stretch of their sea and land border since both declared independence from the former Yugoslavia in 1991 as it disintegrated into war and broke up.
The dispute, which centers on the bay of Piran, held up Croatian accession to the EU for many years. Only after both parties agreed to arbitration was Zagreb granted entry to the bloc in 2013.
The court has now ruled that Slovenia gets the vast majority of the Piran bay area recognized as its territorial waters. In addition, the tribunal established a 2.5 nautical-mile wide and some 10 nautical-mile long corridor through Croatian waters to give Slovenia much-coveted direct access to international waters.
"The zone shall give freedom of communication to all ships and aircraft, civil and military, of any state for the purpose of access to Slovenia," the court ruled.
Croatia withdrew from the arbitration procedures in 2015 after a leaked tape showed a Slovenian judge on the panel improperly exchanging confidential information with the Ljubljana government.
The judge involved resigned and the court decided to continue with the case, saying the incident had not compromised the court's ability to reach a final verdict.
It added that rule violations did not allow Croatia to withdraw from the arbitration process.
Slovenia has said Croatia should respect the verdict, while Croatian officials say the row should be resolved bilaterally.
The EU has looked to the arbitration between Croatia and Slovenia as a possible blueprint for the way to handle other border disputes that remain between several other Balkan EU-hopefuls.
Croatia's unilateral withdrawal casts doubts on the success of future arbitrations, as well as whether promises made in order to obtain EU accession will be kept once a state has been admitted to the union.
https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2017/06/29/world/europe/29reuters-international-court-croatia-slovenia.html
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takve vijesti samo za tebe i asilu izlaze...zbog mokrih snovapismejker wrote:RH policija se povukla na svoju prvotnu granicu.
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Što je Jadranka trebala napraviti 2009.? Da nije pristala na arbitražu, vi jugovići biste ju okrivili da je antieuropski igrač. A Zoki 2015.? Što njemu zamjerate? Što nije u ime bratstva i jedinstva ignoriral slovenske svinjarije?kic wrote:EU se previse nadmece u ovoj stvari kako bi dokazala da pod njenim kisobranom se rijesavaju stvari, iako puzevim korakom i ignorirajuci igru ispod stola, favoriziranje Slovenije u EU krugovima u ovoj stvari je slicno onom navijanju za autsajdera i underdoga, ta izlaz na otvoreno more je postena stvar, iako ova druga gubi granicu s najvecim svojim susjedom i jednim od glavnih trzista iste.. sve u svemu, nasim politicarima mozemo sve ovo zahvaliti, pogotovo Kosorki, koja je pokusala imitirati drzavnicu..
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Ništa nije dogovoreno i potpisano. Tekst je samo parafiran (stavljeni su inicijali) čime se priznaje da se razgovaralo o onom što je tu zapisano. Nije potpisan niti ratificiran, stoga je nepostojeć.Eroo wrote:Govorim o "predmetu", taj je bio dogovoren i podpisan.red wolf wrote:A ne...Nikad nije zaživio...Eroo wrote:Predmet arbitraže nije sporan! Vaš premijer Račan je čak išao i dalje od toga, a gđa Kosor se s njime složila.kic wrote:RTFM dude!
Pacta sunt servanda, dude.
Osim vas presudom nije zadovoljna ni druga strana, što mi
daje za pravo misliti da zna bit da je pravedna.
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