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vuksadinare- Posts : 100240
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jbg...ponuda je na stolu fifti-fifti kao sto su u dilu Fatima i Vatikan...ocito su medjugorci tvrd orah...i ne pristaju na fifti fifti....
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Franjo gura svoje Romane, a zanemaruje Slavene.
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Pa jasno da su tvrd orah, dobro im ide i bez potpore Vatikana, čemu onda mijenjati.vuksadinare wrote:jbg...ponuda je na stolu fifti-fifti kao sto su u dilu Fatima i Vatikan...ocito su medjugorci tvrd orah...i ne pristaju na fifti fifti....
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Hercegovcu skaci po glavi ali ako mu zelis zavirivat u novcanik bolje da se nisi rodiodanni1 wrote:Pa jasno da su tvrd orah, dobro im ide i bez potpore Vatikana, čemu onda mijenjati.vuksadinare wrote:jbg...ponuda je na stolu fifti-fifti kao sto su u dilu Fatima i Vatikan...ocito su medjugorci tvrd orah...i ne pristaju na fifti fifti....
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vuksadinare wrote:Hercegovcu skaci po glavi ali ako mu zelis zavirivat u novcanik bolje da se nisi rodiodanni1 wrote:Pa jasno da su tvrd orah, dobro im ide i bez potpore Vatikana, čemu onda mijenjati.vuksadinare wrote:jbg...ponuda je na stolu fifti-fifti kao sto su u dilu Fatima i Vatikan...ocito su medjugorci tvrd orah...i ne pristaju na fifti fifti....
eh ta vaša uobrazija...jaki ste nego što nego jaki ali samo u čoporu a jedan po jedan ste kukavice samo takve.
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Vatican tightens rules on miracles and money in sainthood cases
New rules approved by Pope Francis and released by the Vatican on Friday are designed to make the process for approving a miracle in a sainthood cause more stringent, and also to ensure there's a clear paper trail behind who's picking up the tab and how much is being spent.
New rules presented by the Vatican are designed to tighten the process for approving miracles as part of sainthood causes, and to also make sure there’s a clear paper trail behind who’s picking up the tab and how much they’re spending.
The text was approved by Italian Cardinal Pietro Parolin, the Vatican’s Secretary of State, in the name of Pope Francis in August and released on Friday.
Italian Archbishop Marcello Bartolucci, the number two official at the Vatican’s Congregation for the Causes of Saints, presented the highlights of the new measures in a note released by the Vatican’s Press Office.
The new rules include:
To approve a miracle, at least 5 out of the 7 members of the body of medical experts within the congregation must approve, or 4 out of 6, depending on the size of the group, as opposed to a simple majority.
In case a miracle report is rejected on the first go-around, it may only be reexamined a total of three times.
In order to reexamine a miracle claim, new members must be named to the consulting body.
The president of the consulting body may only be confirmed to one additional five-year term after the original mandate expires.
While in the past payments to experts could be made in person by cash or check, now the experts must be paid exclusively through a bank transfer.
In general, the going rate in sainthood causes is roughly $560 for each of the two medical personnel asked to perform a preliminary review, and about $4200 in total for the seven members of the medical consulting committee.
The new rules are not retroactive, and hence they do not invalidate any beatifications or canonizations performed under earlier procedures.
Bartolucci said work on the new rules began one year ago, around the same time that leaks of confidential Vatican financial documents raised questions about financial practices in the Congregation for the Causes of Saints.
In his book “Merchants in the Temple,” Italian journalist Gianluigi Nuzzi charged the congregation was among the most reluctant Vatican offices to cooperate with new transparency measures imposed as part of Francis’s project of Vatican reform, and asserted that the average cost of a sainthood cause was about $550,000.
U.S. Catholic officials traditionally have used $250,000 as a benchmark for the cost of a cause from the initial investigation on a diocesan level, to a canonization Mass in St. Peter’s Square at the Vatican, though that cost can increase depending in part of how many people take part in the canonization ceremony and the logistics of organizing the event.
In March, Pope Francis had already approved a new set of financial procedures for the congregation, outlining procedures for handling contributions and specifying which authorities are charged with overseeing the flow of money.
Under those measures, while the postulator, or promoter, of a sainthood cause can continue to administer the funds for each cause, the bishop of the diocese or the superior general of the religious order that initiates the cause or another church authority must review financial statements and approve the budgets for each cause.
The rules approved in March also confirm a “Solidarity Fund” created by St. Pope John Paul II in 1983 to help cover the costs of causes where resources are lacking, giving the congregation discretion to transfer unused money from one case into the fund to cover the expenses of another.
https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2016/09/23/vatican-tightens-rules-miracles-money-sainthood-cases/
New rules approved by Pope Francis and released by the Vatican on Friday are designed to make the process for approving a miracle in a sainthood cause more stringent, and also to ensure there's a clear paper trail behind who's picking up the tab and how much is being spent.
New rules presented by the Vatican are designed to tighten the process for approving miracles as part of sainthood causes, and to also make sure there’s a clear paper trail behind who’s picking up the tab and how much they’re spending.
The text was approved by Italian Cardinal Pietro Parolin, the Vatican’s Secretary of State, in the name of Pope Francis in August and released on Friday.
Italian Archbishop Marcello Bartolucci, the number two official at the Vatican’s Congregation for the Causes of Saints, presented the highlights of the new measures in a note released by the Vatican’s Press Office.
The new rules include:
To approve a miracle, at least 5 out of the 7 members of the body of medical experts within the congregation must approve, or 4 out of 6, depending on the size of the group, as opposed to a simple majority.
In case a miracle report is rejected on the first go-around, it may only be reexamined a total of three times.
In order to reexamine a miracle claim, new members must be named to the consulting body.
The president of the consulting body may only be confirmed to one additional five-year term after the original mandate expires.
While in the past payments to experts could be made in person by cash or check, now the experts must be paid exclusively through a bank transfer.
In general, the going rate in sainthood causes is roughly $560 for each of the two medical personnel asked to perform a preliminary review, and about $4200 in total for the seven members of the medical consulting committee.
The new rules are not retroactive, and hence they do not invalidate any beatifications or canonizations performed under earlier procedures.
Bartolucci said work on the new rules began one year ago, around the same time that leaks of confidential Vatican financial documents raised questions about financial practices in the Congregation for the Causes of Saints.
In his book “Merchants in the Temple,” Italian journalist Gianluigi Nuzzi charged the congregation was among the most reluctant Vatican offices to cooperate with new transparency measures imposed as part of Francis’s project of Vatican reform, and asserted that the average cost of a sainthood cause was about $550,000.
U.S. Catholic officials traditionally have used $250,000 as a benchmark for the cost of a cause from the initial investigation on a diocesan level, to a canonization Mass in St. Peter’s Square at the Vatican, though that cost can increase depending in part of how many people take part in the canonization ceremony and the logistics of organizing the event.
In March, Pope Francis had already approved a new set of financial procedures for the congregation, outlining procedures for handling contributions and specifying which authorities are charged with overseeing the flow of money.
Under those measures, while the postulator, or promoter, of a sainthood cause can continue to administer the funds for each cause, the bishop of the diocese or the superior general of the religious order that initiates the cause or another church authority must review financial statements and approve the budgets for each cause.
The rules approved in March also confirm a “Solidarity Fund” created by St. Pope John Paul II in 1983 to help cover the costs of causes where resources are lacking, giving the congregation discretion to transfer unused money from one case into the fund to cover the expenses of another.
https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2016/09/23/vatican-tightens-rules-miracles-money-sainthood-cases/
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Međugorje je bio glavni punkt odakle se distribuiralo oružje i vojska po BiH.
Budući da se baš tamo ukazuje gospa, znači da smo bili u pravu i nismo bili zločinci.
Budući da se baš tamo ukazuje gospa, znači da smo bili u pravu i nismo bili zločinci.
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Znači ništa od dogovora u vezi para heheheh
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asilovski wrote:Znači ništa od dogovora u vezi para heheheh
pa sad po novom zakonu iz Vatikana, hercegovci moraju stručnjacima iskeširat najmanje milijun US dolara da stručnjaci najprije naprave preliminarne izvide na terenu jel se po međugorju uopće ta Gospa ukazuje. i to je tek dio keša i prva runda ima još tri runde brat bratu ta će ih Gospa odvest u totalni bankrot.
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os ti po picki saznao sam di zivis...stari strgat cu te tako da ce pes da ti lize strugotine s cesteGnječ wrote:vuksadinare wrote:Hercegovcu skaci po glavi ali ako mu zelis zavirivat u novcanik bolje da se nisi rodiodanni1 wrote:Pa jasno da su tvrd orah, dobro im ide i bez potpore Vatikana, čemu onda mijenjati.vuksadinare wrote:jbg...ponuda je na stolu fifti-fifti kao sto su u dilu Fatima i Vatikan...ocito su medjugorci tvrd orah...i ne pristaju na fifti fifti....
eh ta vaša uobrazija...jaki ste nego što nego jaki ali samo u čoporu a jedan po jedan ste kukavice samo takve.
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to sa gospom je velika glupost na kvadrat, iskreno sam pojam gospine je glupost, recimo gospa kao pojam u katoličkoj vjeri je tek "uvedena" tamo par stotina godina nakon krista, kada su neki svećenici imali vijeće itd.. možete googlati.
ali sve jedno podržavam Hercegovce da beru lovu, kada prolazio autom tamo, sve viletine i ogromne kućerine, ekipa se lipo obogatila i lipo živi na račun toga što prodaje maglu, i još bolje ne plaćaju Sarajevu skoro ništa poreza
Hercegovci, business, porezi su krađa,
ali sve jedno podržavam Hercegovce da beru lovu, kada prolazio autom tamo, sve viletine i ogromne kućerine, ekipa se lipo obogatila i lipo živi na račun toga što prodaje maglu, i još bolje ne plaćaju Sarajevu skoro ništa poreza
Hercegovci, business, porezi su krađa,
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vuksadinare wrote:os ti po picki saznao sam di zivis...stari strgat cu te tako da ce pes da ti lize strugotine s cesteGnječ wrote:vuksadinare wrote:Hercegovcu skaci po glavi ali ako mu zelis zavirivat u novcanik bolje da se nisi rodiodanni1 wrote:Pa jasno da su tvrd orah, dobro im ide i bez potpore Vatikana, čemu onda mijenjati.vuksadinare wrote:jbg...ponuda je na stolu fifti-fifti kao sto su u dilu Fatima i Vatikan...ocito su medjugorci tvrd orah...i ne pristaju na fifti fifti....
eh ta vaša uobrazija...jaki ste nego što nego jaki ali samo u čoporu a jedan po jedan ste kukavice samo takve.
prijetiš?
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Aha..kad bi hercegovce to zanimalo. Boli ih kurac i za stručnjake i za papu dok lova curi.Gnječ wrote:asilovski wrote:Znači ništa od dogovora u vezi para heheheh
pa sad po novom zakonu iz Vatikana, hercegovci moraju stručnjacima iskeširat najmanje milijun US dolara da stručnjaci najprije naprave preliminarne izvide na terenu jel se po međugorju uopće ta Gospa ukazuje. i to je tek dio keša i prva runda ima još tri runde brat bratu ta će ih Gospa odvest u totalni bankrot.
Ljudi dolaze jer vjeruju ne zbog stručnog mišljenja ili papinog mišljenja.
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ne...svitujen teGnječ wrote:vuksadinare wrote:os ti po picki saznao sam di zivis...stari strgat cu te tako da ce pes da ti lize strugotine s cesteGnječ wrote:vuksadinare wrote:Hercegovcu skaci po glavi ali ako mu zelis zavirivat u novcanik bolje da se nisi rodiodanni1 wrote:
Pa jasno da su tvrd orah, dobro im ide i bez potpore Vatikana, čemu onda mijenjati.
eh ta vaša uobrazija...jaki ste nego što nego jaki ali samo u čoporu a jedan po jedan ste kukavice samo takve.
prijetiš?
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vuksadinare wrote:ne...svitujen teGnječ wrote:vuksadinare wrote:os ti po picki saznao sam di zivis...stari strgat cu te tako da ce pes da ti lize strugotine s cesteGnječ wrote:vuksadinare wrote:
Hercegovcu skaci po glavi ali ako mu zelis zavirivat u novcanik bolje da se nisi rodio
eh ta vaša uobrazija...jaki ste nego što nego jaki ali samo u čoporu a jedan po jedan ste kukavice samo takve.
prijetiš?
a koji savjet si mi uputio? jer ja nigdje ne vidim tvoj savjet upućen meni. tvoj savjet bi bio: "os ti po picki saznao sam di zivis...stari strgat cu te tako da ce pes da ti lize strugotine s ceste" ? meni to ne liči na savjet nego na prijetnju.
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PAPA SUMNJA U MEĐUGORJE "Pa tko misli da bi Gospa rekla - dođite sutra u toliko sati i ja ću reći poruku?"
prenio index-smrdex od afp koja bi priznanjem međugorja izgubila dobar dio svojih prihoda.. uostalom Gospa je takve susrete dogovarala u Fatimi a papa se upravo sprema proglasiti svetima Franju i Jacintu, s Bernardicom u Lourdesu i s djecom u Ruandi... sve u svemu još jedna antifa provokacija i krivo tumačenje papinih riječi.. inače papa ne bi bio dosljedan sam sebi...
prenio index-smrdex od afp koja bi priznanjem međugorja izgubila dobar dio svojih prihoda.. uostalom Gospa je takve susrete dogovarala u Fatimi a papa se upravo sprema proglasiti svetima Franju i Jacintu, s Bernardicom u Lourdesu i s djecom u Ruandi... sve u svemu još jedna antifa provokacija i krivo tumačenje papinih riječi.. inače papa ne bi bio dosljedan sam sebi...
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Ima toga u Međugorju ohoho. Kao npr. ono kad se osim "Gospe" vidjelici ukazao i maleni Isusek i namignuo joj!!!metilda wrote:PAPA SUMNJA U MEĐUGORJE "Pa tko misli da bi Gospa rekla - dođite sutra u toliko sati i ja ću reći poruku?"
prenio index-smrdex od afp koja bi priznanjem međugorja izgubila dobar dio svojih prihoda.. uostalom Gospa je takve susrete dogovarala u Fatimi a papa se upravo sprema proglasiti svetima Franju i Jacintu, s Bernardicom u Lourdesu i s djecom u Ruandi... sve u svemu još jedna antifa provokacija i krivo tumačenje papinih riječi.. inače papa ne bi bio dosljedan sam sebi...
Mislim da je međugorsko čudo svakom iole biblijski načitanom kršćaninu nespojivo sa Božjom objavom.
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jastreb wrote:Ima toga u Međugorju ohoho. Kao npr. ono kad se osim "Gospe" vidjelici ukazao i maleni Isusek i namignuo joj!!!metilda wrote:PAPA SUMNJA U MEĐUGORJE "Pa tko misli da bi Gospa rekla - dođite sutra u toliko sati i ja ću reći poruku?"
prenio index-smrdex od afp koja bi priznanjem međugorja izgubila dobar dio svojih prihoda.. uostalom Gospa je takve susrete dogovarala u Fatimi a papa se upravo sprema proglasiti svetima Franju i Jacintu, s Bernardicom u Lourdesu i s djecom u Ruandi... sve u svemu još jedna antifa provokacija i krivo tumačenje papinih riječi.. inače papa ne bi bio dosljedan sam sebi...
Mislim da je međugorsko čudo svakom iole biblijski načitanom kršćaninu nespojivo sa Božjom objavom.
jednako kao i Lourdes... zamisli.. nekoliko godina nakon dogme o Bezgrešnom začeću pojavi se Gospa i pastirici objavi da je Ona Bezgrešno začeće.. ma to je čist smicalica tadašnjih popova
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metilda wrote:jastreb wrote:Ima toga u Međugorju ohoho. Kao npr. ono kad se osim "Gospe" vidjelici ukazao i maleni Isusek i namignuo joj!!!metilda wrote:PAPA SUMNJA U MEĐUGORJE "Pa tko misli da bi Gospa rekla - dođite sutra u toliko sati i ja ću reći poruku?"
prenio index-smrdex od afp koja bi priznanjem međugorja izgubila dobar dio svojih prihoda.. uostalom Gospa je takve susrete dogovarala u Fatimi a papa se upravo sprema proglasiti svetima Franju i Jacintu, s Bernardicom u Lourdesu i s djecom u Ruandi... sve u svemu još jedna antifa provokacija i krivo tumačenje papinih riječi.. inače papa ne bi bio dosljedan sam sebi...
Mislim da je međugorsko čudo svakom iole biblijski načitanom kršćaninu nespojivo sa Božjom objavom.
jednako kao i Lourdes... zamisli.. nekoliko godina nakon dogme o Bezgrešnom začeću pojavi se Gospa i pastirici objavi da je Ona Bezgrešno začeće.. ma to je čist smicalica tadašnjih popova
nije pastirica nego mlinareva kćerka iliti kćerka seoskog mlinara. i odakle ti podatak da je vidjela Gospu kad to uopće nije istina.
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