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Jedna neideološka tema...
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/komentari/vlast-mora-rjesavati-ideoloska-pitanja-ekonomiju-prepustiti-samu-sebi-949299
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marcellus- Posts : 46005
2014-04-16
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marcellus wrote:http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/komentari/vlast-mora-rjesavati-ideoloska-pitanja-ekonomiju-prepustiti-samu-sebi-949299
Istina, svi se bave politikom da bi postali premijeri, ali to ne smije biti jedini cilj. Iza bavljenja politikom, kod velikana kao što su Thatcher, Reagan, Orban, stoji jasna ideja o tome koje društvene vrijednosti zastupaju, koju ideološku stranu. Nitko od navedenih se nije primarno bavio ekonomskim pitanjima, naprotiv, bili su veliki pobornici deregulacije i prepuštanja ekonomije tržištu
Orban i deregulacija? Zar nije Orban izravno intervenirao u poslovanje banaka, udarao posebne poreze na internet, digao PDV na rekordnih 27% i još svašta nešto?
udba- Posts : 4945
2015-11-10
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Mišljenja sam da su svakako politika i ekonomija vezane pupčanom vrpcom, samo pitanje je na koji način. Recimo, složit ćemo se da nam je Njemačka uzor jer je mladost i školovana starost otišla tamo. Ali njihova energetska politika je izuzetno regulirana, imaju socijalističke poreze na energente čime pumpaju udio vjetro i solarnih elektrana koji sada ide od 20% prema trećini.
Iz tog razloga se razmišlja o prepuštanju cijene tako dobivenih kilovata tržištu. Kako će to završiti u budućnosti, vidjet ćemo.
Iz tog razloga se razmišlja o prepuštanju cijene tako dobivenih kilovata tržištu. Kako će to završiti u budućnosti, vidjet ćemo.
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udba- Posts : 4945
2015-11-10
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udba wrote:marcellus wrote:http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/komentari/vlast-mora-rjesavati-ideoloska-pitanja-ekonomiju-prepustiti-samu-sebi-949299
Istina, svi se bave politikom da bi postali premijeri, ali to ne smije biti jedini cilj. Iza bavljenja politikom, kod velikana kao što su Thatcher, Reagan, Orban, stoji jasna ideja o tome koje društvene vrijednosti zastupaju, koju ideološku stranu. Nitko od navedenih se nije primarno bavio ekonomskim pitanjima, naprotiv, bili su veliki pobornici deregulacije i prepuštanja ekonomije tržištu
Orban i deregulacija? Zar nije Orban izravno intervenirao u poslovanje banaka, udarao posebne poreze na internet, digao PDV na rekordnih 27% i još svašta nešto?
Intervenirao je donošenjem određenih zakona, određene regulative, ne miješanjem u samo poslovanje. Banke odlično zarađuju u Mađarskoj, samo što rade po jasnim pravilima, koja su upravo stvar bavljenja vlade svjetonazorskim pitanjima, ne ekonomskim kao takvim. U biti je Mađarska vrlo liberalno kapitalistička danas. Porezi koje plaćaju korporacije su niski.
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marcellus- Posts : 46005
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marcellus wrote:http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/komentari/vlast-mora-rjesavati-ideoloska-pitanja-ekonomiju-prepustiti-samu-sebi-949299
Od naftom prebogate Venezuele, koja je ekonomski posve propala pod socijalističkim režimom
Recimo kad je Sadam ušetao u Kuvajt koji je tada bio veća žitnica od Meksičkog Zaljeva, Amerika je odmah krenula u oslobađanje kuvajtskog naroda od okupatorske čizme, dok su Balkan ostavili da gori još naredne četiri godine. Zbog ideoloških razloga? Zbog kulturoloških razloga? Ne, nego zbog ekonomije. I mi imamo nešto nafte na državnom teritoriju, i tu se mora politika uplest, ne zbog ideologije nego zbog ekonomije. Druga je stvar kako postaviti modus operandi da se izvuče srednjeročno najveća moguća korist.
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udba- Posts : 4945
2015-11-10
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marcellus wrote:udba wrote:marcellus wrote:http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/komentari/vlast-mora-rjesavati-ideoloska-pitanja-ekonomiju-prepustiti-samu-sebi-949299
Istina, svi se bave politikom da bi postali premijeri, ali to ne smije biti jedini cilj. Iza bavljenja politikom, kod velikana kao što su Thatcher, Reagan, Orban, stoji jasna ideja o tome koje društvene vrijednosti zastupaju, koju ideološku stranu. Nitko od navedenih se nije primarno bavio ekonomskim pitanjima, naprotiv, bili su veliki pobornici deregulacije i prepuštanja ekonomije tržištu
Orban i deregulacija? Zar nije Orban izravno intervenirao u poslovanje banaka, udarao posebne poreze na internet, digao PDV na rekordnih 27% i još svašta nešto?
Intervenirao je donošenjem određenih zakona, određene regulative, ne miješanjem u samo poslovanje. Banke odlično zarađuju u Mađarskoj, samo što rade po jasnim pravilima, koja su upravo stvar bavljenja vlade svjetonazorskim pitanjima, ne ekonomskim kao takvim. U biti je Mađarska vrlo liberalno kapitalistička danas. Porezi koje plaćaju korporacije su niski.
Porez na dobit im je isti kao i kod nas, za jedan postotni bod manje. PDV najveći u EU, i glavna stopa i međustopa. I još plus pokušaj uvođenja posebnog poreza na internet koji je mase povukao na ulice. Kasnije je izbjeglička kriza bacila te stvari u drugi plan pa je mogao u tišini progurati tako neke mjere.
udba- Posts : 4945
2015-11-10
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Nisam mogao da pročitam više od prvog pasusa. Ovaj definitivno prolupao.
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dzango- Posts : 28141
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Kvaka je da se Orban bavi primarno svjetonazorskim pitanjima, i ekonomija mu cvate.
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marcellus- Posts : 46005
2014-04-16
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Ne igra tu Orban veliku ulogu nego kako će poslovat austrijske firme koje su vlasnici 80% zapadne Mađarske. Kad oni kihnu, Mađarska dobije gripu. Inače, Mađari imaju sličan problem kao i mi, kako uvest kakav namet da se smanji deficit.
Osim toga svi se slažemo da su nam problem uhljebi. Taj problem je politika stvorila i politika ga samo može i riješiti. Tko mora privatizirati ceste i brodogradnju? Opet politika i neki prikladni zakon.
Osim toga svi se slažemo da su nam problem uhljebi. Taj problem je politika stvorila i politika ga samo može i riješiti. Tko mora privatizirati ceste i brodogradnju? Opet politika i neki prikladni zakon.
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udba- Posts : 4945
2015-11-10
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A uvođenje poreza stranim bankama je ideološka tema? Jebote.marcellus wrote:Kvaka je da se Orban bavi primarno svjetonazorskim pitanjima, i ekonomija mu cvate.
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dzango- Posts : 28141
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dzango wrote:A uvođenje poreza stranim bankama je ideološka tema? Jebote.marcellus wrote:Kvaka je da se Orban bavi primarno svjetonazorskim pitanjima, i ekonomija mu cvate.
stranim? Jest
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marcellus- Posts : 46005
2014-04-16
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s tim da u EU ne možeš uvesti poseban porez za "strane" banke a poseban za domaće, tako da to nije baš tako.
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marcellus- Posts : 46005
2014-04-16
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Jebala Mara bumbara od ideološkog poteza.marcellus wrote:dzango wrote:A uvođenje poreza stranim bankama je ideološka tema? Jebote.marcellus wrote:Kvaka je da se Orban bavi primarno svjetonazorskim pitanjima, i ekonomija mu cvate.
stranim? Jest
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dzango- Posts : 28141
2014-04-19
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Nije ali jeste pošto ne postoje mađarske banke.marcellus wrote:s tim da u EU ne možeš uvesti poseban porez za "strane" banke a poseban za domaće, tako da to nije baš tako.
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dzango- Posts : 28141
2014-04-19
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ono što je Orban stvarno napravio je ono što sam davno predlagao da se napravi u hrvatskoj. Da se svi krediti s valutnom klauzulom prebace u kunske kredite.
The era of “fair banks” could be approaching to replace unfairness, with the government’s new action plan on forex loans, Prime Minister Viktor Orban said on Friday.
The government has approved an action plan containing several steps to help forex borrowers, he told public Kossuth radio over the phone from Brussels, where he attends an EU summit today.
In the first step the legal uniformity decision made by the Kuria, Hungary’s supreme court, will be incorporated into the legal system. A relevant bill will be submitted to parliament on Friday, he said.
Next, a law is expected to be passed in September which calls on banks to settle with clients. And finally, by the end of the year, a law on phasing out foreign currency loans will be passed, Orban said. This legislation will call for the mandatory conversion of forex loans to forint-denominated ones, which is likely to offer a full solution to debtors, he added.
Such considerations as the stability of the banking system and level of state contributions will be discussed at this latter phase, he said.
Orban said this process will enable the rise of “fair banks” that make profit in a fair way and people will not be dependent on financial institutions abusing their power.
As a general principle, if someone gained an unfair advantage at the expense of someone else, then the original situation needs to be restored, he added.
Commenting on the ad tax, he said the whole issue and the arguments raised against it clearly remind him of the time when the bank tax was introduced, since both areas had been handled as taboo. However, everyone should be involved in the fair distribution of public burdens to the extent of their capacities and those that have significant market positions should take a greater share than others, he added. Orban projected ad tax revenues to total 40 billion forints in four years.
Orban said he opposed Jean-Claude Juncker to be voted president of the European Commission. Although he expects Juncker to be elected president with a large backing.
“This is a matter of principle, I gave my word (…) to Hungarian voters on what I will represent, and I cannot deviate from that,” he said before the vote in Brussels. He cited the issue of “surreptitious” changes to the EU’s basic treaty which involved taking away decisions from the nation states in issues that clearly belong to them in line with the basic treaty. He said Hungary suffered from this a great deal and “it is against Hungary’s interest that things should progress in this direction and I want to give a clear indication of this with my vote.”
Next to Hungary, probably only Britain will represent this position because others have changed their opinion by way of bargaining, which he said he considered bad practice. He added, however, that despite the fact that he will not vote for him, he expects he will find a common voice for cooperation with Juncker.
The era of “fair banks” could be approaching to replace unfairness, with the government’s new action plan on forex loans, Prime Minister Viktor Orban said on Friday.
The government has approved an action plan containing several steps to help forex borrowers, he told public Kossuth radio over the phone from Brussels, where he attends an EU summit today.
In the first step the legal uniformity decision made by the Kuria, Hungary’s supreme court, will be incorporated into the legal system. A relevant bill will be submitted to parliament on Friday, he said.
Next, a law is expected to be passed in September which calls on banks to settle with clients. And finally, by the end of the year, a law on phasing out foreign currency loans will be passed, Orban said. This legislation will call for the mandatory conversion of forex loans to forint-denominated ones, which is likely to offer a full solution to debtors, he added.
Such considerations as the stability of the banking system and level of state contributions will be discussed at this latter phase, he said.
Orban said this process will enable the rise of “fair banks” that make profit in a fair way and people will not be dependent on financial institutions abusing their power.
As a general principle, if someone gained an unfair advantage at the expense of someone else, then the original situation needs to be restored, he added.
Commenting on the ad tax, he said the whole issue and the arguments raised against it clearly remind him of the time when the bank tax was introduced, since both areas had been handled as taboo. However, everyone should be involved in the fair distribution of public burdens to the extent of their capacities and those that have significant market positions should take a greater share than others, he added. Orban projected ad tax revenues to total 40 billion forints in four years.
Orban said he opposed Jean-Claude Juncker to be voted president of the European Commission. Although he expects Juncker to be elected president with a large backing.
“This is a matter of principle, I gave my word (…) to Hungarian voters on what I will represent, and I cannot deviate from that,” he said before the vote in Brussels. He cited the issue of “surreptitious” changes to the EU’s basic treaty which involved taking away decisions from the nation states in issues that clearly belong to them in line with the basic treaty. He said Hungary suffered from this a great deal and “it is against Hungary’s interest that things should progress in this direction and I want to give a clear indication of this with my vote.”
Next to Hungary, probably only Britain will represent this position because others have changed their opinion by way of bargaining, which he said he considered bad practice. He added, however, that despite the fact that he will not vote for him, he expects he will find a common voice for cooperation with Juncker.
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marcellus- Posts : 46005
2014-04-16
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dakle kako rekoh, nije na vladi da se bavi samo ekonomijom, nego da gleda društvenu pravednost. To je suština orbanovog poteza.
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marcellus- Posts : 46005
2014-04-16
Re: Jedna neideološka tema...
marcellus wrote:http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/komentari/vlast-mora-rjesavati-ideoloska-pitanja-ekonomiju-prepustiti-samu-sebi-949299
dobar članak za mentalno zakinute, treba imat sposobnost napisati takvo sranje
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Re: Jedna neideološka tema...
To je borba za glasove, slična je stvar kod nas, šta napraviti sa Švicarcima? Ili povratom imovine. Jesu li teži glasovi ovih koji traže nacionaliziranu imovinu natrag ili ovih koji su 70 godina unutra i to uživaju. Obično je rješenje zadužiti se vani i dat svima sve, nešto ala Bandić ili Sanader, al dobro je dok se ima, frka je kad se nema.marcellus wrote:dakle kako rekoh, nije na vladi da se bavi samo ekonomijom, nego da gleda društvenu pravednost. To je suština orbanovog poteza.
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udba- Posts : 4945
2015-11-10
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bože sačuvaj države koja gljedo društvenu pravednost. to je ljevičarski raj.
državu tribo odvojiti od religije, ekonomije i svjetonadzorskih pitanja. države se mogu baviti povredama zakona koje se tribaju napisati na jedun a4 papir, tipa zabranjeno je ubiti, ukrasti, oštetiti i prekršiti ugovor.
državu tribo odvojiti od religije, ekonomije i svjetonadzorskih pitanja. države se mogu baviti povredama zakona koje se tribaju napisati na jedun a4 papir, tipa zabranjeno je ubiti, ukrasti, oštetiti i prekršiti ugovor.
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