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[size=34]Smelling EU fear, Turkey moves in for $6.6bn kill[/size]

Finian Cunningham (born 1963) has written extensively on international affairs, with articles published in several languages. Originally from Belfast, Northern Ireland, he is a Master’s graduate in Agricultural Chemistry and worked as a scientific editor for the Royal Society of Chemistry, Cambridge, England, before pursuing a career in newspaper journalism. For over 20 years he worked as an editor and writer in major news media organizations, including The Mirror, Irish Times and Independent. Now a freelance journalist based in East Africa, his columns appear on RT, Sputnik, Strategic Culture Foundation and Press TV.
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Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu © Yves Herman / Reuters
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When the Ankara government carried out a brutal media crackdown at the weekend and then saw minimal Western protest as a result, President Erdogan knew he had the upper-hand – to leverage the refugee crisis.
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It seems more than strange that, only three days before a high-profile summit was to take place between European Union leaders and Turkey on Europe’s refugee crisis, the Ankara authorities carried out an audacious assault on democratic rights.
The violent police seizure of Turkey’s biggest opposition newspaper, Zaman, and its immediate cowing into a tame pro-government publication represents the most brazen authoritarian move to date by the ruling AK party of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
Turkish opposition politicians denounced the full-frontal assault on independent media as tantamount to a coup d’état by Erdogan.
But the Western response to the draconian display of state power was more muted than ever. There was hardly any Western media coverage of the Zaman seizure. Both Washington and the EU merely issued perfunctory statements of“concern,” and breathlessly urged Ankara to respect “free speech” and “core European values.”
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Almost 2,000 court cases opened in 18-months for ‘insulting’ Turkish President Erdogan
In recent months, Erdogan has been locking up journalists and closing critical media outlets. Under his increasingly autocratic rule, the Ankara authorities have prosecuted thousands of citizens who have “insulted” the president through social media.
More gravely, Erdogan has ordered a bloody wave ofrepression against ethnic Kurds in the country’s southeast, with disturbing reports of mass killings by Turkish troops. Turkish military have also been shelling across the border at Kurdish positions in Syria for several weeks now.
It is not as if EU leaders are oblivious to Erdogan’s rogue conduct. An EU report issued in November highlighted the growing repression of human rights. But still Erdogan continued his autocratic power-grab anyway. And the full-scale assault on an opposition news media outlet at the weekend is arguably his most flagrant move yet. The timing suggests it was a gambit to test EU resolve. 
In other words, Erdogan knew from the Western silence and empty platitudes that there would be no repercussions for his repressive gambit. And why was that? Because, as Erdogan is all too aware, the EU is on its knees to gain his cooperation on ending the refugee crisis assailing its very foundations. That, in turn, meant that he could send his prime minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, to Brussels to extract whopping concessions. 
Significantly, at the last minute before the Brussels summit opened on Monday, Turkey’s premier Davutoglu pulled out “some new ideas.” One of those “new ideas” was that Ankara was no longer requesting $3.3 billion in EU aid, as it had done four months previously. Ankara was now demanding double the money. 
Davutoglu hinted at the upper-hand when he arrived in Brussels, saying: “The whole future of Europe is on the table.” And he also let it be known that Turkey was talking more than just refugees, adding that Ankara expected “a new era in Turkey-EU relations.” 
The upshot of negotiations in Brussels this week is that Turkey is to receive a 100 percent increase in promised financial aid from the European Union – to $6.6 billion – supposedly for accommodating Syrian refugees on its territory.
Ankara also wrung a promise from Euroland that its 75 million citizens could avail of visa-free travel by as early as June this year; and, perhaps the biggest prize of all, Turkey got a commitment from Brussels to speed up its long-delayed accession to the European Union. 
A Financial Times report hinted at the delicate balancing act: “EU leaders tread carefully over Turkey’s media crackdown,”adding: “Leaders careful not to jeopardize deal with Ankara on migration.” 
In theory, the EU has been spared the nightmare scenario of thousands of refugees crossing on a daily basis from Turkey into Greece and thence further north. The uncontrolled migration over the past year was threatening the very existence of the 28-nation EU, with member states publicly bickering over closed borders and perceived unfair burdens. 

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What Ankara appears to be giving in exchange is its cooperation in the systematic return of all refugees presently in Greece – some 30,000 – back to Turkey. At some unspecified future date, the EU is committed to take back Syrian refugees in equal numbers in a seemingly orderly process of asylum application. However, it remains to be seen if such a complex arrangement of refugees being brought back to the EU can work in practice. For one thing, the EU will still have huge problems among its member states refusing to take up quotas of asylum seekers. 
Nevertheless, what may be deemed certain is the forcible “shipping back” – as European Council President Donald Tusk put it – of refugees from Greece to Turkey. “The days of irregular migration to Europe are over,”said Tusk with a tone of relief following the Brussels summit. 
In that grim task of hauling back beleaguered families, the NATO military alliance is to take the lead. NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg confirmed that the alliance was increasing its naval presence in the Aegean Sea to intercept refugee boats. 

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Just finalised arrangements to expand #NATO deployment to #Aegean to assist w/ migrant and refugee crisis. https://t.co/PpeOgukDwf
— Jens Stoltenberg (@jensstoltenberg) March 6, 2016

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The deal thus smacks of an emergency measure where supposed lofty EU principles are being thrown overboard. 
EU leaders were increasingly desperate to halt the flow of migrants and this is the outcome. German Chancellor Angela Merkel was under particular pressure to stem the human tide following her erstwhile “open door” policy. 
The refugee pathway into Europe has thus been blockaded with this latest EU-Turkish deal, even though there are serious ethical and legal implications over such a drastic measure. Under EU law, all refugees have the right to seek asylum. That is no longer guaranteed, but what is guaranteed is that any refugee boat intercepted in the Aegean will be forced back to Turkey by NATO warships. That is a signal escalation of raw power over humanitarian rights. 
The irony of all this is bitter. Only last week, NATO leaders were accusing Russia of “weaponizing Syrian refugees” for alleged political objectives to do with undermining the European Union. That preposterous contention is not worth dignifying with closer examination. 
Much closer to reality though is that NATO member Turkey is the party that has weaponized refugees. Erdogan’s state has played a prominent role in inciting the five-year war in Syria for regime change in Damascus. The war is in danger of dragging on even further given Turkey’s ongoing role in illegally supplying weapons and insurgents into Syria. That is the background to why nearly three million Syrian refugees have ended up in Turkey and for why Europe has incurred the destabilizing influx of migrants. 
As Syrian President Bashar Assad said recently, Europe’s refugee crisis would be quickly solved if the covert war on his country was stopped. That is achievable if European powers clamped down on Turkey and Saudi Arabia sending weapons and mercenaries into Syria. 
But instead, the EU overlords award the Erdogan regime with $6.6 billion while at the same time brutalizing human rights; and thereby ensuring that the whole problem is postponed for a much bigger eventuality.[/size]

Inače u napadu na Marraat Al Numan, al-usra satrala od Amera treniranu i naoružanu


 islamističku -fsa- i zaplijenila 2 skladišta streljiva i oružja........opet


     Prilično redovito Ameri ovako opskrbljuju islamiste, svako malo "greškom"


 pošalju par tona padobranima ili im se postrojbe priključe isis-u ili ovo ili ono.

In #Syria, #ISIL terrorists have lost over 3000 square kilometers and 600 fighters in & around #Shadadi over last three weeks. #ISIS #Daesh
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 isis izgubio 600 boraca i 3 000 Km2 oko Shadada.

Odličan video snimljen dronom

teško izbrojati ali oko 150 detonacija, mlrs, biće Tornado, vbr i sl.

Samo deri

Yehudi wrote:Inače u napadu na Marraat Al Numan, al-usra satrala od Amera treniranu i naoružanu


 islamističku -fsa- i zaplijenila 2 skladišta streljiva i oružja........opet


     Prilično redovito Ameri ovako opskrbljuju islamiste, svako malo "greškom"


 pošalju par tona padobranima ili im se postrojbe priključe isis-u ili ovo ili ono.

ja mislim da su rusi zasrali sto su usli u bilokakove pregovore s amerima, ameri su odgovorni za ovaj kaos i svako pregovaranje je gubitak, kad su udarili trebali su udarit sa svim raspolozivim, jebes grad, spali ga,  jednostavno stvorit liniju fronta i onda opleti s Gradom i Tosom,  mislim da bi se linija daleko brze i lakse pomjerala nego ovako kak seru, ovi ih razvlace na sve strane, a mogli su krenut fino od latakije i gurat sve pred sobom,  ubrzo bi odsjekli turke i tu bi smanjili mogucnost logistike kozojebima  a avionima samo rikat po eventualnim prebacivanjima trupa, da vidis kako bi se fronta kozojeba raspala, ovak bombardiraju i kojekakve navlakuse a ljudi ginu na kamare, bzvz, s tim oruzjem koje posjeduju nema sanse da ne mogu pacove istjerat odnekud ma kako bili ukopani

Leviathan2 wrote:

Yehudi wrote:Inače u napadu na Marraat Al Numan, al-usra satrala od Amera treniranu i naoružanu


 islamističku -fsa- i zaplijenila 2 skladišta streljiva i oružja........opet


     Prilično redovito Ameri ovako opskrbljuju islamiste, svako malo "greškom"


 pošalju par tona padobranima ili im se postrojbe priključe isis-u ili ovo ili ono.

ja mislim da su rusi zasrali sto su usli u bilokakove pregovore s amerima, ameri su odgovorni za ovaj kaos i svako pregovaranje je gubitak, kad su udarili trebali su udarit sa svim raspolozivim, jebes grad, spali ga,  jednostavno stvorit liniju fronta i onda opleti s Gradom i Tosom,  mislim da bi se linija daleko brze i lakse pomjerala nego ovako kak seru, ovi ih razvlace na sve strane, a mogli su krenut fino od latakije i gurat sve pred sobom,  ubrzo bi odsjekli turke i tu bi smanjili mogucnost logistike kozojebima  a avionima samo rikat po eventualnim prebacivanjima trupa, da vidis kako bi se fronta kozojeba raspala, ovak bombardiraju i kojekakve navlakuse a ljudi ginu na kamare, bzvz, s tim oruzjem koje posjeduju nema sanse da ne mogu pacove istjerat odnekud ma kako bili ukopani

ništa od toga svega, izgleda da je primirje dole... iako ima manjih okršaja.. nema SAA dovoljno resursa da dobije rat, čak uz brutalnu rusku avijaciju , satelite , rakete + šitske milicije, +iran, +hezbollah..

tako da izgleda da sam pogodio točno što će se desiti

preko_vode_do_slobode wrote:

Leviathan2 wrote:

Yehudi wrote:Inače u napadu na Marraat Al Numan, al-usra satrala od Amera treniranu i naoružanu


 islamističku -fsa- i zaplijenila 2 skladišta streljiva i oružja........opet


     Prilično redovito Ameri ovako opskrbljuju islamiste, svako malo "greškom"


 pošalju par tona padobranima ili im se postrojbe priključe isis-u ili ovo ili ono.

ja mislim da su rusi zasrali sto su usli u bilokakove pregovore s amerima, ameri su odgovorni za ovaj kaos i svako pregovaranje je gubitak, kad su udarili trebali su udarit sa svim raspolozivim, jebes grad, spali ga,  jednostavno stvorit liniju fronta i onda opleti s Gradom i Tosom,  mislim da bi se linija daleko brze i lakse pomjerala nego ovako kak seru, ovi ih razvlace na sve strane, a mogli su krenut fino od latakije i gurat sve pred sobom,  ubrzo bi odsjekli turke i tu bi smanjili mogucnost logistike kozojebima  a avionima samo rikat po eventualnim prebacivanjima trupa, da vidis kako bi se fronta kozojeba raspala, ovak bombardiraju i kojekakve navlakuse a ljudi ginu na kamare, bzvz, s tim oruzjem koje posjeduju nema sanse da ne mogu pacove istjerat odnekud ma kako bili ukopani

ništa od toga svega, izgleda da je primirje dole... iako ima manjih okršaja.. nema SAA dovoljno resursa da dobije rat, čak uz brutalnu rusku avijaciju , satelite , rakete + šitske milicije, +iran, +hezbollah..

tako da izgleda da sam pogodio točno što će se desiti

greska, SAA ima dovoljno resursa za uci jos u rat i sa turcima ako treba , ti si djelomicno pogodio za to primirje, rokacina je na palmiri, deir zoru i ide se na sirenje oko khanassera puta, problem je sto SAA ima neorganiziranu vojsku, totalka su sjebani,  pazi, dojde vojska i zauzme neke polozaje pa ih onda ostave na cuvanje nekim cobanima koji na prvo arlaukanje alahegber daju petama vjetra, onda se dogadja da  kozojebi krenu u napad na neki polozaj, masovka napad i kilometar dalje od njih vojska logoruje i nebi se nitko pomakao kurcem da ode u pomoc,  jedina svjetla tocka u toj vojsci je hassan i tigrovi, desert hawksi i zahredine u deir zoru, ovo ostalo treba povjesat,   pazi ovo, prica mi frend, dojde hezbolah i padaju odmah sela i gradovi, gdje krene hezbolah tu trava ne nice,  hezbolah odradi svoje i odu negdje na neki drugi pravac a ostane ndf i lokal samozastita pa cak i SAA , kozojebi cim skuze da nema hezbi udare kontru i otmu to nazad,  sad su im hezbe pocele radit  spacke tipa da osvoje neko selo skriju se i postave par ndfovaca da cuvaju, kad kozojebi zaarlaucu ndfovci uhvate crtu  ovi se zalete za njima a onda ih hezbe zguze odozada, al to je sve igra na sitno, od pocetka govorim  da SAA treba ocistit latakiju pa idlib i zatvorit pravac prema turskoj a na ostalim djelovima odrzavat linije fronte, medjutim zbog publiciteta se krenulo na drkanje oko alepa i oslobadjanje palmire,  tamo se bacaju ogromni resursi a ovo je moglo da se odradi cisto profesionalno i do sad bi dosli do alepa al sa strane iz idliba, ovako se jos nadrkavaju za kozojebima po onom gorju, bzvz, sve neki veliki vojni i takticki strucnjaci

pogledaj kako kurdi rade, kompaktna linija fronte, onda oni dirigiraju gdje ce udarit i mogu pomicat snage kako zele, mobilni su u picku materinu, gdje god isilovci il drugi kozojebi naprave pritisak kurdi ucas dostave pojacanje, gdje treba razjebat neprijateljske polozaje kurdi u momentu navuku silu i udaraju,  ebate ova sirijska vojska zakurac, imaju hrpu nekih enklavica na koje trose ogromne resurse da im ovi ne pobjegnu umjesto da ih jednostavno sprze, nije da nemaju s cim, termobaricni projektili rade cuda,  linija frnote im je totalka cik cak sto isto trosi bar 30% vise resursa,  ne znam koji kurac to rusi malo ne dovedu u red

http://balkans.aljazeera.net/vijesti/video-sirijski-pilot-iskocio-nakon-obaranja-aviona

mig 21 srusen, pilota ubili u zraku

Ne mogu tek tako spržiti neku enklavu jer vidio si kad je onima prekinuta opskrba hranom,

 cila EU počela kmečati kako brutalna SAA ubija civile gladju.

  A na Deir Zor se niti ne osvrću, kurvanjska je to politika.

 Serdogan otvoreno granatira Kurde i govori kakoTR neće dopustiti da Kurdi ili SAA

udju u Azaz, svakodnevno tamo šalje islamiste i oružje tamo.

   Da ne govorim o masakru Kurda u TR, gradove i sela bombardira, izgladnjuje,

uskraćuje struju, vodu, hranu, ruši.......EU na to šuti.

  A radi upravo ono za šta su Ameri optužili Assada.

Leviathan2 wrote:mig 21 srusen

Najweća mi je baza kad to nazowu uspijehom iako su im to zadnji radni sati tj da nema rata otpisali bi ih za godinu dwije ....

Leviathan2 wrote:mig 21 srusen, pilota ubili u zraku

  LAŽNA VIJEST

I to od prije par dana, nisam smatrao bitnim za objaviti.

Fotomontaža. Ono na padobranu je bomba a ne osoba.

Islamo propaganda. U prvoj vijeti je bilo rečeno da je oboren Su-24 a da je 

pilot, Rus, zarobljen kad se je spustio u grad.

Yehudi wrote:Ne mogu tek tako spržiti neku enklavu jer vidio si kad je onima prekinuta opskrba hranom,

 cila EU počela kmečati kako brutalna SAA ubija civile gladju.

  A na Deir Zor se niti ne osvrću, kurvanjska je to politika.

 Serdogan otvoreno granatira Kurde i govori kakoTR neće dopustiti da Kurdi ili SAA

udju u Azaz, svakodnevno tamo šalje islamiste i oružje tamo.

   Da ne govorim o masakru Kurda u TR, gradove i sela bombardira, izgladnjuje,

uskraćuje struju, vodu, hranu, ruši.......EU na to šuti.

  A radi upravo ono za šta su Ameri optužili Assada.

ma upravo zato, zasto se obazirati na njihovo kmecanje, rokavela, kao da je kojeg europljana briga za deir zor ili neku drugu enklavu nego novinari po nalogu rade od toga vijest, isto tako ozezlati po tucima, onda normalno negirati i svaliti na kurde,
kurdi su dobili dosta gradova i nekoliko uragana tako da me cudi zasto ne opletu po turcadiji, ja bih namjerno provocirao turke da ujdu na sirijski teritorij a onda po povelji nemaju zastitu natoa, a sumnjam da bi se natou dalo jebat s rusima zbog bolesnog erde, cak bi potiho i navijali da ga razjebe

Yehudi wrote:

Leviathan2 wrote:mig 21 srusen, pilota ubili u zraku

  LAŽNA VIJEST

I to od prije par dana, nisam smatrao bitnim za objaviti.

Fotomontaža. Ono na padobranu je bomba a ne osoba.

Islamo propaganda. U prvoj vijeti je bilo rečeno da je oboren Su-24 a da je 

pilot, Rus, zarobljen kad se je spustio u grad.

ma nisam pratio zadnjih par dana dogadjanja a naletio sam na neku vijest da su srokali mig21, u stvari da se mig srusio usljed tehnickog kvara i da su pilota upucali u zraku,  mene cudi da te kante jos lete, eno onaj u deir zoru yebe mamu uredno isisovcima a poljepit je selotejpom

 Ova je snimka od prije 2 h 

MANPADS islamista navodno oborio sirijski MiG

MIg 21 je dobar awion. Rusija je prostorno welika pa su se oni bazirali na Suhoje koji imaju dwa motora i welik domet.

Leviathan2 wrote:

Yehudi wrote:

Leviathan2 wrote:mig 21 srusen, pilota ubili u zraku

  LAŽNA VIJEST

I to od prije par dana, nisam smatrao bitnim za objaviti.

Fotomontaža. Ono na padobranu je bomba a ne osoba.

Islamo propaganda. U prvoj vijeti je bilo rečeno da je oboren Su-24 a da je 

pilot, Rus, zarobljen kad se je spustio u grad.

ma nisam pratio zadnjih par dana dogadjanja a naletio sam na neku vijest da su srokali mig21, u stvari da se mig srusio usljed tehnickog kvara i da su pilota upucali u zraku,  mene cudi da te kante jos lete, eno onaj u deir zoru yebe mamu uredno isisovcima a poljepit je selotejpom

 kažem ti da je ta snimka lažna, naći ću ti ako te zanima di su se hvalili obaranjem Suhoja i zarobljavanjem pilota.

A rušenje su prikazali kao da su ga oborili pzo topovima od 20mm.flakovima....kao pucali sa dva flaka.

Mig 21 je Ferrari. On je naprawljen tako da mora izdržati ogromne brzine leta tj drugim riječima swe u njemu je naprawljeno da izdrži welika opterećenja ....s godinama samo smanjiš brzinu i on opet leti preko 1 mah i to je naprawljeno da izdrži puno weće brzine tako da je to unutra takwo da bez problema i nakon mnogo godina radi pri manjim brzinama.

Brzina mu prelazi dva Maha što ga čini bržim od mnogih kasnije izrađenih zrakoplova.

https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiG-21

Weća brzina znači da materijal ( motor i swe ostalo ) mora izdržati ta opterećenja a to su welika opterećenja i onda ne treba čuditi šta on i nakon mnogo godina leti ko nowi na manjim brzinama tj manjim opterečenjima kad je naprawljen da izdrži i puno weća u startu,

ma s kurcem su srusili suhoja, mozda manpadom mogu dokacit koji mig 21 al sa pamovima se mogu jebat, nije to kao na pocetku rata kad su sirijski piloti letjeli nisko i izvodili pikiranja, sad se sve radi sa 5 km i vise,  suhoj ih roka s minimalne visine od 6 km a nema manpada koji ce ga skinut, osim ako ga ne napadnu turci s ledja