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Re: Ruska invazija na Ukrajinu
by Hektorović 28/4/2022, 13:02
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Vicious Blame Game Erupts Among Putin’s Security Forces
April 25, 2022
Russia’s army is deeply unhappy at the new and curtailed strategy Putin has ordered them to adopt in Ukraine, abandoning the big goal of capturing Kyiv for a much more modest objective of invading Donbas, in the country’s east.
And they are pointing the finger at other agencies, the FSB’s foreign intelligence branch primarily, for misinforming the president about the true conditions inside Ukraine that have led to failure. Other FSB departments appear to share the military’s analysis.
The war in Ukraine sharply divided Russian society. As journalists, we expected to lose many of our contacts in the Russian military and secret services after the invasion began on February 24. After all, it’s one thing to complain to a journalist about corruption in one’s agency, and it’s quite another to speak about the war with those who have taken a public antiwar stand. And indeed, in the first month of the war, some sources refused to answer our calls and messages.
But the situation has now changed dramatically. Last week we began to receive more and more calls and messages from our contacts in the military and in the FSB commenting on our reporting about Sergei Beseda, one of the heads of the Fifth Service of the FSB, who gathers political intelligence on Ukraine and cultivates the pro-Kremlin opposition in Kyiv. The general was sent to the infamous Lefortovo prison in Moscow, which has had a horrible reputation since the Stalin purges — innumerable victims have been murdered in the building’s basement.
The Kremlin has made frantic efforts to hide the details of Beseda’s arrest, going as far as to change the general’s name in prison records. (The Investigative Committee, Russia’s main investigative authority, went so far as to deny the fact of Beseda’s criminal prosecution.)
“Well done!” was a message from our old contacts in Russian Spetsnaz (special forces in the Russian military intelligence.) “All true!” we were told by our contact in the Service of Economic Security of the FSB. Videos about Beseda’s plight have recorded millions of views on Russian YouTube, and were widely debated on pro-Kremlin telegram channels. The rumor mill went wild suggesting that compromising material on Beseda was provided by its rival agency, the foreign intelligence service, the SVR.
Does this mean that the military or the FSB has concluded that the war, with its enormous casualties and incompetent direction, was a mistake? The short answer is no, quite the opposite.
Russia’s military believes that limiting the war’s initial goals is a serious error. They now argue that Russia is not fighting Ukraine, but NATO. Senior officers have therefore concluded that the Western alliance is fighting all out (through the supply of increasingly sophisticated weaponry) while its own forces operate under peacetime constraints like a bar on airstrikes against some key areas of Ukraine’s infrastructure. In short, the military now demands all-out war, including mobilization.
The frustration is becoming so intense that it has spilled over into the public space. Alexander Arutyunov (aka, the blogger RAZVEDOS), a well-known veteran of Spetsnaz of the National Guard, made a video plea to Putin: "Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich, please decide, are we fighting a war or are we masturbating?"
He demanded a massive escalation, with a choice of airstrikes on Ukrainian infrastructure or an end to the war. The video went viral, especially with pro-military groups on VK and those Telegram channels affiliated with the Russian army.
The telegram channel “FighterBomber” associated with the Russian air force, posted on April 12 a comment about NATO’s weapon supplies to Ukraine: “Naturally, we’ll further increase air defense units on the border with Ukraine in order to cover our territory from ballistic missile strikes, but it is also clear that NATO countries have far more weapons than Russia.”
The author expressed optimism that the Russian air force will be able to staunch the flow of Western supplies, but warned that further Ukrainian victories “will almost certainly prompt the use of nuclear weapons” against targets in Ukraine.
And then on April 22, Russian army General Rustam Minnekaev announced a second phase of the “special operation” which would aim to “establish full control over the Donbas and Southern Ukraine.
“This will provide a land corridor to the Crimea, as well as influence the vital objects of the Ukrainian economy,” Minnekaev said, according to Russian wire agencies. “Control over the south of Ukraine is another way out to Transnistria [the Russian-garrisoned breakaway region of Moldova], where there are also facts of oppression of the Russian-speaking population.”
This was odd. Minnekaev is Deputy Commander of the Central Military District, and he made his remarks at the annual meeting of the Union of Defense Industries, of all places. The most plausible explanation was that having recently attended General Staff meetings, he became over-excited at what he had heard, and then revealed the news at the first public meeting thereafter. Regardless, it is a sign that the Russian army wants more war rather than less.
What is absent in all these discussions within the military, public or private, is any criticism towards Sergei Shoigu, the Minister of Defense, and the public face of the war. Somehow Shoigu has succeeded in keeping the respect of the military, and redirecting all the anger away from the military.
Privately, the army, and even the secret services, have been heard to blame not only the Fifth Service of the FSB for misinforming the president, but also the president himself for making a bad call on changing the military strategy.
In 2014, when the Russian army swiftly occupied Crimea, the military and the security services were on the same page with Putin – they fully supported his decision to annex Crimea and were enthusiastic about the way it was done. It is very significantly different in 2022.
Does it matter? It matters a lot. This is the very first time the siloviki are putting distance between themselves and the president. Which opens up all sorts of possibilities.
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Vicious Blame Game Erupts Among Putin’s Security Forces
The security institutions, the ‘siloviki', that are key to propping up the regime are exchanging recriminations for a growing list of failures in the war on Ukraine.
April 25, 2022
Russia’s army is deeply unhappy at the new and curtailed strategy Putin has ordered them to adopt in Ukraine, abandoning the big goal of capturing Kyiv for a much more modest objective of invading Donbas, in the country’s east.
And they are pointing the finger at other agencies, the FSB’s foreign intelligence branch primarily, for misinforming the president about the true conditions inside Ukraine that have led to failure. Other FSB departments appear to share the military’s analysis.
The war in Ukraine sharply divided Russian society. As journalists, we expected to lose many of our contacts in the Russian military and secret services after the invasion began on February 24. After all, it’s one thing to complain to a journalist about corruption in one’s agency, and it’s quite another to speak about the war with those who have taken a public antiwar stand. And indeed, in the first month of the war, some sources refused to answer our calls and messages.
But the situation has now changed dramatically. Last week we began to receive more and more calls and messages from our contacts in the military and in the FSB commenting on our reporting about Sergei Beseda, one of the heads of the Fifth Service of the FSB, who gathers political intelligence on Ukraine and cultivates the pro-Kremlin opposition in Kyiv. The general was sent to the infamous Lefortovo prison in Moscow, which has had a horrible reputation since the Stalin purges — innumerable victims have been murdered in the building’s basement.
The Kremlin has made frantic efforts to hide the details of Beseda’s arrest, going as far as to change the general’s name in prison records. (The Investigative Committee, Russia’s main investigative authority, went so far as to deny the fact of Beseda’s criminal prosecution.)
“Well done!” was a message from our old contacts in Russian Spetsnaz (special forces in the Russian military intelligence.) “All true!” we were told by our contact in the Service of Economic Security of the FSB. Videos about Beseda’s plight have recorded millions of views on Russian YouTube, and were widely debated on pro-Kremlin telegram channels. The rumor mill went wild suggesting that compromising material on Beseda was provided by its rival agency, the foreign intelligence service, the SVR.
Does this mean that the military or the FSB has concluded that the war, with its enormous casualties and incompetent direction, was a mistake? The short answer is no, quite the opposite.
Russia’s military believes that limiting the war’s initial goals is a serious error. They now argue that Russia is not fighting Ukraine, but NATO. Senior officers have therefore concluded that the Western alliance is fighting all out (through the supply of increasingly sophisticated weaponry) while its own forces operate under peacetime constraints like a bar on airstrikes against some key areas of Ukraine’s infrastructure. In short, the military now demands all-out war, including mobilization.
The frustration is becoming so intense that it has spilled over into the public space. Alexander Arutyunov (aka, the blogger RAZVEDOS), a well-known veteran of Spetsnaz of the National Guard, made a video plea to Putin: "Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich, please decide, are we fighting a war or are we masturbating?"
He demanded a massive escalation, with a choice of airstrikes on Ukrainian infrastructure or an end to the war. The video went viral, especially with pro-military groups on VK and those Telegram channels affiliated with the Russian army.
The telegram channel “FighterBomber” associated with the Russian air force, posted on April 12 a comment about NATO’s weapon supplies to Ukraine: “Naturally, we’ll further increase air defense units on the border with Ukraine in order to cover our territory from ballistic missile strikes, but it is also clear that NATO countries have far more weapons than Russia.”
The author expressed optimism that the Russian air force will be able to staunch the flow of Western supplies, but warned that further Ukrainian victories “will almost certainly prompt the use of nuclear weapons” against targets in Ukraine.
And then on April 22, Russian army General Rustam Minnekaev announced a second phase of the “special operation” which would aim to “establish full control over the Donbas and Southern Ukraine.
“This will provide a land corridor to the Crimea, as well as influence the vital objects of the Ukrainian economy,” Minnekaev said, according to Russian wire agencies. “Control over the south of Ukraine is another way out to Transnistria [the Russian-garrisoned breakaway region of Moldova], where there are also facts of oppression of the Russian-speaking population.”
This was odd. Minnekaev is Deputy Commander of the Central Military District, and he made his remarks at the annual meeting of the Union of Defense Industries, of all places. The most plausible explanation was that having recently attended General Staff meetings, he became over-excited at what he had heard, and then revealed the news at the first public meeting thereafter. Regardless, it is a sign that the Russian army wants more war rather than less.
What is absent in all these discussions within the military, public or private, is any criticism towards Sergei Shoigu, the Minister of Defense, and the public face of the war. Somehow Shoigu has succeeded in keeping the respect of the military, and redirecting all the anger away from the military.
Privately, the army, and even the secret services, have been heard to blame not only the Fifth Service of the FSB for misinforming the president, but also the president himself for making a bad call on changing the military strategy.
In 2014, when the Russian army swiftly occupied Crimea, the military and the security services were on the same page with Putin – they fully supported his decision to annex Crimea and were enthusiastic about the way it was done. It is very significantly different in 2022.
Does it matter? It matters a lot. This is the very first time the siloviki are putting distance between themselves and the president. Which opens up all sorts of possibilities.
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2018-04-10
Re: Ruska invazija na Ukrajinu
by Pirate 28/4/2022, 13:12
AssadNaPodmornici wrote:DJI, the world's largest manufacturer of drones from China, has announced a temporary suspension of operations in Russia and Ukraine, it is the first company to cease operations in Ukraine since February 24, writes Al-Jazeera.
“DJI does not tolerate any use of our drones to cause harm, and we are temporarily suspending sales in these countries to ensure that no one uses our drones in combat,” said Adam Leesberg, director of corporate communications for DJI North America.
According to the publication, the Ukrainian military used DJI drones extensively for reconnaissance, while photographs and footage from the battlefield show that Russia also used drones made by the company.
#china #russia #ukraine
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Sa jednog telegram ruskog kanala. Najveća kineska firma neće prodavati dronove više Rusima ntii Ukraincima. U prijevodu Rusima, jer Ukrainci mogu nabaviti dronove od zapada koji ih proizvodi dok Ruska proizvodnja dronova je na aparatima
Ti si Nihi stvarno ponekad naivan ko francuska sobarica. Da li si stvarno uvjeren da Rusi ne mogu do dronova? Sjeti se samo koji je najpopularniji auto medju islamistima,. Sta mislis, da su isilovci isli po autosalonima i razgledavali sta ce kupiti.
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Re: Ruska invazija na Ukrajinu
by Guest 28/4/2022, 13:27
Nije problem doci do dronova, problem je doci do dobrih dronova.
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Re: Ruska invazija na Ukrajinu
by crvenkasti 28/4/2022, 13:35
MDMiridije wrote:Nije problem doci do dronova, problem je doci do dobrih dronova.
Dron je jednostava stvar. Veber kupi u čipoteci par otpornika i kondenzatora i otprinta ti super dron za jedno popodne.
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Re: Ruska invazija na Ukrajinu
by AssadNaPodmornici 28/4/2022, 13:38
ili dijelova za dobre dronove.crvenkasti wrote:MDMiridije wrote:Nije problem doci do dronova, problem je doci do dobrih dronova.
Dron je jednostava stvar. Veber kupi u čipoteci par otpornika i kondenzatora i otprinta ti super dron za jedno popodne.
Ukrainci su već rastavljali te Ruske vojne dronove, ima youtube video, možda ga kasnije izgooglam, ispalo je da niti jedan dio u tim Ruskim dronovima nije proizveden u Rusiji.
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2018-06-14
Re: Ruska invazija na Ukrajinu
by Guest 28/4/2022, 13:51
Na okupiranim područjima danas odletio u 3 pičke materine željeznički most u Akimovki kod Melitopolja.
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Re: Ruska invazija na Ukrajinu
by Guest 28/4/2022, 13:54
Nema šta ti oficir da govoriš o gubitcima.....tišina....sveti rat, ovo-ono.
Špric špric
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Re: Ruska invazija na Ukrajinu
by Guest 28/4/2022, 14:07
Stoka barbarska napustila, naći će svrhu u ubijanju istih tih kučkinih sinova.
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Re: Ruska invazija na Ukrajinu
by AssadNaPodmornici 28/4/2022, 14:09
Analiza Strelakova, ako ne znate Eng jezik, kasnije napišem prijevod u par crtica, po meni daleko najobjektivnija analiza što možeš naći na internetu i sa kojom se slažem. obično analize idu u smjeru, "rusi pobjeđuju totalno, ili rusi će ostati bez municije i hrane i goriva za 3 dana".
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2018-06-14
Re: Ruska invazija na Ukrajinu
by Guest 28/4/2022, 14:27
Noor wrote:samo izazivajte što više, prije ćete dobiticrvenkasti wrote:marcellus wrote:crvenkasti wrote:https://t.me/intelslava/27111
Užas. Kako se vesele, smradovi.
a ti isto jedeš govna s najglupljih propagandnih kanala velikom žlicom, nek se vesele, neće dugo, tak ste se i vi veselili kad ste na RTS-u gledali velike pobjede slavne srpske vojske u ratu protiv ustaša
pa se odnekud pojavila HV i razbila vam pičku tako da već 30 godina kmečite
Tko će Rusima razbit pičku?
“Kada završite u konvencionalnom sukobu, NATO savez nadmašuje Rusiju 15 prema jedan. Imamo prednost četiri prema jedan u kopnenim trupama. Imamo prednost pet prema jedan u borbenim zrakoplovima, šest prema- jedna prednost u ratnim brodovima”, rekao je James Stavridis, bivši glavni zapovjednik NATO-a.
Pa zasto ne napadnete rusiju direktno a ne ovako ko najljigavije pizde preko druge proxy drzave jel nato hrabrise? Jeste hrabri u picku materinu drugi vode rat umjesto vas. NATO PICKE!
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Re: Ruska invazija na Ukrajinu
by vuksadinare 28/4/2022, 14:45
kad je protivnik u konopcima protivnik zadaje zavrsni finalni udarac i protivnika patosiraGnječ wrote:Noor wrote:samo izazivajte što više, prije ćete dobiticrvenkasti wrote:marcellus wrote:crvenkasti wrote:https://t.me/intelslava/27111
Užas. Kako se vesele, smradovi.
a ti isto jedeš govna s najglupljih propagandnih kanala velikom žlicom, nek se vesele, neće dugo, tak ste se i vi veselili kad ste na RTS-u gledali velike pobjede slavne srpske vojske u ratu protiv ustaša
pa se odnekud pojavila HV i razbila vam pičku tako da već 30 godina kmečite
Tko će Rusima razbit pičku?
“Kada završite u konvencionalnom sukobu, NATO savez nadmašuje Rusiju 15 prema jedan. Imamo prednost četiri prema jedan u kopnenim trupama. Imamo prednost pet prema jedan u borbenim zrakoplovima, šest prema- jedna prednost u ratnim brodovima”, rekao je James Stavridis, bivši glavni zapovjednik NATO-a.
Pa zasto ne napadnete rusiju direktno a ne ovako ko najljigavije pizde preko druge proxy drzave jel nato hrabrise? Jeste hrabri u picku materinu drugi vode rat umjesto vas. NATO PICKE!
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Re: Ruska invazija na Ukrajinu
by Guest 28/4/2022, 14:53
vuksadinare wrote:kad je protivnik u konopcima protivnik zadaje zavrsni finalni udarac i protivnika patosiraGnječ wrote:Noor wrote:samo izazivajte što više, prije ćete dobiticrvenkasti wrote:marcellus wrote:crvenkasti wrote:https://t.me/intelslava/27111
Užas. Kako se vesele, smradovi.
a ti isto jedeš govna s najglupljih propagandnih kanala velikom žlicom, nek se vesele, neće dugo, tak ste se i vi veselili kad ste na RTS-u gledali velike pobjede slavne srpske vojske u ratu protiv ustaša
pa se odnekud pojavila HV i razbila vam pičku tako da već 30 godina kmečite
Tko će Rusima razbit pičku?
“Kada završite u konvencionalnom sukobu, NATO savez nadmašuje Rusiju 15 prema jedan. Imamo prednost četiri prema jedan u kopnenim trupama. Imamo prednost pet prema jedan u borbenim zrakoplovima, šest prema- jedna prednost u ratnim brodovima”, rekao je James Stavridis, bivši glavni zapovjednik NATO-a.
Pa zasto ne napadnete rusiju direktno a ne ovako ko najljigavije pizde preko druge proxy drzave jel nato hrabrise? Jeste hrabri u picku materinu drugi vode rat umjesto vas. NATO PICKE!
NATO PIČKE
kukavice podli kurbini sinovi sociopatski sljam sa dna kace ljudskog roda.
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Re: Ruska invazija na Ukrajinu
by Guest 28/4/2022, 14:56
Gori gamad! GORE BARBARI! Svi izgorili pička vam materina!
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Re: Ruska invazija na Ukrajinu
by dijagram 28/4/2022, 14:57
Aha, ondea ste ti, plenki, kizo natovci.Gnječ wrote:NATO PIČKE !!!
Jebene pobjegulje o hrabrosti, strava:)
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Re: Ruska invazija na Ukrajinu
by AssadNaPodmornici 28/4/2022, 15:06
brišem safetove postove, jer ono što smo stavili sinoć već i ja i max, nećemo tri puta stavljati isto.
ne u mojoj smjeni.
osim takvih informacija brišem i ne potvrđene propagadne informacije, gdje netko zaljepi sliku tipa "ukraina danas oborila 100 ruskih aviona, a rusija uništila 3000 novih ukrainskih tenkova" , slike bez linkova, bez smisla, također automatski se brišu. te stvari što su išle u temi kod korone, ovdje neće ići
ne u mojoj smjeni.
osim takvih informacija brišem i ne potvrđene propagadne informacije, gdje netko zaljepi sliku tipa "ukraina danas oborila 100 ruskih aviona, a rusija uništila 3000 novih ukrainskih tenkova" , slike bez linkova, bez smisla, također automatski se brišu. te stvari što su išle u temi kod korone, ovdje neće ići
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Re: Ruska invazija na Ukrajinu
by Službenik 28/4/2022, 15:08
još jedna kolona ukropa ...... zarobljenih negdje kod izjuma.
https://t.me/intelslava/27144
https://t.me/intelslava/27144
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Re: Ruska invazija na Ukrajinu
by Noor 28/4/2022, 15:10
upsićMDMiridije wrote:
Nema šta ti oficir da govoriš o gubitcima.....tišina....sveti rat, ovo-ono.
Špric špric
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Re: Ruska invazija na Ukrajinu
by Guest 28/4/2022, 15:12
dijagram wrote:Aha, ondea ste ti, plenki, kizo natovci.Gnječ wrote:NATO PIČKE !!!
Jebene pobjegulje o hrabrosti, strava:)
Ja sam napisao da sam se stavio rvackoj na raspolaganje a tvoji rvati me odjebali. Tu zgodu iz mog zivota sam napisao javno samo zato da supcima poput tebe zacepim prkno da ne seru o stvarima o kojima pojma nemaju. Za plenkija kizu i ostale rvacke sociopate parazite me zaboli kurac pitaj njih zasto su pojegulje.
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Re: Ruska invazija na Ukrajinu
by Noor 28/4/2022, 15:13
MDMiridije wrote:
Gori gamad! GORE BARBARI! Svi izgorili pička vam materina!
prc milojka...i 2500 km od ukrajine duboko u majčici rusiji
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