Ruska invazija na Ukrajinu

Gnječ wrote:

marcellus wrote:pa to je poznato da su pijani rusi u berlinu 45. izjebali sve od 7 do 77, naravno na silu

imaš koji link ili opet maštaš da si pokretna enciklopedija?

Bundenstag-sažetak

Stranica koja se bavi silovanjima u svim ratovima

nikaj wiki.

iz prvog pdf lako nađeš relevantne podatke.

oko 4 000 000 ih je silovano, sustavno u periodu od 1945-1956e

red wolf wrote:

dijagram wrote:Ima li promjena na bojisnici?

Navodno je Herson pred oslobođenjem...

To je vec nesto, ako tako bude.

veber wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

marcellus wrote:pa to je poznato da su pijani rusi u berlinu 45. izjebali sve od 7 do 77, naravno na silu

imaš koji link ili opet maštaš da si pokretna enciklopedija?

Bundenstag-sažetak

Stranica koja se bavi silovanjima u svim ratovima

nikaj wiki.

iz prvog pdf lako nađeš relevantne podatke.

oko 4 000 000 ih je silovano, sustavno u periodu od 1945-1956e

Ima dobar dokumentarac o stradanju Njemaca nakon 2. Svjetskog rata. Oni su svoju karmu i katarzu prošli. Bio je postavljen na youtube-u, ali ne znam da li ga se još može pogledati.

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marcellus wrote:
As Allied troops entered and occupied German territory during the later stages of World War II, mass rapes of women took place both in connection with combat operations and during the subsequent occupation of Germany. Scholars agree that the majority of the rapes were committed by Soviet occupation troops.[1] The wartime rapes were followed by decades of silence.

jel ti čobane razumiješ kaj tu piše? allied troops su svi, majority ne znači svi nego većina.

marcellus wrote: reported to Moscow the mass rape of Soviet women deported to Germany for forced labour, he recommended that the women be prevented from describing their ordeal on their return to Russia.[22]

jel ti čobane razumiješ kaj ovdje piše? ovdje piše da su nijemci koji su deportirali ruskinje na prisilni rad u njemačku za vrijeme rata masovno silovali ruskinje i da se njima govorilo da o tome šute po povratku u rusiju, da ne pričaju kako su ih nijemci masovno silovali.

marcellus wrote:When the Yugoslav Partisan politician Milovan Djilas complained about rapes in Yugoslavia, Joseph Stalin reportedly stated that he should "understand it if a soldier who has crossed thousands of kilometres through blood and fire and death has fun with a woman or takes some trifle".[23] On another occasion, when told that Red Army soldiers sexually maltreated German refugees, he reportedly said: "We lecture our soldiers too much; let them have their initiative."[24] Nevertheless, there are no surviving records to prove these statements.[24]

a ovdje piše čobane glupi usrani da je cijeli taj dio sranje koje se nikad nije dogodilo. nikakva milovan djilas i nikakav josef staljin nisu vodili nikakav razgovor.

+ Ko god je studirao zna da wikica nije ozbiljan izvor informacija..

jok ebenica i cigano su ozbiljan izvor informacija

mogu ti sad naći stotine povijesnih knjiga u kojima se o tome piše.

A svatko tko ne zna da su ruski barbari u berlinu 45. silovali sve što ima rupu je vjerojatno živio ispod kamena zadnjih 30 godina... i nije pročitao niti jedne ozbiljnije novine kamoli povijesnu knjigu o ww2

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106687768&t=1649186378622

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32529679

One of the most revealing passages in Gelfand's diary is dated 25 April, once he had reached Berlin. Gelfand was whirling around on a bicycle by the River Spree, the first time he'd ever ridden one, when he came across a group of German women carrying suitcases and bundles.

In broken German, he asked them where they were going and why they had left their homes.

"With horror on their faces, they told me what had happened on the first night of the Red Army's arrival," he writes.

"'They poked here,' explained the beautiful German girl, lifting up her skirt, 'all night. They were old, some were covered in pimples and they all climbed on me and poked - no less than 20 men,' she burst into tears.

"'They raped my daughter in front of me,' her poor mother added, 'and they can still come back and rape her again.' This thought horrified everyone.

"'Stay here,' the girl suddenly threw herself at me, 'sleep with me! You can do whatever you want with me, but only you!'"

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While researching his 2002 book, Berlin, The Downfall, historian Antony Beevor found documents about sexual violence in the state archive of the Russian Federation. They were sent by the NKVD, the secret police, to their boss, Lavrentiy Beria, in late 1944.

"These were passed on to Stalin," says Beevor. "You can actually see from the ticks whether they've been read or not - and they report on the mass rapes in East Prussia and the way that German women would try to kill their children, and kill themselves, to avoid such a fate."

Another wartime diary, this time kept by the fiancee of an absent German soldier, shows that some women adapted to the appalling circumstances, in order to survive.

Starting on 20 April 1945, 10 days before Hitler's suicide, the anonymous author is, like Vladimir Gelfand, brutally honest, with razor-sharp powers of observation and occasional flashes of gallows humour.

Describing herself as "a pale-faced blonde always dressed in the same winter coat", the diarist paints vivid pictures of her neighbours in the bomb shelter beneath her Berlin apartment block, including a "young man in grey trousers and horn-rimmed glasses who on closer inspection turns out to be a young woman" and three elderly sisters, "all dressmakers, huddled together like a big black pudding".

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As they await the arrival of the Red Army, they joke "better a Russky on top than a Yank overhead" - rape is preferable to being pulverised by bombs. But when the soldiers reach their basement and try to haul women out, they beg the diarist to use her Russian language skills and complain to the Soviet command.

Braving the chaos on the rubble strewn streets, she manages to find a senior officer. He shrugs his shoulders. Despite Stalin's decree banning violence against civilians, he says, "It happens anyway."

The officer returns to the cellar with her and reprimands the soldiers, but one is seething with fury.

"'What do you mean? What did the Germans do to our women!' He is screaming: 'They took my sister and…' The officer calms the man down and gets them outside."

But when the diarist steps back into the corridor to check they have gone, the men have been lying in wait and grab her. She is brutally raped and nearly strangled. The terrified neighbours, or "cave dwellers" as she calls them, had slammed the basement door shut.

"Finally the two iron levers open. Everyone stares at me," she writes. "My stockings are down to my shoes, I'm still holding on to what's left of my suspender belt. I start yelling 'You pigs! Here they rape me twice in a row and you leave me lying like a piece of dirt!'"

Many of the diarist's neighbours made similar deals with the conquerors in the ruins of Berlin.

When the diary was published in German in 1959 under the title A Woman in Berlin, the author's frank account of the choices she made to survive was attacked for "besmirching the honour" of German women. Not surprisingly, she refused to allow the book to be republished until after her death.

Seventy years after the end of the war, new research on sexual violence committed by all the Allied forces - American, British and French as well as Soviet - is still emerging. But for years the subject slid under the official radar. Few reported it and even fewer would listen.

Besides the social stigma, in East Germany it was sacrilegious to criticise Soviet heroes who had defeated fascism while across the Wall in the West, the guilt for Nazi crimes made German suffering unmentionable.

But in 2008, there was a film adaptation of the Berlin Woman's diary called Anonyma, starring the well-known German actress Nina Hoss. The film had a cathartic effect in Germany and encouraged many women to come forward, including Ingeborg Bullert.

Ingeborg, aged 90, now lives in Hamburg in a flat filled with photos of cats and books about the theatre. She was 20 in 1945, dreamed of becoming an actress and lived with her mother in an upmarket street in Berlin's Charlottenberg district.

When the Soviet assault on the city began, like the woman diarist, she took refuge in the cellar of her building.

"Suddenly there were tanks in our street and everywhere the bodies of Russian and German soldiers", she recalls. "I remember the dreadful whining sound made by those Russian bombs - we called them Stalinorgels (Stalin organs)."

During a lull in the air raid, Ingeborg left the cellar and ran upstairs to look for a piece of string to use as a wick for a lamp. "Suddenly there were two Russians pointing their pistols at me," she says. "One of them forced me to expose myself and raped me, and then they changed places and the other one raped me as well. I thought I would die, that they would kill me."

Ingeborg didn't talk about her ordeal at the time, or for decades afterwards - she said it was too difficult. "My mother liked to boast that her daughter hadn't been touched," she says.

But the rapes had affected women in households across Berlin. Ingeborg recalls that women between the ages of 15 and 55 were ordered to get tested for sexually transmitted diseases. "You needed the medical certificate to get the food stamps and I remember that all the doctors doing these certificates, had waiting rooms full of women."

What was the scale of the rapes? The most often quoted number is a staggering 100,000 women in Berlin and two million on German territory. That figure - hotly debated - was extrapolated from scant surviving medical records.

In a former munitions factory which now houses the State Archive, Martin Luchterhand shows me an armful of blue cardboard folders. These contain abortion records dated July to October 1945 from Neukolln, just one of Berlin's 24 districts - it's a small miracle that they survived intact.


Abortions were illegal in Germany according to Article 218 of the penal code, but Luchterhand says "there was a small window for those women because of that special situation of the mass rapes in 1945".

Altogether 995 pleas for abortion were approved by this one district office in Berlin office between June 1945 to 1946. The files contain over 1,000 fragile scraps of paper of different colours and sizes. In childish round handwriting, one girl testifies that she was assaulted in the living room of her home in front of her parents.

We will probably never know the true scale of the rapes. Soviet military tribunals and other sources remain classified. The Russian parliament recently passed a law which says that anyone who denigrates Russia's record in World War Two could face fines and up to five years in prison.

Vera Dubina, a young historian at the University of Humanities in Moscow, says she knew nothing of the rapes until a scholarship took her to Berlin. She later wrote a paper on the subject but struggled to get it published.

"The Russian media reacted very aggressively," she says. "People only want to hear about our glorious victory in the Great Patriotic War and now it is getting harder to do proper research."

mislim, pa žene su poslije rata pričale o tome, povjesničari izučavali, pa to se zna da niti jedna njemica s dvije noge i ruke nije nakon rata izbjegla da je rusi siluju takoreći

Gnječ wrote:

lijepo im unoforma stoji...to.je bio vojnik...

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ljubo1212 wrote:
lepi, tehnologija je iz 70-ih godina prošlog stoljeća,a dio vojne opreme do zadnje generacije se daje u komercijalu,
u linku ti je uredno civilni satelit, iz 2018. godine   
ali kako vidim, čak i nije bilo oblaka tih par tjedana koliko se protežu žrtve tamo

vidi on to i sam, al ne bi priznao da mu nokte čupaš

Ajde ne sroljaj pogledaj si prvi dijagram koji si stavila. Kad si vidjela da si samu sebe zasrala začavlala si drugi dijagram koji pokazuje drukcije metereološko stanje.

pa na prvom je ožujak na kojem se vidi sporni 19.3....a onda sam vidjela da sam ti i veljaču trebala, obzirom da je drugi sporni datum na satelitu iz veljače
19.3. je sam po sebi ionako dosta..u to vrijeme su rusi već bili tamo

jel bilo struje, interneta i mobitela tog 19.3 u buči? nema jedne jedine snimke i niti jednog jedinog javljanja o tim ljudima tamo 19.3. o tim ljudima nema govora do 3.4 ili 4.4.. niti jedne jedine riječi, jedne whatsap poruke, fejsa, twitera. ničeg, nula. da se te snimke mogu premotavat kak se kome kurac digne premotali bi na trenutak samog čina ili približno i znalo bi se točno koji datum je u igri pogotovo jer ti kažeš da je bilo vedro, znači svi uvjeti ispunjeni.

U jebote!! ovo je stvarno za anale

rat je gotov za dva do tri tjedna, neću ti objašnjavat jer nema apsolutno nikakvog smisla.

ma kakvi, rat je završio za 3 dana, ukrajina denacificizirana, banderovci smjenjeni, ukri dočekali ruse sa cvijećem i ruskim zastavama, Kijev oslobođen... ma sve što je putin pričao sve se ostvarilo e!

ok, ti si bivši časnik.

ja sam i sada časnik a ti si i dalje hm hm jebiga
Ajde reci zbog čega navijaš za ruse kod jasne i nedvosmislene agresije istih na Ukrajinu koja im nikada nije bila prijetnja?

zato sto je ljevicar radikalniji..a dobro se zna da ce ljevicar biti uz ruse radi nekakve nostalgije za socijalistickim vremenima..znas sto je hitrec napisao..dobro on i ekipa znaju da rusi nisu cvjecka ali rus uvijek mirise na socijalizam ljevicarstvo..

To je specifičnost na forumu, ili kod nas obćenito...
Na zapadu su tzv. liberali i militantni vakseri redom na strani ukrajine dok to nije slučaj s 'konzervama' i antivakserima...
Misli se na tzv. obične građane a ne vlasti...
Jutros čitam 52% francuza smatra da je rusija imala barem jedan opravdan razlog za vojnu akciju...
Smatram da je nepovjere u političare i medije koji su se u posljednje 2 godine deklarirali kao lažovi, kriminalci i diktatori, tome presudno pridonijelo...
Ljudi jednostavno sve manje vjeruju službenoj priči...

mislim da bi i gnjeco na silu nekog sprcio...to ga rajca

"National Corps", "Right Sector" and VO "Svoboda" held in Kyiv on October 14 "March of Glory of Heroes" to the Day of Ukrainian Cossacks, the 75th anniversary of the creation of the UPA and the Day of the Defender of Ukraine

inače ukraincima u ovom trenu se raspoređuju američki dronovi kamikaze.
pazi činjenice - amerikanci sami nisu stigli uvesti u svoju vojsku dronove kamikaze, a sada ti dronovi kamikaze dolaze ukraincima.. koji će ih testirati na nesretnim rusima..

imate dvije vrste.. swtichblade 300 koji ima domet ovako izglave 10ak km, i ima explozivno punjenje puno gelera koje može potamaniti nekoliko pješaka na hrpi, ili uništiti nešto lako oklopljeno tipa kamion, džip, itd.. zatim imamo switchblade 600, koji je težak 25kg, ima i domet nekoliko destaka km(zaboravih) i može uništitit bilo šta.. nosi praktički projektil od javelina u sebi, i zabije se u metu.. uništi bilo što ..nadam se da ćemo gledati neka videa uskoro, da će ukrainci snimiti koji mobitelom i podijeliti

Jebiga, generalizirate. Ja sam ljevičar pa nisam za, ne za Ruse kao narod, nego za politiku ove sadašnje ruske vlasti. Dapače, osuđujem tu politiku i podržavam borbu ukrajinskog naroda za slobodu, vlastitu sudbinu, vlastitu zemlju.

vuksadinare wrote:

Gnječ wrote:

lijepo im unoforma stoji...to.je bio vojnik...

Naročito ovaj desno...
Nema 30 kila skupa s puškom i šljemom...

AssadNaPodmornici wrote:inače ukraincima u ovom trenu se raspoređuju američki dronovi kamikaze.
pazi činjenice - amerikanci sami nisu stigli uvesti u svoju vojsku dronove kamikaze, a sada ti dronovi kamikaze dolaze ukraincima.. koji će ih testirati na nesretnim rusima..

imate dvije vrste.. swtichblade 300 koji ima domet ovako izglave 10ak km, i ima explozivno punjenje puno gelera koje može potamaniti nekoliko pješaka na hrpi, ili uništiti nešto lako oklopljeno tipa kamion, džip, itd.. zatim imamo switchblade 600, koji je težak 25kg, ima i domet nekoliko destaka km(zaboravih) i može uništitit bilo šta.. nosi praktički projektil od javelina u sebi, i zabije se u metu.. uništi bilo što ..nadam se da ćemo gledati neka videa uskoro, da će ukrainci snimiti koji mobitelom i podijeliti

Zapadno oružje se pokazalo jako uspješno u borbama u Ukrajini.

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vuksadinare wrote:

Šandor Winnetou wrote:

ebenica wrote:

Šandor Winnetou wrote:

ebenica wrote:

Šandor Winnetou wrote:

ebenica wrote:

Noor wrote:

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Noor wrote:

ljubo1212 wrote:
lepi, tehnologija je iz 70-ih godina prošlog stoljeća,a dio vojne opreme do zadnje generacije se daje u komercijalu,
u linku ti je uredno civilni satelit, iz 2018. godine   
ali kako vidim, čak i nije bilo oblaka tih par tjedana koliko se protežu žrtve tamo

vidi on to i sam, al ne bi priznao da mu nokte čupaš

Ajde ne sroljaj pogledaj si prvi dijagram koji si stavila. Kad si vidjela da si samu sebe zasrala začavlala si drugi dijagram koji pokazuje drukcije metereološko stanje.

pa na prvom je ožujak na kojem se vidi sporni 19.3....a onda sam vidjela da sam ti i veljaču trebala, obzirom da je drugi sporni datum na satelitu iz veljače
19.3. je sam po sebi ionako dosta..u to vrijeme su rusi već bili tamo

jel bilo struje, interneta i mobitela tog 19.3 u buči? nema jedne jedine snimke i niti jednog jedinog javljanja o tim ljudima tamo 19.3. o tim ljudima nema govora do 3.4 ili 4.4.. niti jedne jedine riječi, jedne whatsap poruke, fejsa, twitera. ničeg, nula. da se te snimke mogu premotavat kak se kome kurac digne premotali bi na trenutak samog čina ili približno i znalo bi se točno koji datum je u igri pogotovo jer ti kažeš da je bilo vedro, znači svi uvjeti ispunjeni.

U jebote!! ovo je stvarno za anale

rat je gotov za dva do tri tjedna, neću ti objašnjavat jer nema apsolutno nikakvog smisla.

ma kakvi, rat je završio za 3 dana, ukrajina denacificizirana, banderovci smjenjeni, ukri dočekali ruse sa cvijećem i ruskim zastavama, Kijev oslobođen... ma sve što je putin pričao sve se ostvarilo e!

ok, ti si bivši časnik.

ja sam i sada časnik a ti si i dalje hm hm jebiga
Ajde reci zbog čega navijaš za ruse kod jasne i nedvosmislene agresije istih na Ukrajinu koja im nikada nije bila prijetnja?

zato sto je ljevicar radikalniji..a dobro se zna da ce ljevicar biti uz ruse radi nekakve nostalgije za socijalistickim vremenima..znas sto je hitrec napisao..dobro on i ekipa znaju da rusi nisu cvjecka ali rus uvijek mirise na socijalizam ljevicarstvo..

To je specifičnost na forumu, ili kod nas obćenito...
Na zapadu su tzv. liberali i militantni vakseri redom na strani ukrajine dok to nije slučaj s 'konzervama' i antivakserima...
Misli se na tzv. obične građane a ne vlasti...
Jutros čitam 52% francuza smatra da je rusija imala barem jedan opravdan razlog za vojnu akciju...
Smatram da je nepovjere u političare i medije koji su se u posljednje 2 godine deklarirali kao lažovi, kriminalci i diktatori, tome presudno pridonijelo...
Ljudi jednostavno sve manje vjeruju službenoj priči...

...moras znati da je i u francskoj oko 30 ako ne i vise nesluzbeno ne francuskog domicilnog stanovnistva vecinom afrikanaca koji su po defaultu za onog protiv koga je francuska vlast..onda tu su skupine radikalnih ljevicara i desnicara koji su isto tako automatski protiv ako je vlast za narocito ako je vlast centar....

ljubo1212 wrote:Between the months of April and May, the German capital Berlin saw more than 100,000 rape cases according to hospital reports, while East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia saw more than 1.4 million rape cases.

Natalya Gesse, who was a Soviet war correspondent at the time, said that the Soviets didn’t care about the ages of their victims. “The Russian soldiers were raping every German female from eight to eighty. It was an army of rapists,” she said.
This caused the deaths of no less than 200,000 girls and women due to the spread of diseases, especially that many eyewitnesses recounted victims being raped as much as 70 times in that period.

In his book, Zapotoczny said that even female Russian soldiers did not disapprove of the rapes, some finding it amusing.

nisu samo od bolesti, masu ih se ubilo nakon grupnih silovanja

nego di je nestala ona glupa tuka koja navodno ima pičku među nogama a brani silovatelje čak ne jer voli ruse nego jer voli bit antiprotivna i pravit se pametna a nije pročitala ništa u životu osim letka sa sniženjima iz konzuma?

red wolf wrote:

AssadNaPodmornici wrote:inače ukraincima u ovom trenu se raspoređuju američki dronovi kamikaze.
pazi činjenice - amerikanci sami nisu stigli uvesti u svoju vojsku dronove kamikaze, a sada ti dronovi kamikaze dolaze ukraincima.. koji će ih testirati na nesretnim rusima..

imate dvije vrste.. swtichblade 300 koji ima domet ovako izglave 10ak km, i ima explozivno punjenje puno gelera koje može potamaniti nekoliko pješaka na hrpi, ili uništiti nešto lako oklopljeno tipa kamion, džip, itd.. zatim imamo switchblade 600, koji je težak 25kg, ima i domet nekoliko destaka km(zaboravih) i može uništitit bilo šta.. nosi praktički projektil od javelina u sebi, i zabije se u metu.. uništi bilo što ..nadam se da ćemo gledati neka videa uskoro, da će ukrainci snimiti koji mobitelom i podijeliti

Zapadno oružje se pokazalo jako uspješno u borbama u Ukrajini.

da..
jer vecina oruzja od rusa je iz sedamdesetih i osamdesetih narocito oklopne postrojbe...brodovi..ali i helici..rusi jos masovno nisu poceli proizvoditi oruzje koje su konstruirali u zadnjih par godina..vec u manjim kolicinama i ne zele riskirati.nepotrebne gubitke u tome..ali realno upravo sad im nedostaje to oruzje..jedino sto su uporabili od novih oruzja to su bile one hipersonicne rakete..i onaj radar od kojih je jedan pao u ruke ukrima i to ih jebeno boli jer je to bio jedan od najmpdernijih radarskih sustava u svijetu i sad ce zavrsit u rukama amera i taj sustav je za ruse izgubio vrijednost odmah..rusi imaju moderan pzo sustav koji su razvili zadnjih desetak i kusur godina ali on im slabo vrijedi u ovom ratu jer ukrima je gotovo unisteno zrakoplovstvo..

marcellus wrote:nego di je nestala ona glupa tuka koja navodno ima pičku među nogama a brani silovatelje čak ne jer voli ruse nego jer voli bit antiprotivna i pravit se pametna a nije pročitala ništa u životu osim letka sa sniženjima iz konzuma?

Takve glupače ko ona a koje žive na Zapadu, triba hapsit i onda lišit slobode i prodat na granici Rusima za nekih....a recimo pet tisuća kuna.

Neka je vode sebi doma.

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RayMabus wrote:Nekoliko vojnika iz Donbasa dobilo je tako pušku zvanu Mosin, koja je konstruirana još krajem 19. stoljeća i izašla iz proizvodnje prije nekoliko desetljeća, prema riječima trojice ljudi koji su vidjeli ročnike iz separatističke regije kako koriste to oružje. Slike objavljene na društvenim mrežama, a koje Reuters nije mogao neovisno provjeriti, prikazuju borce Donbasa s puškama Mosin.

U jednom svom tvitu, "Kanadski ukrajinski dragovoljac" na Twitteru se pita: "Ruski ročnici iz Donjecka i Luganska. Oprostite, ali jesam li se ovo probudio u 1975-oj? Kakvo im je ovo sranje na glavi – kahlica?":

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https://slobodnadalmacija.hr/vijesti/svijet/unaprijed-otpisani-ruski-rocnici-u-donbasu-nose-puske-iz-19-stoljeca-piju-iz-ribnjaka-s-mrtvim-zabama-a-naredeno-im-je-da-na-sebe-privlace-vatru-kako-bi-ukrajinci-tako-razotkrili-svoje-polozaje-1181681

To je jedna od najboljih pušaka ikada napravljena...
Pogotovo s optikom...
Gle, ja sam na 1. teren nosio CZ lovački karabin i 20 metaka, podijelili nam u PP što su sakupili od ljudi po gradu...
Kad sam nakon mjesec dana dobio M-48, 2 ručne bombe M-57 i ruksak municije, ko mi je bio ravan...

koji lovački karabin...

Crvena zastava...
Municija winchester 30-06...

i to si veliš 1991. Nosio na teren

Da, na 1. teren...
Koji je bio akcija 'male bare'...
Zauzimanje skladišta oružja u pločama...
Šta sam drugo mogao nositi...

ok