Amerima je dosta Zelenskog

by RayMabus Wed 26 Jan - 16:57

Pusti vodu neka govna odu.

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Dan ranije je i sam Zelensky izjavio kako je vrijeme da se iz obrane prijeđe u ofanzivu i da ukrajinski narod želi da se krene u oslobađanje okupiranih krajeva zemlje.

https://www.ex-iskon-pleme.com/t50202-zelensky-vrijeme-je-da-narod-ukrajine-krene-iz-obrane-u-napad

by **Hektorović** Wed 26 Jan - 16:58

https://puck.news/inside-the-biden-putin-chess-match/?utm_code=julia%40puck.news

by epikur37 Wed 26 Jan - 17:15

oni čekaju da on gurne zemlju u rat s rusijom a on nikako...

pa kakav je to saveznik...to je pička

treba naći drugu budalu

by RayMabus Wed 26 Jan - 17:15

Najlakši način da se Biden a i Amerika iz ovoga izvuče čistog obraza je da nađe žrtvenog jarca kojeg će optužiti za nastalu krizu.

Zelensky. Kad su došle Demokrate on je javno počeo govoriti o Ukrajini u NATO i čak prijetit članicama NATOa ako ga ne prime.

PA PA

by RayMabus Wed 26 Jan - 17:27

Moj post jučer na drugoj temi :

by RayMabus Today at 3:01

Možda je vrijeme da tebi netko razbije njušku i da završimo tu priču.

To šta ti želiš napadat su civili, Rusi, ukrajinski državljani.

Kad napadneš to onda ide prekid isporuke svih energenata iz Rusije u Europu i ekonomski slom a pošto je ta tvoja prčija ekonomski povezana s tim ekonomijama a ne Amerikom, onda će ta tvoja prčija od države doživit ekonomski kolaps.

I nitko se neće bavit s vama jer će cijela Evropa bit u kolapsu.

Možda je vrijeme da ti ja razbijem tu njušku i huškačku retoriku ?

Šta misliš o tome ? Dođem i fizički te prebijen ko vola u kupusu.

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https://www.ex-iskon-pleme.com/t50202-zelensky-vrijeme-je-da-narod-ukrajine-krene-iz-obrane-u-napad

by RayMabus Wed 26 Jan - 17:29

Da razjasnimo neke stvari. Ode Trump i dođu Demokrati a Zelenskom izbori za dvije godine i odma odjednom priča kako Ukrajina ide u NATO i čak prijeti članicama ako ga ne prime. Izazovu eksalaciju itd i sad Amerika šalje Stingere i Javeline al to je obrambeno oružje i on kad je to dobio fino izjavi : sad smo spremni za napad.

Lik hapsi političku konkurenkciju, rješava ju se, taj rat mu je bitan da dobije izbore.

U prevodu lik da bi dobio sljedeće izbore spreman je izazvat rat.

Sad će ga se Biden rješiti.

by **Hektorović** Thu 27 Jan - 9:49

https://intellinews.com/ragozin-zelenskiy-swimming-in-the-shark-infested-waters-of-friends-and-foes-233028/

Zelenskiy swimming in the shark infested waters of friends and foes

The chief of Ukraine’s Security Council, Oleksiy Danilov, can hardly be accused of being an appeaser of the Kremlin. It was he who signed off the sanctions against Putin’s man in Ukraine, Viktor Medvedchuk, the head of the Political Council of the Opposition Platform, For Life Party, at the beginning of 2021. That was one element in what appeared to be a co-ordinated attempt by Ukraine and the US to change the delicate equilibrium established after the hot phase of war in Ukraine’s breakaway Donbas region in 2014-15.
Other elements included exerting pressure on Russia to alter the Minsk agreements in Ukraine’s favour, a push for activating Nato membership for Ukraine, derailing the Nord Stream 2 gas project, challenging Russia in the Black Sea and putting Crimea back on the international agenda. These policy goals were listed in Atlantic Council’s strategy for Biden’s administration published in the early March of 2021.
It was this abrupt change of tack in Ukraine’s behaviour in the first two months of Biden’s presidency that has likely prompted the amassing of Russia troops at the Ukrainian border at the end of the same month. Their menacing presence continues up to the moment. Observers with better knowledge of regional politics and Putin’s patterns see it as a show of force that backs up Russia’s negotiating position but is unlikely to result in war. The White House has chosen to interpret it, at least publicly, as a threat of imminent invasion.
A year after it all started, Ukraine and the US are hardly speaking with one voice.
Interviewed by the BBC on January 24, Danilov accused Western allies of spreading panic by hyping up the possibility of Russian invasion. He claimed that the scaremongering, primarily fuelled by the US and the UK, was harming Ukraine and benefiting Putin. He also speculated that it might be driven by domestic and geopolitical considerations in the countries it emanates from.
While thanking Western allies for voicing support and sending weapons to repel Russian aggression, he warned them against trying to manipulate Ukraine.
Danilov mentioned that he even attempted to argue with the Washington Post after it ran an article on October 30, which was the first in a massive wave of alarmist publications and official statements in the US highlighting the allegedly high risk of war in Ukraine. But he said the newspaper wouldn’t listen to him.
The WaPo piece was based on comments by anonymous US officials claiming there was a serious uptick in October in the number of Russian troops deployed near the Ukrainian border. These comments were backed up by military analyst Michael Kofman, who in the next few weeks emerged as a vocal proponent of the looming invasion narrative. But it also contained a quote by Danilov who contradicted the premises of the story by putting the number of Russian troops massed at the border at 80,000 to 90,000, the same or even lower than what was estimated back in the spring.
In the weeks that followed the publication, top US officials, including President Biden and State Secretary Blinken, were raising the alarm volume to the level, which made observers talk about a repeat of the 1962 Cuban crisis. The Kremlin kept its poker face and dismissed the claims of imminent invasion as “madness”.
Towards the end of January, US officials began sounding as if they were annoyed by Putin failing to live up to their dark predictions. “He has to do something,” President Biden said on January 20.
Danilov is not the only Ukrainian official who has been trying to play down the invasion hype. On January 18, Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba warned Ukrainians against being stirred up by “horror stories”. Next day, President Volodymyr Zelenskiy released a video address in which he said that risks of renewed Russian aggression weren’t any higher than any time in the previous eight years, when Putin ordered the occupation of Crimea and instigated a bloody war in Donbas. He said Ukrainians should stay calm and vigilant instead of falling for manipulative messaging that strives to sow panic.
One larger than life reason for the Ukrainian government to be much more restrained than its Western allies is their concern about the economy. Since the beginning of the year, the hryvnia has lost 4.5% of its value year to date, falling to UAH28.83 as of January 25 – a four-year low – while Ukrainian Eurobonds were sold at default alert levels, even though the main macroeconomic indicators didn’t suggest the possibility of a default.
Russian markets were showing the exact same trends, but Ukraine can’t boast anything remotely similar to Russia’s massive gold and currency reserves, which will definitely allow it to weather this as well as much more serious calamities.
But the economy is just one of the reasons for Ukraine’s caution. Its analysis of military risks is also in stark contrast with the one that guides US and British officials, as they push the imminent invasion narrative.
A report by the Centre of Defence Strategies, a think-tank close to Ukraine’s Ministry of Defence, concluded that “a full-scale invasion capturing most or all of Ukraine in the near future seems unlikely” – not just in the coming weeks, but throughout 2022. However, it stated that “other threatening scenarios could materialise”.
Although it put the number of Russian troops near the Ukrainian border at 127,000, which is about 30% higher than usually cited, it also claimed that there had been no increase since it all started in April. That directly contradicts the American claims about a major uptick in October and November, which have triggered the invasion scare.
Crucially, according to the Ukrainian analysts, Russia is still short of forces to conduct a large-scale operation, while some of the critical elements necessary for the invasion, such as medical units, are simply absent from the picture.
Yet there is a more delicate and fundamental issue, which explains Ukraine’s wariness. Dealing with the US has never been easy for Zelenskiy since day one of his presidency and even before that. Already during his presidential campaign in 2018 and early 2019, the DC elite showed the utmost disdain about a Russian-speaking comedian running on the platform of seeking compromise with Putin and letting Ukrainians decide on Nato membership at a referendum, the result of which would be hard to predict.
It applauded when the losing side in the election, incumbent president Petro Poroshenko, used the last months before his humiliating defeat to push through a constitutional amendment which declared Ukraine’s goal of joining Nato, as well as discriminatory ethno-nationalist legislation which severely limited the use of the Russian language in education and everyday life.
Poroshenko proceeded to declare all of these as “red lines”, threatening another revolution, should Zelenskiy choose to change any of that, even though the new president enjoyed an unprecedentedly broad support across Ukraine. The threat of a coup by a militant minority, composed of nationalist activists and war veterans, continued to dog Zelenskiy throughout his presidential term.
Enter Donald Trump, who tried to coerce Zelenskiy into backing up accusations against Joe Biden and his son Hunter, and linked the latter’s employment by a company of an oligarch from the camp of ex-president Viktor Yanukovych, ousted by the Maidan revolution. Trump tried to bully the Ukrainian president by denying military aid needed by Ukraine to defend itself against Russia.
Biden’s victory over Trump renewed hopes that the US leadership might start treating Ukraine as a genuine ally, not expendable material in its global rivalry with Russia as well as in domestic political squabbles. Before the US elections in 2020, the freshly dismissed Ukrainian ex-premier Oleksiy Honcharuk moved to the US and embarked on a very long tour of the country, meeting with political and business leaders, in what appeared to be an attempt by Ukraine and its American allies to lay groundwork for a better co-ordinated joint strategy once Trump is gone.
“I think you will see some results of these activities in January,” he told National Interest for a story published on the first day of 2021.
In no time these results did emerge in the shape of Zelenskiy clamping down on Medvedchuk and his TV channels, launching a massive campaign for Nato membership and all in all radically changing tack from his previously dovish and compromise-seeking position on the conflict with Russia. His new stance was backed up by think-tanks and lobbyists close to the Biden administration, especially the Atlantic Council, which receives some of its largest donations from Ukrainian oligarchs.
It wasn’t a success, to put it mildly. Perhaps because Putin’s heavy-handed response to this plan was never a part of the calculation, Zelenskiy achieved exactly nothing from what was envisaged in the Atlantic Council’s strategy for the Biden administration published in March 2021.
The Nato membership action plan, promised in case Russia shows “intransigence” by refusing to compromise on Donbas, failed to materialise, despite the Kremlin showing maximum intransigence. Hopes that the Greens would win the election in Germany and derail Nord Stream 2 project were also shattered.
Worse than that, throughout the year Zelenskiy has been forced to devote significant time and attention to an attempt by the radical part of the security community, close to Poroshenko, to launch an impeachment process through the so-called Wagnergate affair. They claimed that Zelenskiy committed an act of treason through a last-minute cancellation of a madcap plan, hatched by Ukrainian military intelligence, which envisaged the forced landing of a civilian Turkish plane carrying mercenaries from the infamous Russian Wagner group. The affair resulted in an open rebellion by the military intelligence chief, which Zelenskiy had to put down in September.
By the time the US went into red alert mode over “imminent” Russian aggression, Zelenskiy was clearly more preoccupied with domestic politics and the threat of a coup. His messaging became confused as he tried to link his foes, such as oligarch Rinat Akhmetov and ex-president Poroshenko to Russia, while it was clear that if any great power were behind them, then it would be the United States of America.
Akhmetov is one of the top sponsors of the Atlantic Council. The militant street movement, which backs Poroshenko and keeps the threat of a new Maidan alive, is run by Andriy Levus, an activist and former security official directly linked to diaspora organisations created by Nazi collaborators who found refuge in North America under the auspices of the CIA.
The Ukrainians have reasons to suspect that the United States and Britain, with their radical rhetoric unmatched by the real level of threat as well as their enthusiasm about “brave Ukrainians” fighting and dying for the Western cause, are prepared to throw Ukraine under the bus so as to get Russia bogged down in a devastating war. The vision of “a new Chechen war” was evoked by British PM Boris Johnson. Former Obama administration official Evelyn Farkas went as far as calling for the US to form a new “coalition of the willing” and engage in a direct conflict with Russia over Ukraine.
Zelenskiy also has good reasons to believe that his allies see him as an impediment. As Julia Ioffe put in her piece for Puck, “the White House and its Democrat allies have just about had it with President Zelenskiy”. Three sources in Biden's administration and the Capitol she spoke to described the Ukrainian president as “annoying, infuriating and downright counterproductive”.
Ukraine has an America problem on top of its Russia nightmare. Never groomed to be a professional politician, not to mention a national leader, Zelenskiy has to demonstrate the utmost skill to prevent great powers from turning his country into a battlefield.

by RayMabus Thu 27 Jan - 12:40

Zelenski pliva u vodama prijatelja i neprijatelja zaraženih morskim psima

Šef ukrajinskog Vijeća sigurnosti, Oleksiy Danilov, teško se može optužiti da je pomiritelj Kremlja. Upravo je on početkom 2021. potpisao sankcije Putinovom čovjeku u Ukrajini, Viktoru Medvedčuku, šefu Političkog vijeća oporbene platforme Stranke Za život. To je bio jedan od elemenata onoga što se činilo suradnicima. organizirani pokušaj Ukrajine i SAD-a da promijene delikatnu ravnotežu uspostavljenu nakon vruće faze rata u ukrajinskoj otcijepljenoj regiji Donbas 2014-15.

Ostali elementi uključivali su vršenje pritiska na Rusiju da promijeni sporazume iz Minska u korist Ukrajine, nastojanje da se Ukrajina aktivira članstvo u NATO-u, izbacivanje plinskog projekta Sjeverni tok 2 iz tračnica, izazivanje Rusije u Crnom moru i vraćanje Krima na međunarodni dnevni red. Ti su ciljevi politike navedeni u strategiji Atlantic Councila za Bidenovu administraciju objavljenoj početkom ožujka 2021.

Upravo je ova nagla promjena u ponašanju Ukrajine u prva dva mjeseca Bidenovog predsjedništva vjerojatno potaknula gomilanje ruskih vojnika na ukrajinskoj granici krajem istog mjeseca. Njihova prijeteća prisutnost traje do sada. Promatrači koji bolje poznaju regionalnu politiku i Putinove obrasce vide to kao demonstraciju sile koja podupire rusku pregovaračku poziciju, ali je malo vjerojatno da će rezultirati ratom. Bijela kuća odlučila je to protumačiti, barem javno, kao prijetnju neposredne invazije.
Godinu dana nakon što je sve počelo, Ukrajina i SAD gotovo da ne govore jednim glasom.

U intervjuu za BBC 24. siječnja, Danilov je optužio zapadne saveznike za širenje panike raspirujući mogućnost ruske invazije. Tvrdio je da zastrašivanje, koje su prvenstveno potaknule SAD i Velika Britanija, šteti Ukrajini i koristi Putinu. Također je nagađao da bi to moglo biti vođeno domaćim i geopolitičkim razmatranjima u zemljama iz kojih dolazi.
Zahvaljujući zapadnim saveznicima što su dali podršku i poslali oružje za odbijanje ruske agresije, upozorio ih je da ne pokušavaju manipulirati Ukrajinom.

Danilov je spomenuo da je čak pokušao raspravljati s Washington Postom nakon što je objavio članak 30. listopada, koji je bio prvi u masivnom valu alarmantnih publikacija i službenih izjava u SAD-u u kojima se naglašava navodna visoka opasnost od rata u Ukrajini. Ali rekao je da ga novine neće slušati.

WaPo se temelji na komentarima anonimnih američkih dužnosnika koji tvrde da je u listopadu došlo do ozbiljnog porasta broja ruskih vojnika raspoređenih u blizini ukrajinske granice. Ove komentare podržao je vojni analitičar Michael Kofman, koji se u sljedećih nekoliko tjedana pojavio kao glasni zagovornik narativa o nadolazećoj invaziji. No, sadržavao je i citat Danilova koji je proturječio pretpostavkama priče stavljajući broj ruskih vojnika na granici na 80.000 do 90.000, što je isto ili čak niže od onoga što je procijenjeno još u proljeće.

U tjednima koji su uslijedili nakon objave, najviši američki dužnosnici, uključujući predsjednika Bidena i državnog tajnika Blinkena, podizali su glasnoću uzbune na razinu, zbog čega su promatrači govorili o ponavljanju kubanske krize iz 1962. godine. Kremlj je zadržao svoje pokeraško lice i odbacio je tvrdnje o neizbježnoj invaziji kao "ludilo".
Potkraj siječnja američki dužnosnici počeli su zvučati kao da ih nervira što Putin nije ispunio njihova mračna predviđanja. "Mora nešto učiniti", rekao je predsjednik Biden 20. siječnja.

Danilov nije jedini ukrajinski dužnosnik koji pokušava umanjiti pomisao o invaziji. Ministar vanjskih poslova Dmytro Kuleba je 18. siječnja upozorio Ukrajince da ih ne uzburkaju "horor priče". Sljedećeg dana predsjednik Volodimir Zelenski objavio je video obraćanje u kojem je rekao da rizici od obnove ruske agresije nisu bili ništa veći nego bilo kada u prethodnih osam godina, kada je Putin naredio okupaciju Krima i potaknuo krvavi rat u Donbasu. Rekao je da bi Ukrajinci trebali ostati mirni i budni umjesto da nasjedaju na manipulativne poruke koje nastoje posijati paniku.

Jedan veći od života razlog zašto ukrajinska vlada bude mnogo suzdržanija od svojih zapadnih saveznika je njihova zabrinutost za gospodarstvo. Od početka godine, grivna je izgubila 4,5% svoje dosadašnje vrijednosti, pala je na 28,83 UAH od 25. siječnja – što je najniži nivo u četiri godine – dok su ukrajinske euroobveznice prodane po zadanim razinama upozorenja, iako je glavni makroekonomski pokazatelji nisu upućivali na mogućnost neizvršenja obveza.

Ruska tržišta pokazivala su potpuno iste trendove, ali Ukrajina se ne može pohvaliti ničim sličnim ruskim ogromnim rezervama zlata i valute, što će joj definitivno omogućiti da prebrodi ovu, kao i mnogo ozbiljnije nesreće.

No, ekonomija je samo jedan od razloga za oprez Ukrajine. Njegova analiza vojnih rizika također je u oštroj suprotnosti s onom kojom se vode američki i britanski dužnosnici s, dok guraju narativ o neposrednoj invaziji.

U izvješću Centra za obrambene strategije, think-tanka bliskog ukrajinskom ministarstvu obrane, zaključuje se da se “invazija punog razmjera koja će zauzeti većinu ili cijelu Ukrajinu u bliskoj budućnosti čini malo vjerojatnom” – ne samo u narednim tjednima, već tijekom 2022. Međutim, navedeno je da bi se “mogli ostvariti i drugi prijeteći scenariji”.

Iako je broj ruskih vojnika u blizini ukrajinske granice iznosio 127.000, što je oko 30 posto više nego što se obično navodi, također se tvrdi da nije došlo do povećanja otkako je sve počelo u travnju. To je u izravnoj suprotnosti s američkim tvrdnjama o velikom porastu u listopadu i studenom, koji su pokrenuli strah od invazije.

Ono što je najvažnije, prema ukrajinskim analitičarima, Rusiji još uvijek nedostaju snage za izvođenje operacije velikih razmjera, dok su neki od kritičnih elemenata potrebnih za invaziju, poput medicinskih jedinica, jednostavno odsutni na slici.

Ipak, postoji delikatnije i temeljnije pitanje koje objašnjava oprez Ukrajine. Suočavanje sa SAD nikada nije bilo lako za Zelenskog od prvog dana njegovog predsjedništva, pa čak i prije toga. Već tijekom njegove predsjedničke kampanje 2018. i početkom 2019., DC elita je pokazala krajnji prezir prema komičaru koji govori ruski koji je pokrenuo platformu traženja kompromisa s Putinom i dopuštanja Ukrajincima da odluče o članstvu u NATO-u na referendumu, čiji bi rezultat bio teško predvidjeti.

Zapljeskalo je kada je strana koja je gubila na izborima, sadašnji predsjednik Petro Poroshenko, iskoristio posljednje mjesece prije svog ponižavajućeg poraza da progura ustavni amandman kojim je proglašen cilj Ukrajine da se pridruži NATO-u, kao i diskriminirajuće etnonacionalističko zakonodavstvo koje je ozbiljno ograničilo upotrebu ruskog jezika u obrazovanju i svakodnevnom životu.
Porošenko je sve to proglasio "crvenim linijama", prijeteći još jednom revolucijom, ako Zelenski odluči promijeniti bilo što od toga, iako je novi predsjednik uživao neviđeno široku podršku diljem Ukrajine. Prijetnja pučem od strane militantne manjine, sastavljene od nacionalističkih aktivista i ratnih veterana, nastavila je mučiti Zelenskog tijekom njegova predsjedničkog mandata.

Ulazi Donald Trump, koji je pokušao natjerati Zelenskog da podupire optužbe protiv Joea Bidena i njegova sina Huntera, a povezao je zaposlenje potonjeg u tvrtki oligarha iz tabora bivšeg predsjednika Viktora Janukoviča, svrgnutog revolucijom na Majdanu. Trump je pokušao maltretirati ukrajinskog predsjednika uskraćivanjem vojne pomoći potrebnu Ukrajini za obranu od Rusije.

Bidenova pobjeda nad Trumpom obnovila je nadu da bi američko vodstvo moglo početi tretirati Ukrajinu kao istinskog saveznika, a ne potrošnog materijala u globalnom suparništvu s Rusijom, kao i u domaćim političkim prepirkama. Prije američkih izbora 2020., nedavno smijenjeni bivši ukrajinski premijer Oleksiy Honcharuk preselio se u SAD i krenuo na vrlo dugu turneju po zemlji, sastao se s političkim i poslovnim čelnicima, u onome što se činilo pokušajem Ukrajine i njezinih američkih saveznici da postave temelje za bolju koordiniranu zajedničku strategiju nakon što Trump ode.

"Mislim da ćete vidjeti neke rezultate ovih aktivnosti u siječnju", rekao je za National Interest za priču objavljenu prvog dana 2021.
Ubrzo su se ovi rezultati pojavili u obliku Zelenskog koji je suzbijao Medvedčuka i njegove TV kanale, pokrenuo masivnu kampanju za članstvo u NATO-u i sve u svemu radikalno promijenio svoj stav u odnosu na svoju prijašnju golublju i kompromisnu poziciju o sukobu s Rusijom. Njegov novi stav podržali su trustovi mozgova i lobisti bliski Bidenovoj administraciji, posebno Atlantsko vijeće, koje neke od svojih najvećih donacija prima od ukrajinskih oligarha.

Nije bio uspjeh, blago rečeno. Možda zato što Putinov žestoki odgovor na ovaj plan nikada nije bio dio proračuna, Zelenski nije postigao baš ništa od onoga što je bilo predviđeno strategijom Atlantskog vijeća za Bidenovu administraciju objavljenom u ožujku 2021.
Akcijski plan za članstvo u NATO-u, obećan u slučaju da Rusija pokaže "nepopustljivost" odbijanjem kompromisa o Donbasu, nije se realizirao, unatoč tome što je Kremlj pokazao maksimalnu nepopustljivost. Razbijene su i nade da će Zeleni pobijediti na izborima u Njemačkoj i izbaciti iz tračnica projekt Sjeverni tok 2.

Što je još gore, Zelenski je tijekom cijele godine bio prisiljen posvetiti značajno vrijeme i pažnju pokušaju radikalnog dijela sigurnosne zajednice, bliskog Porošenku, da pokrene proces opoziva kroz takozvanu aferu Wagnergate. Tvrdili su da je Zelenski počinio čin izdaje tako što je u posljednjem trenutku otkazao ludi plan koji su izradile ukrajinske vojne obavještajne službe, a koji je predviđao prisilno slijetanje civilnog turskog zrakoplova koji je prevozio plaćenike iz zloglasne ruske skupine Wagner. Afera je rezultirala otvorenom pobunom šefa vojne obavještajne službe, koju je Zele nski je morao spustiti u rujnu.

U vrijeme kada su SAD ušle u stanje crvene uzbune zbog "neposredne" ruske agresije, Zelenski je očito bio više zaokupljen unutarnjom politikom i prijetnjom puča. Njegove poruke postale su zbunjene dok je svoje neprijatelje, poput oligarha Rinata Ahmetova i bivšeg predsjednika Porošenka, pokušavao povezati s Rusijom, dok je bilo jasno da ako iza njih stoji neka velika sila, onda će to biti Sjedinjene Američke Države.

Ahmetov je jedan od glavnih sponzora Atlantskog vijeća. Militantni ulični pokret, koji podržava Porošenka i održava prijetnju novog Majdana živom, vodi Andriy Levus, aktivist i bivši sigurnosni dužnosnik izravno povezan s organizacijama dijaspore koje su stvorili nacistički suradnici koji su u Sjevernoj Americi našli utočište pod pokroviteljstvom CIA.
Ukrajinci imaju razloga sumnjati da su Sjedinjene Države i Britanija, sa svojom radikalnom retorikom koja ne može premostiti stvarnu razinu prijetnje, kao i svojim entuzijazmom o “hrabrim Ukrajincima” koji se bore i umiru za zapadnjačku stvar, spremne baciti Ukrajinu pod autobus kako bi Rusija zaglibila u razornom ratu. Viziju “novog čečenskog rata” evocirao je britanski premijer Boris Johnson. Bivša dužnosnica Obamine administracije Evelyn Farkas otišla je toliko daleko da je pozvala SAD da formiraju novu "koaliciju voljnih" i uđu u izravan sukob s Rusijom oko Ukrajine.

Zelenskiy također ima dobre razloge vjerovati da ga njegovi saveznici vide kao prepreku. Kao što je Julia Ioffe rekla u svom članku za Pucka, “Bijela kuća i njeni demokratski saveznici upravo su se pobili s predsjednikom Zelenskim”. Tri izvora u Bidenovoj administraciji i Kapitolu s kojim je razgovarala opisali su ukrajinskog predsjednika kao “iritantnog, bijesnog i potpuno kontraproduktivnog”.

Ukrajina ima problem Amerike povrh svoje ruske noćne more. Nikad dotjeran da bude profesionalni političar, a da ne spominjemo nacionalni vođa, Zelenski mora pokazati najveću vještinu kako bi spriječio velike sile da njegovu zemlju pretvore u bojno polje.

by crvenkasti Thu 27 Jan - 12:50

epikur37 wrote:oni čekaju da on gurne zemlju u rat s rusijom a on nikako...

pa kakav je to saveznik...to je pička

treba naći drugu budalu

Nema danas državnika i vizionara poput našeg Tuđmana.

by **Hektorović** Fri 28 Jan - 8:22

Ukrainian official tells CNN Biden's call with Ukrainian President 'did not go well' but White House disputes account

(CNN) — A call between US President Joe Biden and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Thursday "did not go well," a senior Ukrainian official told CNN, amid disagreements over the "risk levels" of a Russian attack.
The White House, however, disputed the official's account, warning that anonymous sources were "leaking falsehoods." They did state that Biden warned Zelensky an imminent invasion is a "distinct possibility."
On the call, which the Ukrainian official described as "long and frank," Biden warned his Ukrainian counterpart that a Russian attack may be imminent, saying that an invasion was now virtually certain, once the ground had frozen later in February, according to the official.
Zelensky, however, restated his position that the threat from Russia remains "dangerous but ambiguous," and it is not certain that an attack will take place, the official said.
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National Security Council spokeswoman Emily Horne disputed the senior Ukrainian official's description of the call. "Anonymous sources are 'leaking' falsehoods," she told CNN. "President Biden said that there is a distinct possibility that the Russians could invade Ukraine in February. He has said this publicly and we have been warning about this for months. Reports of anything more or different than that are completely false."
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The frank discussion between the two leaders comes as the US and NATO continue to brace for the prospect of a Russian invasion. Though they have stressed the need for diplomacy, the White House has warned an invasion could be imminent with tens of thousands of Russian troops massed on the Ukrainian border.
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The call lasted an hour and 20 minutes Thursday, according to a US national security official, highlighting the extensive issues the two leaders had to discuss amid the Russian troop buildup. The official described the call as "long and serious," but "productive," as Biden and Zelensky discussed Russia's recent aggressions.
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Biden told Zelensky that US officials have assessed an invasion could potentially happen in February, but did not say it definitely would, the official said.
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White House says Biden promised US would 'respond decisively' if Russia invades

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A White House readout of the call said that Biden "reaffirmed" to Zelensky that the United States would "respond decisively if Russia further invades Ukraine." Biden also said the US will explore "additional macroeconomic support" to help the Ukrainian economy as a result of Russia's military buildup.
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"President Biden noted the United States has provided Ukraine with over half a billion dollars in development and humanitarian assistance in the last year, and is exploring additional macroeconomic support to help Ukraine's economy amidst pressure resulting from Russia's military build-up," the White House said in the readout.
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[url=safari-reader://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/27/europe/ukraine-russia-news-thursday-lavrov-intl/index.html]A spokesman for Zelensky also disputed the Ukrainian official's characterization of the call. [/url]Zelensky tweeted that he and Biden had a long call where they "discussed recent diplomatic efforts on de-escalation and agreed on joint actions for the future." The Ukrainian President said he thanked Biden for the ongoing military assistance and said "possibilities for financial support to Ukraine were also discussed."
The senior Ukrainian official, however, told CNN that Biden said Ukraine would not be offered significantly more military help.
Zelensky urged his American counterpart to "calm down the messaging," warning of the economic impact of panic, according to the official. He also said Ukrainian intelligence sees the threat differently.
The Ukrainian leader pointed to a recent breakthrough in negotiations with Russia in Paris, saying that he hoped a ceasefire agreement with rebels in eastern Ukraine would be maintained. He also said the talks between the US, Russia and NATO still had some distance to run before diplomatic efforts had been exhausted, the official said.
Earlier in the day, another source from the US side said there is a recognition in the White House that Zelensky has "multiple audiences" and is trying to balance them. "On the one hand, he wants assistance, but he has to assure his people he has the situation under control. That's a tricky balance," the source said.

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Pentagon says Russian buildup is continuing

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Russia's military buildup along the Ukrainian border has increased over the past 24 hours, the Pentagon said Thursday, while the US awaits Russian President Vladimir Putin's response to its written proposals submitted to Moscow on Wednesday.
"We continue to see, including in the last 24 hours, more accumulation of credible combat forces arrayed by the Russians in, again, the western part of their country and in Belarus," Pentagon press secretary John Kirby said at a press briefing.
Kirby described the buildup as "not dramatic" but "also not sclerotic."
The US is still holding out hope that diplomatic efforts with Russia can lead to a de-escalation. On Wednesday, the US and NATO submitted separate written responses to Russia's publicly aired concerns, an overture that Moscow had requested. While the US did not disclose what was contained in the document, Secretary of State Antony Blinken told reporters Wednesday it did not give any ground NATO's "open-door policy," leaving the US at odds with Russia's central demand that NATO commit to never admitting Ukraine.
Putin has read the responses from the US and NATO, a Kremlin spokesman said Thursday, but Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said they failed to address Russia's primary concerns.
"There is no positive reaction on the main issue in this document," Lavrov told reporters in Moscow. "The main issue is our clear position on the inadmissibility of further expansion of NATO to the East and the deployment of strike weapons that could threaten the territory of the Russian Federation."
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Blinken said Thursday he had "heard a variety of initial responses from different people in Russia to the paper that we shared with them, as well as to the paper that NATO shared with them."
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"But the response that counts is President Putin's response, and to the best of our understanding, according the Russians, these papers are on his desk," he said in an interview with Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty.
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"And we'll look forward to his response, which I'm sure will be conveyed through Foreign Minister Lavrov and others in the days ahead. That's what matters most," he said.
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On Thursday evening, US ambassador to the United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield called for a UN Security Council meeting on the crisis to take place on Monday.
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"The commission is responsible for designing, shaping and developing the sanctions," von der Leyen told CNN's Christiane Amanpour. "We are very clear that if there is any further aggression or military aggression of Russia against Ukraine, there will be massive consequences, and severe costs for Russia."

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Pentagon details troops on heightened alert

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Earlier this week, as many as 8,500 US troops were placed on heightened alert to prepare to deploy to Eastern Europe. Those troops include elements of the 82nd airborne division at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, as well as elements of the 18th Airborne Corps, the 101st Airborne Division and the Fourth Infantry Division, Kirby said Thursday.
These units include "medical support, aviation support, logistical support" and "combat formation," the Pentagon spokesman said.
Inside Europe, Kirby said top general of US European Command, Gen. Tod Wolters, was "taking prudent steps" to make sure that US troops based in Europe could be moved within the continent if needed.
The Pentagon was "not ruling out" the possibility that forces in Europe could be moved to "help bolster capabilities of NATO allies," Kirby said.
CNN reported Wednesday that the US and a handful of allies are in discussions to deploy thousands more troops to Eastern European NATO countries before any potential Russian invasion of Ukraine as a show of support in the face of Moscow's ongoing aggression, according to three US officials familiar with the discussions.
Among the countries considering accepting the deployments are Romania, Bulgaria, and Hungary. The deployments would number approximately 1,000 personnel to each country and would be similar to the forward battle groups currently stationed in the Baltic States and Poland.
"We take our NATO commitment seriously. And we're going to be consulting with allies as we have been certainly in coming days. And if there's ways in which we can help bolster their capabilities to help their defensive postures, we're going to take a serious look at that," Kirby said.
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by **Hektorović** Fri 28 Jan - 8:23

Hektorović wrote:Ukrainian official tells CNN Biden's call with Ukrainian President 'did not go well'

by epikur37 Fri 28 Jan - 8:37

Zašto više ne napadaju Ruse....u pm...toliko ih Ameri potpaljuju a još ništa.

Kvragu.

by epikur37 Fri 28 Jan - 8:41

Eskalacija odgovara jedino Americi, rat bi bio poguban za sve

https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/eskalacija-odgovara-jedino-americi-rat-bi-bio-poguban-za-sve-1558708

by vili40 Fri 28 Jan - 8:49

amerikanci i briti bi silom postavili poligon i to baš u europi daleko od njih.Onako malo da testiraju i pročačkaju ruse a to što će drugi(opet) najebati njih ne jebe ni pola posto.A odgovara im i to što će oslabiti i opelješiti europu onako da malo spuste konkurenciju.Kina im je ipak malo veći problem,tamo ne nasjedaju na njihove fore.

by epikur37 Fri 28 Jan - 11:31

Orban: Mađarska želi više ruskog plina

by crvenkasti Fri 28 Jan - 11:33

epikur37 wrote:Orban: Mađarska želi više ruskog plina

Izdajnik mađarski.

by **kic** Fri 28 Jan - 11:37

by **AssadNaPodmornici** Fri 28 Jan - 11:38

jel krenuo rat? šta kažu mediji? autobusi navodno umrlih pređhlađenih viiše nisu nikome napeti, sada mediji i politika treba neku novu krizu da plaše javnost sa inflacijom i osiromašivanjem i oduzimanjem ljudskih prava što su napravili političari i mediji

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