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by Hektorović 9/1/2020, 07:29
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Re: Amerikanci iznenađeni preciznošću Iranskih raketa
by Hektorović 9/1/2020, 07:38
Uopće nisu gađali pustinju nego su precizno pogodili infrastrukturu za dronove
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Re: Amerikanci iznenađeni preciznošću Iranskih raketa
by Hektorović 9/1/2020, 08:13
Hektorović wrote:
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Re: Amerikanci iznenađeni preciznošću Iranskih raketa
by Hektorović 9/1/2020, 11:12
Postavlja se pitanje zašto Ameri u Iraku nemaju baš nikakvu PZO kod svoje glavne baze.đ
Iranci su bez ograničenja građali što su htjeli.
Priča o "pucanju u pustinju" ne stoji nakon analiza satelitskih snimaka, točno su znali gdje je infrastruktura za dronove i helikoptere.
Iranci su bez ograničenja građali što su htjeli.
Priča o "pucanju u pustinju" ne stoji nakon analiza satelitskih snimaka, točno su znali gdje je infrastruktura za dronove i helikoptere.
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Re: Amerikanci iznenađeni preciznošću Iranskih raketa
by Guest 9/1/2020, 13:46
Iranci upravo objavili kako su zavrsili s osvetom za svog djenerala.
Moja sucut nekim forumasima geostratezima. Prepoznat ce se.
Idemo dalje.
Moja sucut nekim forumasima geostratezima. Prepoznat ce se.
Idemo dalje.
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Re: Amerikanci iznenađeni preciznošću Iranskih raketa
by mutava baštarda 9/1/2020, 13:49
Odličan potez Trumpa, uzeo je prokušanu Asadovu strategiju.
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Re: Amerikanci iznenađeni preciznošću Iranskih raketa
by Hektorović 9/1/2020, 13:50
Sovak wrote:Iranci upravo objavili kako su zavrsili s osvetom za svog djenerala.
Moja sucut nekim forumasima geostratezima. Prepoznat ce se.
Idemo dalje.
Od kud ti to?
SENIOR IRANIAN GUARDS COMMANDER SAYS MISSILE ATTACKS ON U.S. TARGETS STARTED OPERATION THAT WILL CONTINUE ACROSS REGION - STATE TV
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Re: Amerikanci iznenađeni preciznošću Iranskih raketa
by Hektorović 9/1/2020, 13:52
mutava baštarda wrote:Odličan potez Trumpa, uzeo je prokušanu Asadovu strategiju.
Evo neki su se zezali na ruski račun kad je trump 2017te napao kako to da ameri gađaju baze u siriji a ruska vojska ne odgovara, sad vidimo da se i amerima dogodio apsolutno isti scenarij...
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Re: Amerikanci iznenađeni preciznošću Iranskih raketa
by mutava baštarda 9/1/2020, 13:53
S tim da su Sirijci bar nešto oborili...Hektorović wrote:mutava baštarda wrote:Odličan potez Trumpa, uzeo je prokušanu Asadovu strategiju.
Evo neki su se zezali na ruski račun kad je trump 2017te napao kako to da ameri gađaju baze u siriji a ruska vojska ne odgovara, sad vidimo da se i amerima dogodio apsolutno isti scenarij...
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Re: Amerikanci iznenađeni preciznošću Iranskih raketa
by Guest 9/1/2020, 13:54
Hektorović wrote:Sovak wrote:Iranci upravo objavili kako su zavrsili s osvetom za svog djenerala.
Moja sucut nekim forumasima geostratezima. Prepoznat ce se.
Idemo dalje.
Od kud ti to?
SENIOR IRANIAN GUARDS COMMANDER SAYS MISSILE ATTACKS ON U.S. TARGETS STARTED OPERATION THAT WILL CONTINUE ACROSS REGION - STATE TV
Sluzbeno priopcenje iranskog ambasadora u UN-u. Bilo na HRT-u.
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Re: Amerikanci iznenađeni preciznošću Iranskih raketa
by Guest 9/1/2020, 14:04
''Naša akcija je bila proporcionalna ubistvu Kasema Solejmanija. Naša akcija je završena. Ako Amerikanci ne budu vojno delovali protiv Irana, što se nas tiče, nećemo uzvratiti", rekao je Taht-Ravanči, odgovarajući na pitanje agencije Tas o reakciji Teherana na izjavu američkog predsednika Donalda Trampa.?''
Ne volim koristiti ove izvore, ali bilo je i na HRT-u u podnevnom dnevniku.
Ovi nounari iz nasih medija su valjda na rucku, pa jos nisu natipkali na portalima.
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Ovi nounari iz nasih medija su valjda na rucku, pa jos nisu natipkali na portalima.
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Re: Amerikanci iznenađeni preciznošću Iranskih raketa
by G2xE 9/1/2020, 14:09
Hektorović wrote:Postavlja se pitanje zašto Ameri u Iraku nemaju baš nikakvu PZO kod svoje glavne baze
Vjerojatno i uobraženost do određene mjere. Očekuju indirektne napade ne ovako izravno. A i da ne znam kakvu obranu imaju kad im koordinirano lupe ovako s više rakete kako ćeš to braniti.
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Re: Amerikanci iznenađeni preciznošću Iranskih raketa
by Hektorović 9/1/2020, 14:29
G2xE wrote:Hektorović wrote:Postavlja se pitanje zašto Ameri u Iraku nemaju baš nikakvu PZO kod svoje glavne baze
Vjerojatno i uobraženost do određene mjere. Očekuju indirektne napade ne ovako izravno. A i da ne znam kakvu obranu imaju kad im koordinirano lupe ovako s više rakete kako ćeš to braniti.
1500 ljudi imaju u toj bazi... a da nisu imali apsolutno nikakvu PZO
Inače 10 raketa nije saturacijski napad... to je PZO mogao odraditi
morala je biti velika bježanija kad su saznali da kreće napad jer su iranci izvjestili iračane navodno samo desetak minuta ranije.
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Re: Amerikanci iznenađeni preciznošću Iranskih raketa
by Hektorović 9/1/2020, 14:30
Sovak wrote:Sluzbeno priopcenje iranskog ambasadora u UN-u. Bilo na HRT-u.
To je diplomatska priča
I Ajatola je rekao da je ovo tek šamar na licu...
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Re: Amerikanci iznenađeni preciznošću Iranskih raketa
by Guest 9/1/2020, 16:26
Imaju,i koristili su,ali se nisu proslavili..Patriot 2 sustavi..Hektorović wrote:Postavlja se pitanje zašto Ameri u Iraku nemaju baš nikakvu PZO kod svoje glavne baze.đ
Iranci su bez ograničenja građali što su htjeli.
Priča o "pucanju u pustinju" ne stoji nakon analiza satelitskih snimaka, točno su znali gdje je infrastruktura za dronove i helikoptere.
no prije ce i krepeti,nego priznati u javnosti..Citao jucer u RIA.ru...cijela analiza od strane rusije..
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Re: Amerikanci iznenađeni preciznošću Iranskih raketa
by Guest 9/1/2020, 16:34
Hektorović wrote:Sovak wrote:Sluzbeno priopcenje iranskog ambasadora u UN-u. Bilo na HRT-u.
To je diplomatska priča
I Ajatola je rekao da je ovo tek šamar na licu...
Joj ... koji samar jebote?
Ubod komarca.
Mozda.
Gle, nitko ne sumnja da ce Iran preko Hezbolaha i drugih satelita pikati po Amerima, Izraelu i njihovim interesima.
Pa pikao je i do sada.
Neobjavljeni ograniceni rat Amerike (i Izraela) i Irana traje stalno otkad je islamske republike sto ovakvim napadima, sto teroristickim napadima.
No od velikog istjerivanja Amera iz Perzijskog zaljeva nista. Prdac.
Iranci nemaju snage.
Iranci i Iracani su vodili rat 8 godina da bi na kraju bili u pat poziciji.
Ameri su razvalili Iracane za cetiri tjedna.
To je realan odnos snaga.
Da hoce, za isto toliko bi razvalili i Iran.
Samo je pitanje 'sto poslije'?
I zato Ameri ne idu dalje. Ovako im bolje.
Jednog dana Ameri ce se povuci iz tog dijela svijeta. Ali kad sami to odluce, a ne zato sto se musavim sijitima to prohtjelo.
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Re: Amerikanci iznenađeni preciznošću Iranskih raketa
by Guest 9/1/2020, 20:01
[size=32]Trump pushes for new Iran strike
January 9, 2020
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Later the U.S. permanent representative to the UN, Kelly Kraft were sent to the security Council, the international organization's letter, where he expressed Washington's readiness to start negotiations with Iran. According to her, the us is ready to negotiate without preliminary agreements and seeking "to prevent further threats to international peace and stability or escalation from the Iranian regime."
However, in Tehran, Washington's proposal was rejected. "As long as the US continues to insist on the hostility, negotiations have no meaning", – said the permanent representative of Iran to the UN Majid Takht-Ravanchi, adding that the unprecedented U.S. sanctions against Iran are contrary to international norms.
In this earlier Takht-Ravanchi said that Iran has completed the revenge for the murder of General Qassem Soleimani and will not take further military action in the absence of aggression by Washington.
We will remind, on Wednesday night in response to the murder Soleimani of Iran caused the strikes on military targets in Iraq. Then Donald trump said that "Americans should be very grateful and happy: none of the Americans was hurt," and "all is well!". Thus, according to trump, the States are going to impose against Iran and new sanctions to prevent Tehran's nuclear weapons. In UN such a statement, trump was viewed as a step towards de-escalation.
Thus the short-term threat of large-scale hostilities between the US and Iran had passed, the head of the Federation Council Committee on international Affairs Konstantin Kosachev. According to the Senator, between Tehran and Washington has been "kind of "zeroing" claims, when each of the parties considers himself the winner, each retained the "last word".
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"Starts a new game of "who will blink first", and this game is the best of any new air strikes and new attacks on the Embassy. A separate part of this game – "nuclear deal" which Washington will be as if nothing had happened to try to revive on its own terms, although Tehran your conditions certainly will not give up now under any circumstances. The question now is consistency of approach in the rest of the participants AGREEMENT. And the fate of sanctions, of course", concluded Kosachev.
At the same time the Chairman of the Federation Council Commission on information policy Alexei Pushkov believesthat trump was "done sensibly", stepping back from its threats against Iran. "No Republican, including the "hawks" demanded trump military response to the attack by Iran on the bases. War with Iran is unpopular in the US and would bury trump, if he decided on her. Stepping back from his threats, he acted sensibly. But to stay in Iraq, the US will be more difficult," – wrote Pushkov in his Twitter.
In turn, the TV host Vladimir Solovyov believesthat trump is much less emotional than it might seem, and extremely pragmatic. "Trump is a businessman, not a warrior. Direct military conflict he prefers the noose of economic sanctions. The sanctions perceived as a method of warfare," said the presenter in his Telegramchannel.
The trump "easy play to increase the bets, knowing full well that the location of military bases gives the US a huge advantage in special operations and attacks on enemy territory"."Intensification of sanctions and saber rattling, the psychological pressure, it seems that the attack is imminent and... time for new sanctions," – said Solovyov.
Experts also note that the President of the United States have pushed Iran to the failure of the key restrictions in the nuclear deal for the construction of centrifuges. "And now Iran has put in a completely hopeless situation," – said the Professor of the philosophical faculty of Moscow state University, scientist-americanist Boris Mezhuev.
"The declared policy of regime change in Iran without any attempt to hide this intention. To achieve this, the U.S. plan with the suffocating economic sanctions and threats to start a major war in case of any attempt of resistance, whether it be the creation of a nuclear program, implementation of the strategy of regional expansion than just doing Soleimani, or a recap of a recent symbolic strikes by Iran on American targets," said Mezhuev the newspaper VIEW.
Because the statements of Washington and Tehran about de-escalate you do not have a real reason, the source said. In his opinion, the situation soon develops in the opposite direction. "Despite the fact that trump talked about diplomacy, we see no hints of it. If the leadership of the United States demanded Iran to abandon its nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief, but today nothing similar happens. Us sanctions will remain in force, roughly, forever," – said Mezhuev.
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He noted that today there are two version of the situation. Or between Tehran and Washington held secret talks with the mediation of other countries, as it was under Barack Obama, "but this is the least likely scenario". Either trump is waiting for the formal pretext for the start of full-scale hostilities.
According to the expert, "the most dangerous thing in this situation is that Iran makes no demands".
"And most likely Iran will continue implementing its nuclear program, because the only way to protect against USA is to announce the availability of a nuclear bomb. But American intelligence to quickly calculate the this fact and start a war. The world has not stepped back from the precipice, which was the killing of Soleimani," said Mezhuev.
The General Director of the Russian international Affairs Council (RIAC) Andrei Kortunov also agreed that relations between Iran and the United States will remain strained. "There are not just distrust and deep hostility. At negotiations, trump also reinforces the economic pressure and sanctions. So for the next year, at least until the US presidential elections, we see positive developments," said Fyodor Lukyanov the newspaper VIEW.
The parties will continue mutual show of force and provocation, the expert assumes. "Subjected to pressure from Iran could be U.S. allies in the region. First is Israel and the conservative Gulf monarchies. And the US will try to further strengthen the sanctions regime, including by putting pressure on their allies, who are not ready for these sanctions to join. Here, too, there is a risk for further deterioration," he explained.
"Because if trump wants to negotiate with Tehran, including a new nuclear deal – Washington needs to follow the path of lifting the sanctions and Iran's involvement in global trade, without preventing investment in this country. The negotiations can go. Besides Merkel, soon arrives in Moscow, and this would be a major issue in the negotiations with the President of Russia", – concluded the Kortunov.
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January 9, 2020
Photo: REUTERS/Marco Bello[/size]
Despite claims of de-escalation of the conflict between the US and Iran, both sides develop a policy of confrontation. Tehran refused to negotiate with Washington because of the sanctions, while the US President ordered to strengthen economic pressure on Iran over its nuclear program. According to experts, Donald trump puts the Islamic Republic in a desperate situation that can only lead to war.
After five days of balancing on the brink of war, the United States and Iran still exchanged text messages about de-escalation occurred between them of the conflict. On Thursday told the British Financial Times. According to the publication, contact through informal channels was carried out with the mediation of Switzerland.Later the U.S. permanent representative to the UN, Kelly Kraft were sent to the security Council, the international organization's letter, where he expressed Washington's readiness to start negotiations with Iran. According to her, the us is ready to negotiate without preliminary agreements and seeking "to prevent further threats to international peace and stability or escalation from the Iranian regime."
However, in Tehran, Washington's proposal was rejected. "As long as the US continues to insist on the hostility, negotiations have no meaning", – said the permanent representative of Iran to the UN Majid Takht-Ravanchi, adding that the unprecedented U.S. sanctions against Iran are contrary to international norms.
In this earlier Takht-Ravanchi said that Iran has completed the revenge for the murder of General Qassem Soleimani and will not take further military action in the absence of aggression by Washington.
We will remind, on Wednesday night in response to the murder Soleimani of Iran caused the strikes on military targets in Iraq. Then Donald trump said that "Americans should be very grateful and happy: none of the Americans was hurt," and "all is well!". Thus, according to trump, the States are going to impose against Iran and new sanctions to prevent Tehran's nuclear weapons. In UN such a statement, trump was viewed as a step towards de-escalation.
Thus the short-term threat of large-scale hostilities between the US and Iran had passed, the head of the Federation Council Committee on international Affairs Konstantin Kosachev. According to the Senator, between Tehran and Washington has been "kind of "zeroing" claims, when each of the parties considers himself the winner, each retained the "last word".
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[size][size][size][size]Yandex.Direct18+[/size][/size][/size][/size]"Starts a new game of "who will blink first", and this game is the best of any new air strikes and new attacks on the Embassy. A separate part of this game – "nuclear deal" which Washington will be as if nothing had happened to try to revive on its own terms, although Tehran your conditions certainly will not give up now under any circumstances. The question now is consistency of approach in the rest of the participants AGREEMENT. And the fate of sanctions, of course", concluded Kosachev.
At the same time the Chairman of the Federation Council Commission on information policy Alexei Pushkov believesthat trump was "done sensibly", stepping back from its threats against Iran. "No Republican, including the "hawks" demanded trump military response to the attack by Iran on the bases. War with Iran is unpopular in the US and would bury trump, if he decided on her. Stepping back from his threats, he acted sensibly. But to stay in Iraq, the US will be more difficult," – wrote Pushkov in his Twitter.
In turn, the TV host Vladimir Solovyov believesthat trump is much less emotional than it might seem, and extremely pragmatic. "Trump is a businessman, not a warrior. Direct military conflict he prefers the noose of economic sanctions. The sanctions perceived as a method of warfare," said the presenter in his Telegramchannel.
The trump "easy play to increase the bets, knowing full well that the location of military bases gives the US a huge advantage in special operations and attacks on enemy territory"."Intensification of sanctions and saber rattling, the psychological pressure, it seems that the attack is imminent and... time for new sanctions," – said Solovyov.
Experts also note that the President of the United States have pushed Iran to the failure of the key restrictions in the nuclear deal for the construction of centrifuges. "And now Iran has put in a completely hopeless situation," – said the Professor of the philosophical faculty of Moscow state University, scientist-americanist Boris Mezhuev.
"The declared policy of regime change in Iran without any attempt to hide this intention. To achieve this, the U.S. plan with the suffocating economic sanctions and threats to start a major war in case of any attempt of resistance, whether it be the creation of a nuclear program, implementation of the strategy of regional expansion than just doing Soleimani, or a recap of a recent symbolic strikes by Iran on American targets," said Mezhuev the newspaper VIEW.
Because the statements of Washington and Tehran about de-escalate you do not have a real reason, the source said. In his opinion, the situation soon develops in the opposite direction. "Despite the fact that trump talked about diplomacy, we see no hints of it. If the leadership of the United States demanded Iran to abandon its nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief, but today nothing similar happens. Us sanctions will remain in force, roughly, forever," – said Mezhuev.
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[size][size][size][size]Yandex.Direct[/size][/size][/size][/size]He noted that today there are two version of the situation. Or between Tehran and Washington held secret talks with the mediation of other countries, as it was under Barack Obama, "but this is the least likely scenario". Either trump is waiting for the formal pretext for the start of full-scale hostilities.
According to the expert, "the most dangerous thing in this situation is that Iran makes no demands".
Anything about the US not heard. Even Saddam Hussein had to disarm, although the weapon, which was discussed, was the fiction. Now a trump from Iran does not require anything. This refers to a simple "cease to exist" – the interlocutor explained."What you have to do Tehran to return at least in the space of the global economy? What actions to take, but to kill yourself?
"And most likely Iran will continue implementing its nuclear program, because the only way to protect against USA is to announce the availability of a nuclear bomb. But American intelligence to quickly calculate the this fact and start a war. The world has not stepped back from the precipice, which was the killing of Soleimani," said Mezhuev.
The General Director of the Russian international Affairs Council (RIAC) Andrei Kortunov also agreed that relations between Iran and the United States will remain strained. "There are not just distrust and deep hostility. At negotiations, trump also reinforces the economic pressure and sanctions. So for the next year, at least until the US presidential elections, we see positive developments," said Fyodor Lukyanov the newspaper VIEW.
The parties will continue mutual show of force and provocation, the expert assumes. "Subjected to pressure from Iran could be U.S. allies in the region. First is Israel and the conservative Gulf monarchies. And the US will try to further strengthen the sanctions regime, including by putting pressure on their allies, who are not ready for these sanctions to join. Here, too, there is a risk for further deterioration," he explained.
"Because if trump wants to negotiate with Tehran, including a new nuclear deal – Washington needs to follow the path of lifting the sanctions and Iran's involvement in global trade, without preventing investment in this country. The negotiations can go. Besides Merkel, soon arrives in Moscow, and this would be a major issue in the negotiations with the President of Russia", – concluded the Kortunov.
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Re: Amerikanci iznenađeni preciznošću Iranskih raketa
by Counter-Strike 10/1/2020, 00:50
zanimljiva analiza,po mom misljenju ici ce ka eskalaciji,strategija trampa o nekom kontrolisanom haosu,je nerealna,on ne razumije ni ameriku a kamoli bliski istok
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Re: Amerikanci iznenađeni preciznošću Iranskih raketa
by AlfaOmega 10/1/2020, 12:48
Qiam-1, inače derivat Shahab-2 rakete, ka i Zolfaghar, inačica Fateh-110 rakete, imaju domet od cca 750 km. Karakterizira ih mala bojeva glava, što jasno pokazuje da nisu išli na to da Amerima jebu mater, neg čisto da im na fin i civiliziran način pokažu da triba da chill out, što su Ameri i uradili, jel.
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