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..ne Mogu ti Ameri bez tudje pameti,..Kopiraju tehnologiju svapsku iz WW2.. :D
In late 2018, aerospace and defence giant Northrop Grumman passed a development review of its B-21 program, a secretive flying-wing strategic bomber design meant to succeed the B-2 Spirit. However, as it turns out, the company has also been tinkering with some unique designs developed in the 1940s by a certain central European country.
In September 2008, in preparation for a 2009 National Geographic documentary called 'Hitler's Stealth Fighter', a team of engineers from Northrop Grumman dusted off the last surviving airframe from a Horten Ho 229 V3 prototype Nazi bomber design at a Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum storage facility in Maryland to engage in testing of the aircraft's stealth properties.
Building a mockup of the aircraft using "modern techniques," including stereo-lithography, engineers were able to simulate its performance against period British Chain Home radar network components, designed to help ward off Luftwaffe attacks.
H.IX V1 drawings.
The project was given serious consideration, with testing carried out at a California-based radar cross-section (RCS) test facility, with imagine techniques "utilized to understand the main RCS scattering sources of the Horten 229 V3," according to the museum.
Their findings, presented in 2010 at an aviation conference in Texas, proved somewhat disappointing.
As National Interest contributor and Ho 229 enthusiast Sebastien Roblin recently wrote, the Nazis' "flying wings would have been detected at a distance 80 percent that of a standard German [Messerschmitt] Bf. 109 fighter," a stock fighter design introduced in 1937 which served as the backbone of the Luftwaffe's fighter forces during the war.
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PHOTO of Mystery Flying-Wing Shaped Craft at Nevada Air Base Allegedly Altered in Google Maps
At the same time, Roblin pointed out that it was "maximizing speed and range, not stealth," which was "the primary motivation behind the bat-shaped jet plane."
The Ho 229 design was created by the Horten Brothers, a pair of Luftwaffe fighter pilots who previously served as design consultants to aircraft manufacturers during the early war.
Luftwaffe supreme commander Hermann Göring laid out the design specifications for the plane in 1943, requesting that it be capable of flying 1,000 km per hour, have a range of 1,000 km, and be capable of carrying 1,000 kg-worth of bombs. The design was aimed at outrunning enemy fighters, and was put forth amid the devastating losses faced by the Luftwaffe bomber force on both the Western and Eastern Fronts by this point in the war.
The revolutionary flying-wing shaped design was aimed at dramatically improving the Ho 229's aerodynamic properties to save fuel and increase its speed, and was returned to by the US military designers (but with stealth, rather than fuel conservation and speed, in mind) in the 1980s.
Never leaving the prototype stage by the end of the war, the Ho 229 did not become one of Hitler's 'Wunderwaffe' or 'Miracle Weapons' meant to turn the tide against the Allies. However, the bomber design did receive intense interest abroad, with the US military launching Operation Paperclip, aimed at snatching up Nazi weapons technology, including the Ho 229, to prevent it from making it into the hands of the US's erstwhile Soviet allies.
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Horten Ho 229 being unloaded after making it into the hands of the US military.
Interestingly, just one year after the Ho 229 program's designs made it into the hands of US engineers, Northrop Corporation unveiled the YB-35, a flying wing bomber design fitted out with turboprop engines incredibly similar to the German plane. Like many aviation powers at the time, Northrop had been experimenting with flying wing designs since the early 1940s, and it remains unclear just how much influence the Ho 229 design had on the YB-35 program, which was canceled in 1949 due to a bevy of technical problems.
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XB-35 in flight.
In their 2008 tests, Northrop Grumman engineers did find that the Ho 229's main design feature – speed, could have proven devastating to the Allies if fielded in time. As Roblin recalled, the Ho 229's speed "could have exceeded the maximum speed of the best Allied fighters of its time by as much as 33 percent," meaning that even though the planes could have been spotted by radar, "detection time would not have mattered greatly if it could outrun everything sent to intercept it."
Indeed, in a 2016 interview, Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum aeronautics curator Russell Lee said the bottom line of the Northrop Grumman engineers' 2008 study concluded that "they couldn't say the aircraft was any stealthier than a regular sheet of plywood."
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'No One by That Name in the SS': Russian Historian Pokes Holes in 'Nazi Gold & Treasure Diary' Story
The legend of the Ho 229 serving as a proto-stealth aircraft may have been started by co-designer Reimar Horten, who fled to Argentina after the war and claimed in 1983 that his flying wing design was meant to feature a kind of proto-stealth capability via the use of radar-absorbing materials including charcoal to reduce the chances of detection. However, a 2014 conference paper concluded that "no tangible evidence exists to support or refute this claim."[/size]
https://sputniknews.com/military/201903161073301767-northrop-ho-229-testing-mystery/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com
In September 2008, in preparation for a 2009 National Geographic documentary called 'Hitler's Stealth Fighter', a team of engineers from Northrop Grumman dusted off the last surviving airframe from a Horten Ho 229 V3 prototype Nazi bomber design at a Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum storage facility in Maryland to engage in testing of the aircraft's stealth properties.
Building a mockup of the aircraft using "modern techniques," including stereo-lithography, engineers were able to simulate its performance against period British Chain Home radar network components, designed to help ward off Luftwaffe attacks.
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[size]H.IX V1 drawings.
The project was given serious consideration, with testing carried out at a California-based radar cross-section (RCS) test facility, with imagine techniques "utilized to understand the main RCS scattering sources of the Horten 229 V3," according to the museum.
Their findings, presented in 2010 at an aviation conference in Texas, proved somewhat disappointing.
As National Interest contributor and Ho 229 enthusiast Sebastien Roblin recently wrote, the Nazis' "flying wings would have been detected at a distance 80 percent that of a standard German [Messerschmitt] Bf. 109 fighter," a stock fighter design introduced in 1937 which served as the backbone of the Luftwaffe's fighter forces during the war.
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[size]PHOTO of Mystery Flying-Wing Shaped Craft at Nevada Air Base Allegedly Altered in Google Maps
At the same time, Roblin pointed out that it was "maximizing speed and range, not stealth," which was "the primary motivation behind the bat-shaped jet plane."
The Ho 229 design was created by the Horten Brothers, a pair of Luftwaffe fighter pilots who previously served as design consultants to aircraft manufacturers during the early war.
Luftwaffe supreme commander Hermann Göring laid out the design specifications for the plane in 1943, requesting that it be capable of flying 1,000 km per hour, have a range of 1,000 km, and be capable of carrying 1,000 kg-worth of bombs. The design was aimed at outrunning enemy fighters, and was put forth amid the devastating losses faced by the Luftwaffe bomber force on both the Western and Eastern Fronts by this point in the war.
The revolutionary flying-wing shaped design was aimed at dramatically improving the Ho 229's aerodynamic properties to save fuel and increase its speed, and was returned to by the US military designers (but with stealth, rather than fuel conservation and speed, in mind) in the 1980s.
Never leaving the prototype stage by the end of the war, the Ho 229 did not become one of Hitler's 'Wunderwaffe' or 'Miracle Weapons' meant to turn the tide against the Allies. However, the bomber design did receive intense interest abroad, with the US military launching Operation Paperclip, aimed at snatching up Nazi weapons technology, including the Ho 229, to prevent it from making it into the hands of the US's erstwhile Soviet allies.
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[size]Horten Ho 229 being unloaded after making it into the hands of the US military.
Interestingly, just one year after the Ho 229 program's designs made it into the hands of US engineers, Northrop Corporation unveiled the YB-35, a flying wing bomber design fitted out with turboprop engines incredibly similar to the German plane. Like many aviation powers at the time, Northrop had been experimenting with flying wing designs since the early 1940s, and it remains unclear just how much influence the Ho 229 design had on the YB-35 program, which was canceled in 1949 due to a bevy of technical problems.
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[size]XB-35 in flight.
In their 2008 tests, Northrop Grumman engineers did find that the Ho 229's main design feature – speed, could have proven devastating to the Allies if fielded in time. As Roblin recalled, the Ho 229's speed "could have exceeded the maximum speed of the best Allied fighters of its time by as much as 33 percent," meaning that even though the planes could have been spotted by radar, "detection time would not have mattered greatly if it could outrun everything sent to intercept it."
Indeed, in a 2016 interview, Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum aeronautics curator Russell Lee said the bottom line of the Northrop Grumman engineers' 2008 study concluded that "they couldn't say the aircraft was any stealthier than a regular sheet of plywood."
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[size]'No One by That Name in the SS': Russian Historian Pokes Holes in 'Nazi Gold & Treasure Diary' Story
The legend of the Ho 229 serving as a proto-stealth aircraft may have been started by co-designer Reimar Horten, who fled to Argentina after the war and claimed in 1983 that his flying wing design was meant to feature a kind of proto-stealth capability via the use of radar-absorbing materials including charcoal to reduce the chances of detection. However, a 2014 conference paper concluded that "no tangible evidence exists to support or refute this claim."[/size]
https://sputniknews.com/military/201903161073301767-northrop-ho-229-testing-mystery/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com
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Re: ..ne Mogu ti Ameri bez tudje pameti,..Kopiraju tehnologiju svapsku iz WW2.. :D
samo jedan od hitlerovih nedovrsenih projekata,kao i atomska bomba
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The Republic of Dream wrote:samo jedan od hitlerovih nedovrsenih projekata,kao i atomska bomba
To su bili gotovi projekti..spremni za proizvodnju...
Pogledaj malo Messerschmit-Me-209..prvi jet engine lovac na svijetu..
ako vidis na linku sliku,u ovaj projekt su vec bili ugradili dva mlazna motora,samo su falila krila..
njukova bumba je bilo isto korak od realizacije...od koga bi inace jemeri iskopirali svoju prvu njukovu bumbu??'
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Re: ..ne Mogu ti Ameri bez tudje pameti,..Kopiraju tehnologiju svapsku iz WW2.. :D
sve nesto kontam da ameri nisu kompletirali a bombu,kako bi zavrsio rat sa Japancima,moguce je da bi i dobili po guzici,ovima je ostalo par hiljada kamikaza,brodova,podmornica,oklopa i teskih cijevi,ako bi ameri dobili bilo bi to pirova pobjeda,inace jedina 2 rata koja priznajem amerima kao pravu a ne holivud pobjedu su rat protiv japana i britanaca
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Pardon..oznaka je Me-262..
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The Republic of Dream wrote:sve nesto kontam da ameri nisu kompletirali a bombu,kako bi zavrsio rat sa Japancima,moguce je da bi i dobili po guzici,ovima je ostalo par hiljada kamikaza,brodova,podmornica,oklopa i teskih cijevi,ako bi ameri dobili bilo bi to pirova pobjeda,inace jedina 2 rata koja priznajem amerima kao pravu a ne holivud pobjedu su rat protiv japana i britanaca
Navodno po izjavi americkih generala,uspjeli bi slomiti Japan,ali uz projicirane zrtve od oko 500 000 vojnika..
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Messershmit i Junker su 2 razlicita aviona ako sam dobro razumio,a navodno taj Me-262 je imao motor od junkera i napravljeno ih je 1.430 komada
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taj rat ih je ekonomski preporodio,fabrike su radile punom parom,stancale oruzje za front,prije tog rata je amerika vise manje bila kolonija tifusarapismejker wrote:The Republic of Dream wrote:sve nesto kontam da ameri nisu kompletirali a bombu,kako bi zavrsio rat sa Japancima,moguce je da bi i dobili po guzici,ovima je ostalo par hiljada kamikaza,brodova,podmornica,oklopa i teskih cijevi,ako bi ameri dobili bilo bi to pirova pobjeda,inace jedina 2 rata koja priznajem amerima kao pravu a ne holivud pobjedu su rat protiv japana i britanaca
Navodno po izjavi americkih generala,uspjeli bi slomiti Japan,ali uz projicirane zrtve od oko 500 000 vojnika..
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Re: ..ne Mogu ti Ameri bez tudje pameti,..Kopiraju tehnologiju svapsku iz WW2.. :D
Ne znam bas detalje...kakogod,negdasnji svapski Wermacht je bio najbrutalnija sila u tome trenu na svijetu..da su isli onako protiv najjacih sila se pojedinacno fajtati,slomili bi i Rusiju i Jemeriku..
no ratovali su u Europi,sjevernoj africi,na atlantiku..jos ponegdje,uglavnom protiv ostatka svijet.a.
danasnja svapska vojska je tuga ziva naspram wermachta..
no ratovali su u Europi,sjevernoj africi,na atlantiku..jos ponegdje,uglavnom protiv ostatka svijet.a.
danasnja svapska vojska je tuga ziva naspram wermachta..
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Ameri bi svakako dobili rat odnosno japanci bi ga izgubili.The Republic of Dream wrote:sve nesto kontam da ameri nisu kompletirali a bombu,kako bi zavrsio rat sa Japancima,moguce je da bi i dobili po guzici,ovima je ostalo par hiljada kamikaza,brodova,podmornica,oklopa i teskih cijevi,ako bi ameri dobili bilo bi to pirova pobjeda,inace jedina 2 rata koja priznajem amerima kao pravu a ne holivud pobjedu su rat protiv japana i britanaca
Predaja Japana nije toliko zbog A-bombi, kažu neki da je više zbog prijetnje ruske invazije na otok a to bi za japse bilo jebeno. Car bi im završio na galgama a oni postali komunistička prčija, kao mi, a to im je bilo neprihvatljivo pa su se radje predali Amerima koji su im ostavili sve kako je i bilo i još im pomogli obnovit zemlju.
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Re: ..ne Mogu ti Ameri bez tudje pameti,..Kopiraju tehnologiju svapsku iz WW2.. :D
ne samo oruzje,nego su jemericke kompanije otvorile put u druge drzave,docekivane kao spasitelji svijeta..dobivali su bijanko papire za sve sto su htjeli..investirali su u obnovu Europe i njenih gradova...masni profit ostvarivali...The Republic of Dream wrote:taj rat ih je ekonomski preporodio,fabrike su radile punom parom,stancale oruzje za front,prije tog rata je amerika vise manje bila kolonija tifusarapismejker wrote:The Republic of Dream wrote:sve nesto kontam da ameri nisu kompletirali a bombu,kako bi zavrsio rat sa Japancima,moguce je da bi i dobili po guzici,ovima je ostalo par hiljada kamikaza,brodova,podmornica,oklopa i teskih cijevi,ako bi ameri dobili bilo bi to pirova pobjeda,inace jedina 2 rata koja priznajem amerima kao pravu a ne holivud pobjedu su rat protiv japana i britanaca
Navodno po izjavi americkih generala,uspjeli bi slomiti Japan,ali uz projicirane zrtve od oko 500 000 vojnika..
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pa u evropi poslije sloma,francuske,poljske i osatlih zemalja nije nije bilo fajta,osim neke gerile tu i tamo,sa britancima su se mlatili avijacijom i drzali njihov otok u okruzenju sa podmornicama a na kopnu su se fajtali u africi,znaci otprilike 90% hitlerove vojske bilo je U Rusiji na istocnom frontu,bilo je nelogicno (a to su mu i njegovi generali govorili) ostaviti britaniju nedovrsenu i ici na Rusiju
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to je sad zacarani krug,potrebno je stancati oruzje da bi se zaradila lova ali ako nema ratova kome je potrebno oruzje,zato se dosta kriza i napetosti mora izazvati na umjetni nacin,samo da bi se prodala amercka shklopocija bogatim kozojebima,japancima i ko kod ima love to platitipismejker wrote:ne samo oruzje,nego su jemericke kompanije otvorile put u druge drzave,docekivane kao spasitelji svijeta..dobivali su bijanko papire za sve sto su htjeli..investirali su u obnovu Europe i njenih gradova...masni profit ostvarivali...The Republic of Dream wrote:taj rat ih je ekonomski preporodio,fabrike su radile punom parom,stancale oruzje za front,prije tog rata je amerika vise manje bila kolonija tifusarapismejker wrote:The Republic of Dream wrote:sve nesto kontam da ameri nisu kompletirali a bombu,kako bi zavrsio rat sa Japancima,moguce je da bi i dobili po guzici,ovima je ostalo par hiljada kamikaza,brodova,podmornica,oklopa i teskih cijevi,ako bi ameri dobili bilo bi to pirova pobjeda,inace jedina 2 rata koja priznajem amerima kao pravu a ne holivud pobjedu su rat protiv japana i britanaca
Navodno po izjavi americkih generala,uspjeli bi slomiti Japan,ali uz projicirane zrtve od oko 500 000 vojnika..
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Kakogod..svapska tehnologija je kako nekada,tako i danas vrlo napredna..mozemo samo zamisljati sto se krije u dobro skrivenim laboratorijima..
U svabiji te vrlo rado,kad apliciras na posao,pitaju,da li posjedujete neko znaje u vezi visoke tehnologije ,ili daj Boze neki patent ili inovaciju..tada mozes pregovarati o visini place...vole istrazivati,ludi su za znanosti,u svim podrucjima..
U svabiji te vrlo rado,kad apliciras na posao,pitaju,da li posjedujete neko znaje u vezi visoke tehnologije ,ili daj Boze neki patent ili inovaciju..tada mozes pregovarati o visini place...vole istrazivati,ludi su za znanosti,u svim podrucjima..
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A šta će im vojska ? Za Arape im je dovoljan Gestapo. Protiv koga će ti Nijemci ratovat ?pismejker wrote:
danasnja svapska vojska je tuga ziva naspram wermachta..
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Re: ..ne Mogu ti Ameri bez tudje pameti,..Kopiraju tehnologiju svapsku iz WW2.. :D
gestapo imaju... ..i vrlo su ucinkoviti..RayMabus wrote:A šta će im vojska ? Za Arape im je dovoljan Gestapo. Protiv koga će ti Nijemci ratovat ?pismejker wrote:
danasnja svapska vojska je tuga ziva naspram wermachta..
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da,i u medicini su odskocili od amera,a ovaj kramp tramp nemoze slisliti njemacka auta,prave im koonkurenciju,nemogu prodavati americku sklopocijupismejker wrote:Kakogod..svapska tehnologija je kako nekada,tako i danas vrlo napredna..mozemo samo zamisljati sto se krije u dobro skrivenim laboratorijima..
U svabiji te vrlo rado,kad apliciras na posao,pitaju,da li posjedujete neko znaje u vezi visoke tehnologije ,ili daj Boze neki patent ili inovaciju..tada mozes pregovarati o visini place...vole istrazivati,ludi su za znanosti,u svim podrucjima..
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