Progresivan i pohvalan prijedlog iz Švedske

Stribor wrote:Dojdu divlji i dok pitomi shvatiju ke su im nakane budu potirani.

Jebeš te pitome koji izbacuju krst iz crkve. Za bolje i nisu.

http://www.dagen.se/biskopen-vill-%C3%B6ppna-kapell-f%C3%B6r-fler-religioner-1.401832

http://www.thelocal.se/20150209/swedish-church-threatened-over-pro-muslim-service
http://www.svenskakyrkan.se/default.aspx?id=1318087

Eva Brunne, who was made the world’s first openly lesbian bishop by the church of Sweden in 2009, and has a young son with her wife and fellow lesbian priest Gunilla Linden, made the suggestion to make those of other faiths more welcome.

The church targeted is the Seamen’s mission church in Stockholm’s eastern dockyards. The Bishop held a meeting there this year and challenged the priest to explain what he’d do if a ship’s crew came into port who weren’t Christian but wanted to pray.

Calling Muslim guests to the church “angels“, the Bishop later took to herofficial blog to explain that removing Christian symbols from the church and preparing the building for Muslim prayer doesn’t make a priest any less a defender of the faith. Rather, to do any less would make one “stingy towards people of other faiths”.

The bishop insisted this wasn’t an issue, after all airports and hospitals already had multi-faith prayer rooms, and converting the dockyard church would only bring it up to speed. Regardless, the announcement has aroused protest.

Father Patrik Pettersson, one of the priests in her diocese and active in the same parish as the Seaman’s mission church has hit back in a blog of his own, complaining there is no way you could equate a consecrated church with a prayer room, remarking “I should have thought a bishop would be able to tell the difference”.

Calling the bishop’s words “theologically unthinking”, he asked what was to be done with crucifixes screwed to the walls, and heavy items such as baptismal fonts.

“Ignoring the rhetorical murmuring”, Pettersson wrote: “The only argument bishop Eva really put forward in support of her view is ‘hospitality’… How do you respond to that? Not much of a basis for discussion, as one colleague put it. The theological, ecclesiological, pastoral and working issues are left untouched”.

The actual priest at the Seaman’s mission was left nonplussed by the comments of the Bishop when contacted by Dagen.se for comment.

As an independent mission the church operates outside of the diocese, and so the bishop has no authority there, a fact reflected by the response of the church director who said the bishop’s words were her business alone.

When asked whether she would be removing the cross from her church, Kiki Wetterberg responded: “I have no problem with Muslim or Hindu sailors coming here and praying. But I believe that we are a Christian church, so we keep the symbols. If I visit a mosque I do not ask them to take down their symbols. It’s my choice to go in there”.

The upper echelons of the Church of Sweden, much like other national churches across Europe, seem to be fully invested in the diversity mission. Back in February, a parish church in multicultural paradise Malmö declared it would be holding a service in solidarity with the local Muslim community as a protest against a march by anti-Islamisation movement PEGIDA in the city.

The priest responsible told media: “During the protest, the Swedish Church is going to hold a service where we express joy for our city and our Muslim friends.

“There is strong support for diverse cultures in Malmö and it is important that the church is there to support that”.

Malmö is Sweden’s gateway to Europe, and is the main point of ingress to the Nordic nations for the thousands of migrants travelling through Europe from Africa and the East who have decided to make it home.

As a major bottleneck into the region, with a single bridge and ferry route connecting the country to the rest of Europe, the arrival of these migrants has heralded an unprecedented level of criminality in the city, as explained toBreitbart London by a recently retired senior police officer last month. Describing the ‘no-go’ zones that have sprung up around the city and calling for greater border controls to get criminal migration under control, Chief Superintendent Torsten Elofsson said:

“Years ago you could go with two officers, no problem. Now you have to send four officers and two cars – if the fire brigade want to go, they have to take a police escort. They throw stones and try to stop the fireman from putting out fires.

“They sabotage the police cars. You can’t leave them unguarded – when you come back to it you find the windows smashed and the tyres deflated. It isn’t quite a no-go zone, but we have had to develop special routines to go there”.

http://ex-iskon.forumcroatian.com/t2622-progresivan-i-pohvalan-prijedlog-iz-svedske

Prvi sam primjetio ovaj poželjan prijedlog cijenjene teologinje.

Le Roi Soleil wrote:Švedska luteranska biskupinja zatražila da se maknu križevi iz crkve kako bi se muslimani osjećali dobrodošli

Prva deklarirana biskupinja lezbijka u Švedskoj luteranskoj crkvi te prva žena u registriranom istospolnom partnerstvu koja je došla na tu poziciju (u vezi je sa svećenicom), Eva Brunne, predložila je da se iz crkve u stockholmskoj luci maknu sva kršćanska obilježja te označi smjer Meke.

Koliko pizdarija u samo dvije rečenice...treba ovo probaviti, sutra ću na članak

Le Roi Soleil wrote:http://ex-iskon.forumcroatian.com/t2622-progresivan-i-pohvalan-prijedlog-iz-svedske

Prvi sam primjetio ovaj poželjan prijedlog cijenjene teologinje.

vidim :) jbg-a toliko me je oduševio da se bio brzoplet

Stribor wrote:

Haha glupi Švedi :D

Postoji razlog zašto je Isus crkvu ostavio Petru, tj. muškarcima. Muškarci su manje povodljivi, a Petar je stijena, a stijena se ne mjenja ili barem ne u vremenskom periodu kojeg bi mi zamjetili. Cirkus.

epikur37 wrote:to su oni baronovi luterani, protestanti su i onako sekte.....

Nisu svi isti, pogotovo ima kvalitetnih luteranskih Crkvi; da se razgovarati i surađivati, kulturološki smo si blizu.

Ipak Švedska Luteranska je prva među istima otišla k vragu, i čini se da je u tome vrlo temeljita.

2/3 Šveđana su članovi ove Crkve, preko 6 M ljudi.

Primat (primatica? ) je nadbiskupica Antje Jackelén, i prva je žena tog ranga primljena u Vatikanu kod Papice Franceka (svibanj 2015):

http://pulse.ng/religion/vatican-pope-francis-meets-with-female-archbishop-id3735299.html

Tribat će Švedska minjat zastavu. Gdo je vidil križ imati na zastavi? To vridja muslimane.
Pokihdob i samonazivajućim naprednjakom - liberalom i livičarom (tzv. sekularisti) takaj smeta križ očekivati je njihovu koordinaciju. Ili malo kasnim. Oni jur imaju koordinaciju.

Zanimljivo kako je švedski parlament 1958. godine poništio odluku Crkve da se ne dopusti ređenje žena. Danas se ne dopušta ređenje onih muškaraca koji ne bi htjeli surađivati sa svećenicama.

During the 20th century the Church of Sweden oriented itself strongly towards liberal Christianity and human rights. In 1957, the church assembly rejected a proposal for ordination of women, but then the Riksdag changed the law in spring 1958 and forced the church assembly to accept the new law in autumn 1958.

Since 1960, women have been ordained as priests, and since 1994, men who oppose collaboration with women priests have not been allowed ordination.

A proposal to perform same-sex weddings was approved on October 22, 2009 by 176 of 249 voting members of the Church of Sweden Synod.

Čitam na netu kako plavokose Šveđanke farbaju kosu u tamnije boje da izbjegnu napastovanja, kad na radiju...

Undervaluing of women’s work and skills
Women’s skills and competences are often undervalued, especially in occupations where
they are in the majority. This results in lower rates of pay for women. For example, phys
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ical tasks, which tend to be carried out by men, are often valued more favourably than
those carried out by women. For instance, a
female cashier in a
supermarket earns less
than a
man working in the stockroom


a glass ceiling sprecava kasirku da ide radit u skladiste...... nego evo vam pdf vicevi 


      http://ec.europa.eu/justice/gender-equality/files/gender_pay_gap/140319_gpg_en.pdf

Osiromašeni ljudi su prvi izvor obraćenika za masovne pokrete: skloni su kriviti sve druge za svoje trenutne nesreće, samo ne sebe. Potom oni koji su imali velike nade i snove koje nisu realizirali, i općenito gubitnici.
       u samoj prirodi radikalnih ideologija je diktatura! U masovnim pokretima, pojedinci, njihovi ciljevi i mišljenja, su nevažni. Umjesto toga, traži se potčinjavanje kolektivitetu i postojanje isključivo kroz njega, a to nužno znači i pokoravanje
      Da biste bili član pokreta, morate se povinovati pravilima, poštovati tabue i toteme  .

       Sljedba se s vremenom nužno radikalizira – to je uvjet napredovanja u hijerarhiji, radikalizaciju nije moguće izbjeći ma što lideri u toj fazi uradili: postanu li pomirljivi,  pozovu li na razum,  smijenit će ih radikalniji. Na kraju, fanatik preuzima vodstvo

malo sam isjeko marcelov tekst da ukratko opisem danasnji feminizam

Ovaj im se u grobu prevrće...

"I have resolved never to start an unjust war but never to end a legitimate one except by defeating my enemies"