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Eroo wrote:On ti je kupova prašak za pranje rublja, banane i kaubojke u Trstu, a onda je iša u istočni BerlinNoor wrote:odgovor bi dobio u roku keks da si vidio kako je, još pred 10 godina, izgledala bivša istočna njemačka u usporedbi sa zapadnomjastreb wrote:Bedastoće. Pa više je Nijemaca podržavalo komunizam nego Srba.
Uostalom zar je podržavanje komunizma zaostalost???
pokazivat u kakvom naprednomkomunizmu smo mi živili...Da, i šuškavce smo imali, i čokoladu Milka
smo mogli u Austriji kupit. I paštete od tune i dimljeni pršut od tune...Sve smo mogli kupit u Austriji
i Italiji. Ono nek se nađe, ako naiđu neki fini gosti...A kavu san zaboraviJo...kilo pržene kave smo također mogli
kupit u Italiji i Austriji...dvije kile ako je bila sirova.
sjećam se, hehe
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Pol Pota srušili su zajednički kineski i vijetnamski komunisti. Tito je bio u jako lošim odnosima sa Kinom,a prije toga ne samo sa ist.lagerom,već i sa kom.partijama Francuske i Italije. O Albaniji da se i ne govori. Prama tome glupo je sve komunist.partije trpati u jedan koš.slidingdoorsoperator wrote:
Je, a i u Koreji je vrlo jak. Doduše, samo u sjevernoj. I na Kubi, također. A i Vijetnamu se dobro drži, tako barem kažu. Za sad.
No, to je daleko od snage koju je iskazivao u hladnom ratu, a izgubio je i neke vrlo vrijedne vanjske suradnike poput Pola Pota iz Crvenih Kmera, a i druga Guzmana iz pokreta Sendero Luminozo.
KPJ imala je najbolju platformu i na njenoj praksi čak su i neke kapitalist.zemlje,poput Švedske uzimale smjernice.
jastreb- Posts : 34059
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Bivši bugarski ministar finansija Simeon Đankov i Elena Nikolova sa Univerziteta u Londonu su analizirali podatke
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epikur37- Posts : 45339
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I pametni se zajebu.jastreb wrote:da,a kako objašnjavaš činjenicu da je KPJ imao podršku u najrazvijenijim gradskim sredinama (Zagrebu,Sušaku,Sisku,Beogradu, Novom sadu, S.Brodu,Mostaru, Splitu...)a ustaštvo u najzaostalijim krajevima (Lika,muslimanska Bosna,Zagora...)???Regoč wrote:Naravno!jastreb wrote:Uostalom zar je podržavanje komunizma zaostalost???
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jastreb wrote:Poražen je privremeno. I danas je najbrojnija stranka na svijetu KP Kine. Druga najbronija stranka u Rusiji je KP Rusije.slidingdoorsoperator wrote:jastreb wrote:Pa u Njemačkoj je uspio. Ali je suzbijen izdajom socijaldemokrata. Isto i u Španjolskoj,gdje je poražen uz pomoć Njemačker i Italije.slidingdoorsoperator wrote:jastreb wrote:
da,a kako objašnjavaš činjenicu da je KPJ imao podršku u najrazvijenijim gradskim sredinama (Zagrebu,Sušaku,Sisku,Beogradu, Novom sadu, S.Brodu,Mostaru, Splitu...)a ustaštvo u najzaostalijim krajevima (Lika,muslimanska Bosna,Zagora...)???
Kako ti objašnjavaš činjenicu da je komunizam pobijedio u ruralnoj i zaostaloj Rusiji, a ne i u po tvojim kriterijima naprednim zemljama poput Njemačke, Amerike i Engleske?
Da ne gopvorimo da je u Francuskoj i Italiji imao veću podršku nego li npr.u pravosl.zemljama poput Rumunjske,Bugarske,ili Ukrajine.
Trlababalan. Poražen je, dakle, nije uspio. Sve ostalo je natezanje grede kao iz onog vica o Bosancima koju su prvo gredu prekratko odrezali, a onda ju natezali da je produlje.
dakle daleko smo od toga da komunizam možemo smatrati poraženim.
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Glede Jastrebovih komentarah!
Komunizam je bil gradska ideologija jer radništvo nije imalo ništa pa su željeli oteti vlasnikom tvornice. Na selima komunizam postoji samo sporadično, među selskim proletarijatom (onima koji nemaju ništa, jel), jer je većina seljakah imala kakav-takav komad zemlje i nije bila voljna predati ga zadruzi.
Komunizam je bil gradska ideologija jer radništvo nije imalo ništa pa su željeli oteti vlasnikom tvornice. Na selima komunizam postoji samo sporadično, među selskim proletarijatom (onima koji nemaju ništa, jel), jer je većina seljakah imala kakav-takav komad zemlje i nije bila voljna predati ga zadruzi.
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jastreb wrote:Pol Pota srušili su zajednički kineski i vijetnamski komunisti. Tito je bio u jako lošim odnosima sa Kinom,a prije toga ne samo sa ist.lagerom,već i sa kom.partijama Francuske i Italije. O Albaniji da se i ne govori. Prama tome glupo je sve komunist.partije trpati u jedan koš.slidingdoorsoperator wrote:
Je, a i u Koreji je vrlo jak. Doduše, samo u sjevernoj. I na Kubi, također. A i Vijetnamu se dobro drži, tako barem kažu. Za sad.
No, to je daleko od snage koju je iskazivao u hladnom ratu, a izgubio je i neke vrlo vrijedne vanjske suradnike poput Pola Pota iz Crvenih Kmera, a i druga Guzmana iz pokreta Sendero Luminozo.
KPJ imala je najbolju platformu i na njenoj praksi čak su i neke kapitalist.zemlje,poput Švedske uzimale smjernice.
Kakve je to smjernice Olof Palme uzimao od KPJ?
Gospodarske sasvim sigurno nije, što se vidi i po razlici u gospodarskoj uspješnosti Švedske i Jugoslavije.
Je, glupo je sve komunističke partije trpati u jedan koš, ali još gluplje ne uočiti generalnu neuspješnost komunizma na razini država gdje god se pojavio (izraelski kibuci nisu države).
Kada spominješ Kinu, onda moraš znati kako je tamošnja KP više nastavak azijske tradicionalne priče o snažnoj centralnoj vlasti nego što ima veze sa ideologijom komunizma. Deng Xiao Ping je dobro procjenio da će tzv. demokratizacija Kine ugroziti njenu stabilnost i jedinstvo zemlje prije nego će donijeti gospodarski napredak i zato je zbog interesa Kine intervenirao na Trgu nebeskog mira (a i zato jer je vođa studenata bio Ujgur musliman).
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Re: Pravoslavni narodi su zaostali zbog svoje vere: Šokantna analiza Svetske banke
Ni oni nisu bili uspješni, država ih je obilato sufinancirala. Prestankom državnih dotacijah, većina ih se raspada devedesetih. Ima i komedija o tom, kad mladi pobjegnu i ostave starce, a dolazi novi vlasnik, čovjek koji je privatiziral kibuc.slidingdoorsoperator wrote:ali još gluplje ne uočiti generalnu neuspješnost komunizma na razini država gdje god se pojavio (izraelski kibuci nisu države).
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Regoč wrote:Ni oni nisu bili uspješni, država ih je obilato sufinancirala. Prestankom državnih dotacijah, većina ih se raspada devedesetih. Ima i komedija o tom, kad mladi pobjegnu i ostave starce, a dolazi novi vlasnik, čovjek koji je privatiziral kibuc.slidingdoorsoperator wrote:ali još gluplje ne uočiti generalnu neuspješnost komunizma na razini država gdje god se pojavio (izraelski kibuci nisu države).
Znam, ali bilo mi je žao jastrebu razbiti baš sve iluzije.
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Evo mu za utjehu omiljeno štivo.slidingdoorsoperator wrote:Regoč wrote:Ni oni nisu bili uspješni, država ih je obilato sufinancirala. Prestankom državnih dotacijah, većina ih se raspada devedesetih. Ima i komedija o tom, kad mladi pobjegnu i ostave starce, a dolazi novi vlasnik, čovjek koji je privatiziral kibuc.slidingdoorsoperator wrote:ali još gluplje ne uočiti generalnu neuspješnost komunizma na razini država gdje god se pojavio (izraelski kibuci nisu države).
Znam, ali bilo mi je žao jastrebu razbiti baš sve iluzije.
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ko gođ čuje srce u prsima!
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Trijebimo gubu iz torine!
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Religija i filozofija imaju veze sa ekonomskim uspehom jedne države i društva, pored ostalog naravno. Najuspešnije države su protestantske i tu nema greške. Misticizam u katoličanstvu nije mnogo različit nego u pravoslavlju. Pravoslavlje je imalo maler sa komunizmom i geografskim položajem jer se nalazilo na udaru Turaka.
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THE ECONOMIC ETHICS OF CONTEMPORARY RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHRISTIANITY: A WEBERIAN PERSPECTIVE
https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/the-economic-ethics-of-contemporary-russian-orthodox-christianity-a-weberian-perspective
https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/the-economic-ethics-of-contemporary-russian-orthodox-christianity-a-weberian-perspective
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Thus, we may say that the observation made in modern monastery communities of the Russian Orthodox Church, and the conclusions drawn from the analysis of dogmatic and pastoral literature of modern Russian Orthodoxy, match descriptions of the practices of pre-revolutionary Orthodoxy, given by scholars such as We- ber [1973], Müller-Armack [1981], Dinello [1998], Buss [1989a, 1989b], etc. If current economic practices partly differ from pre-revolutionary practices, they, nevertheless, show the same motivational pattern which is implemented in practice and described by ethics. It can be argued that there is continuity between the modern and the pre-revolutionary Orthodox texts and ideas embedded in them.
We can present this pattern more vividly by comparing it to the pattern described by Max Weber in respect to Calvinist Protestants. According to the Calvinist pattern (as it was depicted by Weber)15, the participant(a Protestant) is completely separated from God: God does not hear him; prayer to God is meaningless. Some people are originally pre-elected to salvation, and this pre-election reveals itself in the worldly life as prosper- ity and success. The simplest measure of prosperity is external wealth, easily expressed in monetary terms. Respectively, those who thrive in the world will be saved. Further, Weber suggested that every person in such a situation would want to check whether he is pre-elected or not. The way to check this is the attempt to reach prosperity in this life with honest work. If a person is successful, this means that he is elected.
The pattern for motivation of economic activities works quite differently in the religious ethics of Russian Orthodoxy. The participant (an Orthodox Christian) perceives his economic activities not as a means to please God or to attain salvation.
The Orthodox layman who is forced to carry out economic activities, does not consider economy as a means of salvation or pleasing God in the same sense as the Protestant of Weber’s description. Faced with the economy or economic (worldly) problems in a situation when decisions have to be made, the Orthodox economic ac- tor seeks the blessing of his spiritual father or the priest with whom he is in contact. The economy does not possess its own intrinsic value on the path to salvation, and the management of economy requires some ad- ditional legitimization. An Orthodox Christian in the world palpably encounters God through the Church. He encounters priests, monks, sacraments, and rituals; on the one hand he receives an intermediary for his dialogue with God, and the other hand a visible and tangible means for this. The appeal to God is carried out through a priest, a monk, or a saint (represented by his relics or icon). Moreover, a layman cannot but address God through these means; presently, every Orthodox Christian ought to regularly (and rather frequently) go to confession, take communion, and receive the sacrament of the holy oil. ‘Ought to’ here has less to do with external enforcement, but with the inner urge towards the corresponding actions and states.
Thus, the Orthodox motivation pattern for economic activity is as follows. For the Orthodox layman, eco- nomic activity is not a means to salvation (at least in the same way as for Weber’s Protestant). The means to salvation are rather obedience to the Church or participation in Church life. The semantic core of the pattern of such practices is represented by the ethical categories of humility and obedience. It is these categories that describe the role of the mediator (the Church) in this pattern and the ideal nature of communication. Without this kind of relationship such a pattern could not have emerged. Yet, economic activity in this pattern takes up a very small space. To put it simply: for an Orthodox Christian, ‘good action’ in the economy (or his ‘utility function’) is action which aids his humility and obedience, not that which aids his success.
We can present this pattern more vividly by comparing it to the pattern described by Max Weber in respect to Calvinist Protestants. According to the Calvinist pattern (as it was depicted by Weber)15, the participant(a Protestant) is completely separated from God: God does not hear him; prayer to God is meaningless. Some people are originally pre-elected to salvation, and this pre-election reveals itself in the worldly life as prosper- ity and success. The simplest measure of prosperity is external wealth, easily expressed in monetary terms. Respectively, those who thrive in the world will be saved. Further, Weber suggested that every person in such a situation would want to check whether he is pre-elected or not. The way to check this is the attempt to reach prosperity in this life with honest work. If a person is successful, this means that he is elected.
The pattern for motivation of economic activities works quite differently in the religious ethics of Russian Orthodoxy. The participant (an Orthodox Christian) perceives his economic activities not as a means to please God or to attain salvation.
The Orthodox layman who is forced to carry out economic activities, does not consider economy as a means of salvation or pleasing God in the same sense as the Protestant of Weber’s description. Faced with the economy or economic (worldly) problems in a situation when decisions have to be made, the Orthodox economic ac- tor seeks the blessing of his spiritual father or the priest with whom he is in contact. The economy does not possess its own intrinsic value on the path to salvation, and the management of economy requires some ad- ditional legitimization. An Orthodox Christian in the world palpably encounters God through the Church. He encounters priests, monks, sacraments, and rituals; on the one hand he receives an intermediary for his dialogue with God, and the other hand a visible and tangible means for this. The appeal to God is carried out through a priest, a monk, or a saint (represented by his relics or icon). Moreover, a layman cannot but address God through these means; presently, every Orthodox Christian ought to regularly (and rather frequently) go to confession, take communion, and receive the sacrament of the holy oil. ‘Ought to’ here has less to do with external enforcement, but with the inner urge towards the corresponding actions and states.
Thus, the Orthodox motivation pattern for economic activity is as follows. For the Orthodox layman, eco- nomic activity is not a means to salvation (at least in the same way as for Weber’s Protestant). The means to salvation are rather obedience to the Church or participation in Church life. The semantic core of the pattern of such practices is represented by the ethical categories of humility and obedience. It is these categories that describe the role of the mediator (the Church) in this pattern and the ideal nature of communication. Without this kind of relationship such a pattern could not have emerged. Yet, economic activity in this pattern takes up a very small space. To put it simply: for an Orthodox Christian, ‘good action’ in the economy (or his ‘utility function’) is action which aids his humility and obedience, not that which aids his success.
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Conclusion
Returning to the beginning of the article, we may reasonably assume that a specific ethos of behavior in the world, leading to salvation, has developed in Orthodoxy. However, it is not so much described as mystical and magical, not as a way of isolation from the world, but as action in the world according to obedience (and not vocation as for Weber’s Protestant) in the search for humility, and not for success.16 Repeating Weber’slogic of argument step by step, we may conclude that the specific character of Orthodoxy is that it regards not vocation or professional activities as a means to salvation, but obedience and humility in relation to a (spiritu- ally) more experienced person or a person at a higher place in the hierarchy. In turn this can be assumed to be selectively more in tune with hierarchical and distributive models of economic organization, rather than for example, the market type of organization [Zabaev 2009]. The connection between theology and secular economic activity will be more fully addressed in a future article.
Returning to the beginning of the article, we may reasonably assume that a specific ethos of behavior in the world, leading to salvation, has developed in Orthodoxy. However, it is not so much described as mystical and magical, not as a way of isolation from the world, but as action in the world according to obedience (and not vocation as for Weber’s Protestant) in the search for humility, and not for success.16 Repeating Weber’slogic of argument step by step, we may conclude that the specific character of Orthodoxy is that it regards not vocation or professional activities as a means to salvation, but obedience and humility in relation to a (spiritu- ally) more experienced person or a person at a higher place in the hierarchy. In turn this can be assumed to be selectively more in tune with hierarchical and distributive models of economic organization, rather than for example, the market type of organization [Zabaev 2009]. The connection between theology and secular economic activity will be more fully addressed in a future article.
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Sokole de smanji pivu kojoj je istekao rok trajanja...jastreb wrote:Pol Pota srušili su zajednički kineski i vijetnamski komunisti. Tito je bio u jako lošim odnosima sa Kinom,a prije toga ne samo sa ist.lagerom,već i sa kom.partijama Francuske i Italije. O Albaniji da se i ne govori. Prama tome glupo je sve komunist.partije trpati u jedan koš.slidingdoorsoperator wrote:
Je, a i u Koreji je vrlo jak. Doduše, samo u sjevernoj. I na Kubi, također. A i Vijetnamu se dobro drži, tako barem kažu. Za sad.
No, to je daleko od snage koju je iskazivao u hladnom ratu, a izgubio je i neke vrlo vrijedne vanjske suradnike poput Pola Pota iz Crvenih Kmera, a i druga Guzmana iz pokreta Sendero Luminozo.
KPJ imala je najbolju platformu i na njenoj praksi čak su i neke kapitalist.zemlje,poput Švedske uzimale smjernice.
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jestejastreb wrote:Bedastoće. Pa više je Nijemaca podržavalo komunizam nego Srba.
Uostalom zar je podržavanje komunizma zaostalost???
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Re: Pravoslavni narodi su zaostali zbog svoje vere: Šokantna analiza Svetske banke
Dvoje Bugara pisu, dalje nisam ni citao sta pisu a ovi jos analiziraju
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bugari vas davno prešišali, jebiga bolje da se zamislite nad sobom nego da sudte o drugimaSerbinho-3 wrote:Dvoje Bugara pisu, dalje nisam ni citao sta pisu a ovi jos analiziraju
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Mozda u stelovanim izvestajima.
Tamo plata manja, nego u Srbiji.
Tamo plata manja, nego u Srbiji.
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Re: Pravoslavni narodi su zaostali zbog svoje vere: Šokantna analiza Svetske banke
bugarska 486 eura, vi samo što niste dobili 500 eura već 15 godina ali ove godine ide sigurno, ako ne ove onda dogodine :)Serbinho-3 wrote:Mozda u stelovanim izvestajima.
Tamo plata manja, nego u Srbiji.
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