Hrvatska je slomljena, priznaje sve slovenske uvjete

slidingdoorsoperator wrote:

asilovski wrote:
Ne čitaš što stavljam a niti odluku koja je jedino bitna i koju će Hrvatska usvojiti u cijelosti, jer je "povoljna" hehehe

Nitko nije rekao da je povoljna niti je najavio provođenje arbitraže, niti vlast, niti opozicija.
Dakle, samo tvoj wishfull thinking.
Ja naravno čitam što ti stavljaš, ali sam za razliku od tebe to dobro razumio i to odavno.

slidingdoorsoperator wrote:Da, čak i ako bi Sabor pristao na ratifikaciju, što doduše već graniči sa fantastikom, opet ništa od ratifikacije arbitraže, jer to mora potpisati i predsjednica, a jasno je da ona to neće učiniti ni pod koju cijenu.

asilovski wrote:
"Što se tiče arbitraže, ona doduše nije povoljna za nas, ali također nije niti za Sloveniju, jer im aribtraža nije dala jedino do čega im je u ovoj priči zapravo bilo stalo - direktan kontakt njihovih teritorijalnih voda sa međunarodnim morem."


Na kraju imaju izravan kontakt sa međunarodnim vodama, ali to je bilo prije 2 strane ove  teme pa se ne računa heheh

čardak efendija wrote:

slidingdoorsoperator wrote:Da, čak i ako bi Sabor pristao na ratifikaciju, što doduše već graniči sa fantastikom, opet ništa od ratifikacije arbitraže, jer to mora potpisati i predsjednica, a jasno je da ona to neće učiniti ni pod koju cijenu.

ko bi digo ruku za prodaju
štrik bandera i to treba
reći glasno i jasno
mada ne verujem da će hrvati da 
prodaju teritorij

slidingdoorsoperator wrote:

asilovski wrote:
"Što se tiče arbitraže, ona doduše nije povoljna za nas, ali također nije niti za Sloveniju, jer im aribtraža nije dala jedino do čega im je u ovoj priči zapravo bilo stalo - direktan kontakt njihovih teritorijalnih voda sa međunarodnim morem."


Na kraju imaju izravan kontakt sa međunarodnim vodama, ali to je bilo prije 2 strane ove  teme pa se ne računa heheh

Ti si opet potpuno promašio poantu.
Naime, teritorijalni kontakt sa međunarodnim vodama im treba iz dva razloga koja sam već naveo.
Prvi je da relaksiraju položaj luke Kopar.
A drugi je da u dijelu međunarodnih voda proglase gospodarski pojas kako bi eksploatirali plinska i možda i naftna nalazišta u tom dijelu sjevernog Jadrana.
A za to im treba teritorijalno more u koridoru. Pravo neškodljivog prolaska im jednostavno tu nikako ne pomaže.
Sad konačno jasnije?

slidingdoorsoperator wrote:

asilovski wrote:
"Što se tiče arbitraže, ona doduše nije povoljna za nas, ali također nije niti za Sloveniju, jer im aribtraža nije dala jedino do čega im je u ovoj priči zapravo bilo stalo - direktan kontakt njihovih teritorijalnih voda sa međunarodnim morem."


Na kraju imaju izravan kontakt sa međunarodnim vodama, ali to je bilo prije 2 strane ove  teme pa se ne računa heheh

Ti si opet potpuno promašio poantu.
Naime, teritorijalni kontakt sa međunarodnim vodama im treba iz dva razloga koja sam već naveo.
Prvi je da relaksiraju položaj luke Kopar.
A drugi je da u dijelu međunarodnih voda proglase gospodarski pojas kako bi eksploatirali plinska i možda i naftna nalazišta u tom dijelu sjevernog Jadrana.
A za to im treba teritorijalno more u koridoru. Pravo neškodljivog prolaska im jednostavno tu nikako ne pomaže.
Sad konačno jasnije?

• 29 June 2017
   
  
• From the sectionEurope
  

Image copyrightAFPImage captionThe court in its 300-pages ruling on Thursday said that Slovenia should be granted "a junction area" within international waters adjoining the Slovenian coastal town of Piran
An international arbitration court has handed Slovenia victory in a long-running maritime dispute with Croatia.
The Permanent Court of Arbitration in the Hague ruled that Slovenia should have direct access to international waters in the north Adriatic Sea using a corridor crossing Croatian waters.
The ruling was hailed by Slovenia but Croatia said it would ignore it.
The dispute between the two members of the European Union goes back to the break-up of Yugoslavia in the 1990s.
Croatia and Slovenia are also embroiled in an equally longstanding land border dispute, which involves tiny stretches of territory.
The disagreements between them were an obstacle to Croatia's accession to the EU for years.

Slovenian Prime Minister Miro Cerar described Thursday's ruling as "historic", arguing that the judgement was "definitive and must be applied on both countries".
Mr Cerar said he would be soon be contacting his Croatian counterpart to "begin dialogue on implementing the decision".
But Croatian Prime Minister Prime Minister Andrej Plenkovic said that the ruling was "not obliging" to his country "in any way" and there would be no intention to implement it.
Croatia withdrew from the arbitration proceedings in 2015, questioning the impartiality of the court after it transpired that a Slovenian official had been in communication with the Slovenian member of the tribunal.
The official concerned was sacked and the tribunal was reconstituted, with a Norwegian and a Swiss judge replacing the Slovenian and the Croatian members, the EUobserver website reported.
The ruling said that Slovenia should be granted "a junction area" within international waters adjoining the Slovenian town of Piran, allowing "freedom of communication" to civilian and military shipping travelling to Slovenia.
"The Tribunal determines that the junction between the Slovenian territorial sea and the 'High Sea' is an area in which ships and aircraft enjoy essentially the same rights of access to and from Slovenia as they enjoy on the high seas," it said in its ruling.
Croatia for its part has dismissed Slovenia's claims as an "entirely spurious resource grab under the guise of a maritime access corridor".

asilovski wrote:"Thus it concluded (Award at para. 1073) that the ordinary meaning of junction “has an essentially spatial meaning and connotation” which the Tribunal defined in this case as “the connection between the territorial sea of Slovenia and an area beyond the territorial seas of Croatia and Italy.

The area remains part of Croatia’s territorial sea but the Award limits the authority that Croatia may exercise within that part of its territorial sea in order to give effect to Slovenia’s declared freedoms of communication."


Što će reći specijalni sui generis prolaz koji ograničava suverenitet RH-a i to u točno određenom dijelu terit. mora, a sve u korist Slovenije, naravno Kim Đong un samo što nije pobjegao u Manđuriji 

asilovski wrote:http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/hrvatska-je-slomljena-priznat-ce-arbitrazu/994873.aspx

asilovski wrote:

slidingdoorsoperator wrote:

asilovski wrote:
"Što se tiče arbitraže, ona doduše nije povoljna za nas, ali također nije niti za Sloveniju, jer im aribtraža nije dala jedino do čega im je u ovoj priči zapravo bilo stalo - direktan kontakt njihovih teritorijalnih voda sa međunarodnim morem."


Na kraju imaju izravan kontakt sa međunarodnim vodama, ali to je bilo prije 2 strane ove  teme pa se ne računa heheh

Ti si opet potpuno promašio poantu.
Naime, teritorijalni kontakt sa međunarodnim vodama im treba iz dva razloga koja sam već naveo.
Prvi je da relaksiraju položaj luke Kopar.
A drugi je da u dijelu međunarodnih voda proglase gospodarski pojas kako bi eksploatirali plinska i možda i naftna nalazišta u tom dijelu sjevernog Jadrana.
A za to im treba teritorijalno more u koridoru. Pravo neškodljivog prolaska im jednostavno tu nikako ne pomaže.
Sad konačno jasnije?

Slovenia wins battle with Croatia over high seas access

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Image copyrightAFPImage captionThe court in its 300-pages ruling on Thursday said that Slovenia should be granted "a junction area" within international waters adjoining the Slovenian coastal town of Piran
An international arbitration court has handed Slovenia victory in a long-running maritime dispute with Croatia.
The Permanent Court of Arbitration in the Hague ruled that Slovenia should have direct access to international waters in the north Adriatic Sea using a corridor crossing Croatian waters.
The ruling was hailed by Slovenia but Croatia said it would ignore it.
The dispute between the two members of the European Union goes back to the break-up of Yugoslavia in the 1990s.
Croatia and Slovenia are also embroiled in an equally longstanding land border dispute, which involves tiny stretches of territory.
The disagreements between them were an obstacle to Croatia's accession to the EU for years.

Slovenian Prime Minister Miro Cerar described Thursday's ruling as "historic", arguing that the judgement was "definitive and must be applied on both countries".
Mr Cerar said he would be soon be contacting his Croatian counterpart to "begin dialogue on implementing the decision".
But Croatian Prime Minister Prime Minister Andrej Plenkovic said that the ruling was "not obliging" to his country "in any way" and there would be no intention to implement it.
Croatia withdrew from the arbitration proceedings in 2015, questioning the impartiality of the court after it transpired that a Slovenian official had been in communication with the Slovenian member of the tribunal.
The official concerned was sacked and the tribunal was reconstituted, with a Norwegian and a Swiss judge replacing the Slovenian and the Croatian members, the EUobserver website reported.
The ruling said that Slovenia should be granted "a junction area" within international waters adjoining the Slovenian town of Piran, allowing "freedom of communication" to civilian and military shipping travelling to Slovenia.
"The Tribunal determines that the junction between the Slovenian territorial sea and the 'High Sea' is an area in which ships and aircraft enjoy essentially the same rights of access to and from Slovenia as they enjoy on the high seas," it said in its ruling.
Croatia for its part has dismissed Slovenia's claims as an "entirely spurious resource grab under the guise of a maritime access corridor".

melkior wrote:

asilovski wrote:http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/hrvatska-je-slomljena-priznat-ce-arbitrazu/994873.aspx

I? Kad će veliki vođa Plenković dati ultimatum Sloveniji da povuče vojsku sa sv. Gere u roku 24 sata?

slidingdoorsoperator wrote:

melkior wrote:

asilovski wrote:http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/hrvatska-je-slomljena-priznat-ce-arbitrazu/994873.aspx

I? Kad će veliki vođa Plenković dati ultimatum Sloveniji da povuče vojsku sa sv. Gere u roku 24 sata?

Zašto bi kada i Slovenci i samu priznaju da je Trdinov Vrh u Hrvatskoj?

asilovski wrote:
"Further, the Tribunal specifies that, unlike innocent passage, the freedoms of communication in the Junction Area are not conditioned upon any criterion of innocence and are not suspendable under any circumstances."

slidingdoorsoperator wrote:

asilovski wrote:
"Further, the Tribunal specifies that, unlike innocent passage, the freedoms of communication in the Junction Area are not conditioned upon any criterion of innocence and are not suspendable under any circumstances."

I sve u skladu sa odredbama UNCLOS-a. Što mi Slovencima nikada nismo ni osporavali.
Nevjerojatno je kako neki uporno otkrivaju toplu vodu, ali samo kada im to odgovara.

melkior wrote:

slidingdoorsoperator wrote:

melkior wrote:

asilovski wrote:http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/hrvatska-je-slomljena-priznat-ce-arbitrazu/994873.aspx

I? Kad će veliki vođa Plenković dati ultimatum Sloveniji da povuče vojsku sa sv. Gere u roku 24 sata?

Zašto bi kada i Slovenci i samu priznaju da je Trdinov Vrh u Hrvatskoj?

I kad će povući vojsku? Ah da, kad priznamo arbitražu. U nama je problem, znao sam.

melkior wrote:

slidingdoorsoperator wrote:

asilovski wrote:
"Further, the Tribunal specifies that, unlike innocent passage, the freedoms of communication in the Junction Area are not conditioned upon any criterion of innocence and are not suspendable under any circumstances."

I sve u skladu sa odredbama UNCLOS-a. Što mi Slovencima nikada nismo ni osporavali.
Nevjerojatno je kako neki uporno otkrivaju toplu vodu, ali samo kada im to odgovara.

Dobrosusjedski odnosi su važniji od međunarodnog prava

melkior wrote:

slidingdoorsoperator wrote:

asilovski wrote:
"Further, the Tribunal specifies that, unlike innocent passage, the freedoms of communication in the Junction Area are not conditioned upon any criterion of innocence and are not suspendable under any circumstances."

I sve u skladu sa odredbama UNCLOS-a. Što mi Slovencima nikada nismo ni osporavali.
Nevjerojatno je kako neki uporno otkrivaju toplu vodu, ali samo kada im to odgovara.

Dobrosusjedski odnosi su važniji od međunarodnog prava

slidingdoorsoperator wrote:

melkior wrote:

slidingdoorsoperator wrote:

melkior wrote:

asilovski wrote:http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/hrvatska-je-slomljena-priznat-ce-arbitrazu/994873.aspx

I? Kad će veliki vođa Plenković dati ultimatum Sloveniji da povuče vojsku sa sv. Gere u roku 24 sata?

Zašto bi kada i Slovenci i samu priznaju da je Trdinov Vrh u Hrvatskoj?

I kad će povući vojsku? Ah da, kad priznamo arbitražu. U nama je problem, znao sam.

Arbitražu nećemo priznati, što znači da ostaje status quo.
Morat ćeš prigušiti svoje želje za izbijanjem bilo kakvog rata rata samo da bi ti malo manje dosadno u životu. :)
Ali možeš ti to, samo se trebaš malo jače potruditi. :)

asilovski wrote:The area remains part of Croatia’s territorial sea but the Award limits the authority that Croatia may exercise within that part of its territorial sea in order to give effect to Slovenia’s declared freedoms of communication."


Što će reći specijalni sui generis prolaz koji ograničava suverenitet RH-a i to u točno određenom dijelu terit. mora, a sve u korist Slovenije, naravno Kim Đong un samo što nije pobjegao u Manđuriji