Bannon: nema vojnog rješenja za Koreju
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Re: Bannon: nema vojnog rješenja za Koreju
problem bi nastao kada bi preživio atentat ili izbjegao udar i onda onako vruć i u stresu išao odgovoriti...epikur37 wrote:Iz ana je islo na assada pa prc milojko, na regana je bio neuspjeli atentat, na tita...itd
mutava baštarda- Posts : 21037
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Dobro to su americki azali govorimo o svjetakim silama
epikur37- Posts : 45339
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Najsvežiji primer je Erdogan. Čak je bio na nišanu lovca a vidi ga sad.epikur37 wrote:Iz ana je islo na assada pa prc milojko, na regana je bio neuspjeli atentat, na tita...itd
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epikur37 wrote:Dobro to su americki azali govorimo o svjetakim silama
Kina i Rusija još uvijek ne podržavaju svrgavanje i kriza se ne samo nastavlja nego i zaoštrava.
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obojicu su spasili rusi... a tko će kima spašavati kada se krene...dzango wrote:Najsvežiji primer je Erdogan. Čak je bio na nišanu lovca a vidi ga sad.epikur37 wrote:Iz ana je islo na assada pa prc milojko, na regana je bio neuspjeli atentat, na tita...itd
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mutava baštarda- Posts : 21037
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mutava baštarda wrote:
problem bi nastao kada bi preživio atentat ili izbjegao udar i onda onako vruć i u stresu išao odgovoriti...
Tada bi najveću cijenu platili generali. Vjerojatno i oni koji nisu sudjelovali u organizaciju puča. No, sam debeli bi vjerojatno u tom slučaju makar je to sad teško zamislivo morao relaksirati vanjsku politiku jer bi se zaoštravanjem samo stavio u još nepovoljniji položaj zbog jačanja vanjskog pritiska.
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Neće da se krene. Amerima ne treba još jedna pušagija. U poslednje vreme gube gde god se pojave. Jebiga, vaskrse Rusija.mutava baštarda wrote:obojicu su spasili rusi... a tko će kima spašavati kada se krene...dzango wrote:Najsvežiji primer je Erdogan. Čak je bio na nišanu lovca a vidi ga sad.epikur37 wrote:Iz ana je islo na assada pa prc milojko, na regana je bio neuspjeli atentat, na tita...itd
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epikur37 wrote:U principu je samo amerika za njegovo sklanjanje.
u principu baš nitko nije za to da ostane.
A za njegovo sklanjanje su ne samo SAD nego Južna Koreja, Japan, dakle susjedne zemlje koje imaju neke od najjačih vojski svijeta.
Rusima odgovara samo utoliko što je problem za sve oko sebe a oni su dovoljno daleko, ali Rusi neće kurcem mrdnut ni da ga spase ni da ga ruše. Računaj da su oni tu uglavnom neutralni.
Ostaje Kina, kojoj Kim postaje hipoteka i teret, usto ogroman rizik.
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marcellus- Posts : 46005
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Pitanje da li bi bila proamerička, pogotovo jer bi ujedinjenje bilo kompromisno a svakako im treba točka žarišta kao Koreja, BiH Makedonija, i dr.marcellus wrote:asilovski wrote:niti SAD-e a niti Japan...rusija li la, bolje ne hehehemarcellus wrote:epikur37 wrote:U konačnici, kimova režim u sjevernoj i američki patron u južnoj i drže tu zemlju podijeljenom, u stalnom konfliktu i prijetnjom.
Treba maknuti oba čimbenika i ujediniti zemlju koja će onda surađivati sa svijetom.
taman posla, Kinezi ne žele niti će ikad dopustiti ujedinjenje dviju koreja.
SAD hoće, njima bi odgovarala proamerička ujedinjena koreja na prdomet od Pekinga, ali Kineze se pita.
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2014-04-17
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Ponovno pojednostavljaš, korejci nisu pro američki orjentirani i sjeverna koreja skoro pa nema nepismenih, međutim ovdje se pita Kinu a pitat će se još više u budućnostimarcellus wrote:epikur37 wrote:marcellus wrote:asilovski wrote:niti SAD-e a niti Japan...rusija li la, bolje ne hehehemarcellus wrote:
taman posla, Kinezi ne žele niti će ikad dopustiti ujedinjenje dviju koreja.
SAD hoće, njima bi odgovarala proamerička ujedinjena koreja na prdomet od Pekinga, ali Kineze se pita.
Pitanje je kako bi bila orijentirana i čija ta ujedinjena koreja.
južno koreanci su izrazito proamerički nastrojeni još od rata, ekonomski je JK xy puta jača, i ima više nego dvostruko više stanovnika.
Nije uopće pitanje. SK je jedna od najbogatijih država svijeta, s populacijom blizu francuske ili engleske, visokoobrazovanom, NK je uništena komunistička zemlja s ruralnim polupismenim stanovništvom, s populacijom nešto većom od rumunjske ili burkine faso ali puno siromašnija.
usto južnokoreanci vole amere, ali zato sjevernokoreanci ne vole ruse nimalo više nego amere.
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2014-04-17
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U J. Koreju i Kinu S. Koreja ima granicu jedino još sa Rusijommarcellus wrote:epikur37 wrote:U principu je samo amerika za njegovo sklanjanje.
u principu baš nitko nije za to da ostane.
A za njegovo sklanjanje su ne samo SAD nego Južna Koreja, Japan, dakle susjedne zemlje koje imaju neke od najjačih vojski svijeta.
Rusima odgovara samo utoliko što je problem za sve oko sebe a oni su dovoljno daleko, ali Rusi neće kurcem mrdnut ni da ga spase ni da ga ruše. Računaj da su oni tu uglavnom neutralni.
Ostaje Kina, kojoj Kim postaje hipoteka i teret, usto ogroman rizik.
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2014-04-17
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Russian president Vladimir Putin is confident that there will be no conflict with the use of weapons of mass destruction in North-East Asia, he said at the Eastern Economic Forum (EEF) in Vladivostok.
Moscow ready to develop economic ties with N. Korea within UN restrictions
Kim vrši pritisak da dođe do pregovora, nakon njih će dobiti ustupke, a ovaj će zamrznuti program vrlo jednostavno...
Moscow ready to develop economic ties with N. Korea within UN restrictions
Kim vrši pritisak da dođe do pregovora, nakon njih će dobiti ustupke, a ovaj će zamrznuti program vrlo jednostavno...
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2014-04-17
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Prije svega bio bi srušen Seul unajmnje, burze bi potonule neviđeno, a Kina sigurno ne bi gledala kao im saveznika ruši SAD-e znači nema skoro nikakve šanse za rat osim ako Kim ne udari prvi, a što neće vjerojatno...marcellus wrote:Stvar je jednostavna, Kinezima ne treba rat na 500 km od Pekinga. Amerima ne treba rat, ali ako ga bude vodit će se jako daleko od SAD (ne, Kim ne može gađati SAD iz Sj, Koreje jer interkontinentalnoj balističkoj raketi, kad bi je ovi iz sj. koreje i imali tog dometa, treba gotovo sat vremena da stigne do SAD, a Amerima treba nekoliko sekundi da registriraju lansiranje rakete iz sj. koreje, i imaju je čime rušiti).
Cijena rata u Koreji bi svakako bila veća za Peking nego za SAD - čak i ako ostanu po strani.
Ratom Kina nema što dobiti: uklanjanjem Kima ima.
Ratom Kina ima mnogo za izgubiti, međutim.
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2014-04-17
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Ma rasprava je opet otišla na kvasinu na broj tenkova, rakete, te šejkerove papazjanije i fraze a nitko nije čitao Benonna i njegove tekstove koji govore o ratu sa Kinom i to trgovačkom ratu, a korejom kao dijelom toga rata:epikur37 wrote:Bez Rusije znaci nista ;)
Contrary to Trump’s threat of fire and fury, Bannon said: “There’s no military solution [to North Korea’s nuclear threats], forget it. Until somebody solves the part of the equation that shows me that ten million people in Seoul don’t die in the first 30 minutes from conventional weapons, I don’t know what you’re talking about, there’s no military solution here, they got us.”
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[size=12]Steve Bannon on the phone, December 9, 2016[/size]
What follows is the article that likely pushed Steve Bannon, President Trump’s chief strategist and architect of his white nationalist messaging, out the White House door. Robert Kuttner, the co-founder and co-editor of this magazine, never expected a phone call from Bannon; the Prospect, after all, is a proudly liberal and defiantly anti-Trump journal. Nonetheless, Bannon called him on Tuesday afternoon, and on Wednesday, we posted Kuttner’s piece—a careful report of what Bannon said and an insightful analysis of why he said it. You can read it below.
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ou might think from recent press accounts that Steve Bannon is on the ropes and therefore behaving prudently. In the aftermath of events in Charlottesville, he is widely blamed for his boss’s continuing indulgence of white supremacists. Allies of National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster hold Bannon responsible for a campaign by Breitbart News, which Bannon once led, to vilify the security chief. Trump’s defense of Bannon, at his Tuesday press conference, was tepid.But Bannon was in high spirits when he phoned me Tuesday afternoon to discuss the politics of taking a harder line with China, and minced no words describing his efforts to neutralize his rivals at the Departments of Defense, State, and Treasury. “They’re wetting themselves,” he said, proceeding to detail how he would oust some of his opponents at State and Defense.
Needless to say, I was a little stunned to get an email from Bannon’s assistant midday Tuesday, just as all hell was breaking loose once again about Charlottesville, saying that Bannon wished to meet with me.
Needless to say, I was a little stunned to get an email from Bannon’s assistant midday Tuesday, just as all hell was breaking loose once again about Charlottesville, saying that Bannon wished to meet with me. I’d just published a column on how China was profiting from the U.S.-North Korea nuclear brinkmanship, and it included some choice words about Bannon’s boss.“In Kim, Trump has met his match,” I wrote. “The risk of two arrogant fools blundering into a nuclear exchange is more serious than at any time since October 1962.” Maybe Bannon wanted to scream at me?
I told the assistant that I was on vacation, but I would be happy to speak by phone. Bannon promptly called.
Far from dressing me down for comparing Trump to Kim, he began, “It’s a great honor to finally track you down. I’ve followed your writing for years and I think you and I are in the same boat when it comes to China. You absolutely nailed it.”
“We’re at economic war with China,” he added. “It’s in all their literature. They’re not shy about saying what they’re doing. One of us is going to be a hegemon in 25 or 30 years and it’s gonna be them if we go down this path. On Korea, they’re just tapping us along. It’s just a sideshow.”
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China's air force has carried out exercises near the Korean peninsula, practicing to defend against a "surprise attack" coming over the sea, Chinese state media said.
The exercises came days after North Korea's sixth, and most powerful, nuclear test fueled global concern that the isolated nation plans more weapons tests, possibly of a long-range missile.
An anti-aircraft defense battalion held the exercises early on Tuesday, near the Bohai Sea, the innermost gulf of the Yellow Sea that separates China from the Korean peninsula, an official military website, www.81.cn, said.
Troops traveled to the site from central China before immediately beginning drills to fend off the "surprise attack" simulating real battle, it said.
"The troops' rapid response capabilities and actual combat levels have effectively been tested."
It was the first time certain weapons, which the website did not identify, had been used to shoot down low-altitude targets coming over the sea, www.81.cn said, without elaborating.
The drills "do not target any particular goal or country," and were part of an annual plan intended to boost the troops' capability, China's Defence Ministry said on its website late on Wednesday, in a response to media.
After weeks of rising tension over North Korea's actions, South Korea and the United States have been discussing the deployment of aircraft carriers and strategic bombers to the Korean peninsula.
China is deeply suspicious of any U.S.-backed military build-up in the region, and has repeatedly expressed anger at the deployment of a U.S. anti-missile defense system in South Korea.
The exercises came days after North Korea's sixth, and most powerful, nuclear test fueled global concern that the isolated nation plans more weapons tests, possibly of a long-range missile.
An anti-aircraft defense battalion held the exercises early on Tuesday, near the Bohai Sea, the innermost gulf of the Yellow Sea that separates China from the Korean peninsula, an official military website, www.81.cn, said.
Troops traveled to the site from central China before immediately beginning drills to fend off the "surprise attack" simulating real battle, it said.
"The troops' rapid response capabilities and actual combat levels have effectively been tested."
It was the first time certain weapons, which the website did not identify, had been used to shoot down low-altitude targets coming over the sea, www.81.cn said, without elaborating.
The drills "do not target any particular goal or country," and were part of an annual plan intended to boost the troops' capability, China's Defence Ministry said on its website late on Wednesday, in a response to media.
After weeks of rising tension over North Korea's actions, South Korea and the United States have been discussing the deployment of aircraft carriers and strategic bombers to the Korean peninsula.
China is deeply suspicious of any U.S.-backed military build-up in the region, and has repeatedly expressed anger at the deployment of a U.S. anti-missile defense system in South Korea.
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asilovski wrote:Prije svega bio bi srušen Seul unajmnje, burze bi potonule neviđeno, a Kina sigurno ne bi gledala kao im saveznika ruši SAD-e znači nema skoro nikakve šanse za rat osim ako Kim ne udari prvi, a što neće vjerojatno...marcellus wrote:Stvar je jednostavna, Kinezima ne treba rat na 500 km od Pekinga. Amerima ne treba rat, ali ako ga bude vodit će se jako daleko od SAD (ne, Kim ne može gađati SAD iz Sj, Koreje jer interkontinentalnoj balističkoj raketi, kad bi je ovi iz sj. koreje i imali tog dometa, treba gotovo sat vremena da stigne do SAD, a Amerima treba nekoliko sekundi da registriraju lansiranje rakete iz sj. koreje, i imaju je čime rušiti).
Cijena rata u Koreji bi svakako bila veća za Peking nego za SAD - čak i ako ostanu po strani.
Ratom Kina nema što dobiti: uklanjanjem Kima ima.
Ratom Kina ima mnogo za izgubiti, međutim.
kina je rekla da neće mrdnut kurcem, a ako neko udari prvi to može bit samo kim...
seul bi bio srušen, pola sata nakon rušenja seula u sj. koreji ne bi bilo točke s nadmorskom visinom većom od pola metra, zato nikom okolo ne treba ludi kim i svi bi ga radije uklonili nego da ostane, ovako riskiraju da se sve raspadne ko u rumunjskoj i da ameri preuzmu stvari
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Ameri ne mogu preuzeti stvar. To je kinesko dvoriste a povrh toga i rusko....teoretske sanse nema.
epikur37- Posts : 45339
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pa neka Kinezi srede toga prasca, svi sretni i svi zadovoljni. Svijet nastavlja po starom. U suprotnom, čim Kim napravi prvu krupnu grešku, SJ.Koreja postaje USA poligon za test
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pa neka Kinezi srede toga prasca, svi sretni i svi zadovoljni. Svijet nastavlja po starom. U suprotnom, čim Kim napravi prvu krupnu grešku, SJ.Koreja postaje USA poligon za testiranje oružnja
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