Rusi naredili Todoriću da smanji plaće blagajnicama kao uvjet za kredit

Leviathan2 wrote:

RayMabus wrote:

Leviathan2 wrote:
njima treba hrvatska brodogradnja a agrokor je samo probna sonda, da dobiju brodogradilista oni bi otpustili dug agrokoru

Neznam na šta ciljaš al ako misliš na nekakve vojne brodove i to , to i da kupe brodogradilišta nesmiju izvozit u Rusiju ....sad neznam šta ti je napameti al ono to je opet druga tema.

ne vojne, imaju oni ogroman civilni sektor, brodogradnja im je stvarno u kurcu jer ne mogu podmirit vojnu i civilnu a plus toga i ubi ih klima, hrvatska brodogradilista bi im bila vise nego kec na desetku

OK ...jucer je bila neka vijest da otvaraju 100 ( sto ) vojnih baza na nekom polu ..valjda gore kod sebe a moguce da oce i na južni ...mi gradimo ro ro brodove i mislim ledolomce ....to su kao neke službe spašavanja kuraz palaz tj može proc kao nije vojni neg civilni a ima ih i s helidromima i sve to ...dakle ko ledolomac s heliodrom dakle vojni prakticki ...ok ....ima smisla.

RayMabus wrote:

marcellus wrote:

Leviathan2 wrote:
ne treba im agrokor hebate, njima treba agrokor koliko i prst u oko,
njima treba hrvatska brodogradnja a agrokor je samo probna sonda, da dobiju brodogradilista oni bi otpustili dug agrokoru
medjutim ako udju u agrokor to ce im automatski otvorit vrata za dalje,

koji će im kurac škverovi u kini škver kupiš za pet milijuna dolara

Ili u Indiji ...evo sad grade neke fregate ( četri ) za indijsku ratnu mornaricu.

nemojte mi molim vas,
bio sam u indiji, i znam kako indijanci rade, ja nebih od njih uzeo brod ni da mu iz njega daju jos 5 puta toliko para koliko vrijedi, a bogami ni kineskie,
do sad su se jedino bivsa jugoslovenska brodogradilista pokazala kao dovoljno dobra za izradu brodova koji bi podnijeli ruske ekstremne uvjete, bar tako mi rusi tvrde
mogu i oni otici u indiju i narucit 100 brodova, imaju para a indijci bi ih jos tretirali ko bogove, al ne treba im smece,
a ne treba im ni kinesko smece,

Dobro to su fregate za indijsku ratnu mornaricu a ne rusku ...a šta se kineza tice , je oni to mogu al ...sutra dođe do trzavica nekih Kina im blokira bordogradilišta ...ocito oce još negdje naokolo da imaju mogucnost barem pravljenja ovih ledolomaca , ro ro brodova i slicno tj koji se mogu prodat pod civilni.

Japan je inace danas ( il jucer al ovih dana ) pustio u operativni pogon svoj drugi nosac helihoptera ....a Rusi imaju i Pacifik sjeverni plus to im je plovni pravac do sjevernog Atlantika gore ljeti ....tako da ...

...


Japan je uveo u operativnu uporabu drugi nosač helikoptera za potrebe Japanske ratne mornarice. Nosač Kaga, klase Izumo, brod je dugačak oko oko 230 metara, istisnine 27.000 tona, te ima maksimalnu brzinu od 30 čvorova.
Prijevoznik ima pet pozicija za slijetanje i može nositi više od 14 helikoptera. Na njega može sletjeti i Osprey tilt-rotor. Japanski Asahi Shimbun izvijestio je da je Kaga isplovila iz Yokohame u srijedu i bazirat će u luci Kure.
Sa ovim plovilom, Japanska ratna mornarica ima četiri broda koju mogu prevoziti helikoptere, od kojih su dva razarača.

http://www.defender.hr/naslovnica-izdvojeno/japanska-ratna-mornarica-uvela-u-uporabu-drugi-nosac-helikopter/

Trgovački sud u Zagrebu u petak je otvorio stečajni postupak nad tvrtkom Portal Dnevno d.o.o, izdavačem portala Dnevno.hr te je za 4. srpnja zakazao ročište za ispitivanje tražbina vjerovnika te tvrtke s utvrđenim dugom od 7,69 milijuna kuna.

@marc sto ovo znaci ?

veber wrote:marcel opet lupeta. u brodogradnji nestalo 100 000 radnih mjesta i nikom nis.
agrokor pod hitno rasturit, za godinu nitko se nce sjecat agrokora.

nikom niš osim što su svi iselili za irsku

...agrokor nece propasti..pitanje je samo tko ce biti vlasnik....vlast bi vjerojatno htjela da to bude ako ne todoric..bar ono netko od todoricevih ljudi jer je agrokor  bio mjesto uhljebljivanja...propalih politicara ili clanova njihovih obitelji...mislim da se jednostavno vodi partija saha tko zeli koga za vlasnika agrokora ako ej izvjesno da to nece biti todoric...najveci problem su-rusi...kojeg plenki i ekipa zele izbjeci na sve nacine da budu vlasnici agrokora ili da en budu bar vecinski vlasnici...gleda se i na mig iz brisela ili ga se ceka...problem za valdu ej sto osim kineza i rusa nema vecih interesa sa strane da uđu u igru oko agrokora narocito sto bi bili po zelji vlade i plenkija da investitori budu iz eu-a...ili bar netko iz hrvatske ali ovi nemaju dovoljno love i da se svi udruze da preuzmu agrokor

marcellus wrote:

asilovski wrote:

marcellus wrote:a i tko bi ovu nesposobnu vladu zamijeno, harambaša iz metkovića? Mali bero? Prinudni upravitelj iz Brisela, ups pa to već imamo? Ili bi Karamarko trebao ustati iz političkog groba?

Ne, mi smo osuđeni na ovakvu vladu ili neku drugu istu takvu za idućih 20 godina

Onda nas čeka isti rezultat samo u agoniji od 20 godina, znači biraš polaganu smrt, odlično

očekivati da će jednako ponašanje polučiti drukčiji rezultat u novom pokušaju je inače definicija ludila

pa nije jednako ponašanje, samo katarza može inicirati promjenu sve drugo su iluzije jer će oni samo ponavljati isti model dok svi ne odselimo ili propdnemo to je u biti to što gore navodiš

asilovski wrote:

marcellus wrote:

asilovski wrote:

marcellus wrote:a i tko bi ovu nesposobnu vladu zamijeno, harambaša iz metkovića? Mali bero? Prinudni upravitelj iz Brisela, ups pa to već imamo? Ili bi Karamarko trebao ustati iz političkog groba?

Ne, mi smo osuđeni na ovakvu vladu ili neku drugu istu takvu za idućih 20 godina

Onda nas čeka isti rezultat samo u agoniji od 20 godina, znači biraš polaganu smrt, odlično

očekivati da će jednako ponašanje polučiti drukčiji rezultat u novom pokušaju je inače definicija ludila

pa nije jednako ponašanje, samo katarza može inicirati promjenu sve drugo su iluzije jer će oni samo ponavljati isti model dok svi ne odselimo ili propdnemo to je u biti to što gore navodiš

kakva crna katarza samo će radnička fronta i glupi pernar dobit više glasova jer će reć da kapitalizam ne valja

....uglavnom mislim da ce neko vrijeme biti status que oko agrokora...da ce biti neki kompromis...ili prijelazna uprava dok se ne odluci kome ce pripasti agrokor...rekao bi bice postavljena tehnicka uprava koja ce brinuti o najosnovnijim djelatnostima agrokora...

Ti japanski nosaci nece helikoptera vidjeti. Japanci kupuju F35B upravo za te nosace. To je samo po nazivu nosac helikoptera....zapravo se radi o punokrvnom nosacu aviona.

debotoijusto wrote:

Trgovački sud u Zagrebu u petak je otvorio stečajni postupak nad tvrtkom Portal Dnevno d.o.o, izdavačem portala Dnevno.hr te je za 4. srpnja zakazao ročište za ispitivanje tražbina vjerovnika te tvrtke s utvrđenim dugom od 7,69 milijuna kuna.

@marc sto ovo znaci ?

za nas ovdje baš ništa.

marcellus wrote:

asilovski wrote:

marcellus wrote:

asilovski wrote:

marcellus wrote:a i tko bi ovu nesposobnu vladu zamijeno, harambaša iz metkovića? Mali bero? Prinudni upravitelj iz Brisela, ups pa to već imamo? Ili bi Karamarko trebao ustati iz političkog groba?

Ne, mi smo osuđeni na ovakvu vladu ili neku drugu istu takvu za idućih 20 godina

Onda nas čeka isti rezultat samo u agoniji od 20 godina, znači biraš polaganu smrt, odlično

očekivati da će jednako ponašanje polučiti drukčiji rezultat u novom pokušaju je inače definicija ludila

pa nije jednako ponašanje, samo katarza može inicirati promjenu sve drugo su iluzije jer će oni samo ponavljati isti model dok svi ne odselimo ili propdnemo to je u biti to što gore navodiš

kakva crna katarza samo će radnička fronta i glupi pernar dobit više glasova jer će reć da kapitalizam ne valja

Pa ovo ne valja to se valjda slažemo, a hadeze i sdepe žele samo zlo ovom narodu to je valjda isto tako jasno sa ili bez pernara koji je u biti produkt toga što ovdje stvarno ništa ne valja

asilovski wrote:

marcellus wrote:

asilovski wrote:

marcellus wrote:

asilovski wrote:
Onda nas čeka isti rezultat samo u agoniji od 20 godina, znači biraš polaganu smrt, odlično

očekivati da će jednako ponašanje polučiti drukčiji rezultat u novom pokušaju je inače definicija ludila

pa nije jednako ponašanje, samo katarza može inicirati promjenu sve drugo su iluzije jer će oni samo ponavljati isti model dok svi ne odselimo ili propdnemo to je u biti to što gore navodiš

kakva crna katarza samo će radnička fronta i glupi pernar dobit više glasova jer će reć da kapitalizam ne valja

Pa ovo ne valja to se valjda slažemo, a hadeze i sdepe žele samo zlo ovom narodu to je valjda isto tako jasno sa ili bez pernara koji je u biti produkt toga što ovdje stvarno ništa ne valja

pernar je samo malo gluplji tsipras

asilovski wrote:

marcellus wrote:

asilovski wrote:

marcellus wrote:

asilovski wrote:
Onda nas čeka isti rezultat samo u agoniji od 20 godina, znači biraš polaganu smrt, odlično

očekivati da će jednako ponašanje polučiti drukčiji rezultat u novom pokušaju je inače definicija ludila

pa nije jednako ponašanje, samo katarza može inicirati promjenu sve drugo su iluzije jer će oni samo ponavljati isti model dok svi ne odselimo ili propdnemo to je u biti to što gore navodiš

kakva crna katarza samo će radnička fronta i glupi pernar dobit više glasova jer će reć da kapitalizam ne valja

Pa ovo ne valja to se valjda slažemo, a hadeze i sdepe žele samo zlo ovom narodu to je valjda isto tako jasno sa ili bez pernara koji je u biti produkt toga što ovdje stvarno ništa ne valja

ne zele zlo nego ne znaju sto bi sa narodom...o narodu treba mislit..treba raditi i treba se boriti da ljudima bude bolje..a realno to ne znaju ni sdp ni hdz...jer u biti vecina nikad nije ni imala pojma kako obican covjek zivi..ne znaju zivjet stvarnost

vuksadinare wrote:

marcellus wrote:a ne, rusi će svakako kao uvjet za spašavanje korporacije tj dalja ulaganja narediti racionalizaciju poslovanja. Što podrazumijeva otkaze i rezanje plaća da jebe rak raka

-10% svima za početak obično ide i 20% otkaz, iz mog iskustva, kad se spomene racionalizacija poslovanja

i na koncu opet ce se to prelomiti na radnicima...

Ko jebe radnike? Ako im je do socijalizma, nek idu u Sj Koreju ;P

evo asila na ovog si tipa bacao drkicu a u biti samo malo gori vučić

https://www.thenationalherald.com/152642/era-austeritys-tsipras-not-weary-greeks/


March 2, 2017


While Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras – set to impose more pension cuts, tax the poor, allow mass layoffs and dilute workers’ rights – declared Greece’s Era of Austerity was over, 35-year-old Mana Vai was finishing her last day at work in a stationery store, laid off for the 23d time since the country’s crushing economic crisis began seven years ago.

She looked resigned, forlorn but bristled that he said the plight of Greek workers, pensioners and the poor was coming to an end, claiming a deal he’d made with international creditors – for more austerity offset by countermeasures – would bring the country to recovery.

“He is a liar, a big liar. He is a provocateur and it’s worse because people believed in him,” she told The National Herald about Tsipras’ Radical Left SYRIZA party twice winning elections in 2015 only to see the economy continue to spiral downward after he accepted a third bailout, this one for 86 billion euros, and more austerity he since tried to resist.

With his popularity plummeting after reneging on anti-austerity promises, Tsipras has turned more and more to making declarations of success and euphemisms to describe repeated surrenders to the country’s European creditors and their unceasing demands.

Speaking in Parliament, Tsipras called the deal to impose more tough conditions after 2019 when three rescue packages of 326 billion euros ($343.82 billion) expire an “exceptional success,” believed apparently only by him and his party faithful.

“I am fully convinced we achieved an honorable compromise,” Tsipras said, adding that the deal agreed with Eurozone finance ministers – he kept the details secret –showed that Greece would, for the “first time after seven years …leave the path of continued austerity behind us.”

Haralambos Tsardinidis of the Athens-based Institute for International Economic Relations didn’t buy it.

“Negotiations are still going on. What was agreed during the last Eurogroup is to cut money from the social security system and also increase income taxation indirectly” (lowering the tax-free threshold to 5,000 euros ($5,273) a year to go after the poor again, he told TNH.
“This means there wasn’t enough money to consume goods and that will create another recession. He wants to sell to his political audience that it’s over but it’s exactly the opposite,” Tsardinis added. “The poor will be obliged to pay taxes while others are not.”

Under Tsipras, Greece has continued with a brutal program of austerity and unemployment is still at 21.3 percent, the highest in the European Union. His promises to reverse pay cuts, tax hikes and slashed pensions and “crush the oligarchy” have all been overrun.

But Aggelos Tsakanikas, Scientific Advisor to the Foundation for Economic and Industrial Research (IOBE) was more optimistic. “We are heading to a solution of the review. There will be pain but somehow they (SYRIZA) manage the media and their Members of Parliament.”
He said the government has a point in resisting more Draconian measures and the lenders are squeezing too much.

“It is crazy to ask for additional optional measures at this point. It is too much from the creditors side, when the economy is trying to recover and the data are that good (growth instead of recession and a fiscal surplus triple what was anticipated.”

Antonis Klapsis, Academic Coordinator fFor the Centre of International and European Political Economy and Governance at the University of Peloponnese said though: “The era of austerity is not over” yet.

“What he is trying to do is to hold power as long as he can … he is ready to take any harsh measures as long they are going to be implemented after 2018,” he added, believing Tsipras will be out of power then and can blame a new government, likely the New Democracy Conservatives he beat twice but who now have double-digit leads in surveys.

Konstantinos Giatras, who owns a liquor store, said Tsipras is playing to his own party of zealots with speeches that recovery is coming.
“This statement was made before by all Prime Ministers,” he told The National Herald. “He’s just saying this for his partners in SYRIZA.”

He said the reason Tsipras hasn’t had to call snap elections yet is the unwavering backing of his coalition, including the pro-austerity, far-right, marginal, jingoistic Independent Greeks (ANEL) but mainly the Leftists, some of whom have barked about him betraying party principles only to vote the way the way are told and go along with more austerity.




spasitelj grčke od zlih švaba i kapitalizma, do jaja

sto godina će jest govna radi tog idiota

marcellus wrote:

asilovski wrote:

marcellus wrote:

asilovski wrote:

marcellus wrote:

očekivati da će jednako ponašanje polučiti drukčiji rezultat u novom pokušaju je inače definicija ludila

pa nije jednako ponašanje, samo katarza može inicirati promjenu sve drugo su iluzije jer će oni samo ponavljati isti model dok svi ne odselimo ili propdnemo to je u biti to što gore navodiš

kakva crna katarza samo će radnička fronta i glupi pernar dobit više glasova jer će reć da kapitalizam ne valja

Pa ovo ne valja to se valjda slažemo, a hadeze i sdepe žele samo zlo ovom narodu to je valjda isto tako jasno sa ili bez pernara koji je u biti produkt toga što ovdje stvarno ništa ne valja

pernar je samo malo gluplji tsipras

čak i ne, tsipras je Plenki

marcellus wrote:evo asila na ovog si tipa bacao drkicu a u biti samo malo gori vučić

https://www.thenationalherald.com/152642/era-austeritys-tsipras-not-weary-greeks/


March 2, 2017


While Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras – set to impose more pension cuts, tax the poor, allow mass layoffs and dilute workers’ rights – declared Greece’s Era of Austerity was over, 35-year-old Mana Vai was finishing her last day at work in a stationery store, laid off for the 23d time since the country’s crushing economic crisis began seven years ago.

She looked resigned, forlorn but bristled that he said the plight of Greek workers, pensioners and the poor was coming to an end, claiming a deal he’d made with international creditors – for more austerity offset by countermeasures – would bring the country to recovery.

“He is a liar, a big liar. He is a provocateur and it’s worse because people believed in him,” she told The National Herald about Tsipras’ Radical Left SYRIZA party twice winning elections in 2015 only to see the economy continue to spiral downward after he accepted a third bailout, this one for 86 billion euros, and more austerity he since tried to resist.

With his popularity plummeting after reneging on anti-austerity promises, Tsipras has turned more and more to making declarations of success and euphemisms to describe repeated surrenders to the country’s European creditors and their unceasing demands.

Speaking in Parliament, Tsipras called the deal to impose more tough conditions after 2019 when three rescue packages of 326 billion euros ($343.82 billion) expire an “exceptional success,” believed apparently only by him and his party faithful.

“I am fully convinced we achieved an honorable compromise,” Tsipras said, adding that the deal agreed with Eurozone finance ministers – he kept the details secret –showed that Greece would, for the “first time after seven years …leave the path of continued austerity behind us.”

Haralambos Tsardinidis of the Athens-based Institute for International Economic Relations didn’t buy it.

“Negotiations are still going on. What was agreed during the last Eurogroup is to cut money from the social security system and also increase income taxation indirectly” (lowering the tax-free threshold to 5,000 euros ($5,273) a year to go after the poor again, he told TNH.
“This means there wasn’t enough money to consume goods and that will create another recession. He wants to sell to his political audience that it’s over but it’s exactly the opposite,” Tsardinis added. “The poor will be obliged to pay taxes while others are not.”

Under Tsipras, Greece has continued with a brutal program of austerity and unemployment is still at 21.3 percent, the highest in the European Union. His promises to reverse pay cuts, tax hikes and slashed pensions and “crush the oligarchy” have all been overrun.

But Aggelos Tsakanikas, Scientific Advisor to the Foundation for Economic and Industrial Research (IOBE) was more optimistic. “We are heading to a solution of the review. There will be pain but somehow they (SYRIZA) manage the media and their Members of Parliament.”
He said the government has a point in resisting more Draconian measures and the lenders are squeezing too much.

“It is crazy to ask for additional optional measures at this point. It is too much from the creditors side, when the economy is trying to recover and the data are that good (growth instead of recession and a fiscal surplus triple what was anticipated.”

Antonis Klapsis, Academic Coordinator fFor the Centre of International and European Political Economy and Governance at the University of Peloponnese said though: “The era of austerity is not over” yet.

“What he is trying to do is to hold power as long as he can … he is ready to take any harsh measures as long they are going to be implemented after 2018,” he added, believing Tsipras will be out of power then and can blame a new government, likely the New Democracy Conservatives he beat twice but who now have double-digit leads in surveys.

Konstantinos Giatras, who owns a liquor store, said Tsipras is playing to his own party of zealots with speeches that recovery is coming.
“This statement was made before by all Prime Ministers,” he told The National Herald. “He’s just saying this for his partners in SYRIZA.”

He said the reason Tsipras hasn’t had to call snap elections yet is the unwavering backing of his coalition, including the pro-austerity, far-right, marginal, jingoistic Independent Greeks (ANEL) but mainly the Leftists, some of whom have barked about him betraying party principles only to vote the way the way are told and go along with more austerity.




spasitelj grčke od zlih švaba i kapitalizma, do jaja

sto godina će jest govna radi tog idiota

To je veliko razočarenje lik u biti je lažnjak koji radi po direktivi, a što se tiče švaba sada sa Trumpom je ispalo jasno da isti umjetno drže euro i tako jebu sve zemlje EU posebice Francuze i Italiju, a što se tiče Grka sve što rade Švabe u biti na kraju protiv sebe rade, samo je potrebno vrijeme...

marcellus wrote:

asilovski wrote:

marcellus wrote:

asilovski wrote:to bi značilo samo bankrot države i ništa drugo. 150.000 novih nezaposlenih u roku tri mjeseca, potpuni raspad proračuna, raspad realnog sektora, potpuni raspad poljoprivrede, nasilje na ulicama i vjerojatno i glad za dobar dio stanovnika. 

Right up your ally ;P

MaximusDecimusMiridije wrote:Ti japanski nosaci nece helikoptera vidjeti. Japanci kupuju F35B upravo za te nosace. To je samo po nazivu nosac helikoptera....zapravo se radi o punokrvnom nosacu aviona.

Možda poslije za sad ne al sad Ameri direktno idu s time za Japan.

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/first-f-35b-squadron-moves-to-japan

Osobno vjerujem da ce poslije i Japan dobit koji al za sada ipak ovako jer je ta B ipak ono ....polako.