Proizvodnja se seli u SAD-e

by Kermit 16/12/2016, 13:45

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2016-12-12/make-america-make-again

by Kermit 16/12/2016, 13:46

Make America Make Again

Training Workers for the New Economy

By Katherine S. Newman and Hella Winston

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Despite their many differences, the major candidates in the 2016 U.S. presidential election managed to agree on at least one thing: manufacturing jobs must return to the United States. Last April, the Democratic contender Hillary Clinton told a crowd in Michigan, “We are builders, and we need to get back to building!” Her opponent in the Democratic primaries, Senator Bernie Sanders, said the manufacturing sector “must be rebuilt to expand the middle class.” And the Republican candidate Donald Trump bemoaned bad trade deals that he said had robbed the country of good jobs. “‘Made in America,’ remember?” he asked a rally in New Hampshire in September. “You’re seeing it less and less; we’re gonna bring it back.”
It’s true that many manufacturing jobs have left the United States, with the total number falling by about a third since 1980. But the news isn’t all bad. After decades of offshoring, U.S. manufacturing is undergoing something of a renaissance. Rising wages in developing countries, especially China, and increasing U.S. productivity have begun to make the United States much more attractive to manufacturers, who have added nearly half a million jobs since 2010.
But these jobs are not the same as the millions that have disappeared from the United States over the past four decades. Workers in contemporary manufacturing jobs are more likely to spend hours in front of a computer screen than in front of a hot furnace. To do so, they need to know simple programming, electrical engineering, and robotics. These are well-paying, middle-skill jobs that require technical qualifications—but not necessarily a four-year college degree. Between 2012 and 2022, these will account for half of all the new jobs created in the United States.
Yet the U.S. work force is woefully unprepared to take advantage of this opportunity. In New York State, for example, almost 25 percent of these jobs will likely go unfilled. According to a 2015 survey by the consulting firm Deloitte, 82 percent of manufacturing executives expect that

by Guest 16/12/2016, 14:12

To do so, they need to know simple programming, electrical engineering, and robotics. These are well-paying, middle-skill jobs that require technical qualifications—but not necessarily a four-year college degree. Between 2012 and 2022, these will account for half of all the new jobs created in the United States.

by Guest 16/12/2016, 14:16

Pogotovo kada Trump sreže poreze i regulacije, industrija će navaliti..

svi kapitalisti koji su se susreli sa trumpom zadnjih par tjedana, većina njih je bila protiv njega, međutim oduševljeni kada ovaj rekao da će rezati poreze i regulacije.. i to im je as čvrsto obećao, pa ekipa zbog toga već sada investira i zapošljava jer očekuju kada ovaj dođe na vlast da odmah idu rezovi poreza i regulacija..

Elon Musk - nova zvijezda svemirskih istraživanja i direktor Ubera postali trumpovi savjetnici.. tu su i bankari iz Goldmansacksa ministri.. itd..

Trump je napravio odličan savez radnika i kapitalista, Savez Rada i Kapitala hahah

by crvenkasti 16/12/2016, 14:31

Milo Yiannopoulos wrote:To do so, they need to know simple programming, electrical engineering, and robotics. These are well-paying, middle-skill jobs that require technical qualifications—but not necessarily a four-year college degree. Between 2012 and 2022, these will account for half of all the new jobs created in the United States.

Programiranje, elektrotehnika i robotika i nisu neke posebne vještine, ne treba ti faks, to svatko može naučiti u bašči iza kuće.

by vuksadinare 16/12/2016, 14:40

Milo Yiannopoulos wrote:Pogotovo kada Trump sreže poreze i regulacije, industrija će navaliti..

svi kapitalisti koji su se susreli sa trumpom zadnjih par tjedana, većina njih je bila protiv njega, međutim oduševljeni kada ovaj rekao da će rezati poreze i regulacije.. i to im je as čvrsto obećao, pa ekipa zbog toga već sada investira i zapošljava jer očekuju kada ovaj dođe na vlast da odmah idu rezovi poreza i regulacija..

Elon Musk - nova zvijezda svemirskih istraživanja i direktor Ubera postali trumpovi savjetnici.. tu su i bankari iz Goldmansacksa ministri.. itd..

Trump je napravio odličan savez radnika i kapitalista, Savez Rada i Kapitala hahah

...ti bus se od srece upucal

by Guest 16/12/2016, 14:46

crvenkasti wrote:
Milo Yiannopoulos wrote:To do so, they need to know simple programming, electrical engineering, and robotics. These are well-paying, middle-skill jobs that require technical qualifications—but not necessarily a four-year college degree. Between 2012 and 2022, these will account for half of all the new jobs created in the United States.

Programiranje, elektrotehnika i robotika i nisu neke posebne vještine, ne treba ti faks, to svatko može naučiti u bašči iza kuće.

Pa kad su rekli vratiti industriju kući, nisu rekli da će i zapošljavati radnike.

by Guest 16/12/2016, 15:09

crvenkasti wrote:
Milo Yiannopoulos wrote:To do so, they need to know simple programming, electrical engineering, and robotics. These are well-paying, middle-skill jobs that require technical qualifications—but not necessarily a four-year college degree. Between 2012 and 2022, these will account for half of all the new jobs created in the United States.

Programiranje, elektrotehnika i robotika i nisu neke posebne vještine, ne treba ti faks, to svatko može naučiti u bašči iza kuće.

piše "simple", dakle ne radi se u VSS poslovima nužno, evo najbolje da stavim primjer;

meni frend sa faksa, završio u njemačkoj i zaposlio se u proizvodnji, ima dobru plaću, a lik po školovanju nema veze sa industrijom i tehnikom(ekonomist je i gimnaziju završio srednju), ali dali mu u početku u tvornici jednostavne poslove da radi, kada su vidjeli da je inteligentan da li mu sve kompleksnije i kompleksnije itd.. nakon 3godine u njemačkoj , iako je ekonomske struje ima odličan posao i odličnu plaću.. naravno ne radi kao inžinjer nego kao tehničar u proizvodnji ali posao mu je vrlo dobro plaćen čak ..

tako i u USA , nemora svatko biti inžinjer, običan čovjek kroz osnovnu obuku pa onda par godina staža može savladati hrpu toga..

i navodi se u članku, simple programing, simple robotika, itd, to se sve svlada na tečaju za misec dana

by Guest 16/12/2016, 15:20

Milo Yiannopoulos wrote:
crvenkasti wrote:
Milo Yiannopoulos wrote:To do so, they need to know simple programming, electrical engineering, and robotics. These are well-paying, middle-skill jobs that require technical qualifications—but not necessarily a four-year college degree. Between 2012 and 2022, these will account for half of all the new jobs created in the United States.

Programiranje, elektrotehnika i robotika i nisu neke posebne vještine, ne treba ti faks, to svatko može naučiti u bašči iza kuće.
piše "simple", dakle ne radi se u VSS poslovima nužno, evo najbolje da stavim primjer;

meni frend sa faksa, završio u njemačkoj i zaposlio se u proizvodnji, ima dobru plaću, a lik po školovanju nema veze sa industrijom i tehnikom(ekonomist je i gimnaziju završio srednju), ali dali mu u početku u tvornici jednostavne poslove da radi, kada su vidjeli da je inteligentan da li mu sve kompleksnije i kompleksnije itd.. nakon 3godine u njemačkoj , iako je ekonomske struje ima odličan posao i odličnu plaću.. naravno ne radi kao inžinjer nego kao tehničar u proizvodnji ali posao mu je vrlo dobro plaćen čak ..

tako i u USA , nemora svatko biti inžinjer, običan čovjek kroz osnovnu obuku pa onda par godina staža može savladati hrpu toga..

i navodi se u članku, simple programing, simple robotika, itd, to se sve svlada na tečaju za misec dana

wtf are talking about????? one month????? one month misec dana??? neznaš ti taj segment tehnike druže moj.

by Guest 16/12/2016, 15:27

Gnječ wrote:
Milo Yiannopoulos wrote:
crvenkasti wrote:
Milo Yiannopoulos wrote:To do so, they need to know simple programming, electrical engineering, and robotics. These are well-paying, middle-skill jobs that require technical qualifications—but not necessarily a four-year college degree. Between 2012 and 2022, these will account for half of all the new jobs created in the United States.

Programiranje, elektrotehnika i robotika i nisu neke posebne vještine, ne treba ti faks, to svatko može naučiti u bašči iza kuće.
piše "simple", dakle ne radi se u VSS poslovima nužno, evo najbolje da stavim primjer;

meni frend sa faksa, završio u njemačkoj i zaposlio se u proizvodnji, ima dobru plaću, a lik po školovanju nema veze sa industrijom i tehnikom(ekonomist je i gimnaziju završio srednju), ali dali mu u početku u tvornici jednostavne poslove da radi, kada su vidjeli da je inteligentan da li mu sve kompleksnije i kompleksnije itd.. nakon 3godine u njemačkoj , iako je ekonomske struje ima odličan posao i odličnu plaću.. naravno ne radi kao inžinjer nego kao tehničar u proizvodnji ali posao mu je vrlo dobro plaćen čak ..

tako i u USA , nemora svatko biti inžinjer, običan čovjek kroz osnovnu obuku pa onda par godina staža može savladati hrpu toga..

i navodi se u članku, simple programing, simple robotika, itd, to se sve svlada na tečaju za misec dana

wtf are talking about????? one month????? one month misec dana??? neznaš ti taj segment tehnike druže moj.

kako neznam, meni je trebao jedan programčić da mi automatizira dio mojih administracijskih poslova.. i gle čuda, platio sam tečaj 10€ , i svaki dan sam proveo pola ure-uru slušajući taj tečaj iz programiranja dok nakon nekih mjesec dana nisam dobio dovoljno znanja i napisao program koji mi tjedno uštedi nekoliko sati rada... program za iskusnog programera nije nešto težak(iskreno 7linija koda iako frend koji mi je solidan programer kaže da bi mu trebalo isto jedno popodne da zaobiđe sve prepeke) ali ono kaže cura da su takve programe dobijali na 4 i 5 godini faksa za domaći od čega bi većina studenata samo copy/pasteala od par štereba kolega nebi niti potrudili se napisati(zanimljivo jedna njezina kolegica sa faksa se hvali kako nezna 3 linije koda napisati :D :D )..

a svaki dan sam niti pola ure se učio.. netko tko će ići na tečaj od 4 sata dnevno, i onda dobiti zadaću za domaći rad, taj može svladati za misec dana čudo..jebeno čudo..

a bog te ,bilo koji ti je tako posao u životu.. iskreno puno više treba godina iskustva i radnog staža da se proizvede "vrhunski konobar" nego vrhunski programer

by Guest 16/12/2016, 15:29

tako i u njemačkoj traže ljude u proizvodnji i svetac je napisao , da su njemački manageri govorili da ovi arapi ne moraju biti nešto visoko obrazovani da je važno da uče jezik i da bi počeli sa jednostavnijim poslovima..

naravno problem je sa arapima i afganistancima što ne žele raditi kurca

by Guest 16/12/2016, 15:53

Milo Yiannopoulos wrote:tako i u njemačkoj traže ljude u proizvodnji i svetac je napisao , da su njemački manageri govorili da ovi arapi ne moraju biti nešto visoko obrazovani da je važno da uče jezik i da bi počeli sa jednostavnijim poslovima..

naravno problem je sa arapima i afganistancima što ne žele raditi kurca

da ne citiram sve tvoje nadovezat ću se na tvoj zadnji post.

in the frst place ti nisi pročitao tekst na linku ako si ga i pročitao, nisi ga razumio. ti kao i većina hrvata (ne vrijeđam samo komentiram moje dugogodišnje zapažanje ) imate neki čudan da ne kažem bizaran poriv da trivijalizirate sve oko sebe pa tako i zvanja, pslove za vas se sve može naučiti u roku keks u par mjeseci ili misec dana i tako sve je za vas lako samo me čudi zašto ste onda tako sjebani i država vam je sebana a država puna vas lumena svi prštite sofisticiranim znanjima nevjerojatno nešto.

da si čitao tekst sa razumijevanjem shvatio bi da se priča o početku REFORME školstva u USA a ne o tečajima od misec dana.

priča se o vocational education kojeg je USA napustila i zbog toga gubi na tržištu kapitala.

Vocational education is education that prepares people to work in a trade, a craft, as a technician, or in support roles in professions such as engineering, accountancy, nursing, medicine, architecture, or law.

NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE

In the years following World War II, the United States embraced vocational education. High schools prepared students for highly sought-after blue-collar work by training them to become aircraft mechanics or automotive repair technicians. The United States had hundreds of vocational schools where students studied welding, construction, and electrical engineering alongside a standard high school curriculum. These schools helped create a thriving blue-collar middle class.

But by the 1960s, white-collar positions had started to outstrip blue-collar jobs in number and prestige as the service sector came to dominate the economy. In 1963, Congress passed the Vocational Education Act, which provided federal funds to train students who were at an academic or socioeconomic disadvantage. The legislation was well intentioned but had the unintended consequence of encouraging the public to associate vocational education with troubled youth. A decade later, in 1972, the sociologist Richard Sennett found that many young people were embarrassed by their parents’ working-class origins and that older people felt at an increasing distance from their children as those children entered more prestigious jobs than their own. The stigma has stuck: parents in even very poor neighborhoods today believe that attending college is essential for a well-paying career and that middle-skill jobs are an inferior choice for their children. As a result, over the past four decades, the quality of technical education declined as investment in equipment and teacher training fell off, and private-sector interest has waned.

The move away from vocational education accelerated in the 1980s, when a 14-month-long recession triggered a crisis of confidence in U.S. education more generally...

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2016-12-12/make-america-make-again

by **kic** 16/12/2016, 19:53

Milo Yiannopoulos wrote:Pogotovo kada Trump sreže poreze i regulacije, industrija će navaliti..

svi kapitalisti koji su se susreli sa trumpom zadnjih par tjedana, većina njih je bila protiv njega, međutim oduševljeni kada ovaj rekao da će rezati poreze i regulacije.. i to im je as čvrsto obećao, pa ekipa zbog toga već sada investira i zapošljava jer očekuju kada ovaj dođe na vlast da odmah idu rezovi poreza i regulacija..

Elon Musk - nova zvijezda svemirskih istraživanja i direktor Ubera postali trumpovi savjetnici.. tu su i bankari iz Goldmansacksa ministri.. itd..

Trump je napravio odličan savez radnika i kapitalista, Savez Rada i Kapitala hahah

by Guest 17/12/2016, 02:30

Gnječ wrote:
Milo Yiannopoulos wrote:tako i u njemačkoj traže ljude u proizvodnji i svetac je napisao , da su njemački manageri govorili da ovi arapi ne moraju biti nešto visoko obrazovani da je važno da uče jezik i da bi počeli sa jednostavnijim poslovima..

naravno problem je sa arapima i afganistancima što ne žele raditi kurca

da ne citiram sve tvoje nadovezat ću se na tvoj zadnji post.

in the frst place ti nisi pročitao tekst na linku ako si ga i pročitao, nisi ga razumio. ti kao i većina hrvata (ne vrijeđam samo komentiram moje dugogodišnje zapažanje ) imate neki čudan da ne kažem bizaran poriv da trivijalizirate sve oko sebe pa tako i zvanja, pslove za vas se sve može naučiti u roku keks u par mjeseci ili misec dana i tako sve je za vas lako samo me čudi zašto ste onda tako sjebani i država vam je sebana a država puna vas lumena svi prštite sofisticiranim znanjima nevjerojatno nešto.

da si čitao tekst sa razumijevanjem shvatio bi da se priča o početku REFORME školstva u USA a ne o tečajima od misec dana.

priča se o vocational education kojeg je USA napustila i zbog toga gubi na tržištu kapitala.

Vocational education is education that prepares people to work in a trade, a craft, as a technician, or in support roles in professions such as engineering, accountancy, nursing, medicine, architecture, or law.

NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE

In the years following World War II, the United States embraced vocational education. High schools prepared students for highly sought-after blue-collar work by training them to become aircraft mechanics or automotive repair technicians. The United States had hundreds of vocational schools where students studied welding, construction, and electrical engineering alongside a standard high school curriculum. These schools helped create a thriving blue-collar middle class.

But by the 1960s, white-collar positions had started to outstrip blue-collar jobs in number and prestige as the service sector came to dominate the economy. In 1963, Congress passed the Vocational Education Act, which provided federal funds to train students who were at an academic or socioeconomic disadvantage. The legislation was well intentioned but had the unintended consequence of encouraging the public to associate vocational education with troubled youth. A decade later, in 1972, the sociologist Richard Sennett found that many young people were embarrassed by their parents’ working-class origins and that older people felt at an increasing distance from their children as those children entered more prestigious jobs than their own. The stigma has stuck: parents in even very poor neighborhoods today believe that attending college is essential for a well-paying career and that middle-skill jobs are an inferior choice for their children. As a result, over the past four decades, the quality of technical education declined as investment in equipment and teacher training fell off, and private-sector interest has waned.

The move away from vocational education accelerated in the 1980s, when a 14-month-long recession triggered a crisis of confidence in U.S. education more generally...

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2016-12-12/make-america-make-again

lijepo od tebe, inače neda mi se tu i tamo sve čitati, zato i ja kada napišem temu, istaknem bitno i napišen u par rečenica o čemu se radi.. najjači su mi likovi otvore temu, zalipe link i to je to..

by vuksadinare 17/12/2016, 11:19

yoda amerikanos

by Kermit 17/12/2016, 11:41

Đoda nemoj slučajno da tu i tamo čitaš

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