Poljska i Ukrajina pregovaraju o zajedničkoj proizvodnji vojnih helikoptera

Citao sam to za elektrane njihove. 2008-e su im Rusi radili ekspertizu narucenu i izjavili da su sve elektrane u izvrsnom stanju. 2011-e je energoatom potpisao s francuzima ugovor o osuvremenjavanju sve 4 elektrane. E sad....to treba platit :D ono veliki novci....oko miljarda odmah i jos toliko u sljedecih 10 godina. Oni su platili valjda osminu tog iznosa....ali francuzi se nisu bunili kao....neka shema bila "razumijemo financijske probleme u kojima se nalaze nasi Ukrainski prijatelji i namjeravamo im izaci maksimalno u susret"...sta god to znacilo. Osobno mislim da bi trebali sve to pogasiti....iako sve te njihove elektrane nisu cak toliko stare kad se pogleda prosjecna starost n.elektrana danas u svijetu.

vec je bilo curenja radijacije ali se to zataskavalo

Pa curenja radijacije realno imas svugdje. Ali bas svaka zemlja koja ima nuklearnu elektranu je imala problema s time. Japan je uvijek slovio za ono...zadnji krik sigurnosti. Pa im se dogodi sta se dogodilo. Ja sam uvjeren da je vise tu toga iscurilo u more nego sve ostale pizdarije zajedno do sada, ukljucujuci Cernobil. To je problem tih elektrana :) svi uzmu u proracun dobre i lose strane....i lose strane su ono podnosljive po tom zakljucku i svi svejedno sve to naprave.

ma dobro o.k samo sam iznio svoje misljenje,da bilo je curenja radijacije i u drugim zemljama istina

Razlika je sta u vecini uredenih zemalja ono ljudi ozbiljno shvacaju te stvari. U Ukraini je problem sta se povode za retorikom...."ma valjda se nece nista dogoditi" :D

da a citao sam da su ukri sa tockama gadjali neko skladiste nuklearnog otpada u donbasu i promasivali,mada ne puno,mada moguce i da ovi lazu

Nema logike da to naprave. Razmisli....dakle bore se da vrate nazad podrucja odmetnuta. Koja je logika onda gadjati skladista radioaktivnog otpada.....eventualno ih dici u zrak. Sto btw znaci da nemaju ama bas nikakvu kontrolu nad time gdje ce cestice zavrsiti. A u najboljoj situaciji za njih ce pogoditi skladiste,dignut sve u zrak i onda....s vremenom osvojiti regiju koja je razjebana na sljedecih tisucu godina? Nema logike.

u tom ratu nema puno logike,tako da me nista tu nebi iznenadilo,mozda su to uradili iz nemoci,jer ako nisu to vratili dosad tesko ce to ikad i biti uradjeno

LOL ukraincima nebi dao ni MIG21 na remont a kamoli nešto novo da naprave.

"Chinese investment in Israeli tech is just beginning"

China Galaxy Investment Management president Wang Xuejun seeks to expand Israeli-Chinese cooperation.

A Chinese delegation organized by SIMBA (a partnership between Shirat Enterprises, IVC Research Center and Chinese-based private equity fund Mingda Group), which assists both state-owned and private Chinese investors in finding what they are looking for in the Israeli high-tech market, recently visited Israel. Among the members of the delegation was Wang Xuejun, president of China Galaxy Investment Management, who is also president of ZVCA, one of the largest venture capital and private equity organizations in China.
China Galaxy, which was founded in 2007 and is described as an NGO (non-governmental organization), manages capital of 4.5 billion yuan ($675 million), and invests in cleantech, Internet, information technology, and biomed.
ZVCA's aim is to assist Chinese investors in investing outside China and in forming international collaborations.
"China is a great global manufacturing center, and in order to maintain growth in manufacturing we are greatly in need of innovation, and Israel is known for its innovative technology," Wang says in explaining the reasons for the visit. "All the same, Israel is a small market, and so the aim of my visit is also to help Israel companies to grow globally and to work with Chinese companies in order to penetrate the Chinese market," he adds.
Wang says that, among other things, the basis for collaboration between Israeli and Chinese companies is the fact that Israel and China are similar in the way they focus on the education of the next generation. "It is not a matter of similarity between two education systems, but of the importance assigned to education, in the role it plays in technological and economic progress. Furthermore, Israelis are very direct and practical, like me," he said.
The search for innovation and/or new markets does not however abolish all the barriers to different kinds of collaboration between Israel and China. "Because of the language barrier and because of the way each side does business, information does not always flow between them in the right way, and misunderstandings frequently arise," says Wang, "Also, because many businesses in China are state controlled, they cannot always invest directly in Western companies, such as Israeli companies. This is one of the reasons that I came to Israel to form as broad a basis as possible for Israeli-Chinese cooperation."
Is the wave of Chinese investment in Israel just at the beginning, or will we see it slowing as a result of the economic slowdown in China?
"In my opinion, it's just beginning. This is the right time to invest in Israel, but the right people are needed in order for it to happen, and that's true of both sides. There are many people who talk about cooperation but who don't do anything, and that's a kind of bubble."

There are those who say that Israel is starting to lose its status as a startup nation. What's your view?
"For Israel to maintain its technological leadership, it must pay attention to the eco-system of its high-tech industry, that is, and ensure that the government and academic institutions continue to support it, and not just the private sector."
So you see no cause for concern?
"There is no need to worry about technological innovation itself. The concern is over how it is commercialized. Israel is a small market, and, in order to succeed, an Israeli company has to break through the limitations of Israel and form as many collaborations as it can with big markets like China. Israeli entrepreneurs sometimes try to form collaborations from a defensive stance, chiefly protection of intellectual property, and then their caution becomes a barrier. They need to be more open."
Do you see the rush by Israeli entrepreneurs to make an exit, instead of trying to build large companies, as problematic?
"No, it's appropriate to Israel. In Israel, it isn't natural to grow companies and build large companies like in the US. It is therefore legitimate that companies are sold at an early stage, and it's even an advantage. Innovation mainly emerges in small companies. Big companies are much less innovative, and innovation is what needs to be maintained."
Published by Globes [online], Israel business news - www.globes-online.com - on October 18, 2016








Ovo je vijest, jebeš Ukrajinu

MaximusDecimusMiridije wrote:Nema novog motora u tome i je problem. Poljska i Ukraina imaju stare motore koje mogu eventualno ici prilagodjavati novom modelu ali to je u pravilu losa ideja. I jedna i druga zemlja imaju znanje rada sa starim sovjetskim modelima kad su helikopteri u pitanju ali novi motor skroz je novi par rukava. Zato i jesu ti helikopteri jeftiniji jer su opremljeni modificiranim motorima starim 40 godina.

Pa u tome i je trik ; rade svoju verziju Mil Mi-8MT, Mi-14 i Mi-171.

Zbog nečinjenja ili bolje reći nedonošenja odluke o remontu helikoptera Mi-171Sh na vrijeme, dva helikoptera ovog tipa ev.broja 220 i 221 u sastavu HRZ će biti prizemljena početkom prosinca, a nastavi li se isti trend, svi helikopteri će biti prizemljeni do kraja svibnja 2017., doznaje Defender. Neshvatljivo je da se na ovaj način bivša garnitura MORH-a odnosila spram planiranog i potrebnog remonta ovih helikoptera. To nije bila ad-hoc potreba već se za potrebu remonta znalo još početkom godine.

Ne postoji niti jedno razumno objašnjenje za ovakve propuste. Ne postoji niti opcija B u ovakvoj situaciji, nema nikakvih planova ili najava da bi se kojim slučajem išlo u zamjenu helikoptera za onog zapadne proizvodnje. Postoji nekoliko zavoda koji bi mogli odraditi remont Mi-171Sh sa Zrakoplovno tehničkim centrom iz Velike Gorice, a da nisu ruski. Štoviše, prema ugovoru o nabavi Mi-171Sh, ne postoji nikakva obveza hrvatske strane da remont helikoptera moraju obaviti ruski zavodi.

Odluka je već trebala biti donesena prije nekoliko mjeseci. Treba reći kako je remont Mi-171Sh i Mi-8 istovjetan za 80 posto komponenti i dijelova. Nema sumnje kako će postupak nabave odnosno ugovaranja ovog posla u najboljem slučaju trajati barem do početka iduće godine. Dok prvi helikopteri budu otpremljeni u remontni zavod partnera već će biti proljeće.

Još jednom treba naglasiti kako će do kraja svibnja cjelokupna flota Mi-171Sh biti izvan operativne uporabe zbog isteka resursa. Da se kojim slučajem na vrijeme planiralo i donosilo odluke, prva dva helikoptera Mi-171 bi na remont otišla u siječnju 2017. i vratila se sa remonta u postrojbu do početka lipnja 2017. te se tako ne bi dozvolilo da HRZ ostane između lipnja i jeseni 2017. bez ovog tipa helikoptera.
Naravno, uvijek postoje “čudotvorna rješenja po hrvatskom receptu” kao u slučaju produljenja resursa na Mig-21, ali je teško za povjerovati da nakon takvih iskustava netko može u RH učiniti sa Mi-171Sh.

http://www.defender.hr/naslovnica-izdvojeno/tri-helikoptera-mi-171sh-iz-saastava-hrz-i-pzo-prizemljena-zbog-isteka-resursa/





Motor Sich Mil Mi-8MSB

dawson wrote:LOL ukraincima nebi dao ni MIG21 na remont a kamoli nešto novo da naprave.

Poboja sam se da neću vidjeti pametan komentar, i evo ga ipak. Ebali vas Ukri, to je ka kad Kinezi kažu da ulaze na tržište automobila, a ti na samu vijest počneš dizati kineska auta u nebo.