WikiLeaks: Astronaut tražio sastanak sa Obamom zbog vanzemaljaca

WikiLeaks: Astronaut tražio sastanak sa Obamom zbog vanzemaljaca
Šta Vatikan zna o vanzemaljcima? Da li nam preti svemirski rat?
Huffington Post Izvor:  sreda, 12.10.2016. | 13:45

Preminuo Edgar Mičel, astronaut koji je verovao u vanzemaljce

To su pitanja o kojima je jedan bivši astronaut želeo da razgovara sa Obaminim savetnikom Džonom Podestom, stoji u mejlovima koje je u petak objavio WikiLeaks.

Hakovani mejlovi već su privukli veliku pažnju, jer sadrže delove govora Hilari Klinton.

Međutim, dva dokumenta su fokusirana na prisustvo vanzemaljaca u blizini Zemlje. Reč je o mejlovima koje je savetniku Podesti poslao bivši astronaut Edgar Mičel, šesti čovek koji je hodao Mesecom tokom Apollo 14 misije 1971.

On je pisao 18. januara prošle godine tražeći hitan sastanak na kom će se razgovarati o tome kako će vlada predstaviti javnosti vanzemaljske oblike života i nultu energiju – navodnu vanzemaljsku tehnologiju za koju je Mičel verovao da može da se koristi kao izvor beskonačne besplatne energije za našu planetu.

U to vreme Podesta je radio u Obaminoj administraciji. Otišao je nedugo potom.

Mejl je ukazivao da bi sastanku trebalo da prisustvuje i jedan Mičelov kolega, kako bi “nas informisao o vatikanskim saznanjima o vanzemaljskoj inteligenciji”.

Nakon što je napustio svemirski program, Mičel je osnovao Institut noetičkih nauka posvećen razotkrivanju tajni ljudskog uma. On je vrlo otvoreno govorio o svom uverenju da su Zemlju godinama posećivali vanzemaljci i da se podaci o NLO-ima kriju od javnosti.

Mičel je verovatno kontaktirao Podestu, zato što je ovaj bio zainteresovan za iste teme i kritikovao vladu zbog toga što krije informacije od naroda.

U drugom mejlu astronauta, pisao je o “nenasilnim inteligentnim vanzemaljcima koji nam pomažu da dobijemo energiju nulte tačke na Zemlji” i da oni neće tolerisati bilo kakvo vojno nasilje na Zemlji ili u svemiru”.

Mičel je umro u februaru ove godine, a Podesta je sada u kampanji Hilari Klinton. Nije poznato da li je ikada odgovorio na mejlove, ali je za Yahoo rekao da se nije video s Mičelom.

Eroo wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1037471/Apollo-14-astronaut-claims-aliens-HAVE-contact--covered-60-years.html

 Ne sumnjam uopće u postojanje izvanzemaljske inteligencije 

kao i u to da kontakt već postoji i to jako dugo

Pa moguce, ali realno da postoje i da smo svjesni postojanja drugih svjetova i slicno. Onda bi bilo logicno da se moglo s njima suradjivati na neku shemu razmjene tehnologije i slicno da se krene kolonizirati druge svjetove. Te da je visoka politika svjesna postojanja te mogucnosti. Ili postojanja izrazito napredne civilizacije koja zna sve o nama.....onda politika u limitima kugle zemaljske nebi toliko bila orijentiranja na medjusobno jebavanje mile majke jednih drugima.

Hmmmmm ....dal da postam na ovoj temi ili ne ?





Ne.


Imam pametnijeg posla.

MaximusDecimusMiridije wrote: Onda bi bilo logicno da se moglo s njima suradjivati na neku shemu razmjene tehnologije i slicno da se krene kolonizirati druge svjetove.

NIste spremni. Još razmišljate o kolonizaciji iako je tijelo samo vozilo za dušu. Još bi osvajali.

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danas se javi netko tko je vidio vanzemaljce na mjesecu, a sutra netko tko je siguran da na mjesecu ljudi nisu ni bili...

Eto vam pa čitajte :


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[size=34]AN ALIEN SPACESHIP ON THE MOON:[/size] [size=34]INTERVIEW WITH WILLIAM RUTLEDGE,[/size] [size=34]MEMBER OF THE APOLLO XX CREW[/size] A secret joint space mission on the Moon, result of an American-Soviet collaboration taken place in August 1976? Is it possible? Why not, if you consider that the existence of a Federal Agency like NRO (National Reconnaissance Office), and its missions of overhead reconnaissance, “were declassified in September 1992” (according to its official website). And is it really possible that such a collaboration has been prepared to explore a huge alien spaceship found on the backside of the Moon? William Rutledge (according to his story, a man of 76 years old who lives in Rwanda, former of Bell Laboratories and employed by USAF) is the name of the “deep throat” who, since April 2007, has been disclosing information and spreading a lot of video and photographic material on YouTube, about the presumed Apollo XX space mission. His user name on YouTube is “retiredafb”, and the most amazing footage he released so far is the presumed flyover of an ancient alien spaceship found on the backside of the Moon by the Apollo 15 crew. continue Alien Space Ship on the Moon

THE TRUTH ABOUT THE REPORT OF WILLIAM RUTLEDGE.
 
SESSION 26/OCT/07
Medium: Jorge Raul Olguin.

Entity that came to talk: Master Ruanel.

Interlocutor: Are you already incorporated, Master Ruanel?
Ruanel: Yes, it's me.
Interlocutor: Do you agree if we go to the questions directly.
Ruanel: Ok.
Interlocutor: Well. Do you know about William Rutledge?
Ruanel: Yes, of course.
Interlocutor: He is 76 years old at the moment, he lives in Africa and he says he has been an astronaut of the secret Russian-American mission to the Moon, Apollo XX. According to NASA this mission was never made because it was suspended. This alleged mission, as he said was carried out in August of 1976, This mission had the apparent purpose of studying the hidden face of the Moon and a space ship that was on it. As William Rutledge says, the spacecraft was also manned by Leona Snyder and Alexei Leonov. The initial question is, of course, if there was an Apollo XX mission to the Moon.
Ruanel: There was an Apollo XX and they are already taking all the measures to discredit this person. People of the year 1951 have contacted with people of the American Secret Service and with the Russian KGB, as well as suitable journalistic media to discredit all those who support that theory.
That is to say that soon denials will appear, saying that in that moment the astronaut William Rutledge was in some other place that there was no such mission, and he never had contact with any Russian that all are his fantasies, and also to discredit to the Russian family that had contact with the Russian astronaut Alexei Leonov and all those who were witnesses when he told the story.
Interlocutor: Was the Apollo XX manned by these three mentioned people?
Ruanel: Yes, that’s correct.
Interlocutor: Concretely, then, why was this mission secret?
Ruanel: Because during the Apollo XI and the other Apollo missions, some communications had been filtered between the astronauts and the base of Houston, Texas that later on became public. As a consequence, they had to show the whole recorded sequences on television and radio on July 20 of 1969, so that they could filter any abnormal transmission. Are you following me until here?
Interlocutor: Yes, perfectly.
Ruanel: Well. In Apollo XI, the astronauts not only saw ships on the Moon, but also constructions, and there are some audio signals that have been recorded outside of the official recording by people that worked in Houston in that moment. And one or two have been released on the Web, and then NASA was in the "obligation" of discrediting all of them as false, as they always do, with everything they don't want to be known.
Interlocutor: I understand, hiding the mission would reduce to the minimum the risk of filtrations and it would be easier to deny any eventuality.
Ruanel: Correct.
Interlocutor: Here at some moment it was said that NASA doesn't believe in UFOS, in the way that they are present here on Earth, but on the other side it does seem that they do, since they cannot ignore the evidence. How would it be, then, this evaluation?
Ruanel: It is very simple, officially NASA doesn't believe in UFOS, but off the record they do, because many of those that work there and employees for more than 40 years, since 1965 to 2007, they have been witnesses of audio and radar signals that have captured space ships, on films, etc.
Interlocutor: NASA unofficially speaking, Do they know about the existence of the extraterrestrial base in Area 51? Are they in combination?
Ruanel: No, they are not combined, but they have knowledge.
Interlocutor: All those that work in NASA?
Ruanel: No, we are only speaking of the higher authorities.
Interlocutor: I understand.
Ruanel: We are not speaking of the employees that control radars or computers.
Interlocutor: Yes, the point is clear.
Ruanel: Besides, there is a question of common sense. One of the first fallen objects that have been given to know unofficially is the one that everybody knows as "The Roswell Incident", in 1947. If you do the math 60 years have passed.
Interlocutor: It is true.
Ruanel: Three generations of workers have passed there. Boys that were 20 years old have already disincarnated, as it is said in our plane, and well, from the whole generation that worked in 1947 there are very few those who are incarnated.
Interlocutor: Are we speaking of…?
Ruanel: I am speaking of the formation of Area 51, the project Majestic 12, and so on. There are a lot of people involved, hundreds of people that have been discharged due to their old age or because they quit or because they got sick and for one reason or another. And they know with certainty of the extraterrestrial presence on Earth. On the other hand, and this is obvious, they have been forced to sign a document in which they are under the obligation to keep the secret. It is necessary to add also the threats to their families in the case they speak.
Then it is an open secret because in 60 years many people have gone by Area 51, thousands of people. They are not going to kill all the employees that are retired, it would be something impossible. Besides…
Interlocutor: Returning to the topic of Apollo XX we know that it existed and it was carried by those who were mentioned, which was concretely its mission?
Ruanel: The mission was to investigate.
Interlocutor: The constructions?
Ruanel: Not only the constructions, but also to take equipment of a truly fine tuning, where all type of waves, from short wave, X rays, cosmic rays could be measured. They could capture all type of subtle vibrations.
Interlocutor: That is to say to leave those devices on the Moon?
Ruanel: Correct, in a safe place.
Interlocutor: The three crew members, Did they walk on the Moon?
Ruanel: Two of them descended, only Leona Snyder was orbiting the satellite in the ship. But there is something more important to highlight, and it is that they have taken hundreds of pictures with special teams and they have compared them with pictures taken out in the first missions and there are small mountains that don't coincide, let us say that they had prepared the scene.
They have discovered that evidently there are underground places made by extraterrestrials, and it is obvious that now if a ship from China took new pictures it won't visualize any protuberance or something out of place, because everything is hidden.
Interlocutor: I don't understand why the mission Apollo XX had to be secret and why Russia intervened. Did the Americans maybe need the Russians?
Ruanel: Yes, of course, because it was not the first time they made missions together.
Interlocutor: To the Moon?
Ruanel: No, I am not referring to missions to the Moon, but missions at satellital level, orbital stations. It’s a cooperation of many years.
Interlocutor: But concretely which was the reason it was a secret?
Ruanel: Because practically for one century extraterrestrial life on this planet is being concealed by them.
Interlocutor: William Rutledge says that the mission Apollo XX was fundamentally to examine a space ship that was on the hidden face of the Moon. Is that right?
Ruanel: That’s correct; Do you believe that they would disclose that openly?
Interlocutor: No, of course they would not.
Ruanel: Then, before of disguising the mission they chose to conceal it.
Interlocutor: Now I understand. Moving on with the fact that Rutledge and Leonov descended on the Moon, the question is if they visited that space ship.
Ruanel: The answer is affirmative, yes they did it.
Interlocutor: What size did it have? It’s been said it was enormous.
Ruanel: No, it was not so big. A big ship would be detected by any satellite that orbits the Moon immediately. Not from the Earth, of course, because if it is on the hidden face of the Moon, it cannot be perceived.
Interlocutor: What was its size then?
Ruanel: Approximately 150 meters long.(492 feet long)
Interlocutor: One of the purposes of Apollo XX then was to examine this ship?
Ruanel: Yes, correct.
Interlocutor: Was there also some city?
Ruanel: No, not city, but semi-underground bases.
Interlocutor: I watched a movie that Rutledge uploaded on the web where the space ship can be seen, and the logical question is if it is real or false.
Ruanel: It is a hoax.
Interlocutor: Is it false that movie?
Ruanel: That’s right, the real movie has not been disclosed.
Interlocutor: What is real, then?
Ruanel: The trip is real, but the video is a hoax.
Interlocutor: But who did it? Did they deceive Rutledge?
Ruanel: No, he was not deceived, directly he talked to other people that were related to the Secret Service, and these people kept the original video and they replaced it with another false so that if he wanted, he could disclose it. Any expert that examines this video would realize easily that it was not authentic but it was a hoax.
Interlocutor: I have to admit that in my ignorance I thought it was real.
Ruanel: I ratify that they replaced it, just as there are many videos on the Web that are also false, as much of extraterrestrials as UFOS, even with a complete defective film made on purpose to sow the mystery and generate confusion.
Interlocutor: Let’s see if I understood...
Ruanel: Think about this; with any camera of some few hundreds of dollars you can film with an absolute clarity and some even have light incorporated. I am speaking of the digital small ones. How can it be, then that those who are right on the topic record videos without light, with very little resolution, where suddenly the camera focuses badly? That is only made on purpose to simulate as though it were real that they were filmed in a hurry, in emergency and for that reason it was filmed in a precarious way.
Interlocutor: Let’s see if I understood. Willam Rutledge knows positively that the video he uploaded on the web is false, but he did it saying that it was true.
Ruanel: He was powerless... Rutledge wanted to show something with verisimilitude to his story. First, nobody was going to believe him that it was a manned mission, and secondly it happened that directly they told him: "Well, trust us afterwards we’ll disclose the real film". And who would believe him if he said that Men in Black interviewed him? They changed the real video he had in his power replacing it for a false one with the promise that they would publish the real video
Interlocutor: Obviously nobody. So this man had the real film and they replaced it with a false film.
Ruanel: He had a true copy of the real film. He didn’t have the original film because the original film is being kept by NASA.
Interlocutor: I understand. And he had no choice, when he saw they didn't keep their promise but to upload on the web the false film as a mean, almost desperate to give credibility to his story.
Ruanel: Correct.
Interlocutor: Returning to the ship they visited, Did they enter in it? Was it circular or lengthened?
Ruanel: It was oval.
Interlocutor: Then it was rather a local ship, that is to say, it was not to travel through worm holes.
Ruanel: It was only an interplanetary ship.
Interlocutor: Where did it come from?
Ruanel: From the system of Anthea.
Interlocutor: Of the same race of those aliens that had the accident in Roswell?
Ruanel: Correct.
Interlocutor: How old was it? I ask it to know if we are talking about more than a million years.
Ruanel: The ship was very old, one of the first from Anthea, and according to what the thetans of the crew members inform me at this time, they have already taken it from the Moon.
Interlocutor: Is it no longer there anymore?
Ruanel: No, because they came with modern ships and they took all the remains.
Interlocutor: Was there any especial reason?
Ruanel: Simply not to leave vestiges of their presence on the Moon.
Interlocutor: Were there constructions near the fallen ship?
Ruanel: Internal constructions, semi-underground facilities. There were entries by its side, quite hidden.
Interlocutor: Were those constructions also dismantled?
Ruanel: Most of them yes.
Interlocutor: How long ago did the ship fall?
Ruanel: The ship was built approximately 500 years ago, for that reason speaking of more years...
Interlocutor: It is nonsense.
Ruanel: No, not nonsense, but rather it has nothing to do with reality.
Interlocutor: Master, I want to take advantage of this session to update the question about the Moon. At this time, What is on the satellite?
Ruanel: There are different constructions, so much on the visible face as on the hidden face, and most of them have been dismantled because they know that shortly it will be a wave of trips.
Interlocutor: From NASA?
Ruanel: Not only from NASA, because China is also getting ready like a boy with new toy. To prevent that truth be known, they are dismantling everything.
Interlocutor: That is to say they will leave the Moon clear.
Ruanel: They will leave it as it was originally.
Interlocutor: What size did the bigger of these constructions have?
Ruanel: Some of them were of 40.000 m2.( 430.556 square feet)
Interlocutor: And they are dismantling them.
Ruanel: They are dismantling them, obviously front to back- that is to say if somebody sees some crack or something concealed he will only see a cavern, nothing.
Interlocutor: How come front to back?
Ruanel: Sure, from the entrance in the surface to the interior.
Interlocutor: I understand. Now then, Which races have been lately on the Moon?
Ruanel: They have been from Anthea, from Bellatrix 3 and 4, simply to take minerals.
Interlocutor: Are the extraterrestrial races in some connection among them or they ignore from each other?
Ruanel: Since they have more sophisticated devices than terrestrial people, they use some kind detecting technology that allows them to observe the fire capacity of the other ship and detect its energy field. Because all the ships have an energy field as protection against attacks. With the terrestrial weapons that energy field cannot be penetrated. Those energy fields can only be penetrated by energy rays.
Interlocutor: I understand. Here I have the text of the interview to William Rutledge and he mentions "the city."
Ruanel: The city was a great city of 40.000 m2 covered. When I speak of "great" that “great” is referred to an underground place, because 200 * 200 meters practically are nothing. The entrance door has 20 x 20 mts approximately. And then it’s the "great city" that even had artificial atmosphere so that the inhabitants could be there freely.
Interlocutor: Of which race are we speaking?
Ruanel: Of the one I mentioned already, Anthea, of the main extraterrestrials on the Moon.
Interlocutor: And the rest?
Ruanel: The rest investigated from outside from Bellatrix, as I already said, from Orion 3...
Interlocutor: How many aliens were in the contingent from Anthea?
Ruanel: 1000 beings approximately.
Interlocutor: At the present time, then, on the Moon there is nothing is there?
Ruanel: They are dismantling everything.
Interlocutor: How long will it take to clear the moon completely?
Ruanel: I believe that in the 2008 the Moon will be completely cleared. They don’t want to leave any trace so that nobody could check anything. What happens is that civilian companies are planning trips and it’s very hard to "buy" everybody so that they don't speak, or to threaten all of them, and then they prefer to eliminate any extraterrestrial trace directly.
Besides, there would not be possible to hide it because those tourists would film the constructions and they would immediately transmit them to the Earth and they would appear on Internet. The technology to transmit to all the journalists within minutes exists.
Interlocutor: And "Mona Lisa?" Apparently the astronauts found inside the ship a body of a crew member and they called it this way.
Ruanel: No, that is a total invention.
Interlocutor: Inside the ship Wasn’t there any rest of those that had the accident?
Ruanel: No, not at all. How would they be so clumsy to leave corpses in there?
Interlocutor: You are right. But who made it up?
Ruanel: What happens is that false videos appeared and the poor didn't have any choice but to agree so that they leave him alone.
Interlocutor: How is the situation in these moments?
Ruanel: In these moments there are communications between the Secret Services of the two countries involved to speak with the media, the newspapers in order to sow the certainty .Just like they sow the doubts, they also sow certainties that all William Rutledge says is false.
Interlocutor: Concretely, then…
Ruanel: They are sowing false traces and in a given moment they will discredit him completely.
Interlocutor: This person said in the report that something like that could happen in fact. Did the journalist who interviewed him also lie?
Ruanel: The journalist also made his work.
Interlocutor: I understand the concept. In the ship, then, there was nothing.
Ruanel: Correct.
Interlocutor: But what happened then?
Ruanel: The ship had a malfunction in its G field and the G field of the lunar body attracted the ship and it made it crash.
Interlocutor: Did all of the crew members die?
Ruanel: Correct, and they took all of them.
Interlocutor: how many crew members were in the ship?
Ruanel: Approximately 40.
Interlocutor: In the report, the journalist asked Rutledge about the reason that it was necessary to hide UFOs and his answer, in my opinion is senseless, he said it was related to an economic question of the gold…
Ruanel: That would be only to make it believe to an indigenous of 500 years ago...
Interlocutor: I understand the irony. Do I take it as nonsense then?
Ruanel: Of course.
Interlocutor: Well, Master, I believe that there is nothing more to say on this matter.
Ruanel: Correct, let us allow to rest to the vessel some minutes before approaching the second part of the session.
Interlocutor: Well, see you later, Master.
Ruanel: See you later.

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[size=30]THE MOON LANDING[/size] DID MAN REALLY GO TO THE MOON? SESSION 20/JAN/04 Medium: Jorge R. Olguin Entity that came to dialogue: Johnakan Ur-El Interlocutor: There are certain authors who sustain that the man never went to the Moon, and they exhibit pictures of the moon landing that I have seen personally on the Internet, where one can see some strange things clearly, for example shades that should not be there had the man had truly arrived to the satellite. Johnakan Ur-El: From now on, I ratify it expressly that the man did not arrive to the Moon on the date they say, but the astronauts have seen extraterrestrial beings and they have seen their ships. Interlocutor: Then. What is the reason of those apparent mistakes in the pictures? Johnakan Ur-El: In all the places, even inside NASA, there are fanatic people who are against of man exploring space. What do they do then? Well, the same thing that the entities of Error do, they transmit truths mixed with falsehoods so that the lies be accepted more easily. Interlocutor: I understand. Johnakan Ur-El: The pictures were edited, anyone, due to the coarse edition, would realize the deceit. But what would it happen if they put, for example, from ten pictures, two false alongside the other eight true pictures? Automatically one will correlate and exclaim: Oh, there is an error here, and then all the pictures are false, so the man never arrived to the Moon on that date! Do you understand? Interlocutor: Yes, perfectly. Johnakan Ur-El: Good that is what they have done, the moon landing was staged, the technology was not enough to carry on that endeavor, not to mention the radiation from Van Allen belts.  Interlocutor: What I don't understand well is the reason they carried out something like that. Is it a joke perhaps? Johnakan Ur-El: No, it is not related to a joke. What happens is that there are organisms that try to confuse, annulling the space trips. They are fundamentalist who belong to ramifications of certain religions, even the Catholic church, they sustain that the space trips are a work of Satan and not from God. They had to do it also because the risk was so high, the money spent on the project enourmous and the astronauts could have died in the process and they knew they could not afford a huge public embarrassment again, which could have been very tragic. Interlocutor: But this people are dramatizing engrams that dictate them that aberrant behavior! Johnakan Ur-El: Correct. Don't forget what I have already said that religion, definitely, is no more than an engramic implant. SESSION 15/NOV/02 Medium: Jorge Raul Olguin Entity that came to dialogue: Master Ruanel. Interlocutor: Moving on to our Moon, Gurdieff spoke that the moon was a planet in formation. I personally don't believe it. It is also said that there was a civilization there in remote times. What is the truth about this? Ruanel: It has been said that thousands of years ago, the Moon had a small atmosphere that allowed life, and in a given moment the selenites had war with the civilization of Atlantis and both of them were destroyed. Interlocutor: Was it real? Ruanel: No, absolutely not, because Atlantis became extinct for other reasons and not because of a war against alleged selenites. Interlocutor: Did Atlantis become extinct due to nuclear tests that got away from their hands? Ruanel: No. The people of Atlantis were working with solid light and a malfunction in their facilities provoked an imbalance that destroyed the island. Interlocutor: Is it an entire fallacy, then, the lunar civilization? Ruanel: Totally. Interlocutor: What happened to the Moon then? Ruanel: The Moon is a natural satellite of the Earth and in a certain moment it was considered it a double planet, because it is the only satellite of the solar system that has a very big size compared to the Earth. Notice that the other satellites of the other planets are very tiny compared to the satellite of the Earth. Interlocutor: Then there was never a civilization on the Moon? Ruanel: No, not Lunar Civilization. There has been, and there are establishments and extraterrestrial bases, generally on the other side of the Moon. Interlocutor: It is clear. What is the real function of the moon? Ruanel: To the Earth it helps to regulate the tides, for the plants, etc. Interlocutor: Without detriment that in the future it could shelter an entire civilization? Ruanel: Correct. Notice that the Moon is as big as the ninth and the tenth planet. Interlocutor: I find strange that the aliens didn’t develop some civilization there. Ruanel: But there are extraterrestrial bases on the Moon! Interlocutor: Well, I meant in fact to a civilization of certain permanency, because the bases or establishments give the sensation of temporality. What about the idea of Gurdieff that the Moon would end up being as the Earth? Ruanel: There is nothing like that. The Moon is a celestial body very small to have atmosphere. Interlocutor: Is there something else about it that could be interesting on the Moon? Ruanel: No, the main thing has been said.

Yehudi wrote:

 Ne sumnjam uopće u postojanje izvanzemaljske inteligencije 

ja sve više sumnjam u postojanje ovozemaljske

marcellus wrote:

Yehudi wrote:

 Ne sumnjam uopće u postojanje izvanzemaljske inteligencije 

ja sve više sumnjam u postojanje ovozemaljske

Dobar.