Psihopatije

crvenkasti wrote:

frakcija wrote:

crvenkasti wrote:ja sam susjedu Milanu, za kojeg znam da je Srbin, noću gađao prozore na kući kamenjem

vi srbi uvijek sami sebe napadate pa govorite da su to hrvati radili.

Kako drugačije da postanem Hrvat?

eto napadaš srbe samo i deklariraš ko hrvat samo da opanjkaš hrvate..ponašaš se ko srbin, razmišljaš ko srbin..nikad od tebe hrvata..

crvenkasti wrote:

dzmrdz wrote:Kako mislis? U cemu je greska, pravopisu ili logici tabele?

Prezentom se može iskazati i prošlost ili budućnost.

Jučer vidim prijateljicu.
Sutra idem u školu.

A u školu ideš pješice i samo jednom, ovo bi bila ruska logika, jer je krivi glagol kretanja u igri.

Izivini kolega nisi skuzio svrhu tabele. Pod jedan, covek ne vidi niti cuje tigra nego suskanje grmlja. Mozda to nisam stavio u tablicu tj ne vidi se a bitno je!
U tabeli se objasnjava da nisu sve "pogresne" ili "ispravne" odluke iste "tezine".
Tabela ne objasnjava Sistem 1 i 2 od kanemana vec Signal perception theory.
ta teorija u principu objasnjava kako je taj zamisljeni tigar je u stavri oblikovao nasu percepciju.
prakticki odluke koje su imale najmanju stetu a najveci ucinak su prenesene genetski na sledece generacije.

Grmlje suska i covek treba da donese brzo odluku kako da interpretira to.
Scenario u kojem covek zamislja da je tigar prouzrokovao suskanje: Pocinje da bezi, ako je u pravu spasio si je glavu . Ako je u krivu malo se zamorio i to je to. Z#

scenario u kojem covek misli da je suskanje tek vetric mozda ili nista:covek ne bezi i ako je stavrno tigar biva pojeden.
covek ne bezi i ako je stavrno nista onda se nije cak ni umorio od trcanja

Znaci mnogo je bolje bilo trcati za svaki slucaj nego ignorisati suskanje jer u slucaju greske cena je bila zivot.
Tako i mi danas odmah upalimo alarme na najmanju sitnicu jer smo evolucijski oblikovani radi tog "tigra"

frakcija wrote:

crvenkasti wrote:

frakcija wrote:

crvenkasti wrote:ja sam susjedu Milanu, za kojeg znam da je Srbin, noću gađao prozore na kući kamenjem

vi srbi uvijek sami sebe napadate pa govorite da su to hrvati radili.

Kako drugačije da postanem Hrvat?

eto napadaš srbe samo i deklariraš ko hrvat samo da opanjkaš hrvate..ponašaš se ko srbin, razmišljaš ko srbin..nikad od tebe hrvata..

nije istina, ja stvarno mrzim srbe

Izivini kolega nisi skuzio svrhu tabele. Pod jedan, covek ne vidi niti cuje tigra nego suskanje grmlja. Mozda to nisam stavio u tablicu tj ne vidi se a bitno je!
U tabeli se objasnjava da nisu sve "pogresne" ili "ispravne" odluke iste "tezine".
Tabela ne objasnjava Sistem 1 i 2 od kanemana vec Signal perception theory.
ta teorija u principu objasnjava kako je taj zamisljeni tigar je u stavri oblikovao nasu percepciju.
prakticki odluke koje su imale najmanju stetu a najveci ucinak su prenesene genetski na sledece generacije.

Grmlje suska i covek treba da donese brzo odluku kako da interpretira to.
Scenario u kojem covek zamislja da je tigar prouzrokovao suskanje: Pocinje da bezi, ako je u pravu spasio si je glavu . Ako je u krivu malo se zamorio i to je to. Z#

scenario u kojem covek misli da je suskanje tek vetric mozda ili nista:covek ne bezi i ako je stavrno tigar biva pojeden.
covek ne bezi i ako je stavrno nista onda se nije cak ni umorio od trcanja

Znaci mnogo je bolje bilo trcati za svaki slucaj nego ignorisati suskanje jer u slucaju greske cena je bila zivot.
Tako i mi danas odmah upalimo alarme na najmanju sitnicu jer smo evolucijski oblikovani radi tog "tigra"

crvenkasti wrote:

frakcija wrote:

crvenkasti wrote:

frakcija wrote:

crvenkasti wrote:ja sam susjedu Milanu, za kojeg znam da je Srbin, noću gađao prozore na kući kamenjem

vi srbi uvijek sami sebe napadate pa govorite da su to hrvati radili.

Kako drugačije da postanem Hrvat?

eto napadaš srbe samo i deklariraš ko hrvat samo da opanjkaš hrvate..ponašaš se ko srbin, razmišljaš ko srbin..nikad od tebe hrvata..

nije istina, ja stvarno mrzim srbe

jel zbog navedenih karakteristika koje te i samog krase?

frakcija wrote:

crvenkasti wrote:

frakcija wrote:

crvenkasti wrote:

frakcija wrote:
vi srbi uvijek sami sebe napadate pa govorite da su to hrvati radili.

Kako drugačije da postanem Hrvat?

eto napadaš srbe samo i deklariraš ko hrvat samo da opanjkaš hrvate..ponašaš se ko srbin, razmišljaš ko srbin..nikad od tebe hrvata..

nije istina, ja stvarno mrzim srbe

jel zbog navedenih karakteristika koje te i samog krase?

mrzim ih jer su ni se rugali da sam glup, pogotovo moj otac

crvenkasti wrote:

frakcija wrote:

crvenkasti wrote:

frakcija wrote:

crvenkasti wrote:

Kako drugačije da postanem Hrvat?

eto napadaš srbe samo i deklariraš ko hrvat samo da opanjkaš hrvate..ponašaš se ko srbin, razmišljaš ko srbin..nikad od tebe hrvata..

nije istina, ja stvarno mrzim srbe

jel zbog navedenih karakteristika koje te i samog krase?

mrzim ih jer su ni se rugali da sam glup, pogotovo moj otac

zato si sad ustaša, jer je čača komunista
ubičešga isusa ti hriistaa.

crvenkasti wrote:

dzmrdz wrote:Kako mislis? U cemu je greska, pravopisu ili logici tabele?

Prezentom se može iskazati i prošlost ili budućnost.

Jučer vidim prijateljicu.
Sutra idem u školu.

Nema veze prezent ni perfekt nego to spot znači primijetiti. I to najćešće putem osjetila vida, u ovom slučaju tigra osjetilo sluha je beskorisno jer tigar revne na frekvencijama ispod 100Hz pa sve do nekoliko Hertza što već spada u infrazvuk koji je nemoguće čuti osjetilom sluha ali ga se može "osjetiti" kostima. Dakle, budući da čovjek nemože odrediti odakle dolaze tj. smjer tih niskih frekvencija jer su omnidirectional, tako nemože ni odrediti gdje je tigar točno jer može biti iza tebe, može bočno a može biti i ispred tebe. U kom smjeru ćeš trčati ako ga samo čuješ ali ne vidiš? Svaki smjer koji izabereš te potencijalno može dovesti drito pred tigra i opet si najebo. A kad tigar ili lav revnu čovjek se momentalno paralizira ostane "trčati" na mjestu, htio bi pobjeći a nemože, noge ga ne slušaju. Tako ti je to i sa medvjedima.

A tiger's intimidating roar has the power to paralyze the animal that hears it and that even includes experienced human trainers. Elizabeth von Muggenthaler, a bioacoustician from the Fauna Communications Research Institute in North Carolina, presented her research at the Acoustical Society of America meeting in Newport Beach, California on December 7. Bioacoustics is the study of the frequency or pitch, loudness, and duration of animal sounds to learn about an animal's behavior. At the meeting, von Muggenthaler discussed her work analyzing the frequency of tiger sounds to better understand the part of a tiger's roar that we can feel, but can't hear.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/12/001201152406.htm

dzmrdz wrote:Izivini kolega nisi skuzio svrhu tabele. Pod jedan, covek ne vidi niti cuje tigra nego suskanje grmlja. Mozda to nisam stavio u tablicu tj ne vidi se a bitno je!
U tabeli se objasnjava da nisu sve "pogresne" ili "ispravne" odluke iste "tezine".
Tabela ne objasnjava Sistem 1 i 2 od kanemana vec Signal perception theory.
ta teorija u principu objasnjava kako je taj zamisljeni tigar je u stavri oblikovao nasu percepciju.
prakticki odluke koje su imale najmanju stetu a najveci ucinak su prenesene genetski na sledece generacije.

Grmlje suska i covek treba da donese brzo odluku kako da interpretira to.
Scenario u kojem covek zamislja da je tigar prouzrokovao suskanje: Pocinje da bezi, ako je u pravu spasio si je glavu . Ako je u krivu malo se zamorio i to je to. Z#

scenario u kojem covek misli da je suskanje tek vetric mozda ili nista:covek ne bezi i ako je stavrno tigar biva pojeden.
covek ne bezi i ako je stavrno nista onda se nije cak ni umorio od trcanja

Znaci mnogo je bolje bilo trcati za svaki slucaj nego ignorisati suskanje jer u slucaju greske cena je bila zivot.
Tako i mi danas odmah upalimo alarme na najmanju sitnicu jer smo evolucijski oblikovani radi tog "tigra"

Opet se vratimo na onaj sporni to spot the tiger jer tako u tabeli piše.

Kaj s medvjedima ne pomaže trčanje nizbrdo? Oni su u toj disciplini, navodno spori.

Usne Stjepana Gnječa wrote:

dzmrdz wrote:Izivini kolega nisi skuzio svrhu tabele. Pod jedan, covek ne vidi niti cuje tigra nego suskanje grmlja. Mozda to nisam stavio u tablicu tj ne vidi se a bitno je!
U tabeli se objasnjava da nisu sve "pogresne" ili "ispravne" odluke iste "tezine".
Tabela ne objasnjava Sistem 1 i 2 od kanemana vec Signal perception theory.
ta teorija u principu objasnjava kako je taj zamisljeni tigar je u stavri oblikovao nasu percepciju.
prakticki odluke koje su imale najmanju stetu a najveci ucinak su prenesene genetski na sledece generacije.

Grmlje suska i covek treba da donese brzo odluku kako da interpretira to.
Scenario u kojem covek zamislja da je tigar prouzrokovao suskanje: Pocinje da bezi, ako je u pravu spasio si je glavu . Ako je u krivu malo se zamorio i to je to. Z#

scenario u kojem covek misli da je suskanje tek vetric mozda ili nista:covek ne bezi i ako je stavrno tigar biva pojeden.
covek ne bezi i ako je stavrno nista onda se nije cak ni umorio od trcanja

Znaci mnogo je bolje bilo trcati za svaki slucaj nego ignorisati suskanje jer u slucaju greske cena je bila zivot.
Tako i mi danas odmah upalimo alarme na najmanju sitnicu jer smo evolucijski oblikovani radi tog "tigra"

Opet se vratimo na onaj sporni to spot the tiger jer tako u tabeli piše.

Dobro, verovatno su mislili na to da taj covek nakon sto cuje suskanje grmlja pogleda u tom pravcu i uoci tigra dok u drugom scenariju samo cuje a ne gleda uopste u tom pravcu.
Nezgodno je konstruisano, istina ali eto ja ti kazem sta je poenta.

Eva wrote:Kaj s medvjedima ne pomaže trčanje nizbrdo? Oni su u toj disciplini, navodno spori.

These are the four possible outcomes in a situation where two things
are possible and the perceiver can come to two conclusions (it gets
more complicated with more possibilities, such as where there might
be more than one signal, but the principles are the same).

Eva wrote:Kaj s medvjedima ne pomaže trčanje nizbrdo? Oni su u toj disciplini, navodno spori.

Medvjed može dostići brzinu od 60 km/h provjerio ja osobno tako da možeš pobjeći ako nije dovoljno blizu i ako si na nizbrdici i imaš brze noge pa naglo zabrenzaš a medo projuri pokraj tebe ko tenk pod punim gasom. No, pričao sam o tome da ako šetaš šumom gdje ima medvjeda i čuješ ga kako brunda nemožeš odrediti gdje se točno nalazi sve dok ga ne vidiš ili ne počne lomiti suhe grane ako se kreće. Ako leži negdje u grmlju i brunda nema šanse da ćeš ga naći gdje je. Evo ja prošao nisam ni skužio da mi je medvjed ni na desetak metara od mene spava i brunda.

dzmrdz wrote:

Usne Stjepana Gnječa wrote:

dzmrdz wrote:Izivini kolega nisi skuzio svrhu tabele. Pod jedan, covek ne vidi niti cuje tigra nego suskanje grmlja. Mozda to nisam stavio u tablicu tj ne vidi se a bitno je!
U tabeli se objasnjava da nisu sve "pogresne" ili "ispravne" odluke iste "tezine".
Tabela ne objasnjava Sistem 1 i 2 od kanemana vec Signal perception theory.
ta teorija u principu objasnjava kako je taj zamisljeni tigar je u stavri oblikovao nasu percepciju.
prakticki odluke koje su imale najmanju stetu a najveci ucinak su prenesene genetski na sledece generacije.

Grmlje suska i covek treba da donese brzo odluku kako da interpretira to.
Scenario u kojem covek zamislja da je tigar prouzrokovao suskanje: Pocinje da bezi, ako je u pravu spasio si je glavu . Ako je u krivu malo se zamorio i to je to. Z#

scenario u kojem covek misli da je suskanje tek vetric mozda ili nista:covek ne bezi i ako je stavrno tigar biva pojeden.
covek ne bezi i ako je stavrno nista onda se nije cak ni umorio od trcanja

Znaci mnogo je bolje bilo trcati za svaki slucaj nego ignorisati suskanje jer u slucaju greske cena je bila zivot.
Tako i mi danas odmah upalimo alarme na najmanju sitnicu jer smo evolucijski oblikovani radi tog "tigra"

Opet se vratimo na onaj sporni to spot the tiger jer tako u tabeli piše.

Dobro, verovatno su mislili na to da taj covek nakon sto cuje suskanje grmlja pogleda u tom pravcu i uoci tigra dok u drugom scenariju samo cuje a ne gleda uopste u tom pravcu.
Nezgodno je konstruisano, istina ali eto ja ti kazem sta je poenta.

Razumijem sve 5 ali naučnici se nesmiju služiti takvim trikovima i logičkim pogreškama.

Mozda je i zato jer nisi pred sobom imao citav tekst. ja sam citavu knjigu citao pa nisam ni skuzio to posto sam do tabele vec znao o cemu s eradi

dzmrdz wrote:Mozda je i zato jer nisi pred sobom imao citav tekst. ja sam citavu knjigu citao pa nisam ni skuzio to posto sam do tabele vec znao o cemu s eradi

Nisam pročitao knjigu komentiram samo ovu tabelu ali moguće izvađeno iz konteksta dobije se drukčiji zaključak no neovisno o kontekstu glagol to spot se trebalo izbjeći i dukčije preformulirati tabelu.

Ne znam da li si primetio da je u ovoj zadnjoj tabeli to objasnjeno drugacije malo?

dzmrdz wrote:Ne znam da li si primetio da je u ovoj zadnjoj tabeli to objasnjeno drugacije malo?

Da, piše da je pitanje ili razlika između života ili smrti, da li si primijetio tigra. Znači morao si tigra vidjeti ali ok tigar nije mala domaća mačka i ako je šušnuo grm blizu tebe ako je tigar onda ti spasa nema pa trčao warp brzinom jer nećeš ni stići reći tigar i već ćeš biti pojeden.

Importantly whenever there was a tiger it was vital to spot it: doing so meant your ancestor survived, and not doing so meant they did not.

Ali poanta je tu a taj se primjer može lako preslikati na psihopate a tema je upravo o njima.

Evo jedna fotka, ni tigrovi više nisu kao nekad

The Way of the Psychopath

Human beings have been domesticated like cattle over millennia by insidious and ruthless predator-parasites who easily walk among us. Their predatory nature has been largely sanitised and camouflaged by centuries of our begrudging tolerance and cowardly acceptance. Almost all of our great institutional ideas have been adjusted, perverted, corrupted and even radically transformed into environments that greatly favour their ways and tactics.
Economics, governance, education, welfare, health, are now little more than facades of their original ideals filled with processes of entrapment, exploitation and frustration of potential that are working solely to empower and enrich the predators who control them.

Now through the focus of a number of researchers, these predators are coming to light and being described as "successful psychopaths" -- they are composed of the majority of a 5% of humanity, who have successfully avoided being diagnosed clinically and have not been apprehended during criminal and immoral activities and then institutionalised.

The "ways" of the psychopath are simplistic and become easy to observe when we finally learn to see "the wood for the trees" and we learn that many of our critical social and economic "givens" are in fact evolutionary artefacts of the influences that psychopaths have had on our cultures and societies for millennia.

They have told us that, like domestic cattle, we need their fences (controls) and their oversight (surveillance) to protect us from the wolves (or terrorists) that would come and decimate us and our little ones and we have been told that the world is a terrible hostile place and that life is fraught with adversaries, a self--fulfilling prophecy when societies and cultures are governed by psychopaths. Their measures are in reality to make us defensive, terrorised and so easily influenced and ultimately such fear will intellectually infantilise us, divide us and then herd us like cattle for a more thorough and systematic control and exploitation.

The psychopath is operating cognitively at what Economics Nobel prize winner Daniel Kahneman called "System1" or fast thinking, this is a cognitive template that is in place in infancy, the processes of which are situated largely within the limbic system, memory based and emotionally controlled. This type of primitive "fast and dirty" thinking when amplified through trial and error experiences is ideal for operating in chaotic and conflict based environments such as on the battlefield or in video games.

"System2" thinking or slow thinking, on the other hand, is rational, considerate and logical, so being both analytical and constructive, it takes time. The cognitive processes of "System2" take place largely cortically, in the areas of higher brain function and when fully evolved, utilise those higher cognitive functions acquired only through seeking mutually beneficial relationships with others and the environment. This type of advanced slow and empathetic thinking is ideal for dealing with relationships, creativity and complexity.


"System1" or thinking "intuitively" (more like presumptuously) utilises formulae, recipes, scenarios and scripts for actions memorised and recalled in part from past experiences or mimicked from observing the "successful" actions of others in similar circumstances. As Kahneman points out, it is fraught with impulse, assumption and error. Its ONLY real advantages are for fast reflexive responses in conflict and competitive based survival environments where immediacy is the critical factor.

Psychopaths are not just identified by their lack of empathy and conscience and their ruthless, manipulative, single-minded, narcissistic and opportunistic ways but also by their almost total lack of application of "System2" thinking. This means that they have a severe inability to deal with complexity, the welfare of others, or with any further effects of their actions beyond their immediate self-serving objective!

To understand how psychopaths have morphologically influenced the organs of society and culture we need to be aware of those ways and thinking processes outlined above. It's not rocket science to come to the conclusion that if Psychopaths want to have the continual advantage and to prevail, they must turn every type of human dealing and interaction into a virtual conflict or competition. And so creating such adversarial systems is simple but such systems are extremely unintelligent, inefficient and run on flawed structures and processes, the true costs of which, unfortunately, are borne by the rest of us and the planet, and rarely by the psychopath.

All of us, at one time or another, probably often, have personally become victims of a psychopath. In the heat of a confrontation by one, it is almost reflexive to take up a "system1" defensive and competitive position and in doing so our empathy and sense of fairness seriously disadvantages us against the "battle" honed deviousness, ruthlessness and opportunism of the psychopath. It is even easier for the psychopath to sow, nurture and take advantage of division among family, friends, communities, committees, cultures and even countries.

The big, corrupting, ancient and perennial issue then becomes: "In a conflict or competition, wouldn't you rather have a psychopath on your side than against you?" But the end of all such situations is of course not just possible short term "gains" but an inevitable destruction and an environment of on-going conflict, both within and without.

Competition/Conflict is the life's blood of the psychopath and the ultimate psychological contagion that can only be eradicated through a clarity, understanding and then avoidance of the cyclical processes between psychopathy/sociopathy and competition as a human dynamic. Instead we must choose a different path through the conscious development of empathetic mutuality and the consequential maturation of the "System 2" thinking, creativity and complex thinking that gradually arises from such a choice.

Psychopaths and their constructs (ie corporations, political parties) need to be identified, avoided and isolated in such a manner that they have no further destructive influences over places of control, or critical decision-making. Competition spawns few winners and many losers, in an insidious hierarchy of exploitation. The organs of society, which have been perverted to reflect psychopathic ways and objectives should be rebuilt, eradicating competition and using our empathetically acquired higher intelligence, focussed on mutual benefit with true environmental synergy and creativity as its new core.

To understand the effect of the psychopath fully, we must be aware that the retarded infantile nature of his thinking and behaviour and his incapability of creative endeavour, keeps him in an infantile dependent state. He can only take, or be given what he needs and desires, so he focusses greatly on his infantile skills of manipulating others to meet his needs. He does this in a way that is amplified and sophisticated by many years of trial and error experience at "pushing people's emotional buttons" using the emotional tactics of seduction, rejection and menace in all their variations.

Unfortunately the psychopath's attributes of control are uniquely successful in divisive competitive environments like politics and economics, where whole populations have been both intellectually and empathetically suppressed in their development through the cradle to the grave application of competition. For most of us, in order to compete, we have been coerced into attempting to apply seriously faulty "system1" thinking to every aspect of our lives, literally "in the heat of battle" and as a result have abandoned our fertile and complex cognitive potentials.

Education has now been perverted to where its major function is to prepare us for employment in very competitive environments under the direction of psychopaths or their processes and so, by default, pedagogy focusses on the simplistic and "quick and dirty" "system1" limbic memory based cognitive template and the competitive tactics of the psychopath. It is further based on the unspoken assumption that working life is about taking instruction from authorities in the form of recipes, formulae, scripts and scenarios, remembering them in detail and then following them accurately to get the result the instructor demanded.

The price we pay for an education based almost entirely on system1 thinking is that we have severely stunted our cognitive potentials to where most of us are unable to conceptualise or build our own matrixes of understanding about any subject and then going on to create integrated maps of reality. Instead we rely on supposed "authorities" like mainstream media, politicians and "accredited sources" to inform us about their values, their worldview and what they deem should be considered important in life. And these authorities are most often controlled by psychopaths.


http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Way-of-the-Psychopath-by-Duncan-MacMartin-Competition_Conflict_Corporations_Education-150703-198.html