Portugal: Ruski avioni ugasili šest šumskih požara

Rusko Ministarstvo za vanredne situacije saopštilo je da su specijalni ruski avioni ugasili šest šumskih požara u Portugaliji, na površini od oko 1.000 hektara.



Ruski piloti ovom akcijom su spasili dva nacionalna parka i tri naselja, u kojima živi oko 55.000 ljudi.
"Tokom pet dana rada, avioni ruskog Ministarstva za vanredne situacije izvršili su 42 ispuštanja vode, ukupne mase 5.000 tona i ugasili šumske požare na površini od 1.000 hektara", navodi se u saopštenju koje prenosi "Sputnjik".
Ministarstvo je saopštilo da je poslalo dva aviona tipa "Be-200" kao pomoć Portugaliji u gašenju šumskih požara, nakon što je primilo zahtev iz Lisabona.
Avion "Be-200" može da ponese do 12,5 tona vode i ispusti ih za nekoliko sekundi iznad područja zahvaćenog vatrom.

http://www.blic.rs/vesti/svet/portugalija-ruski-avioni-ugasili-sest-sumskih-pozara/db40gx4

Nije zgorega spomenuti da je u gasenju pozara sudjelovalo oko 60 aviona i helikoptera iz 11 europskih zemalja :D . Ali lijepo je vidjeti da netko smatra sebe i svoje iskljucivo zasluznima. Mila majko.

Odlican avion, valjda ima i u putnickoj konfiguraciji.
Turisticki za vas da slece na more, bila bi Svetska atrakcija.

Serbinho-3 wrote:Odlican avion, valjda ima i u putnickoj konfiguraciji.
Turisticki za vas da slece na more, bila bi Svetska atrakcija.

Ima ovih hidroaviona za otoke. NIkidan na Žnjanu u Ohare ( to je Split , južna strana uz more ) pijem pice , lito i ono ovi lete ono odma tu nasuprot ....Split - otoci relacija.





A to tako veliki hidroavioni .....neznam koliko se to uopce koristi u takve turistcko putnicke svrhe u svijetu uopce.

Serbinho-3 wrote:Odlican avion, valjda ima i u putnickoj konfiguraciji.
Turisticki za vas da slece na more, bila bi Svetska atrakcija.

Gledam ....to je leteci brod katagorija :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_boat

Ok al to baš nije od koristi za Jadran gdje im aerodroma kopnenih nego za nekakva teško dostupna prostranastva i tako a ovdje ima ovih malih hidroaviona i to je to a leteci brod je nešto drugo.

Svi hidroavioni su atrakcija, mada je ovaj nesto nevidjeno do sada.
Ima ga i u cargo varijanti, gasenje pozara i valjda putnickoj.
Kod vas bi bio magnet za ostrva da dovlaci putnike a ja bih ga uzeo i za nas, slece na Dunav, Savu.

opaka mašina

Da bih riječ rekao.   Fascinantno.

Kanader je jedno 20 puta bolji avion i pogodniji za gasenje na 9 od 10 pozarista gdje se dogodi potreba za ovakvim avionima. Bolje karakteristike na papiru samoga ruskoga aviona su tu i najveci problem. Zbog vrste motora,tezine samoga aviona i problema kod usporavanja isti ima golemih problema kad se treba gasiti u skucenijim ili planinskim podrucjima. Sami Rusi su rekli u vise navrata i porekli da avion u ovom ili onom izdanju ima velikih problema. Naime sami su rekli da su sami motori preteski te da je tocka pritiska pri spustanju i tankanju takva da nakon duzeg koristenja aviona dolazi do pucanja strukture samih krila. Probali su to ispraviti nekakvom preraspodjelom....sad jeli upalilo neznam. Sjecam se da su rekli da zemlja ima potrebu za 40-tak takvih aviona ma nisu jos krenuli iste kupovati u vecim brojevima. Na papiru je avion genijalno zamisljen. I nema problema velikih kada je situacija idealna pri tocenju (nema jaceg frontalnog vjetra i more-rijeka-jezero su savrseno mirni). Medjutim avion sam mora imati skoro pa idealne uvjete da bi djelovao. Sto je samo po sebi skroz u kurcu. Bili su na korak do kupovine kanadera i sami. Cak su imali zamisao osnivanja grane zrakoplovstva za izvanredne situacija pod kojima bi bili svi avioni za specijalne namjene odvojeno od vojske. Medjutim sve se to nekako razduzilo jer nemaju love za sve i svasta.

I kakva je to novost? Beriev Be-200 je u Portugalu od 2006 godine portugalska vlada je sklopila ugovor sa rusima za taj hidroavion isto kao i druge države pa i USA je naručila taj hidroavion za svoje potrebe. Avion se dobro prodaje ima tržište, motori su BR715 made by Rolls Royce.

Beriev Be-200 Altair - Foreign Sales
These aircraft were expected to be sold to China and certain European countries. In 2005 the Russian government approved the Strategy for the aviation industry development for the period up to 2015. The Strategy envisages a revitalization of innovative activities in the aviation industry. It was decided that, within the frame of the Strategy, resources would be concentrated on specific projects, such as the project for the unique, unparalleled abroad niche aircraft Be-200. "Promotion of these aircraft on the world aviation market will allow, already in the years to come, not only to gain export profits but also to demonstrate serious presence of Russia on the work aviation markets," claims Valeriy Voskoboynikov, the deputy director of the military-industrial complex Department.

The Be-200 multipurpose amphibian was presented for the first time at the IV International Hydro Air Show-2002 in the Russian city of Gelenzhik on September 4-8, 2002. The Air Show saw 9 world records set by the amphibian.

The presentations of the Be-200 were made in a number of countries including France, Germany, Italy, Greece, Malaysia, China, India, and the UAE. The aircraft accomplished firefighting missions in Russia, Italy, Portugal, and Indonesia. The Be-200ChS was successfully operated in Italy in 2004-2005 within the framework of the agreement between Beriev Aircraft Company and SOREM (Italian official firefighting equipment operator of the Civil Defense Department). In 2006 Beriev Aircraft Company concluded a contract with the Portuguese Fire Fighting Services on the lease of Be-200ChS amphibian. According to the contract the aircraft was operated in Portugal suppressing forest fires. French, American and Italian pilots had a chance to operate the aircraft and all of them highly estimated the aircraft’s performance and capacities.

In August 2005 a joint venture CJSC “BETA IR” was set up to carry out Be-200’s promotion program on the world market. The joint venture was established by EADS, Irkut Corporation, Beriev Aircraft Company, and Swiss company ILTA Trade Finance S.A. Be-200’s marketing program in the Asia-Pacific region is carried out in cooperation with the Malaysian DRB-HICOM Defence Technologies SDN BHD.

The marketing investigations made it possible to determine the needs for the B-200 on the internal and World Market. Only for the deliveries for the export it can be required not less than 350 machines of such type. The potential markets for sale Be-200 are considered the countries of southeastern Asia, Mediterranean, South and North America, including Canada. Besides, in a frame of the state visit of the Russian President Vladimir Putin to Malaysia early August 2003 IRKUT Corporation signed an agreement with DRB-Hicom Defense Technologies (Malaysia) to market Be-200 in the South-East Asia.

Engineering development of Be-200 version powered with BR715 engines manufactured by Rolls-Royce is completed. Co-operation agreement between EADS, Rolls-Royce and IRKUT on aircraft certification in accordance with JAR and FAR regulations was signed in the end of 2003. This agreement implies co-operation on Be-200 entering the Western market as well as product support using the existing EADS maintenance network.

In summer 2007, at the request of the Greek government, Russia dispatched several Be-200s to assist Greece in dealing with a spate of forest fires, which killed 68 and destroyed over 200,000 hectares of forest and hundreds of homes in dozens of towns. Russian defence news agency ARMS-TASS reporte in December 2007 that Greece had signed a contract for Beriev Be-200 firefighting amphibians. It would be the first export order for the twin-turbofan flying boat. ARMS-TASS says the head of Russia's ministry for emergencies (MChS) announced the sale at a press conference in Moscow on 26 December. The number of aircraft was not given, but could be between seven and 14, the report said.

On 09 September 2010 the Russian Emergencies Ministry signed a $330 million contract on Thursday with the Beriev design bureau for eight Be-200 amphibious planes for firefighting. The contract was signed at the International Exhibition and Scientific Conference on Hydroaviation, Gidroaviasalon 2010 in Russia's Black Sea resort town of Gelendzhik. The head of the Beriev design bureau, Viktor Kobzev, the aviation chief of Emergencies Ministry, Rafail Zakirov, the head of Russia's United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Alexei Fedorov and the head of the Ukrainian Motor Sich engine manufacturer Vyacheslav Boguslaev signed the deal.

On 20 June 2012 an American company signed up to buy ten Russian-made Beriev Be-200 amphibian aircraft for use in the fire-fighting “airtanker” role, in a breakthrough contract to the U.S. market for the plane. “We have contracted for 10 Be-200s to use by us under expected federal and state fire fighting contracts,” says TTE’s President, David Baskett. TTE would lease the aircraft to airtanker operators in the U.S. The value of the deal was not disclosed, but in 2010 Russia’s Emergencies Ministry signed a $330 million deal for eight of the planes configured for firefighting. The contract award follows months of trials for the US Interagency Air Tanker Board, which promotes safety of airtanker operations in the US. The aircraft was demonstrated in Taganrog, south Russia in May, and made practice water-drop demonstration flights for United States Forest Service officials. The United States had an urgent need to renew its air tanker fleet as many existing planes in the role are obsolete and coming to the end of their lives.

Beriev expected negotiations for licensed production of the Beriev Be-103 and Be-200 amphibians in China to be completed by year-end, the company’s general manager, Victor Kobzev, said in September 2013. Meanwhile, the company will resubmit the 42-metric-ton-mtow Be-200 twinjet to the European Aviation Safety Agency for certification. At the MAKS 2013 Moscow Air Show, Rostec subsidiary KRET (Russian acronym for Radio-electronics Technologies Concern) showed reworked avionics, including some already installed in a Be-200SE-E on the static display.

Beriev Taganrog Aviation Plant Beriev name completed assembly of the first production of the amphibious aircraft Be-200ES which is almost half different from its predecessor, going earlier in Irkutsk. Yuri Slusar, the president of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) told reporters on 30 May 2016. "What has been done in Irkutsk, and what is being done here in Taganrog - are different airplanes. This new aircraft with improved airframe, new equipment composition, which take into account the peculiarities of operation, received over the years." - Said Slusar during the first rollout of the aircraft.

In the near future will begin its testing, after which the Be-200ES joined the Ministry of Emergency Situations. Earlier, the assembly of the aircraft was carried out at the facilities of the Irkutsk Aircraft Production Association. In 2008, it was decided to move the production of this type of aircraft in Taganrog. Be-200ES is almost entirely built of local components, designed to solve problems of fire suppression, emergency assistance in areas of extreme disasters, search and rescue on water, sanitation and freight traffic, monitoring the environment.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/be-200-sales.htm

Ruski baca 12 tona vode, a Canadair 5,5.

kofein wrote:Ruski baca 12 tona vode, a Canadair 5,5.

Kanadski se spusti 3 puta nize nego ruski i pogodi tocnije tocno ono sto gadja. Kanadski bez problema manevrira na naoko uzem podrucju dok Ruski nema ni izbliza takve mogucnosti. Da ne ispadne da serem kvake sami su to rekli za svoj avion. Da je super za nalete i slicno, ali da nije pogodan za neke "finije" operacije. I tu sva prica staje kad je sredozemlje u pitanju. Mozes ga iskoristiti vrhunski za velike pozare. Ali bas za male gdje prekidas nesto prije nego preraste u veliko sranje. Pogotovo ako se radi o planinskim podrucjima tu je kanader Bog i gotovo. U jednu ruku steta do odredene mjere. Da su isli za prvim verzijama i isli sa uvjetno govoreci skupljim motorom propelerskim. Dobili bi daleko bolju letjelicu. Ovako imaju avion odlicnih performansi ali nije za sve namjene . Kanader je naravno masu skuplji. Ako ti je do kapaciteta onda mozes napuniti teretni s 10-20 puta toliko vode pa opet kurac dobijes ako ne pogodis tocno ono sto si gadjao.

MaximusDecimusMiridije wrote:

kofein wrote:Ruski baca 12 tona vode, a Canadair 5,5.

Kanadski se spusti 3 puta nize nego ruski i pogodi tocnije tocno ono sto gadja. Kanadski bez problema manevrira na naoko uzem podrucju dok Ruski nema ni izbliza svoje mogucnosti. Odlican je to avion ali je kanadski s pravom bolji za gasenje. Naravno i masu skuplji. Ako ti je do kapaciteta onda mozes napuniti teretni s 10-20 puta toliko vode pa opet kurac dobijes ako ne pogodis tocno ono sto si gadjao.

Al ga sereš selektivno. Canadair je drukčiji tip hidroaviona, Beriev sasvim drukčiji po svemu osim što služe istoj svrsi. Uspoređivanje jednog i drugog je isto kao da uspoređuješ svoj kurac sa kurcem nekog obdarenog crnca ili kurcem od Pizde koji ima 34cm.

The Beriev Aircraft Company, formerly Beriev Design Bureau, is a Russian aircraft manufacturer (design office prefix Be), specializing in amphibious aircraft. The company was founded in Taganrog in the 1934 as OKB-49 by Georgy Mikhailovich Beriev (born February 13, 1903), and since that time has designed and produced more than 20 different models of aircraft for civilian and military purposes, as well as customized models. Today the Company employs some 3000 specialists and is developing and manufacturing amphibious aircraft.

Pilots flying Beriev seaplanes have broken 228 world aviation records. The records are registered and acknowledged by the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale. In November 1989 BERIEV Aircraft Company became the only defense industry enterprise to win the Prize for Quality awarded by the Government of Russia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beriev

MaximusDecimusMiridije wrote:

kofein wrote:Ruski baca 12 tona vode, a Canadair 5,5.

Kanadski se spusti 3 puta nize nego ruski i pogodi tocnije tocno ono sto gadja. Kanadski bez problema manevrira na naoko uzem podrucju dok Ruski nema ni izbliza svoje mogucnosti. Odlican je to avion ali je kanadski s pravom bolji za gasenje. Naravno i masu skuplji. Ako ti je do kapaciteta onda mozes napuniti teretni s 10-20 puta toliko vode pa opet kurac dobijes ako ne pogodis tocno ono sto si gadjao.

Znam ja da je tvoje područje vojna i bliska joj tehnika, ali ne pokušavaj me uvjeriti da je manje vode bolje.  Svaki na svoj način ima prednosti, primjerice ruske šume gore, da ih ni ne gase, ovi služe za zaštitu naseljenih mjesta valjda. :)

Uh...mamlaz na temi...naletim kasnije :) . Kokodači ti dok terapija ne krene djelovati. Samo polako i bez sekiranja :)

MaximusDecimusMiridije wrote:Uh...mamlaz na temi...naletim kasnije :) . Kokodači ti dok terapija ne krene djelovati. Samo polako i bez sekiranja :)

Pa ti si stvarno samodopadna budala a ja svo vrijeme bijah uvjeren da nisi.

Ajd sklonit ću se ja sa teme Vaša Visosti.

Ruski avioni su napravljeni za Rusiju.. jer recimo požar može izbiti u sibiru, a do prvog velikog jezera su stotine pa i tisuće km.. kanader nema dolet da dobavi gorivo..

sa druge strane Kanader je bogom dan u dalmaciji ., među planimama i brdima

Usne Stjepana Gnječa wrote:

MaximusDecimusMiridije wrote:Uh...mamlaz na temi...naletim kasnije :) . Kokodači ti dok terapija ne krene djelovati. Samo polako i bez sekiranja :)

Pa ti si stvarno samodopadna budala a ja svo vrijeme bijah uvjeren da nisi.

Ajd sklonit ću se ja sa teme Vaša Visosti.

Samo si ga uzrujo.  Odvratan si i ti i tvoji  argumenti.

kofein wrote:

MaximusDecimusMiridije wrote:

kofein wrote:Ruski baca 12 tona vode, a Canadair 5,5.

Kanadski se spusti 3 puta nize nego ruski i pogodi tocnije tocno ono sto gadja. Kanadski bez problema manevrira na naoko uzem podrucju dok Ruski nema ni izbliza svoje mogucnosti. Odlican je to avion ali je kanadski s pravom bolji za gasenje. Naravno i masu skuplji. Ako ti je do kapaciteta onda mozes napuniti teretni s 10-20 puta toliko vode pa opet kurac dobijes ako ne pogodis tocno ono sto si gadjao.

Znam ja da je tvoje područje vojna i bliska joj tehnika, ali ne pokušavaj me uvjeriti da je manje vode bolje.  Svaki na svoj način ima prednosti, primjerice ruske šume gore, da ih ni ne gase, ovi služe za zaštitu naseljenih mjesta valjda. :)

Ne pokusavam. Ako je avion u mogucnosti spustiti 12 tona vode tocno na mjesto na kojem je potrebno da ista sleti normalno da je 12 tona bolje. Ali evo dat cu ti primjer...prije par godina je gorilo bas blizu Metkovica. Pod planinom podrucje na kojem je trebalo manevrirati masu i di je vatra zasla skoro medju kuce. Gdje su kanaderi u bobu spustali bombe tocno gdje je trebalo i citava stvar je stala. Aj me sad uvjeri da ce avion na mlazni pogon s puno manjim manevarskim sposobnostima u malome podrucju napraviti isto. Svodite raspravu jebote opet na to koji je bolji zato jer dolazi iz ovoga ili onoga tabora. Stvar je namjene. Ovaj moze nositi duplo vise vode...ali nemoze biti ni izbliza precizan u djelovanju kao kanader. Gdje je tu vrijedanje samoga modela? Evo spominjes sume ruske. Sjecas se kad je bio onaj veliki pozar bas kraj Moskve. Kad je izgorila ona citava baza vojna zajedno sa avionima,radarima itd.....e uglavnom. Onda su radili bas liniju...cistinu. 27km dugu....350 metara siroku da bi to zaustavili. Aj pogodi koji su avioni natapali cistinu zbog sposobnosti da pogode ciljano bas odredjeno podrucje u sjebanim uvjetima. Ne pljujem po avionu nego isticem razlike. Po performansama,snazi,brzini,kolicini vode....nadmocniji je Beriev. Po sposobnostima i onome za sto je namjenjen. Ne idu ni u istu recenicu. Beriev je primjer kad se islo nesto napraviti toliko dobro za odredenu namjenu da se otislo predaleko i da je avion zbog vlastitih superiornih karakteristika zapravo nesposobniji za namjenu za koju je originalno stvoren.

Usne Stjepana Gnječa wrote:

MaximusDecimusMiridije wrote:Uh...mamlaz na temi...naletim kasnije :) . Kokodači ti dok terapija ne krene djelovati. Samo polako i bez sekiranja :)

Pa ti si stvarno samodopadna budala a ja svo vrijeme bijah uvjeren da nisi.

Ajd sklonit ću se ja sa teme Vaša Visosti.

Da si bio uvjeren u ista nebi direkt s vrijedanjem krenuo. Kako nisi...onda jesi ovo sto ja nisam :)