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The Turkish leader was returning to Istanbul from a holiday near the coastal resort of Marmaris after a faction in the military launched the coup attempt on Friday night, sealing off a bridge across the Bosphorus, trying to capture Istanbul's main airport and sending tanks to parliament in Ankara.
 
A senior Turkish official confirmed to Reuters that Erdogan's business jet had been harassed while flying from the airport that serves Marmaris by two F-16s commandeered by the coup plotters but that he had managed to reach Istanbul safely.
 
"At least two F-16s harassed Erdogan's plane while it was in the air and en route to Istanbul. They locked their radars on his plane and on two other F-16s protecting him," a former military officer with knowledge of the events told Reuters.
 
"Why they didn't fire is a mystery," he said.

asilovski wrote:"Why They Didn't Fire Is A Mystery" - Coup Pilots Had Erdogan's Plane In Their Sights And Did Nothing

Looking back at the failed Turkish coup, one question that nobody has been able to answer is why, if the coup was indeed aserious attempt at government overthrow, did the organizers not do the first thing that military coups have done since time immemorial: either capture, or simply eliminate the existing ruler, the vacationing president Erdogan?
The following brief story will only add to the confusion (or maybe not).
As Reuters reports, at the height of the attempt to overthrow Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan, the rebel pilots of two F-16 fighter jets had Erdogan's plane in their sights. And yet he was able to fly on.
The government narrative, completely fabricated as it may be, is the following:
Erdogan said as the coup unfolded that the plotters had tried to attack him in the resort town of Marmaris and had bombed places he had been at shortly after he left. He "evaded death by minutes", the second official said. Around 25 soldiers in helicopters descended on a hotel in Marmaris on ropes, shooting, just after Erdogan had left in an apparent attempt to seize him,pro-government broadcaster CNN Turk said. Prime Minister Binali Yildirim had also been directly targeted in Istanbul during the coup bid and had narrowly escaped, the official said, without giving details.

Flight tracker websites showed a Gulfstream IV aircraft, a type of business jet owned by the Turkish government, take off from Dalaman airport, which is about an hour and a quarter's drive from Marmaris, at about 2240 GMT on Friday.  It later circled in what appeared to be a holding pattern just south of Istanbul, around the time when a Reuters witness in the airport was still hearing bursts of gunfire, before finally coming in to land.


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It is what happened during Erdogan's trip that is confusing. Again from Reuters:

The Turkish leader was returning to Istanbul from a holiday near the coastal resort of Marmaris after a faction in the military launched the coup attempt on Friday night, sealing off a bridge across the Bosphorus, trying to capture Istanbul's main airport and sending tanks to parliament in Ankara.
 
A senior Turkish official confirmed to Reuters that Erdogan's business jet had been harassed while flying from the airport that serves Marmaris by two F-16s commandeered by the coup plotters but that he had managed to reach Istanbul safely.
 
"At least two F-16s harassed Erdogan's plane while it was in the air and en route to Istanbul. They locked their radars on his plane and on two other F-16s protecting him," a former military officer with knowledge of the events told Reuters.
 
"Why they didn't fire is a mystery," he said.

Actually, now that we have seen the unprecedented crack down on all political opponents including the start of what is set to be a historic witch hunt, it is no mystery at all.

Winter is coming wrote:jebalo nanu ako je taj pilot ubijen slucajno,dobro je rekao lazanski da nebi bio u cipelama tog pilota tu je pogodio u centar

Winter is coming wrote:dobro nije optuzio Kurde i za puch

Ero wrote:

asilovski wrote:[size=42]Tursku su odbranili ezani, salavati i tekbiri: I svemir je odjekivao “Ja Allah, bismillah”[/size]
Juli 16th, 2016

Nikada čovjek bez vjere nije egzistirao. Odkad  postoji uvijek je vjerovao u nešto.
Potisneš li mu jedno vjerovanje, pronađe drugo. Imate primjer u Bosni, ne treba ići daleko.
Europa se odrekla Kršćanstva, a doseljenici se nisu odrekli Islama i to je to.
Vjera (uz jezik) je jedan  najznačajniji od 5 elemeata koji definira  neki narod-naciju.
Bez toga narod ne bi postojao. Bezvjerstvo kao ideologija je rak na narodnom tijelu.

''I have no religion, and at times I wish all religions at the bottom of the sea...'' -

Mustafa Kemal Ataturk

Winter is coming wrote:ajmo sad i ovdje copy pastati citate velikih mislioca kao i na fuckbooku

red wolf wrote:

''I have no religion, and at times I wish all religions at the bottom of the sea...'' -

Mustafa Kemal Ataturk

Čovjek ispred svog vremena.

jokerman wrote:

Ero wrote:

asilovski wrote:[size=42]Tursku su odbranili ezani, salavati i tekbiri: I svemir je odjekivao “Ja Allah, bismillah”[/size]
Juli 16th, 2016

Nikada čovjek bez vjere nije egzistirao. Odkad  postoji uvijek je vjerovao u nešto.
Potisneš li mu jedno vjerovanje, pronađe drugo. Imate primjer u Bosni, ne treba ići daleko.
Europa se odrekla Kršćanstva, a doseljenici se nisu odrekli Islama i to je to.
Vjera (uz jezik) je jedan  najznačajniji od 5 elemeata koji definira  neki narod-naciju.
Bez toga narod ne bi postojao. Bezvjerstvo kao ideologija je rak na narodnom tijelu.

Problem s muslimanskim zivljem je sljedeci. Oni jadni nema u sta drugo da udaraju. Nemaju neka kulturoloska i povijena postignuca s kojim s emogu mjeriti s zapadnom civilizacijom. Nemaju sport, nemaju umjetnost, nemaju kulture, ne u rafiniranom smislu kakav ima zapadni svijet. i onda sta im ostane, nista drugo nego allah alalh, samo je to izvorno njihovo, sve drugo je proizvod zapada. I ta njihova religioznost nije nista drugo nego nego neka bijedni pokusaj davanja vrijednosti vlastitoj kulturi, oni i nemaju na cemu i gradili samopostojanost i samouvjerenost. Oni pate od kompleksa nize vrijednosti kao civilizacija, i imaju debele osnove za to.

Iknar je gay wrote:

red wolf wrote:

''I have no religion, and at times I wish all religions at the bottom of the sea...'' -

Mustafa Kemal Ataturk

Čovjek ispred svog vremena.

Zapravo,već u ono vrijeme postojao je projekat a on je bio jedan od pionira tog projekta.Vjerujem da si ti jedan od rijetki koji možda zna o čemu se radi.

asilovski wrote:

jokerman wrote:

Ero wrote:

asilovski wrote:[size=42]Tursku su odbranili ezani, salavati i tekbiri: I svemir je odjekivao “Ja Allah, bismillah”[/size]
Juli 16th, 2016

Nikada čovjek bez vjere nije egzistirao. Odkad  postoji uvijek je vjerovao u nešto.
Potisneš li mu jedno vjerovanje, pronađe drugo. Imate primjer u Bosni, ne treba ići daleko.
Europa se odrekla Kršćanstva, a doseljenici se nisu odrekli Islama i to je to.
Vjera (uz jezik) je jedan  najznačajniji od 5 elemeata koji definira  neki narod-naciju.
Bez toga narod ne bi postojao. Bezvjerstvo kao ideologija je rak na narodnom tijelu.

Problem s muslimanskim zivljem je sljedeci. Oni jadni nema u sta drugo da udaraju. Nemaju neka kulturoloska i povijena postignuca s kojim s emogu mjeriti s zapadnom civilizacijom. Nemaju sport, nemaju umjetnost, nemaju kulture, ne u rafiniranom smislu kakav ima zapadni svijet. i onda sta im ostane, nista drugo nego allah alalh, samo je to izvorno njihovo, sve drugo je proizvod zapada. I ta njihova religioznost nije nista drugo nego nego neka bijedni pokusaj davanja vrijednosti vlastitoj kulturi, oni i nemaju na cemu i gradili samopostojanost i samouvjerenost. Oni pate od kompleksa nize vrijednosti kao civilizacija, i imaju debele osnove za to.

U biti ne, zapad je taj koji je propao i odrekoa se svoje kulture, vjere i duhovnosti, on je taj Babilon koji propada i koji treba samo da se malo uzdrma i da se kula strovali uz larmu i tresku
islamski ektremizam je zvijer koju su stvorili ameri sa ciljem da naprashi ruse u afganistanu i kasnije da svrgava razne nepodobne rezime,no zvijr se izgleda otrgla kontroli i napala gazdu

red wolf wrote:

Iknar je gay wrote:

red wolf wrote:

''I have no religion, and at times I wish all religions at the bottom of the sea...'' -

Mustafa Kemal Ataturk

Čovjek ispred svog vremena.

Zapravo,već u ono vrijeme postojao je projekat a on je bio jedan od pionira tog projekta.Vjerujem da si ti jedan od rijetki koji možda zna o čemu se radi.

Uvijek, ali uvijek je postojala '' ideja '' o ujedinjenju čovječanstva...I to od vremena rušenja '' kule ''...

Iknar je gay wrote:

red wolf wrote:

Iknar je gay wrote:

red wolf wrote:

''I have no religion, and at times I wish all religions at the bottom of the sea...'' -

Mustafa Kemal Ataturk

Čovjek ispred svog vremena.

Zapravo,već u ono vrijeme postojao je projekat a on je bio jedan od pionira tog projekta.Vjerujem da si ti jedan od rijetki koji možda zna o čemu se radi.

Uvijek, ali uvijek je postojala '' ideja '' o ujedinjenju čovječanstva...I to od vremena rušenja '' kule ''...

Onda pretpostavljam da znaš i čija je to ideja,te tko ju je i iz kog razloga osujetio,no njena provedba će zaživiti,doduše s par tisuć godin zakašnjenja.

Iknar je gay wrote:

red wolf wrote:

''I have no religion, and at times I wish all religions at the bottom of the sea...'' -

Mustafa Kemal Ataturk

Čovjek ispred svog vremena.

Zapravo,već u ono vrijeme postojao je projekat a on je bio jedan od pionira tog projekta.Vjerujem da si ti jedan od rijetki koji možda zna o čemu se radi.