Kad kršćani prolupaju

Iknar je gay wrote:

Usne Stjepana Gnječa wrote:Trebali su ubit tog podivljalog kršćanina a ne jadne lavove. Šta su lavovi krivi što kreten čita Bibliju?

Vjerojatno je umislio kako je Danijel među lavovima.

Nisu mu ništa napravili jer je bog poslao svog anđela. Bog uvijek čini čuda kad čovjek vjeruje srcem.

marcellus wrote:

jastreb wrote:80-tih sam gledao dokumentarac Poslednji krik iz savane

Tito je bio komunjara i deklarirani ateist. Kod tebe je riječ o opsjednuću. Egzorciraj više tog Tita iz sebe.

reko sam ti plave ujutro, a šarene u podne, a sad prestani hiperventilirat i pazi na ljekiće

Iknar je gay wrote:

Usne Stjepana Gnječa wrote:Trebali su ubit tog podivljalog kršćanina a ne jadne lavove. Šta su lavovi krivi što kreten čita Bibliju?

Vjerojatno je umislio kako je Danijel među lavovima.

 Samo šta Danijel nije bio kršćanin 

Yehudi wrote:

Iknar je gay wrote:

Usne Stjepana Gnječa wrote:Trebali su ubit tog podivljalog kršćanina a ne jadne lavove. Šta su lavovi krivi što kreten čita Bibliju?

Vjerojatno je umislio kako je Danijel među lavovima.

 Samo šta Danijel nije bio kršćanin 

Svejedno.S istog izvora pijete vodu.

Iknar je gay wrote:

Yehudi wrote:

Iknar je gay wrote:

Usne Stjepana Gnječa wrote:Trebali su ubit tog podivljalog kršćanina a ne jadne lavove. Šta su lavovi krivi što kreten čita Bibliju?

Vjerojatno je umislio kako je Danijel među lavovima.

 Samo šta Danijel nije bio kršćanin 

Svejedno.S istog izvora pijete vodu.

Ne brini neznaju ni židovi s kog izvora vodu piju. I  židovi su hrpa smrdljivih psihopatskih predatora da im USA ne drži leđa tanka bi govna srali.

A što se tiče kršćana to su plagijatori svega i svačega tako da im nije za vjerovati.

A što se Isusa tiče bilo ih je mnoštvo, bila je inflacija Isusa svih profila:

Was there a Jesus? Of course there was a Jesus – many!


The archetypal Jewish hero was Joshua (the successor of Moses) otherwise known as Yehoshua (Yeshua) bin Nun (‘Jesus of the fish’). Since the name Jesus (Yeshua or Yeshu in Hebrew, Iesous in Greek, source of the English spelling) originally was a title (meaning ‘saviour’, derived from ‘Yahweh Saves’) probably every band in the Jewish resistance had its own hero figure sporting this moniker, among others.

Josephus, the first century Jewish historian mentions no fewer than nineteen different Yeshuas/Jesii, about half of them contemporaries of the supposed Christ! In his Antiquities, of the twenty-eight high priests who held office from the reign of Herod the Great to the fall of the Temple, no fewer than four bore the name Jesus: Jesus ben Phiabi, Jesus ben Sec, Jesus ben Damneus and Jesus ben Gamaliel. Even Saint Paul makes reference to a rival magician, preaching ‘another Jesus’ (2 Corinthians 11,4). The surfeit of early Jesuses includes:

Jesus ben Sirach. This Jesus was reputedly the author of the Book of Sirach (aka 'Ecclesiasticus, or the Wisdom of Jesus the Son of Sirach'), part of Old Testament Apocrypha. Ben Sirach, writing in Greek about 180 BC, brought together Jewish 'wisdom' and Homeric-style heroes.

Jesus ben Pandira. A wonder-worker during the reign of Alexander Jannaeus (106-79 BC), one of the most ruthless of the Maccabean kings. Imprudently, this Jesus launched into a career of end-time prophecy and agitation which upset the king. He met his own premature end-time by being hung on a tree – and on the eve of a Passover. Scholars have speculated this Jesus founded the Essene sect.

Jesus ben Ananias. Beginning in 62AD, this Jesus had caused disquiet in Jerusalem with a non-stop doom-laden mantra of ‘Woe to the city’. He prophesied rather vaguely:

"A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, and a voice against the whole people."

– Josephus, Wars 6.3.

Arrested and flogged by the Romans, Jesus ben Ananias was released as nothing more dangerous than a mad man. He died during the siege of Jerusalem from a rock hurled by a Roman catapult.

Jesus ben Saphat. In the insurrection of 68AD that wrought havoc in Galilee, this Jesus had led the rebels in Tiberias ("the leader of a seditious tumult of mariners and poor people" – Josephus, Life 12.66). When the city was about to fall to Vespasian’s legionaries he fled north to Tarichea on the Sea of Galilee.

Jesus ben Gamala. During 68/69 AD this Jesus was a leader of the ‘peace party’ in the civil war wrecking Judaea. From the walls of Jerusalem he had remonstrated with the besieging Idumeans (led by ‘James and John, sons of Susa’). It did him no good. When the Idumeans breached the walls he was put to death and his body thrown to the dogs and carrion birds.

Jesus ben Thebuth. A priest who, in the final capitulation of the upper city in 69AD, saved his own skin by surrendering the treasures of the Temple, which included two holy candlesticks, goblets of pure gold, sacred curtains and robes of the high priests. The booty figured prominently in the Triumph held for Vespasian and his son Titus.

But was there a crucified Jesus?

Certainly. Jesus ben Stada was a Judean agitator who gave the Romans a headache in the early years of the second century. He met his end in the town of Lydda (twenty five miles from Jerusalem) at the hands of a Roman crucifixion crew. And given the scale that Roman retribution could reach – at the height of the siege of Jerusalem the Romans were crucifying upwards of five hundred captives a day before the city walls – dead heroes called Jesus would (quite literally) have been thick on the ground. Not one merits a full-stop in the great universal history.


But then with so many Jesuses could there not have been a Jesus of Nazareth?

The problem for this notion is that absolutely nothing at all corroborates the sacred biography and yet this 'greatest story' is peppered with numerous anachronisms, contradictions and absurdities. For example, at the time that Joseph and the pregnant Mary are said to have gone off to Bethlehem for a supposed Roman census, Galilee (unlike Judaea) was not a Roman province and therefore ma and pa would have had no reason to make the journey. Even if Galilee had been imperial territory, history knows of no ‘universal census’ ordered by Augustus (nor any other emperor) – and Roman taxes were based on property ownership not on a head count. Then again, we now know that Nazareth did not exist before the second century.

It is mentioned not at all in the Old Testament nor by Josephus, who waged war across the length and breadth of Galilee (a territory about the size of Greater London) and yet Josephus records the names of dozens of other towns. In fact most of the ‘Jesus-action’ takes place in towns of equally doubtful provenance, in hamlets so small only partisan Christians know of their existence (yet well attested pagan cities, with extant ruins, failed to make the Jesus itinerary).

What should alert us to wholesale fakery here is that practically all the events of Jesus’s supposed life appear in the lives of mythical figures of far more ancient origin. Whether we speak of miraculous birth, prodigious youth, miracles or wondrous healings – all such 'signs' had been ascribed to other gods, centuries before any Jewish holy man strolled about. Jesus’s supposed utterances and wisdom statements are equally common place, being variously drawn from Jewish scripture, neo-Platonic philosophy or commentaries made by Stoic and Cynic sages.