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Vođa Republikanaca u senatu sprema izbacivanje Trumpa iz stranke
by Hektorović 12/1/2021, 22:49
McConnell is said to be pleased about impeachment, believing it will be easier to purge Trump from the G.O.P.
Jan. 12, 2021, 4:26 p.m. ET23 minutes ago
Senate Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader, walks to the Senate Chambers in the Capitol building on Wednesday.Erin Schaff/The New York Times
Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader, has told associates that he believes President Trump committed impeachable offenses and that he is pleased that Democrats are moving to impeach him, believing that it will make it easier to purge him from the party, according to people familiar with his thinking. The House is voting on Wednesday to formally charge Mr. Trump with inciting violence against the country.
At the same time, Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the minority leader and one of Mr. Trump’s most steadfast allies in Congress, has asked other Republicans whether he should call on Mr. Trump to resign in the aftermath of the riot at the Capitol last week, according to three Republican officials briefed on the conversations.
While Mr. McCarthy has said he is personally opposed to impeachment, he and other party leaders have decided not to formally lobby Republicans to vote “no,” and an aide to Mr. McCarthy said he was open to a measure censuring Mr. Trump for his conduct. In private, Mr. McCarthy reached out to a leading House Democrat to see if the chamber would be willing to pursue a censure vote, though Speaker Nancy Pelosi has ruled it out.
Taken together, the stances of Congress’s two top Republicans — neither of whom has said publicly that Mr. Trump should resign or be impeached — reflected the politically fraught and fast-moving nature of the crisis that the party faces in the wake of last week’s assault by a pro-Trump mob during a session to formalize President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s electoral victory.
As more violent images emerged on Tuesday from the mayhem wrought by the rioters, including of the brutal attack that ultimately killed a Capitol Police officer, and as lawmakers were briefed about threats of more attacks on the Capitol, rank-and-file Republican lawmakers grew angrier about the president’s role in the violence.
Yet as they attempted to balance the affection their core voters have for Mr. Trump with the now-undeniable political and constitutional threat he posed, Republican congressional leaders who have loyally backed the president for four years were still stepping delicately. Their refusal to demand the president’s resignation and quiet plotting about how to address his conduct highlighted the gnawing uncertainty that they and many other Republicans have about whether they would pay more of a political price for abandoning him or for continuing to enable him after he incited a mob to storm the seat of government.
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Making their task more difficult, Mr. Trump has shown no trace of contrition, telling reporters on Tuesday that his remarks to supporters had been “totally appropriate,” and that it was the specter of his impeachment that was “causing tremendous anger.”
Mr. McConnell, Republican of Kentucky, has indicated that he wants to see the specific article of impeachment that the House is set to approve on Wednesday, which is expected to draw support from as many as a dozen Republicans, potentially including Representative Liz Cheney of Wyoming, the party’s No. 3 in the House. But he has made clear in private discussions that he believes now is the moment to move on from the weakened lame duck, whom he blames for causing Republicans to lose the Senate.
On Monday, Mr. Biden telephoned Mr. McConnell to ask whether it was possible to set up a dual track that would allow the Senate to confirm Mr. Biden’s cabinet nominees and hold a Senate trial at the same time, according to officials briefed on the conversation who disclosed it on condition of anonymity. Far from avoiding the topic of impeaching Mr. Trump, Mr. McConnell said it was a question for the Senate parliamentarian, and promised Mr. Biden a quick answer.
David Popp, a spokesman for Mr. McConnell, declined to comment, pointing a reporter to a speech the senator made from the floor after the attack on the Capitol.
“This failed attempt to obstruct the Congress, this failed insurrection, only underscores how crucial the task before us is for our Republic,” Mr. McConnell said as the Senate reconvened on Wednesday to finish the electoral count disrupted by the siege. “Our nation was founded precisely so that the free choice of the American people is what shapes our self-government and determines the destiny of our nation.”
In the days since the attack, Mr. McCarthy has veered from asking Republican colleagues if he should call on Mr. Trump to resign to privately floating impeachment to his current posture, opposed to impeachment but open to a censure. He even approached Representative Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland, the majority leader, about a censure vote, saying he could deliver a large number of Republican votes for a formal rebuke if Democrats backed off impeachment.
Jan. 12, 2021, 4:26 p.m. ET23 minutes ago
Senate Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader, walks to the Senate Chambers in the Capitol building on Wednesday.Erin Schaff/The New York Times
Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader, has told associates that he believes President Trump committed impeachable offenses and that he is pleased that Democrats are moving to impeach him, believing that it will make it easier to purge him from the party, according to people familiar with his thinking. The House is voting on Wednesday to formally charge Mr. Trump with inciting violence against the country.
At the same time, Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the minority leader and one of Mr. Trump’s most steadfast allies in Congress, has asked other Republicans whether he should call on Mr. Trump to resign in the aftermath of the riot at the Capitol last week, according to three Republican officials briefed on the conversations.
While Mr. McCarthy has said he is personally opposed to impeachment, he and other party leaders have decided not to formally lobby Republicans to vote “no,” and an aide to Mr. McCarthy said he was open to a measure censuring Mr. Trump for his conduct. In private, Mr. McCarthy reached out to a leading House Democrat to see if the chamber would be willing to pursue a censure vote, though Speaker Nancy Pelosi has ruled it out.
Taken together, the stances of Congress’s two top Republicans — neither of whom has said publicly that Mr. Trump should resign or be impeached — reflected the politically fraught and fast-moving nature of the crisis that the party faces in the wake of last week’s assault by a pro-Trump mob during a session to formalize President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s electoral victory.
As more violent images emerged on Tuesday from the mayhem wrought by the rioters, including of the brutal attack that ultimately killed a Capitol Police officer, and as lawmakers were briefed about threats of more attacks on the Capitol, rank-and-file Republican lawmakers grew angrier about the president’s role in the violence.
Yet as they attempted to balance the affection their core voters have for Mr. Trump with the now-undeniable political and constitutional threat he posed, Republican congressional leaders who have loyally backed the president for four years were still stepping delicately. Their refusal to demand the president’s resignation and quiet plotting about how to address his conduct highlighted the gnawing uncertainty that they and many other Republicans have about whether they would pay more of a political price for abandoning him or for continuing to enable him after he incited a mob to storm the seat of government.
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Making their task more difficult, Mr. Trump has shown no trace of contrition, telling reporters on Tuesday that his remarks to supporters had been “totally appropriate,” and that it was the specter of his impeachment that was “causing tremendous anger.”
Mr. McConnell, Republican of Kentucky, has indicated that he wants to see the specific article of impeachment that the House is set to approve on Wednesday, which is expected to draw support from as many as a dozen Republicans, potentially including Representative Liz Cheney of Wyoming, the party’s No. 3 in the House. But he has made clear in private discussions that he believes now is the moment to move on from the weakened lame duck, whom he blames for causing Republicans to lose the Senate.
On Monday, Mr. Biden telephoned Mr. McConnell to ask whether it was possible to set up a dual track that would allow the Senate to confirm Mr. Biden’s cabinet nominees and hold a Senate trial at the same time, according to officials briefed on the conversation who disclosed it on condition of anonymity. Far from avoiding the topic of impeaching Mr. Trump, Mr. McConnell said it was a question for the Senate parliamentarian, and promised Mr. Biden a quick answer.
David Popp, a spokesman for Mr. McConnell, declined to comment, pointing a reporter to a speech the senator made from the floor after the attack on the Capitol.
“This failed attempt to obstruct the Congress, this failed insurrection, only underscores how crucial the task before us is for our Republic,” Mr. McConnell said as the Senate reconvened on Wednesday to finish the electoral count disrupted by the siege. “Our nation was founded precisely so that the free choice of the American people is what shapes our self-government and determines the destiny of our nation.”
In the days since the attack, Mr. McCarthy has veered from asking Republican colleagues if he should call on Mr. Trump to resign to privately floating impeachment to his current posture, opposed to impeachment but open to a censure. He even approached Representative Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland, the majority leader, about a censure vote, saying he could deliver a large number of Republican votes for a formal rebuke if Democrats backed off impeachment.
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Re: Vođa Republikanaca u senatu sprema izbacivanje Trumpa iz stranke
by Hektorović 12/1/2021, 22:50
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/us/mitch-mcconnell-trump-impeachment.html
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Re: Vođa Republikanaca u senatu sprema izbacivanje Trumpa iz stranke
by RayMabus 12/1/2021, 22:53
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Re: Vođa Republikanaca u senatu sprema izbacivanje Trumpa iz stranke
by Hektorović 12/1/2021, 22:54
Pametno, sa Trumpom bi 2024 imali katastrofu
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Re: Vođa Republikanaca u senatu sprema izbacivanje Trumpa iz stranke
by immortal 12/1/2021, 23:02
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Re: Vođa Republikanaca u senatu sprema izbacivanje Trumpa iz stranke
by red wolf 12/1/2021, 23:08
Spašavanje Republikanske stranke. Očekivano i pametno. Kako rekoh neki dan, ovo im je zadnji vlak, da zajedno s Demokratima opozvovu Trumpa.
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Re: Vođa Republikanaca u senatu sprema izbacivanje Trumpa iz stranke
by RayMabus 12/1/2021, 23:11
Jel Trump osuđen po nekoj osnovi ? Ako nije on na iduće izbore izlazi sa svojom vlastitom strankom samo da pomrsi konce Republikancima. To je takvi lik. On će im se osvetit a s obzirom na popularnost uzet će im hrpu glasova i ovi se nemaju čemu nadati na idućim izborima.
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Re: Vođa Republikanaca u senatu sprema izbacivanje Trumpa iz stranke
by red wolf 12/1/2021, 23:13
A ne. Ako ovo prođe, može se pozdravit s karijerom.RayMabus wrote:Jel Trump osuđen po nekoj osnovi ? Ako nije on na iduće izbore izlazi sa svojom vlastitom strankom samo da pomrsi konce Republikancima. To je takvi lik. On će im se osvetit a s obzirom na popularnost uzet će im hrpu glasova i ovi se nemaju čemu nadati na idućim izborima.
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Re: Vođa Republikanaca u senatu sprema izbacivanje Trumpa iz stranke
by RayMabus 12/1/2021, 23:17
To nije točno. Ako nije osuđen po niti jednoj točci optužnice po kojoj bi mu se zakonom moglo zabraniti da osnuje svoju stranku i kandidira se na idućim izborima u Americi on se ima pravo prijaviti kao politička stranka i kandidat koji je nosioc liste.red wolf wrote:A ne. Ako ovo prođe, može se pozdravit s karijerom.RayMabus wrote:Jel Trump osuđen po nekoj osnovi ? Ako nije on na iduće izbore izlazi sa svojom vlastitom strankom samo da pomrsi konce Republikancima. To je takvi lik. On će im se osvetit a s obzirom na popularnost uzet će im hrpu glasova i ovi se nemaju čemu nadati na idućim izborima.
Dakle imat ćemo Demokrate , Republike i Make America great again.
Da si malo bolje gledao izbore vidio bi da ima i drugih političkih stranaka u Americi samo eto to dobije 1-2% pa izgleda da ih nema al Trump će Republikancima na idućim izborima uzet i po 10% u svakoj državi.
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Re: Vođa Republikanaca u senatu sprema izbacivanje Trumpa iz stranke
by red wolf 12/1/2021, 23:19
Ne. Pogledaj sadržaj opoziva. Ako prođe, Trump se može pozdravit s karijerom.RayMabus wrote:To nije točno. Ako nije osuđen po niti jednoj točci optužnice po kojoj bi mu se zakonom moglo zabraniti da osnuje svoju stranku i kandidira se na idućim izborima u Americi on se ima pravo prijaviti kao politička stranka i kandidat koji je nosioc liste.red wolf wrote:A ne. Ako ovo prođe, može se pozdravit s karijerom.RayMabus wrote:Jel Trump osuđen po nekoj osnovi ? Ako nije on na iduće izbore izlazi sa svojom vlastitom strankom samo da pomrsi konce Republikancima. To je takvi lik. On će im se osvetit a s obzirom na popularnost uzet će im hrpu glasova i ovi se nemaju čemu nadati na idućim izborima.
Dakle imat ćemo Demokrate , Republike i Make America great again.
Da si malo bolje gledao izbore vidio bi da ima i drugih političkih stranaka u Americi samo eto to dobije 1-2% pa izgleda da ih nema al Trump će Republikancima na idućim izborima uzet i po 10% u svakoj državi.
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Re: Vođa Republikanaca u senatu sprema izbacivanje Trumpa iz stranke
by RayMabus 12/1/2021, 23:22
Ne znam o kakvom opozivu pričaš. Ovdje je riječ samo o izbacivanju iz jedne politčke stranke i to je sve. Napraviš svoju i pičiš dalje.
A ako mu iz nekog razloga zakonom zabrane a za to ga moraju i optužit e onda je to drugo al ovo to nije
A ako mu iz nekog razloga zakonom zabrane a za to ga moraju i optužit e onda je to drugo al ovo to nije
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Re: Vođa Republikanaca u senatu sprema izbacivanje Trumpa iz stranke
by red wolf 12/1/2021, 23:26
O opozivu koji ide. Ako Republikanci stanu uz Demokrate, to je by by za karijeru Trumpa, a onda ga mogu slobodno i izbaciti iz stranke, što će sigurno učiniti.RayMabus wrote:Ne znam o kakvom opozivu pričaš. Ovdje je riječ samo o izbacivanju iz jedne politčke stranke i to je sve. Napraviš svoju i pičiš dalje.
A ako mu iz nekog razloga zakonom zabrane a za to ga moraju i optužit e onda je to drugo al ovo to nije
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Re: Vođa Republikanaca u senatu sprema izbacivanje Trumpa iz stranke
by RayMabus 12/1/2021, 23:27
Pričaš vjerojatno o ovom opozivu :
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/hr/%25C5%25A1to-se-skriva-iza-mogu%25C4%2587eg-opoziva-trumpa/a-56200782
Pa ako ga Demokrati uspiju opozvat po 14 amandmanu onda da.
14 amandman kaže da onaj tko je sudjelovao u ustanku protiv države nema pravo obnašati nikakvu javnu ni državničku dužnost
No ovo izbacivanje iz stranke to nije , za opoziv ćemo još pričekati oće li Demokrati uspijeti u tome.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/hr/%25C5%25A1to-se-skriva-iza-mogu%25C4%2587eg-opoziva-trumpa/a-56200782
Pa ako ga Demokrati uspiju opozvat po 14 amandmanu onda da.
14 amandman kaže da onaj tko je sudjelovao u ustanku protiv države nema pravo obnašati nikakvu javnu ni državničku dužnost
No ovo izbacivanje iz stranke to nije , za opoziv ćemo još pričekati oće li Demokrati uspijeti u tome.
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Re: Vođa Republikanaca u senatu sprema izbacivanje Trumpa iz stranke
by red wolf 12/1/2021, 23:31
Pročitaj naslov ove teme --> "McConnell is said to be pleased about impeachment, believing it will be easier to purge Trump from the G.O.P.''RayMabus wrote:Pričaš vjerojatno o ovom opozivu :
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/hr/%25C5%25A1to-se-skriva-iza-mogu%25C4%2587eg-opoziva-trumpa/a-56200782
Pa ako ga Demokrati uspiju opozvat po 14 amandmanu onda da.
14 amandman kaže da onaj tko je sudjelovao u ustanku protiv države nema pravo obnašati nikakvu javnu ni državničku dužnost
No ovo izbacivanje iz stranke to nije , za opoziv ćemo još pričekati oće li Demokrati uspijeti u tome.
Usredotoči se na riječ impeachment...Dal ti je sad jasno?
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Re: Vođa Republikanaca u senatu sprema izbacivanje Trumpa iz stranke
by RayMabus 12/1/2021, 23:34
Jasno mi je al još nema nikakvog služnenog opoziva koji je prošao.
https://www.jutarnji.hr/vijesti/svijet/veliki-obrat-u-vrhu-republikanaca-trump-ipak-na-korak-do-opoziva-on-prijeti-pazite-sto-zelite-15042344
Kad to bude ako bude ti ćeš biti u pravu no ovo to još nije.
https://www.jutarnji.hr/vijesti/svijet/veliki-obrat-u-vrhu-republikanaca-trump-ipak-na-korak-do-opoziva-on-prijeti-pazite-sto-zelite-15042344
Kad to bude ako bude ti ćeš biti u pravu no ovo to još nije.
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Re: Vođa Republikanaca u senatu sprema izbacivanje Trumpa iz stranke
by red wolf 12/1/2021, 23:36
Ponovit ću, pogledaj naslov ove teme....RayMabus wrote:Jasno mi je al još nema nikakvog služnenog opoziva koji je prošao.
https://www.jutarnji.hr/vijesti/svijet/veliki-obrat-u-vrhu-republikanaca-trump-ipak-na-korak-do-opoziva-on-prijeti-pazite-sto-zelite-15042344
Kad to bude ako bude ti ćeš biti u pravu no ovo to još nije.
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Re: Vođa Republikanaca u senatu sprema izbacivanje Trumpa iz stranke
by RayMabus 12/1/2021, 23:39
Nisu ga opozvali. Točka. Šta si seronja toliki ?
Kad ga opozovu onda je to to. Za sad nisu. Oće li il ne to nitko ne zna. Nagađamo.
Politika je kurva. Mogu se Republikanci predomislit u zadnji čas i šta onda ?
Neću raspravljat o nećemu šta može i ne mora biti. Kad bude onda ok i ti si u pravu.
Ne budi naporni seronja.
Kad ga opozovu onda je to to. Za sad nisu. Oće li il ne to nitko ne zna. Nagađamo.
Politika je kurva. Mogu se Republikanci predomislit u zadnji čas i šta onda ?
Neću raspravljat o nećemu šta može i ne mora biti. Kad bude onda ok i ti si u pravu.
Ne budi naporni seronja.
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Re: Vođa Republikanaca u senatu sprema izbacivanje Trumpa iz stranke
by RayMabus 12/1/2021, 23:48
Trump je svakako bivši jer oni sad kad su ga izbacili iz stranke to znači da se on ne može kandidirati kao Republikanac nego samo kao vlastita neka stranka a tako neće dobiti izbore nego samo uzet dosta glasova Republikancima na idučim izborima.
Da se to ne desi vrlo vjerojatno će i sami Republikanci bit za opoziv kako im ovi na idučim i bilo kojim izborima u Americi ne bi bio konkurecija.
Sve je to politika no Trump je svakako bivši.
Da se to ne desi vrlo vjerojatno će i sami Republikanci bit za opoziv kako im ovi na idučim i bilo kojim izborima u Americi ne bi bio konkurecija.
Sve je to politika no Trump je svakako bivši.
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Re: Vođa Republikanaca u senatu sprema izbacivanje Trumpa iz stranke
by Hektorović 13/1/2021, 00:30
RayMabus wrote:Trump je svakako bivši jer oni sad kad su ga izbacili iz stranke to znači da se on ne može kandidirati kao Republikanac nego samo kao vlastita neka stranka a tako neće dobiti izbore nego samo uzet dosta glasova Republikancima na idučim izborima.
Da se to ne desi vrlo vjerojatno će i sami Republikanci bit za opoziv kako im ovi na idučim i bilo kojim izborima u Americi ne bi bio konkurecija.
Sve je to politika no Trump je svakako bivši.
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Re: Vođa Republikanaca u senatu sprema izbacivanje Trumpa iz stranke
by darth_vader 13/1/2021, 00:36
Republikanci su zaslužili otići u pičku materinu nakon ovog. Usrane pičkice. Imaju ih pravo jebati sad uzduž i poprijeko. Sabotirali su reizbor vlastitog predstavnika cijelo vrijeme i na kraju mu opet okrenuli leđa.
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