Teškaši Američkog establishmenta objavili op-ed "moramo promijeniti politiku prema Rusiji"

by **Hektorović** 6/8/2020, 22:28

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/08/05/open-letter-russia-policy-391434

Rose Gottemoeller
Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security, 2014-2016

Thomas Graham
Senior Director for Russia, National Security Council staff, 2004-07

Fiona Hill
Senior Director for European and Russian Affairs, National Security Council staff, 2017-19

Jon Huntsman Jr.
Ambassador to Russia, 2017-19

Robert Legvold
Columbia University

Thomas R. Pickering
Ambassador to Russia, 1993-96

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George P. Shultz
Secretary of State, 1982-89

William Perry
Secretary of Defense, 1994-97

Ernest J. Moniz
Secretary of Energy, 2013-17
Nuclear Threat Initiative

Sam Nunn
United States Senator, 1972-97
Nuclear Threat Initiative

Gary Hart
United States Senator, 1975-87

John Hamre
Deputy Secretary of Defense, 1997-2000

John McLaughlin
Deputy Director and Acting Director, CIA, 2000-04
The Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies

James F. Collins
Ambassador to Russia, 1998-2001

John Beyrle
Ambassador to Russia, 2008-12

Meghan O’Sullivan
Deputy National Security Advisor for Iraq and Afghanistan, National Security Council staff, 2005-07
Harvard Kennedy School

Richard Burt
Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and Canada, 1983-85
Global Zero

Thomas Countryman
Assistant Secretary of State for International Security and Nonproliferation, 2011-17

J. Stapleton Roy
Assistant Secretary of State for Intelligence and Research, 1999-2000
Kissinger Institute on China and the United States, Wilson Center

Joseph S. Nye
Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs, 1994-95
Harvard University

Graham Allison
Assistant Secretary of Defense for Policy and Plans, 1993-94
Harvard Kennedy School

Gen. (ret.) Charles Boyd
Deputy Commander-in-Chief, U.S. European Command, 1992-95
Center for the National Interest

George Beebe
Former Director of Russia Analysis, CIA

Mark R. Beissinger
Princeton University

Richard K. Betts
Columbia University

Coit D. Blacker
Senior Director for Russian, Ukrainian and Eurasian Affairs, National Security Council, 1995-96
Stanford University

Barry Blechman
Stimson Center

Ian Bremmer
Eurasia Group

George Breslauer
University of California at Berkeley

Edmund G. Brown, Jr.
Governor of California, 1975-1983, 2011-2019
Bulletin of Atomic Scientists

Larry Caldwell
Occidental College

Samuel Charap
Senior Advisor to the Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and International Security, 2011-12

Peter Clement
Columbia University, School of International and Public Affairs

Timothy Colton
Harvard University

Keith Darden
American University

Jill Dougherty
Georgetown University

Daniel Drezner
The Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy

Gloria Duffy
Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, 1993-95

Susan Elliott
National Committee on American Foreign Policy

Robert David English
University of Southern California

Brian Finlay
Stimson Center

Rosemarie C. Forsythe
Director for Russian, Ukrainian, and Eurasian Affairs, National Security Council staff, 1993-95

Nancy W. Gallagher
University of Maryland

James Goldgeier
American University

Thane Gustafson
Georgetown University

Sheila Gwaltney
U.S. Ambassador (ret.)

Siegfried S. Hecker
Stanford University

Martin E. Hellman
Stanford University

Richard E. Hoagland
Caspian Policy Center

David J. Holloway
Stanford University

Arnold Horelick
The RAND Corporation

Edward Ifft
Deputy Director of the On-Site Inspection Agency, 1991-98
Stanford University

Robert Jervis
Columbia University

Jan H. Kalicki
Woodrow Wilson Center

Michael Kimmage
Catholic University of America

Michael Krepon
Stimson Center

George Krol
U.S. Ambassador (ret.)

Charles Kupchan
Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs, 2014-17
Georgetown University

Cliff Kupchan
Eurasia Group

Melvyn P. Leffler
University of Virginia

William Luers
U.S. Ambassador (ret.)

Allen C. Lynch
University of Virginia

Eileen Malloy
U.S. Ambassador (ret.)

Steven Mann
U.S. Ambassador (ret.)

Jessica Mathews
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

Richard H. Matzke
Former Board Member (Chevron, PetroChina, and Lukoil)

John J. Mearsheimer
University of Chicago

Mark Medish
Senior Director for Russian, Ukrainian and Eurasian Affairs, National Security Council staff, 2000-01

Rajan Menon
City College of New York/City University of New York

Richard Miles
U.S. Ambassador (ret.)

Chris Miller
The Fletcher School

Matthew H. Murray
Columbia University

Allan Mustard
U.S. Ambassador (ret.)

Larry C. Napper
Texas A&M University

Michael Oppenheimer
New York University

Bruce Parrott
The John Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies

Peter Pettibone
Pettibone International ADR LLC

Steven Pifer
Senior Director for Russia, Ukraine and Eurasia, National Security Council staff, 1996-97
Stanford University

Paul R. Pillar
Georgetown University

Barry R. Posen
MIT

William Potter
Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey

Jon Purnell
U.S. Ambassador (ret.)

Brad Roberts
Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Nuclear and Defense Policy, 2009-13

Cynthia Roberts
Hunter College, City University of New York

Matthew Rojansky
The Kennan Institute

Joan Rohlfing
Nuclear Threat Initiative

Lynn Rusten
Senior Director for Arms Control and Nonproliferation, National Security Council staff, 2012-14
Nuclear Threat Initiative

Scott Sagan
Stanford University

Jeffrey Shafer
National Committee on American Foreign Policy

Dimitri Simes
Center for the National Interest

Christopher Smart
Senior Director for International Economics, Trade & Investment, National Security Council staff, 2013-15

Jack Snyder
Columbia University

J. Andrew Spindler
Financial Services Volunteer Corps

Adam N. Stulberg
Georgia Institute of Technology

Ronald Suny
University of Michigan

Daniel Treisman
UCLA

Anna Vassilieva
Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey

Stephen M. Walt
Harvard University

Jon Wolfsthal
Senior Director for Arms Control and Nonproliferation, National Security Council staff, 2014-17
Global Zero

Kenneth Yalowitz
U.S. Ambassador (ret.)

Stephen M. Young
U.S. Ambassador (ret.)

Donald Zagoria
National Committee on American Foreign Policy

Peter B. Zwack
Brigadier General (ret.), The Kennan Institute

by epikur37 6/8/2020, 22:30

i šta vele...

kosovo je ukraina?

by **Hektorović** 6/8/2020, 22:31

It’s Time to Rethink Our Russia Policy

America’s current mix of sanctions and diplomacy isn’t working. An open letter on how to reconsider our approach to Putin—and whoever comes next.

◦ The imperative to restore U.S.-Russian leadership in managing a nuclear world made more dangerous by destabilizing technologies, shifting attitudes toward the use of nuclear weapons, discarded nuclear agreements and new tension-filled nuclear relationships. That means extending the New START Treaty and swiftly moving to a next phase of arms control to strengthen nuclear stability, carefully adjusted to a world of multiple nuclear actors.
◦ The imperative to make safer and more stable the military standoff that cuts across Europe’s most unstable regions, from the Baltic to the Black Sea, working vigorously to preserve existing constraints, such as the Open Skies Treaty—now under challenge—and the Vienna Document 2011, and creating new confidence-building measures.
• The success of U.S.-China policy will in no small measure depend on whether the state of U.S.-Russia relations permits three-way cooperation on critical issues. Our current policies reinforce Russia’s readiness to align with the least constructive aspects of China’s U.S. policy. Moving the needle in the opposite direction will not be easy, but should be our objective.
• On salient issues where U.S. and Russian interests are in genuine conflict, such as Ukraine and Syria, the U.S. should remain firm on principles shared with our allies and critical to a fair outcome. More attention, however, should be paid to the cumulative effect that measured and phased steps forward can have on the overall relationship, and in turn the opportunity an improving relationship creates for further steps forward.
• While sanctions should be a part of our Russia policy, they should be judiciously targeted and used in conjunction with other elements of national power, especially diplomacy. The steady accumulation of congressionally mandated sanctions as punishment for Russian actions in Crimea and eastern Ukraine, the poisoning in Salisbury, violations of the INF treaty and election meddling reduces any incentive Moscow might have to change course since it considers those sanctions permanent. We need to restore flexibility to our sanctions regime, focusing on targeted sanctions that can be eased quickly in exchange for Russian steps that advance negotiations toward acceptable resolutions of outstanding conflicts, including a demonstrable Russian effort to cease interference in our electoral process. Doing so will require political will on the part of both the White House and the Congress.

by Leviathan2 6/8/2020, 22:32

mogu se jebat
rusi su jedared popusili njihovu ljubaznost i sumnjam da ce i drugi put

by Leviathan2 6/8/2020, 22:33

a kad malo bolje procitam, oni predlazu isto al samo drugacije umotano
jbte, debili bljat

by epikur37 6/8/2020, 22:34

Leviathan2 wrote:mogu se jebat
rusi su jedared popusili njihovu ljubaznost i sumnjam da ce i drugi put

bili bi preglupi, ameri igraju na konfrontaciju rusije i kine

di si levi što ima u međurječju

by **Hektorović** 6/8/2020, 22:34

epikur37 wrote:i šta vele...

kosovo je ukraina?

Par stvari

Nakon Putina očekiuju Putina, pa čak možda i gore. Demokratski izbori neće ništa promjeniti, jednostavno takav je stav večine u Rusiji.

Sankcije očitio ne djeluju, štoviše okreću Rusiju ka Kini i smanjuju njenu ovisnost o zapadu, i s time diplomatski utjecaj zapada.

Obnoviti diplomaciju jer Rusija može uništiti SAD, a Kina je prava prijetnja za zapad.

by epikur37 6/8/2020, 22:37

Hektorović wrote:
epikur37 wrote:i šta vele...

kosovo je ukraina?

Par stvari

Nakon Putina očekiuju Putina, pa čak možda i gore. Demokratski izbori neće ništa promjeniti, jednostavno takav je stav večine u Rusiji.

Sankcije očitio ne djeluju, štoviše okreću Rusiju ka Kini i smanjuju njenu ovisnost o zapadu, i s time diplomatski utjecaj zapada.

Obnoviti diplomaciju jer Rusija može uništiti SAD, a Kina je prava prijetnja za zapad.

Uglavnom znači priznaju da su popušili dosadašpnju strategiju i kmeče.

by epikur37 6/8/2020, 22:39

No Rusija zna za njihovu prijetvornost i neće se nasloniti na to ...ili za minimum suradnej može tražiti debele koncesije.

Na primjer sjeverni pol, pola Balkana uključivo herceg_srpsku, glavnu ulogu na bliskom istoku i jasno vraćanje ukrajine u zonu interesa.

sjeverni tok da ne spominjem

by **Hektorović** 6/8/2020, 22:43

Ultimately, the reality is that Russia, under Vladimir Putin, operates within a strategic framework deeply rooted in nationalist traditions that resonate with elites and the public alike. An eventual successor, even one more democratically inclined, will likely operate within this same framework. Premising U.S. policy on the assumption that we can and must change that framework is misguided. Likewise, we would be unwise to think that we have no choice but to stick with current policy. We must deal with Russia as it is, not as we wish it to be, fully utilizing our strengths but open to diplomacy. So focused, we can both cope with the challenge that Russia poses and strive to put the relationship on a more constructive path. Failure to do so carries too high a price.

by **Hektorović** 6/8/2020, 22:44

• It makes no sense for two countries with the power to destroy each other and, in 30 minutes, to end civilization as we know it to lack fully functioning diplomatic relations. In the wake of the Ukrainian crisis, key governmental contacts were severed, consulates shuttered and embassy staff drastically reduced. Too often we wrongly consider diplomatic contacts as a reward for good behavior, but they are about promoting our interests and delivering tough messages. We need them as a matter of essential security to minimize the misperceptions and miscalculations that can lead to unwanted war. Restoring normal diplomatic contacts should be a top priority for the White House and supported by the Congress.
• Our strategic posture should be that which served us well during the Cold War: a balanced commitment to deterrence and détente. Thus, while maintaining our defense, we should also engage Russia in a serious and sustained strategic dialogue that addresses the deeper sources of mistrust and hostility and at the same time focuses on the large and urgent security challenges facing both countries:

by **Hektorović** 6/8/2020, 22:45

U.S.-Russia relations are at a dangerous dead end that threatens the U.S. national interest. The risk of a military confrontation that could go nuclear is again real. We are drifting toward a fraught nuclear arms race, with our foreign-policy arsenal reduced mainly to reactions, sanctions, public shaming and congressional resolutions. The global Covid-19 pandemic and the resulting serious worldwide economic decline, rather than fostering cooperation, have only reinforced the current downward trajectory.
Meanwhile, the great challenges to peace and our well-being that demand U.S.-Russia cooperation, including the existential threats of nuclear war and climate change, go unattended. Because the stakes are so high, both in the dangers they entail and the costs they contain, we believe that a careful, dispassionate analysis and change of our current course are imperative.

We go into this open-eyed. Russia complicates, even thwarts, our actions, especially along its extended periphery in Europe and Asia. It has seized territory in Ukraine and Georgia. It challenges our role as a global leader and the world order we helped build. It interferes in our domestic politics to exacerbate divisions and tarnish our democratic reputation. At best, our relations will remain a mix of competition and cooperation. The policy challenge will be to strike the most beneficial and safest balance between the two. To this end, we offer six broad prescriptions for U.S. policy.

by epikur37 6/8/2020, 22:47

Hektorović wrote:Ultimately, the [b][u]reality is that Russia, under Vladimir Putin, operates within a strategic framework deeply rooted in nationalist traditions that resonate with elites and the public alike.

užas...a američke pederske politike, multikulti i individualizam....sve manje

:)

poplava

by epikur37 6/8/2020, 22:48

Majdan...Potrošenko...ovo -ono?

by Leviathan2 6/8/2020, 22:51

epikur37 wrote:
Leviathan2 wrote:mogu se jebat
rusi su jedared popusili njihovu ljubaznost i sumnjam da ce i drugi put

bili bi preglupi, ameri igraju na konfrontaciju rusije i kine

di si levi što ima u međurječju

oj epi
u medjurjecju sve 5, 42 prinove, bilo par plemenskih slavlja, zemlja rodila
dis ljepse
kak je kod tebe, poso , familija, sve ok?

by epikur37 6/8/2020, 22:55

Leviathan2 wrote:
epikur37 wrote:
Leviathan2 wrote:mogu se jebat
rusi su jedared popusili njihovu ljubaznost i sumnjam da ce i drugi put

bili bi preglupi, ameri igraju na konfrontaciju rusije i kine

di si levi što ima u međurječju
oj epi
u medjurjecju sve 5, 42 prinove, bilo par plemenskih slavlja, zemlja rodila
dis ljepse
kak je kod tebe, poso , familija, sve ok?

Lipo pleme se širi :)

Feštice. Kako su ti žene, jel grintaju šta?

Dobra je zemlja ove godine...meni isto sve rodilo čak i lubenice....ići će do 10 kila.

Posla uvijek ima, klinci malo stasali pa lakše.

U glavnom drogiram se preko ljeta a a na jesen trčim.

by Leviathan2 6/8/2020, 22:57

epikur37 wrote:
Hektorović wrote:Ultimately, the [b][u]reality is that Russia, under Vladimir Putin, operates within a strategic framework deeply rooted in nationalist traditions that resonate with elites and the public alike.

užas...a američke pederske politike, multikulti i individualizam....sve manje

:)

poplava

i poslije vladimira bit ce vladimir
al mnogo zesci
jebace ih rusija ko sanske koze, golim okom se vidi kako se formiraju debeli temelji buduce ruske imperije
a oni se imaju zasto brinut
rusi uvojek dojdu po svoje, sledeci korak aljaska, djelovi ukrajine koje su poklonili komunist, dio estonije latvije kazahstana

by mentalitet 6/8/2020, 23:00

Leviathan2 wrote:mogu se jebat
rusi su jedared popusili njihovu ljubaznost i sumnjam da ce i drugi put

Glavni pokretachi mrznje prema rusima su Hazari .Nisu zaboravili poraz u ratu sa ruskim carem koji ih je protjerao i zauzeo zemlju kojom su vladali..Neda mi se guglati..Blumberg i ostala bratija ..Zamisli 83 kongremena u USA imaju dvojno drzavljanstvo ,americhko i izraelsko...Eto recimo ..ima li Pupovac dvojno drzavljanstvo?Ja vjerujem da nema,,mada ne iskljuchujem i tu mogucnost...Obichni ameri ne mrze ruse,,uvjerio se tisuce puta,,pochinjajuci prichu kako su rusi zlochesti i kako ih treba sve potamaniti::))

by Leviathan2 6/8/2020, 23:04

epikur37 wrote:
Leviathan2 wrote:
epikur37 wrote:
Leviathan2 wrote:mogu se jebat
rusi su jedared popusili njihovu ljubaznost i sumnjam da ce i drugi put

bili bi preglupi, ameri igraju na konfrontaciju rusije i kine

di si levi što ima u međurječju
oj epi
u medjurjecju sve 5, 42 prinove, bilo par plemenskih slavlja, zemlja rodila
dis ljepse
kak je kod tebe, poso , familija, sve ok?

Lipo pleme se širi :)

Feštice. Kako su ti žene, jel grintaju šta?

Dobra je zemlja ove godine...meni isto sve rodilo čak i lubenice....ići će do 10 kila.

Posla uvijek ima, klinci malo stasali pa lakše.

U glavnom drogiram se preko ljeta a a na jesen trčim.

pa cilj ej da se pleme prosiri, skoro smo bili nestali :)
eo ja 2 praunuka vec
a feste, ma prilika da se skupimo i vidimo, popijemo pojedemo i poveselimo
zene ko zene, jbte ne da grintaju nego se osjecam ko klinac, jesi dosta jeo, oces ovi, joj ne sjedi na zelji nahladices se, itd itd, jbte
cekam da ilon mask napravi brod za mars, da se javim ko dobrovoljac bez da one znaju inace bi posle i one
ostavio sam ih u selu, nek ubiru plodove, peku pekmeze, sad malo mira al sledeci tjedan idem nazad, imam neko betoniranje
psmtr, mjesalica na poslu pa mjesalica doma

by Leviathan2 6/8/2020, 23:06

mentalitet wrote:
Leviathan2 wrote:mogu se jebat
rusi su jedared popusili njihovu ljubaznost i sumnjam da ce i drugi put

Glavni pokretachi mrznje prema rusima su Hazari .Nisu zaboravili poraz u ratu sa ruskim carem koji ih je protjerao i zauzeo zemlju kojom su vladali..Neda mi se guglati..Blumberg i ostala bratija ..Zamisli 83 kongremena u USA imaju dvojno drzavljanstvo ,americhko i izraelsko...Eto recimo ..ima li Pupovac dvojno drzavljanstvo?Ja vjerujem da nema,,mada ne iskljuchujem i tu mogucnost...Obichni ameri ne mrze ruse,,uvjerio se tisuce puta,,pochinjajuci prichu kako su rusi zlochesti i kako ih treba sve potamaniti::))

hazari su najmanji problem, najveci neprijatelj rusije je britanska kruna, vec vjekovimai sad koriste americku polugu za pritisak na ruse
pokvareno je to na incestoidnom otoku do kostiju

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