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EU je od samog početka stvoren da postane federalna superdržava
by Kermit 29/11/2015, 12:56
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12018877/The-truth-how-a-secretive-elite-created-the-EU-to-build-a-world-government.html
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Re: EU je od samog početka stvoren da postane federalna superdržava
by Kermit 29/11/2015, 12:56
How a secretive elite created the EU to build a world government
Harold Macmillan with Edward Heath (right) in 1963 Photo: PA
By Prof Alan Sked
8:30AM GMT 27 Nov 2015
As the debate over the forthcoming EU referendum gears up, it would be wise perhaps to remember how Britain was led into membership in the first place. It seems to me that most people have little idea why one of the victors of the Second World War should have become almost desperate to join this "club". That's a shame, because answering that question is key to understanding why the EU has gone so wrong.
Most students seem to think that Britain was in dire economic straits, and that the European Economic Community – as it was then called – provided an economic engine which could revitalise our economy. Others seem to believe that after the Second World War Britain needed to recast her geopolitical position away from empire, and towards a more realistic one at the heart of Europe. Neither of these arguments, however, makes any sense at all.
Voters in Britain's referendum need to understand that the European Union was about building a federal superstate from day one
Harold Macmillan with Edward Heath (right) in 1963 Photo: PA
By Prof Alan Sked
8:30AM GMT 27 Nov 2015
As the debate over the forthcoming EU referendum gears up, it would be wise perhaps to remember how Britain was led into membership in the first place. It seems to me that most people have little idea why one of the victors of the Second World War should have become almost desperate to join this "club". That's a shame, because answering that question is key to understanding why the EU has gone so wrong.
Most students seem to think that Britain was in dire economic straits, and that the European Economic Community – as it was then called – provided an economic engine which could revitalise our economy. Others seem to believe that after the Second World War Britain needed to recast her geopolitical position away from empire, and towards a more realistic one at the heart of Europe. Neither of these arguments, however, makes any sense at all.
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Re: EU je od samog početka stvoren da postane federalna superdržava
by Kermit 29/11/2015, 12:57
The EEC in the 1960s and 1970s was in no position to regenerate anyone’s economy. It spent most of its meagre resources on agriculture and fisheries and had no means or policies to generate economic growth.
When growth did happen, it did not come from the EU. From Ludwig Erhard's supply-side reforms in West Germany in 1948 toThatcher's privatisation of nationalised industry in the Eighties, European growth came from reforms introduced by individual countries which were were copied elsewhere. EU policy has always been either irrelevant or positively detrimental (as was the case with the euro).
Nor did British growth ever really lag behind Europe's. Sometimes it surged ahead. In the 1950s Western Europe had a growth rate of 3.5 per cent; in the 1960s, it was 4.5 per cent. But in 1959, when Harold Macmillan took office, the real annual growth rate of British GDP, according to the Office of National Statistics, was almost 6 per cent. It was again almost 6 per cent when de Gaulle vetoed our first application to join the EEC in 1963.
In 1973, when we entered the EEC, our annual national growth rate in real terms was a record 7.4 per cent. The present Chancellor would die for such figures. So the economic basket-case argument doesn’t work.
What about geopolitics? What argument in the cold light of hindsight could have been so compelling as to make us kick our Second-World-War Commonwealth allies in the teeth to join a combination of Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, France, Germany and Italy?
Four of these countries held no international weight whatsoever. Germany was occupied and divided. France, meanwhile, had lost one colonial war in Vietnam and another in Algeria. De Gaulle had come to power to save the country from civil war. Most realists must surely have regarded these states as a bunch of losers. De Gaulle, himself a supreme realist, pointed out that Britain had democratic political institutions, world trade links, cheap food from the Commonwealth, and was a global power. Why would it want to enter the EEC?
The answer is that Harold Macmillan and his closest advisers were part of an intellectual tradition that saw the salvation of the world in some form of world government based on regional federations. He was also a close acquaintance of Jean Monnet, who believed the same. It was therefore Macmillan who became the representative of the European federalist movement in the British cabinet.
In a speech in the House of Commons he even advocated a European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) before the real thing had been announced. He later arranged for a Treaty of Association to be signed between the UK and the ECSC, and it was he who ensured that a British representative was sent to the Brussels negotiations following the Messina Conference, which gave birth to the EEC.
In the late 1950s he pushed negotiations concerning a European Free Trade Association towards membership of the EEC. Then, when General de Gaulle began to turn the EEC into a less federalist body, he took the risk of submitting a full British membership application in the hope of frustrating Gaullist ambitions.
His aim, in alliance with US and European proponents of a federalist world order, was to frustrate the emerging Franco-German alliance which was seen as one of French and German nationalism.
The French statesman Jean Monnet, (1888 - 1979), who in 1956 was appointed president of the Action Committee for the United States of Europe
Monnet met secretly with Heath and Macmillan on innumerable occasions to facilitate British entry. Indeed, he was informed before the British Parliament of the terms in which the British approach to Europe would be framed.
Despite advice from the Lord Chancellor, Lord Kilmuir, that membership would mean the end of British parliamentary sovereignty, Macmillan deliberately misled the House of Commons — and practically everyone else, from Commonwealth statesmen to cabinet colleagues and the public — that merely minor commercial negotiations were involved. He even tried to deceive de Gaulle that he was an anti-federalist and a close friend who would arrange for France, like Britain, to receive Polaris missiles from the Americans. De Gaulle saw completely through him and vetoed the British bid to enter.
Macmillan left Edward Heath to take matters forward, and Heath, along with Douglas Hurd, arranged — according to the Monnet papers — for the Tory Party to become a (secret) corporate member of Monnet’s Action Committee for a United States of Europe.
According to Monnet’s chief aide and biographer, Francois Duchene, both the Labour and Liberal Parties later did the same. Meanwhile the Earl of Gosford, one of Macmillan’s foreign policy ministers in the House of Lords, actually informed the House that the aim of the government’s foreign policy was world government.
Monnet’s Action Committee was also given financial backing by the CIA and the US State Department. The Anglo-American establishment was now committed to the creation of a federal United States of Europe.
Today, this is still the case. Powerful international lobbies are already at work attempting to prove that any return to democratic self-government on the part of Britain will spell doom. American officials have already been primed to state that such a Britain would be excluded from any free trade deal with the USA and that the world needs the TTIP trade treaty which is predicated on the survival of the EU.
Fortunately, Republican candidates in the USA are becoming Eurosceptics and magazines there like The National Interestare publishing the case for Brexit. The international coalition behind Macmillan and Heath will find things a lot more difficult this time round — especially given the obvious difficulties of the Eurozone, the failure of EU migration policy and the lack of any coherent EU security policy.
Most importantly, having been fooled once, the British public will be much more difficult to fool again.
When growth did happen, it did not come from the EU. From Ludwig Erhard's supply-side reforms in West Germany in 1948 toThatcher's privatisation of nationalised industry in the Eighties, European growth came from reforms introduced by individual countries which were were copied elsewhere. EU policy has always been either irrelevant or positively detrimental (as was the case with the euro).
Nor did British growth ever really lag behind Europe's. Sometimes it surged ahead. In the 1950s Western Europe had a growth rate of 3.5 per cent; in the 1960s, it was 4.5 per cent. But in 1959, when Harold Macmillan took office, the real annual growth rate of British GDP, according to the Office of National Statistics, was almost 6 per cent. It was again almost 6 per cent when de Gaulle vetoed our first application to join the EEC in 1963.
In 1973, when we entered the EEC, our annual national growth rate in real terms was a record 7.4 per cent. The present Chancellor would die for such figures. So the economic basket-case argument doesn’t work.
What about geopolitics? What argument in the cold light of hindsight could have been so compelling as to make us kick our Second-World-War Commonwealth allies in the teeth to join a combination of Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, France, Germany and Italy?
Four of these countries held no international weight whatsoever. Germany was occupied and divided. France, meanwhile, had lost one colonial war in Vietnam and another in Algeria. De Gaulle had come to power to save the country from civil war. Most realists must surely have regarded these states as a bunch of losers. De Gaulle, himself a supreme realist, pointed out that Britain had democratic political institutions, world trade links, cheap food from the Commonwealth, and was a global power. Why would it want to enter the EEC?
The answer is that Harold Macmillan and his closest advisers were part of an intellectual tradition that saw the salvation of the world in some form of world government based on regional federations. He was also a close acquaintance of Jean Monnet, who believed the same. It was therefore Macmillan who became the representative of the European federalist movement in the British cabinet.
In a speech in the House of Commons he even advocated a European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) before the real thing had been announced. He later arranged for a Treaty of Association to be signed between the UK and the ECSC, and it was he who ensured that a British representative was sent to the Brussels negotiations following the Messina Conference, which gave birth to the EEC.
In the late 1950s he pushed negotiations concerning a European Free Trade Association towards membership of the EEC. Then, when General de Gaulle began to turn the EEC into a less federalist body, he took the risk of submitting a full British membership application in the hope of frustrating Gaullist ambitions.
His aim, in alliance with US and European proponents of a federalist world order, was to frustrate the emerging Franco-German alliance which was seen as one of French and German nationalism.
The French statesman Jean Monnet, (1888 - 1979), who in 1956 was appointed president of the Action Committee for the United States of Europe
Monnet met secretly with Heath and Macmillan on innumerable occasions to facilitate British entry. Indeed, he was informed before the British Parliament of the terms in which the British approach to Europe would be framed.
Despite advice from the Lord Chancellor, Lord Kilmuir, that membership would mean the end of British parliamentary sovereignty, Macmillan deliberately misled the House of Commons — and practically everyone else, from Commonwealth statesmen to cabinet colleagues and the public — that merely minor commercial negotiations were involved. He even tried to deceive de Gaulle that he was an anti-federalist and a close friend who would arrange for France, like Britain, to receive Polaris missiles from the Americans. De Gaulle saw completely through him and vetoed the British bid to enter.
Macmillan left Edward Heath to take matters forward, and Heath, along with Douglas Hurd, arranged — according to the Monnet papers — for the Tory Party to become a (secret) corporate member of Monnet’s Action Committee for a United States of Europe.
According to Monnet’s chief aide and biographer, Francois Duchene, both the Labour and Liberal Parties later did the same. Meanwhile the Earl of Gosford, one of Macmillan’s foreign policy ministers in the House of Lords, actually informed the House that the aim of the government’s foreign policy was world government.
Monnet’s Action Committee was also given financial backing by the CIA and the US State Department. The Anglo-American establishment was now committed to the creation of a federal United States of Europe.
Today, this is still the case. Powerful international lobbies are already at work attempting to prove that any return to democratic self-government on the part of Britain will spell doom. American officials have already been primed to state that such a Britain would be excluded from any free trade deal with the USA and that the world needs the TTIP trade treaty which is predicated on the survival of the EU.
Fortunately, Republican candidates in the USA are becoming Eurosceptics and magazines there like The National Interestare publishing the case for Brexit. The international coalition behind Macmillan and Heath will find things a lot more difficult this time round — especially given the obvious difficulties of the Eurozone, the failure of EU migration policy and the lack of any coherent EU security policy.
Most importantly, having been fooled once, the British public will be much more difficult to fool again.
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2014-04-17
Re: EU je od samog početka stvoren da postane federalna superdržava
by Guest 29/11/2015, 12:59
Socijalističke EuroArapske države, no thx
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Re: EU je od samog početka stvoren da postane federalna superdržava
by Kermit 29/11/2015, 13:08
hahaha Đoda ne ide to tako, pa to je zapravo nevidljiva ruka i veliko slobodno tržište, naravno bez bijelaca jer su svoju ulogu odradili...EmberSpirit wrote:Socijalističke EuroArapske države, no thx
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Re: EU je od samog početka stvoren da postane federalna superdržava
by Kermit 29/11/2015, 13:10
Richard Nikolaus Eijiro, Count of Coudenhove-Kalergi[1] (November 16, 1894 – July 27, 1972) was an Austrian-Japanese politician, philosopher and count ofCoudenhove-Kalergi. A pioneer of European integration,
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In his book Praktischer Idealismus (Practical Idealism), he wrote:[42]
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In his book Praktischer Idealismus (Practical Idealism), he wrote:[42]
| [size=40]“[/size] | The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals. |
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Re: EU je od samog početka stvoren da postane federalna superdržava
by Guest 29/11/2015, 13:13
asilovski wrote:EU je od samog početka stvoren da postane federalna superdržava
No shit Sherlock.
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Re: EU je od samog početka stvoren da postane federalna superdržava
by gargamel0101 29/11/2015, 13:27
Užas koji mi nismo znali.:D
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Re: EU je od samog početka stvoren da postane federalna superdržava
by neva 29/11/2015, 14:10
htjelo se u Europi stvoriti federalnu superdržavu kako bi se spriječila dominacija i kontrola franko-germanske alijanse, pa se stvorila EU pod nadzorom i dominacijom američko-britanskih interesa? najs, blago Europljanima :D
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Re: EU je od samog početka stvoren da postane federalna superdržava
by Guest 29/11/2015, 14:19
r_nevjesta wrote:htjelo se u Europi stvoriti federalnu superdržavu kako bi se spriječila dominacija i kontrola franko-germanske alijanse
ali začetnici ideje o "paneuropi" koja je starija od ideje EU mislim da su baš iz germanskih zemlja, tj. potomci nekadašnje elite, plemstva
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Re: EU je od samog početka stvoren da postane federalna superdržava
by Guest 29/11/2015, 14:25
znači htjeli su sprječiti sami sebe od dominacije?r_nevjesta wrote:da, i?
ili su planirali dominirati novonastalom tvorevinom...
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Re: EU je od samog početka stvoren da postane federalna superdržava
by neva 29/11/2015, 14:29
sami sebe sigurno nisu htjeli spriječiti, no ostaje pitanje čija bi dominacija bila bolja za Europu i njezine interese, onih koji su i sami dio 'mainlanda' ili onih koji nisu, i kojima bi tako posložena Europa ustvari bila jaka globalna konkurencija
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Re: EU je od samog početka stvoren da postane federalna superdržava
by Guest 29/11/2015, 14:33
Njemačko plemstvo i intelektualnu elitu su eliminirali nacisti... učinili Britancima i Amerima uslugu u lakšem podjarmljivanju Njemačke.deda wrote:r_nevjesta wrote:htjelo se u Europi stvoriti federalnu superdržavu kako bi se spriječila dominacija i kontrola franko-germanske alijanse
ali začetnici ideje o "paneuropi" koja je starija od ideje EU mislim da su baš iz germanskih zemlja, tj. potomci nekadašnje elite, plemstva
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Re: EU je od samog početka stvoren da postane federalna superdržava
by Kermit 29/11/2015, 15:07
dobro tebe da posere komšinica ne bi to osvjestio par dana, tako da...gargamel0101 wrote:Užas koji mi nismo znali.:D
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Re: EU je od samog početka stvoren da postane federalna superdržava
by Kermit 29/11/2015, 15:13
Upravo, međutim njaviše plemstvo je posve odvojeno od naroda, nacija, država to je svijet za sebe, isto vrijedi za kapitalce kao Warburg, DuPont, Rokfeler, Astor...Starhemberg wrote:Njemačko plemstvo i intelektualnu elitu su eliminirali nacisti... učinili Britancima i Amerima uslugu u lakšem podjarmljivanju Njemačke.deda wrote:r_nevjesta wrote:htjelo se u Europi stvoriti federalnu superdržavu kako bi se spriječila dominacija i kontrola franko-germanske alijanse
ali začetnici ideje o "paneuropi" koja je starija od ideje EU mislim da su baš iz germanskih zemlja, tj. potomci nekadašnje elite, plemstva
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Re: EU je od samog početka stvoren da postane federalna superdržava
by Guest 29/11/2015, 15:17
Visoko plemstvo je u pravilu bilo degenerirano i odnarođeno, pruski junkeri su bili recimo nešto malo drugačije...asilovski wrote:Upravo, međutim njaviše plemstvo je posve odvojeno od naroda, nacija, država to je svijet za sebe, isto vrijedi za kapitalce kao Warburg, DuPont, Rokfeler, Astor...Starhemberg wrote:Njemačko plemstvo i intelektualnu elitu su eliminirali nacisti... učinili Britancima i Amerima uslugu u lakšem podjarmljivanju Njemačke.deda wrote:r_nevjesta wrote:htjelo se u Europi stvoriti federalnu superdržavu kako bi se spriječila dominacija i kontrola franko-germanske alijanse
ali začetnici ideje o "paneuropi" koja je starija od ideje EU mislim da su baš iz germanskih zemlja, tj. potomci nekadašnje elite, plemstva
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Re: EU je od samog početka stvoren da postane federalna superdržava
by Kermit 29/11/2015, 15:21
To je niže plemstvo, a tu je ogromna razlika, pa vidi samo ovoga Kaliergia neko bizantsko-austrijko-venecijansko visoko plemstvo lik otvoreno predlaže uništenje bijelačke rase...Starhemberg wrote:Visoko plemstvo je u pravilu bilo degenerirano i odnarođeno, pruski junkeri su bili recimo nešto malo drugačije...asilovski wrote:Upravo, međutim njaviše plemstvo je posve odvojeno od naroda, nacija, država to je svijet za sebe, isto vrijedi za kapitalce kao Warburg, DuPont, Rokfeler, Astor...Starhemberg wrote:Njemačko plemstvo i intelektualnu elitu su eliminirali nacisti... učinili Britancima i Amerima uslugu u lakšem podjarmljivanju Njemačke.deda wrote:r_nevjesta wrote:htjelo se u Europi stvoriti federalnu superdržavu kako bi se spriječila dominacija i kontrola franko-germanske alijanse
ali začetnici ideje o "paneuropi" koja je starija od ideje EU mislim da su baš iz germanskih zemlja, tj. potomci nekadašnje elite, plemstva
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Re: EU je od samog početka stvoren da postane federalna superdržava
by Guest 29/11/2015, 15:23
Pa da, zato sam njih i dao kao primjer, ljudi vezani uz selo, proizvodnju, u odiru s običnim narodom... Ovi hemofiličari nisu vrijedni spomena.asilovski wrote:To je niže plemstvo, a tu je ogromna razlika, pa vidi samo ovoga Kaliergia neko bizantsko-austrijko-venecijansko visoko plemstvo lik otvoreno predlaže uništenje bijelačke rase...Starhemberg wrote:Visoko plemstvo je u pravilu bilo degenerirano i odnarođeno, pruski junkeri su bili recimo nešto malo drugačije...asilovski wrote:Upravo, međutim njaviše plemstvo je posve odvojeno od naroda, nacija, država to je svijet za sebe, isto vrijedi za kapitalce kao Warburg, DuPont, Rokfeler, Astor...Starhemberg wrote:Njemačko plemstvo i intelektualnu elitu su eliminirali nacisti... učinili Britancima i Amerima uslugu u lakšem podjarmljivanju Njemačke.deda wrote:r_nevjesta wrote:htjelo se u Europi stvoriti federalnu superdržavu kako bi se spriječila dominacija i kontrola franko-germanske alijanse
ali začetnici ideje o "paneuropi" koja je starija od ideje EU mislim da su baš iz germanskih zemlja, tj. potomci nekadašnje elite, plemstva
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Re: EU je od samog početka stvoren da postane federalna superdržava
by kaya 29/11/2015, 16:35
Glupo je reci htjeli su od početka....Od početka su se ciljevi mijenjali, poslje WW2 htjelo se pomoći Njemačkoj da se uklopi a i iz ekonomskih razloga pa se stvorila Zajednica za čelik i ugljen između njemačke i francuske , to je početak. Pa zajednica za atomsku energiju. Pa EEZ iz gospodarskih razloga, kako bi bili konkurentniji Americi, pa kao brana od komunizma. Kada je komunizam pao uključile su se istočnoeuropske zemlje. U jednom momentu je htjela postati nadrzava i donjeti ustav ali to je propalo jer je europskim državama na prvom mjestu njihova država . Mijenja se, ne postoji urota od početka. Osim za zrinku k i losu.
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